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Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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    #2972
    20Cent
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    To be fair, Peterson stirring the pot on climate change should be one of the clear examples of how he’s just a character playing to his base.

    He has absolutely no expertise in climate science but guess who he sided with. The same people he sides with on every topic. He’s creating content for his base. There’s nothing wrong with that as such. It would however be wrong to give his climate change opinion any more weight than that of a Fox News host. It’s his job to say things his audience will like

    Who knows if he even believes it?

    Also the way he worded the tweet. Anticapitalist environmentalists will hate this. Destroying the planet to own the libs.


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    #2973
    El_Duderino 09
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Also the way he worded the tweet. Anticapitalist environmentalists will hate this. Destroying the planet to own the libs.

    It’s simply throwing red meat to the base. They’d love that phrasing.

    Plus he didn’t say he endorses it which is important too.


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    #2974
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    To be fair, Peterson stirring the pot on climate change should be one of the clear examples of how he’s just a character playing to his base.

    He has absolutely no expertise in climate science but guess who he sided with. The same people he sides with on every topic. He’s creating content for his base. There’s nothing wrong with that as such. It would however be wrong to give his climate change opinion any more weight than that of a Fox News host. It’s his job to say things his audience will like

    Who knows if he even believes it?

    Most of the loudest voices who believe in the man made theory of climate change have no idea about climate science. What's your point?


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    #2975
    ancapailldorcha
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    To be fair, Peterson stirring the pot on climate change should be one of the clear examples of how he’s just a character playing to his base.

    He has absolutely no expertise in climate science but guess who he sided with. The same people he sides with on every topic. He’s creating content for his base. There’s nothing wrong with that as such. It would however be wrong to give his climate change opinion any more weight than that of a Fox News host. It’s his job to say things his audience will like

    Who knows if he even believes it?

    When I first started listening to him, I thought he was quite erudite and interesting. As time went on, I started seeing him side with the far right and Trump supporters on various issues for no apparent reason. Why does he even care about climate change? It's got nothing to do with his income or his popularity and he certainly is no expert on it.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2976
    mcmoustache
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    To be fair, Peterson stirring the pot on climate change should be one of the clear examples of how he’s just a character playing to his base.

    Indeed. It'll be interesting to see if he tries to tap into the antivax market in the future too.


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    #2977
    kunst nugget
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jef2C4T1_A


    I know people have called him erudite but this is verbal scutter and to say you should vote against something purely because the 'cultural marxists' will probably vote for it is pure gobshíte talk imo.


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    #2978
    ancapailldorcha
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I know people have called him erudite but this is verbal scutter and to say you should vote against something purely because the 'cultural marxists' will probablyvote for it is pure gobshíte talk imo.

    This is when I started listening to him. The chap who introduced me was sharing his "Clean your room" type of videos at the time.

    I remember him being asked whether or not he believed in God once and his immediate response was that the interviewer didn't know what they were asking.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2979
    Professor Moriarty
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jef2C4T1_A


    I know people have called him erudite but this is verbal scutter and to say you should vote against something purely because the 'cultural marxists' will probablyvote for it is pure gobshíte talk imo.

    I watched that and listened very carefully. Two observations: 1. He very cleverly avoids giving a definitive opinion with a plethora of obscure and tangential 'arguments' for and against gay marriage. 2. Petersen should get himself assessed for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.


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    #2980
    MonkeyTennis
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Most of the loudest voices who believe in the man made theory of climate change have no idea about climate science. What's your point?

    Example?


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    #2981
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    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Example?

    Every single celebrity?


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    #2982
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,998 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Most of the loudest voices who believe in the man made theory of climate change have no idea about climate science. What's your point?

    It should be fairly obvious. It’s foolish to put a lot of faith in people who don’t have expertise in what they’re talking about. Particularly so when there is no shortage of actual experts. Wouldn’t you agree?

    The broader point is that it’s completely predictable that he sided with the right wing on the issue whether he has expertise in the area or not.


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    #2983
    MonkeyTennis
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    Parker Fat Ladyfinger wrote: »
    Every single celebrity?


    Every celebrity?? Trump? Jeremy Clarkson?


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    #2984
    Professor Moriarty
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Most of the loudest voices who believe in the man made theory of climate change have no idea about climate science. What's your point?

    If a theory isn't 'man made' then who should we expect to make it?


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    #2985
    kunst nugget
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    If a theory isn't 'man made' then who should we expect to make it?

    I don't know if you're doing that just to annoy him but I though it was perfectly clear that he meant the theory that climate change was man made.


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    #2986
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    Parker Fat Ladyfinger wrote: »
    Every single celebrity?


    I'm gonna side with the overwhelming vast majority of the scientific community even though I know nothing about it. I don't think that's that outrageous.


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    #2987
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Example?

    Leonardo Di Caprio


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    #2988
    El_Duderino 09
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »

    When I first started listening to him, I thought he was quite erudite and interesting. As time went on, I started seeing him side with the far right and Trump supporters on various issues for no apparent reason. Why does he even care about climate change? It's got nothing to do with his income or his popularity and he certainly is no expert on it.

    Its shoring up his base. He people he appeals to enjoy that kind of thing so it’s a side of chips on the platter that he serves to his supporters.

    He’s not interested in challenging his supporters opinions, he’s only really interested in selling them content they already agree with.


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    #2989
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Example?

    Here is an example of the head of an environmental group who clearly doesn't know anything about climate change
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw

    And another of a celebrity "scientist" shown up for not knowing anything
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hrUaD86XRw

    Don't underestimate the power of fashion when it comes to trendy liberal causes.


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    #2990
    kunst nugget
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Also the way he worded the tweet. Anticapitalist environmentalists will hate this. Destroying the planet to own the libs.

    Well, they're going to need those liberal tears because the water isn't going to drinkable...


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    #2991
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Its shoring up his base. He people he appeals to enjoy that kind of thing so it’s a side of chips on the platter that he serves to his supporters.

    He’s not interested in challenging his supporters opinions, he’s only really interested in selling them content they already agree with.

    Aren't you making some huge generalizations there?


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    #2992
    ancapailldorcha
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Its shoring up his base. He people he appeals to enjoy that kind of thing so it’s a side of chips on the platter that he serves to his supporters.

    He’s not interested in challenging his supporters opinions, he’s only really interested in selling them content they already agree with.

    I feel that this is too easy a conclusion to arrive at but I see no evidence to the contrary.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2993
    El_Duderino 09
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

    Here is an example of the head of an environmental group who clearly doesn't know anything about client change
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw

    And another of a celebrity "scientist" shown up for not knowing anything
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hrUaD86XRw

    Don't underestimate the power of fashion when it comes to trendy liberal causes.

    We already have an example of Peterson using climate change to shore up his base. Is that the kind of thing you mean?


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    #2994
    MonkeyTennis
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Here is an example of the head of an environmental group who clearly doesn't know anything about client change
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw

    And another of a celebrity "scientist" shown up for not knowing anything
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hrUaD86XRw

    Don't underestimate the power of fashion when it comes to trendy liberal causes.


    Almost all of Lindzens colleagues fundamentally disagree with him


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    #2995
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Almost all of Lindzens colleagues fundamentally disagree with him

    So what? The majority aren't always right.


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    #2996
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm gonna side with the overwhelming vast majority of the scientific community even though I know nothing about it. I don't think that's that outrageous.

    When I need medical help, I go to a doctor. If my car doesn't work as it should, I go to a mechanic. If the lights aren't working properly in the house, I get an electrician. If I need legal advice, I get it from a solicitor.

    There's a pattern here that I hope people will recognise. It's impossible for one person to know absolutely everything so we get our information from specialists all the time and there's nothing controversial about that. I don't have time to study medicine, motors, wiring or the law so I go to people who have and so does practically everyone else.

    Yet, when it comes to climate science, the sceptics think they know more than the climatologists.


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    #2997
    kunst nugget
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    So what? The majority aren't always right.

    The entire faculty of the MIT Atmosphere, Oceans and Climate, 22 professors and associate professors, wrote a letter to Donald Trump to say that they, did not agree with Lindzen's views.
    As his colleagues at MIT in the program in atmospheres, oceans and climate, all of whom are actively involved in understanding climate, we write to make it clear that this is not a view shared by us, or by the overwhelming majority of other scientists who have devoted their professional lives to careful study of climate science.

    The risks to the Earth system associated with increasing levels of carbon dioxide are almost universally agreed by climate scientists to be real ones.

    These include, but are not limited to, sea level rise, ocean acidification, and increases in extreme flooding and droughts, all with serious consequences for mankind.

    But obviously they are all talking out of their holes and Lindzen's right. Bloody experts, who need's them.

    Although that Lindzen is a proper expert that talks sense.


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    #2998
    ancapailldorcha
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    So what? The majority aren't always right.

    So if I found a pic of a Jordan Peterson supporter online waving a Swastika, you'd believe me if I said his followers are all Nazis based on my cherrypicked example?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2999
    20Cent
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    Man made clinate change denial is akin to believing the eath is flat at this stage. Embarassing for someone who claims to be rational and scientific. But it does appeal to his right wing followers and sells tickets, clicks and adverts which at the end of the say is all he's about. Squeezing as much cash out of suckers as possible.


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    #3000
    ancapailldorcha
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Man made clinate change denial is akin to believing the eath is flat at this stage. Embarassing for someone who claims to be rational and scientific. But it does appeal to his right wing followers and sells tickets, clicks and adverts which at the end of the say is all he's about. Squeezing as much cash out of suckers as possible.

    I know people who forked out a fortune for the privilege of watching what is basically a Youtube video. Insane.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3001
    mcmoustache
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    So what? The majority aren't always right.

    The majority of doctors tend to be right about the field of medicine.
    The majority of solicitors tend to be right about their area of the law.
    The majority of accountants tend to be right about accounting.

    See the pattern?


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