Spreading Urea?

Dickie10

anybody going out with urea yet?

GrasstoMilk

Dickie10 wrote: »

anybody going out with urea yet?

Next week I'd say. Water lying on the ground here still
Soil temps are 6-7c here today

Say my name

Spread two fields with half a bag just to get things moving and get a start on work.

Take up looks good.

mahoney_j

Pallets are in yard nothing out ,no point fields too wet ,ground temps good though .will be going with bag per acre as soon as ground and weather allow

freedominacup

I could go tomorrow but 2 inches of rain forecast for following couple of days so doesn't make much sense to me atm.

Say my name

freedominacup wrote: »

I could go tomorrow but 2 inches of rain forecast for following couple of days so doesn't make much sense to me atm.

What website or model are seeing 2 inches on?
You're in Waterford. I think?

There'll be no rain in Wexford till Friday evening and then some Saturday.
Even then about 7mm maybe in total.
Mightn't even be that. Could be 4 or 5.

Probably wrong but I don't think you're going to get 2 inches of rain.
I know you'll be getting more showers than me but..

Have a look on https://www.windy.com/?53.347,-6.244,5 and enter your location and there's a function on it to compare the different models on the one screen.

Waffletraktor

Say my name wrote: »

Spread two fields with half a bag just to get things moving and get a start on work.

Take up looks good.

Do ye lads miss AN i wonder, spread today you'd notice it by the weekend vs urea which is back into 1st week of Feb.

trixi2011

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Say my name wrote: »

Spread two fields with half a bag just to get things moving and get a start on work.

Take up looks good.

Do ye lads miss AN i wonder, spread today you'd notice it by the weekend vs urea which is back into 1st week of Feb.

Would an not leach to much at this time of year ? Use an during summer here can get alot of issues with quick uptake of nitrogen souring grass

Mooooo

trixi2011 wrote: »

Would an not leach to much at this time of year ? Use an during summer here can get alot of issues with quick uptake of nitrogen souring grass

When are stock left in? Is it blanket spread? Going away from that now, spread after cows every 5 to 7 days

Say my name

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Do ye lads miss AN i wonder, spread today you'd notice it by the weekend vs urea which is back into 1st week of Feb.

I don't know?
I always maintain for urea after spreading you need a few mm's of rain to wash it in. Otherwise you run the risk of volatization/evaporation. Then two mild dry days for the plant to take it up.
It works faster then I think.

yosemitesam1

Say my name wrote: »

I don't know?
I always maintain for urea after spreading you need a few mm's of rain to wash it in. Otherwise you run the risk of volatization/evaporation. Then two mild dry days for the plant to take it up.
It works faster then I think.

Teagasc's trial comparing urea (with and without protection) with can showed that there was very little volatilised from the farmers point of view even in dry conditions.

Say my name

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Teagasc's trial comparing urea (with and without protection) with can showed that there was very little volatilised from the farmers point of view even in dry conditions.

Again I'm not sure of that even.
I've seen U.S. trials on urea that would tell otherwise.

There's no doubt though the biggest threat to urea is evaporation to the atmosphere.

Mooooo

Say my name wrote: »

Again I'm not sure of that even.
I've seen U.S. trials on urea that would tell otherwise.

Our climate and the US is different tho, in terms of moisture. Spread urea most springs and would in summer too normally switch to can+S to get sulphur out but you can get urea with sulphur now u think so may price that

yosemitesam1

Say my name wrote: »

Again I'm not sure of that even.
I've seen U.S. trials on urea that would tell otherwise.

There's no doubt though the biggest threat to urea is evaporation to the atmosphere.

The teagasc trial showed that there was no difference to yield and I think around 5kg less n/ha recovered in grass protein, even with the majority of applications having no rain for a few days after. I think it was covered in the farm science thread

Say my name

Mooooo wrote: »

Our climate and the US is different tho, in terms of moisture. Spread urea most springs and would in summer too normally switch to can+S to get sulphur out but you can get urea with sulphur now u think so may price that

Got a price of 330 for urea +S today.

Ah there's loads of variables in such a trial.
Whether it's windy after spreading, ground moisture, grass cover, air and ground temperatures, even amount of microbes, bacteria in the soil.

GrasstoMilk

Say my name wrote: »

Got a price of 330 for urea +S today.

Ah there's loads of variables in such a trial.
Whether it's windy after spreading, ground moisture, grass cover, air and ground temperatures, even amount of microbes, bacteria in the soil.

Who was that price from?

Dunedin

Say my name wrote: »

Got a price of 330 for urea +S today.

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Do you mean urea plus sulphur? Didn’t know that it came with s. What % of S?

kay 9

Not going spreading anything here for another couple of weeks probably. Walked the drier ground today and it's still too wet but it is fit for travel

Mooooo

Say my name wrote: »

Got a price of 330 for urea +S today.

Ah there's loads of variables in such a trial.
Whether it's windy after spreading, ground moisture, grass cover, air and ground temperatures, even amount of microbes, bacteria in the soil.

Is that lower N than standard urea? I think I saw some advertised as 38N +7%S? As opposed to 46%N in standard urea

Say my name

Dunedin wrote: »

Do you mean urea plus sulphur? Didn’t know that it came with s. What % of S?

It must be a new product.
Don't know the %'s. Just the price was mentioned.

I didn't order as want to get soil samples done first and go from there.

Edit:Mooo i think I've covered your post above. Not much help though.

Gawddawggonnit

Sweet Jesus, what are ye doing??


Grow up.

Then sgain, I’m getting my head examined....again!

Waffletraktor

Say my name wrote: »

I don't know?
I always maintain for urea after spreading you need a few mm's of rain to wash it in. Otherwise you run the risk of volatization/evaporation. Then two mild dry days for the plant to take it up.
It works faster then I think.

Urea's the forgotten ginger stepchild compared to An for a quick hit imo, with liquid trumping solid even more so.

trixi2011 wrote: »

Would an not leach to much at this time of year ? Use an during summer here can get alot of issues with quick uptake of nitrogen souring grass

Can't say how ye get on up North on grass but we'd only use straight An to get weak patches going at a low rate now so it's ready to take a good dose of U/A/S come mid/late Feb. Prefer it as not taking a chance with urea sitting around with potential for washing away.
Was thinking along the lines of a small rate to get the overwinter leafs growing to have more energy stored for when ye graze em come early feb to go with urea then on a more lively plant?

Gawddawggonnit

kay 9 wrote: »

Not going spreading anything here for another couple of weeks probably. Walked the drier ground today and it's still too wet but it is fit for travel

+1.
One of the wetter winters and people firing out urea...

Bad enough to be spreading slurry onto saturated ground.

Question. What are the soil moisture deficits?
I’d bet that ground is at 100% water carrying capacity.

Urea is still waaaaay too cheap.

einn32

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

+1.
One of the wetter winters and people firing out urea...

Bad enough to be spreading slurry onto saturated ground.

Question. What are the soil moisture deficits?
I’d bet that ground is at 100% water carrying capacity.

Urea is still waaaaay too cheap.

The ground is saturated around here. Why don't Teagasc start soil science course or something. It strikes me that no one seems to actually study the subject yet it's one of the most important. Also it's one of the most neglected/misunderstood in modern farming.

trixi2011

Mooooo wrote: »

trixi2011 wrote: »

Would an not leach to much at this time of year ? Use an during summer here can get alot of issues with quick uptake of nitrogen souring grass

When are stock left in? Is it blanket spread? Going away from that now, spread after cows every 5 to 7 days

not blanket spread but due to long daylight hours in summer we can have 100+ growths for serveral weeks in a row and round length gets very low . Cows would often be grazing 10 days after spreading .

larthehar

Oul lads around here used to say if you kneel on the ground and leave deep marked imprint in the ground it is too wet to spread urea.
If you stand up and your knee is not marked with a wet patch it is to dry to spread urea..

Not the worst advise i guess..

RobinBanks

I have a few bags of CAN left over from last year. Will it work or is it only UREA that is spread this time of year. I have a field that I intend to redeem in may and I'm not bothered about it getting dug up. A bit of grass next month will be needed here.

kay 9

RobinBanks wrote: »

I have a few bags of CAN left over from last year. Will it work or is it only UREA that is spread this time of year. I have a field that I intend to redeem in may and I'm not bothered about it getting dug up. A bit of grass next month will be needed here.

Can will work too.
Not as fast though.
I'm not a fan of keeping any sort of nitrogen in storage over the winter as you can have losses.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

+1.
One of the wetter winters and people firing out urea...

Bad enough to be spreading slurry onto saturated ground.

Question. What are the soil moisture deficits?
I’d bet that ground is at 100% water carrying capacity.

Urea is still waaaaay too cheap.

Nobody is firing out Urea on saturated ground for the simple reason that the tractor and spreader would be staying there.

There are plenty of pockets of ground where there is a soil moisture deficit where ground is plenty dry enough to spread and soil temperatures are high enough to absorb the Urea and promote growth.

Fwiw, I'll be at least 2 weeks from spreading unless there is a miraculous drying spell. And this is an extremely dry farm.

Mooooo

trixi2011 wrote: »

not blanket spread but due to long daylight hours in summer we can have 100+ growths for serveral weeks in a row and round length gets very low . Cows would often be grazing 10 days after spreading .

Can you reduce what's being spread, cows only pissing it out otherwise

Gawddawggonnit

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Nobody is firing out Urea on saturated ground for the simple reason that the tractor and spreader would be staying there.

There are plenty of pockets of ground where there is a soil moisture deficit where ground is plenty dry enough to spread and soil temperatures are high enough to absorb the Urea and promote growth.

Fwiw, I'll be at least 2 weeks from spreading unless there is a miraculous drying spell. And this is an extremely dry farm.

Was talking to the Boss earlier and he was telling me about a large dairy farmer that wanted a Farm blanket spread at 1bag of urea per acre. No bother.
Farmer said it was ok to fill spreader to the max...so they only put in 6t...300hp tractor on 900s buried to the oxters. Lovely.

Very dry limestone farm on the banks of a major river...
Either milk is overpriced or urea is underpriced.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Was talking to the Boss earlier and he was telling me about a large dairy farmer that wanted a Farm blanket spread at 1bag of urea per acre. No bother.
Farmer said it was ok to fill spreader to the max...so they only put in 6t...300hp tractor on 900s buried to the oxters. Lovely.

Very dry limestone farm on the banks of a major river...
Either milk is overpriced or urea is underpriced.

Or the farmer is a bit of an eejit?

I would be going for option 3 there:p

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Was talking to the Boss earlier and he was telling me about a large dairy farmer that wanted a Farm blanket spread at 1bag of urea per acre. No bother.
Farmer said it was ok to fill spreader to the max...so they only put in 6t...300hp tractor on 900s buried to the oxters. Lovely.

Very dry limestone farm on the banks of a major river...
Either milk is overpriced or urea is underpriced.

The local hero here sent the contractor out last Jan onto reclaimed bogland, end result was a tracked machine was called into dig it out, he's going to have to invest in a hovercraft this year as half the farm is under water

Mooooo

Tbh I have seen no spinner out round here, only the odd tanker. Most lads don't just throw it out. Have it in the yard ready to go but after that not much more can be done bar wait. Big differences in rainfall not amind actual ground types from east to west

larthehar

i think teagasc/IFJ are bad enough for pushing early fert at all costs.. there is never any mention of soil saturation levels or land conditions.. early fert gives early grass when conditions are right..

There is also the local heros who like to be able to say they got the fert out 1st and sur the tractor hardly marked the ground.. (2 ruts a foot deep in the fields)

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

The local hero here sent the contractor out last Jan onto reclaimed bogland, end result was a tracked machine was called into dig it out, he's going to have to invest in a hovercraft this year as half the farm is under water

Lol.
I’m in hospital getting my head examined...there’s plenty beds empty, so those that reckon that fertilising fish grows grass can hop into a bed for the doctors to examine them.

The smoking ban in hospitals should be abolished...nicotine patches aren’t worth a shyte.
I’m chewing the face off myself in the want of a fag.

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
I’m in hospital getting my head examined...there’s plenty beds empty, so those that reckon that fertilising fish grows grass can hop into a bed for the doctors to examine them.

The smoking ban in hospitals should be abolished...nicotine patches aren’t worth a shyte.
I’m chewing the face off myself in the want of a fag.

Go up outside the mater outside the door and see all the lads/ladies smoking away oxygen tank in tow

visatorro

Mooooo wrote: »

Go up outside the mater outside the door and see all the lads/ladies smoking away oxygen tank in tow

Remember seeing lots of heavily pregnant ladies struggling out for a smoke aswell!

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

Go up outside the mater outside the door and see all the lads/ladies smoking away oxygen tank in tow

Jeez I’m not that bad, but to go from 3-4 packs a day to zero ain’t easy.

Gawddawggonnit

visatorro wrote: »

Remember seeing lots of heavily pregnant ladies struggling out for a smoke aswell!

Good Lord!

freedominacup

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

im chewing the face off myself in the want of a fag.

How long are you in for?

White Clover

Are they going to leave you out again dawg?!

White Clover

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Was talking to the Boss earlier and he was telling me about a large dairy farmer that wanted a Farm blanket spread at 1bag of urea per acre. No bother.
Farmer said it was ok to fill spreader to the max...so they only put in 6t...300hp tractor on 900s buried to the oxters. Lovely.

Very dry limestone farm on the banks of a major river...
Either milk is overpriced or urea is underpriced.

Does the river flood farmland down that way? The relief works around mallow has worked well.

memorystick

How much a ton is fertiliser? Leifi boost. Sound