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Bridge from Scotland to Northern Ireland

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,364 ✭✭✭✭ Del.Monte


    Silly Season nonsense. What advantage would it bring when compared to existing ferry services? It's just another crackpot Unionist idea.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭ JohnC.


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Silly Season nonsense. What advantage would it bring when compared to existing ferry services? It's just another crackpot Unionist idea.

    Setting aside the likelihood of it happening, surely it would carry more traffic, and faster, than a ferry?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,364 ✭✭✭✭ Del.Monte


    JohnC. wrote: »
    Setting aside the likelihood of it happening, surely it would carry more traffic, and faster, than a ferry?

    Depends on the speed limit. Why would it carry more traffic - where would this appear out of? It's just more kite flying crap like Ulster Scots and the money for the bridge would probably end up lining the usual pockets.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    Thing is the ferry plunks you right close to Liverpool, Manchester, etc.

    Dublin to Liverpool by Ferry, about 5 hours, by bridge over 7 hours.
    Dublin to London by Ferry, about 7h 40 min, by bridge, 10 hours.

    And the thing to remember is that on the Ferry you can relax and chill out, no need to actually drive that part.

    I suppose it could be useful if you were heading to Glasgow or Edinburgh.

    But then you have flying by Ryanair in about 30 minutes and €50!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭ Stephen15


    bk wrote: »
    Thing is the ferry plunks you right close to Liverpool, Manchester, etc.

    Dublin to Liverpool by Ferry, about 5 hours, by bridge over 7 hours.
    Dublin to London by Ferry, about 7h 40 min, by bridge, 10 hours.

    And the thing to remember is that on the Ferry you can relax and chill out, no need to actually drive that part.

    I suppose it could be useful if you were heading to Glasgow or Edinburgh.

    But then you have flying by Ryanair in about 30 minutes and €50!

    The thing is this is a project aimed at people living in Northern Ireland who are going Scotland or vice versa not people from the Republic who want to go to England. Also there still are ferries going from other parts of Denmark to Sweden despite there being because it's quicker depending on where you are going to in Sweden/Denmark so if a bridge was to be built it likely wouldn't have effect on ferry services from other parts of Ireland the only ferries that would be effected would be ones going from NI to Scotland.

    Most people going from The ROI to Scotland by car would go to Belfast and then get the ferry to Stranraer rather than getting a ferry to Wales and then driving to Scotland. But IMO unless your going to Holyhead, Fishguard or Stranraer towns then flying is 99% of the time the quicker and more pleasant option.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭ Stephen15


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Silly Season nonsense. What advantage would it bring when compared to existing ferry services? It's just another crackpot Unionist idea.

    I agree such a bridge would be quicker then a ferry as direct road connections nearly always are and it would probably carry more but on cost alone this project would be unviable as it would cost billions but the demand for it wouldn't be big enough to justify it's cost.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭ CarlosHarpic


    How would they overcome the rail gauge differences?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,364 ✭✭✭✭ Del.Monte


    How would they overcome the rail gauge differences?

    Don't be picky, they probably don't know there's any difference. More likely if the ridiculous idea ever got approved - which it won't - then the rail aspect of it would fade away fast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,776 ✭✭✭✭ LXFlyer


    The slight issue of how to overcome the massive amount of munitions dumped in Beaufort Dyke (approximately 1 million tons), along with several tons of radioactive waste as well, will, I suspect, cast this DUP notion of fantasy into oblivion.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    The thing is this is a project aimed at people living in Northern Ireland who are going Scotland or vice versa not people from the Republic who want to go to England.

    The question is how many people would want to go between Northern Ireland and Scotland?

    Enough to justify 15 billion? I seriously doubt it.

    You could build 6 separate Metro lines in Dublin for that sort of money!! :eek:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,357 ✭✭✭✭ loyatemu


    bk wrote: »
    You could build 6 separate Metro lines in Dublin for that sort of money!! :eek:

    why would the DUP want to do that? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭ wakka12


    Scandinavian countries have massive bridges spanning huge distances between fjords and islands so I don't buy the idea that it is not possible. What it be worth it though? It'll lead into a pretty rural area of western scotland and I think most people from the republic of ireland would find it much easier to just fly to London or Edinburgh/Glasgow or take a boat to holyhead than go all the way up north and then into western scotland.

    It could be a good investment for northerners and glaswegians if they wanted to strengthen economic ties between the two places though


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    Loyalist delusions. There's a gaping void of DEEP Dark water between Antrim and Scotland. They don't even want to have a regular motorway to Dublin ffs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭ nordydan


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Loyalist delusions. There's a gaping void of DEEP Dark water between Antrim and Scotland. They don't even want to have a regular motorway to Dublin ffs.

    This has been a regular call by Gregory Campbell (DUP). He doesnt even want to build proper roads in his own county (!), but wants this bridge (which would also require 100km of a road ugrade in Scotland to be feaible).

    Awaiting the EIA with much anticipation... :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,855 ✭✭✭✭ Alun


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Scandinavian countries have massive bridges spanning huge distances between fjords and islands so I don't buy the idea that it is not possible.
    Much shallower waters in those parts I believe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭ FredFunk


    Nimbies licking their lips.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭ Donegal Storm


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Scandinavian countries have massive bridges spanning huge distances between fjords and islands so I don't buy the idea that it is not possible.

    Even leaving aside the obvious issue of cost, it'd be one of the biggest engineering undertakings in history. I don't know the depth of the sea around there but I'd assume its far too deep for a standard box girder bridge, therefore you'd need to create several artificial islands and link them with 20 of the longest suspension bridges on the planet.

    The longest bridge spanning a fjord in Norway is 1.3km long, the distance from Larne to Portpatrick is over 35km...

    Edit: Actually, just checking the sea depth, it's up to 300 metres deep along there so even creating artificial islands would be a massive engineering project in itself. And to make things even better, the British have kindly filled it with nuclear waste and over a million tonnes of munitions!


  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭ md23040


    over a million tonnes of munitions!

    That's correct - after WW2 all the mutions were dumped along the straits of Northern Ireland and Scotland and there's serious concern about the erosion retardation.

    This is a crackpot idea rejected in the 1970s for this reason. Seen same article taking about bridge linking Dublin to the Isle of Man then onto England. Another pipe dream - but then again imagine we didn't sink €64 billion into the banks. We could have had a six lane motorway built over this route without a toll and still have plenty of change. Imagine how amazing that would be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭ wakka12


    md23040 wrote: »
    That's correct - after WW2 all the mutions were dumped along the straits of Northern Ireland and Scotland and there's serious concern about the erosion retardation.

    This is a crackpot idea rejected in the 1970s for this reason. Seen same article taking about bridge linking Dublin to the Isle of Man then onto England. Another pipe dream - but then again imagine we didn't sink €64 billion into the banks. We could have had a six lane motorway built over this route without a toll and still have plenty of change. Imagine how amazing that would be.

    Why would a bridge be built to isle of man and then england when holyhead is closer and would make a more direct route from dublin to london?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Robbo


    If the ferries are anything to go by; on the weekends of Old Firm games, you'd need a second bridge to keep the various sects separated.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,364 ✭✭✭✭ Del.Monte


    I think that the people of all the Isle of Man might have had something to say about a dirty great highway ploughing through their beautiful, tiny and relatively unspoilt island.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭ bennyineire


    How would they overcome the rail gauge differences?

    Could be tied in with a new high speed rail line from Cork to Belfast (Via St. Stephans Green and Dublin Airport) :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭ LeinsterDub


    How would they overcome the rail gauge differences?

    Hyperloops , since we are talking pie in the sky ideas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    nordydan wrote: »
    This has been a regular call by Gregory Campbell (DUP). He doesnt even want to build proper roads in his own county (!), but wants this bridge (which would also require 100km of a road ugrade in Scotland to be feaible).

    Awaiting the EIA with much anticipation... :)

    Proper roads towards Derry and Dublin you'd think would be a more immediate concern but that's just roads for taigs as far as he's concerned. He wants a bridge he can march across all summer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 777 Skedaddle


    Without Brexit the EU might have considered funding something like this under TEN-T trans European networks funding. However, now it's just a bit of UK infrastructure connecting a region with a million and a bit people, it's not really economically viable.

    There's no hope of the Tories funding something like that either.
    What benefit is it to the Home Counties?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    Skedaddle wrote: »
    Without Brexit the EU might have considered funding something like this under TEN-T trans European networks funding. However, now it's just a bit of UK infrastructure connecting a region with a million and a bit people, it's not really economically viable.

    There's no hope of the Tories funding something like that either.
    What benefit is it to the Home Counties?

    Particularly with the threat of a Scottish Indy2 in focus after Brexit, and the possibility of a border poll in NI at some point in the near future. Better to have a bridge from Portsmouth to the Isle of White - fewer benefits but much cheaper, and keeps the Tory voters happier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,774 ✭✭✭✭ Muahahaha


    Edit: Actually, just checking the sea depth, it's up to 300 metres deep along there so even creating artificial islands would be a massive engineering project in itself. And to make things even better, the British have kindly filled it with nuclear waste and over a million tonnes of munitions!

    :confused: What exactly is down there? Like barrels of uranium ? Is there some foolproof way of storing this in the sea or something? I mean it sounds like the kind of thing that could be a target for an enemy of the UK with us also suffering the consequences if whatever is down there were to get hit and blown open.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,364 ✭✭✭✭ Del.Monte


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    :confused: What exactly is down there? Like barrels of uranium ? Is there some foolproof way of storing this in the sea or something? I mean it sounds like the kind of thing that could be a target for an enemy of the UK with us also suffering the consequences if whatever is down there were to get hit and blown open.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14820042-200-danger-from-the-deep/

    Try and put it out of your mind after reading. :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭ CarlosHarpic


    This is Flat Earth level stuff. Up there with the Midlands Airport and Western Rail Corridor.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭ muppetshow1451


    Why make a bridge when you can make a tunnel under the sea instead.


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