Hybrid LNB Install Cork

daveirl

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swoofer

Can you say a bit more why you want a hybrid lnb, they are usually requested for use with a sky q box? A normal sky quad lnb will do the job. Does the tv have a satellite tuner? etc

An installer is a case of looking at ads locally. Cork is a big place.

daveirl

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swoofer

sky should have given you a hybrid lnb but apparently they are more likely to do it in uk rather than here. you can get hybrid on ebay and easy peasy to fit. Did that installer leave a number? A lot of them are self employed and I'm sure they would oblige. how easy is it to get to dish? The hybrid has 6 outputs and any of the outputs can be used for q and for freesat. its easy. If you can get at dish you could do it yourself.

Look at this one and it comes with a fitting that clips on lnb arm, it even has a spirit level!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYBRID-6-WAY-LNB-MK4-Q-HD-FREESAT-SKY-MODEL-ELO10-LNB/323006781844?epid=2154095916&hash=item4b34b45994:g:pmcAAOSwM91aXoo9

this is an installer, A T S Sky Satellite Installation (Wilton)

Johnboy1951

@swoofer ...... link problem here ..... is it ok for others?

Lots of listings
https://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XSky+Hybrid+LNB.TRS0&_nkw=Sky+Hybrid+LNB&_sacat=0

Some are quad and not 6 output.

swoofer

yes that link closed, here's another. And yes quads will display as well. I picked the cheapest one as an example.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYBRID-6-WAY-LNB-MK4-Q-HD-FREESAT-SKY-MODEL-ELO10-LMB/332452376780?epid=2154095916&hash=item4d67b4b0cc:g:46wAAOSwpvZaDgk9

jkk1

Hi swoofer,
I have been doing saorview, saorsat and FTA etc in west kerry for almost 10 years. Installing a hybrid sounds straight forward but I must be missing something.
As I would understand it - the dish is already adjusted correctly if it is working with a SKY Q lnb just replace with Hybrid Lnb.
I have done this and neither my Horizon HD S2 or HD S2A will give me a signal reading, and the sky Q box also says no signal. I presumed the lnb was faulty so I got another one - same thing. I then got a hybrid Lnb from another supplier and same thing. replace Sky Q lnb with hybrid lnb and there is no sky Q signal - am I missing something or have I the unlikely misfortune to get 3 faulty hybrid lnb in a row?
Thanks

swoofer

WOW have those lnb's 6 outputs? That hybrid is heavier than a normal lnb so might just tweak the lnb arm. Is does not take a lot to loose signal. I have a hybrid that I have not checked yet, might do so tomorro. Weather not nice.

Right checked weight, hybrid is 1lb, sky quad long nose is 8oz, sky octo is 1lb.4oz. But I'd say you spotted that, only a thought

jkk1

yes 6 outputs. No its not to do with the weight. I have tried peaking the dish after fitting but no signal? put sky Q lnb or an ordinary quad on and its fine. Just can't imagine I have gotten 3 dud lnbs in a row but nothing else makes sense

Gerry Wicklow

You are aware that there are two dedicated Q ports and 4 FTAs? Are you using the correct ports

The Cush

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

You are aware that there are two dedicated Q ports and 4 FTAs? Are you using the correct ports

According to a post here a few months ago, all ports can be wideband or legacy as required - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106369024

Gerry Wicklow

Maybe so. I'm no expert but it does seem incredibly unlucky to get 3 duds.

jkk1

Yes, the 2 on their own are sky Q. But because nothing seems to make sense I did check the other outputs also.
So, if a triax TD64 is set up and tweaked to a maximum on astra 28.2 ( works with a sky Q lnb or a FTA lnb ) and you fit a hybrid then that should be it. They (all 3 of them and from different suppliers) do not work, the Sky Q outputs show no signal on my Horizon HD S2 meter and the Sky Q box also indicates no signal.
To maybe rule out the doubt that it could be something to do with me trying to align the dish. I have no issue aligning and tweaking Saorsat, FTA, hotbird, Astra 1 and I installed Qsat and other satellite broadband for a couple of years.

So I am left with incredible notion that I have bought 3 dud Hybrid lnbs and from 2 different suppliers????

swoofer

it cant be!!! Did you re do any of the cables at the lnb end ie make the core longer? The neck on the hybrid is very short, I bought mine with a sky adapter and its supposed to be pre configured. I notice adapter is tight against back of lnb.

Or is it posible those lnbs will only work on a ..... gf a sky dish?!!!

And are you trying a few channels ie vertical and horizontal?

You have me intrigued so I am going to try now on a traix 64cm!!

back soon

Good news it works on all outputs for FTA on 28east. Its so damm good it actually works alongside an existing lnb on 28e, see pics. And also a pic of lnb version.

Johnboy1951

jkk1 wrote: »

Hi swoofer,
I have been doing saorview, saorsat and FTA etc in west kerry for almost 10 years. Installing a hybrid sounds straight forward but I must be missing something.
As I would understand it - the dish is already adjusted correctly if it is working with a SKY Q lnb just replace with Hybrid Lnb.
I have done this and neither my Horizon HD S2 or HD S2A will give me a signal reading, and the sky Q box also says no signal. I presumed the lnb was faulty so I got another one - same thing. I then got a hybrid Lnb from another supplier and same thing. replace Sky Q lnb with hybrid lnb and there is no sky Q signal - am I missing something or have I the unlikely misfortune to get 3 faulty hybrid lnb in a row?
Thanks

Is it at all possible that the new LNB/s is/are 'mis-aligned' for the dish type while the older one is ok?

jkk1

I don't think mis alignment can be an issue. have tried realigning dish, adjusting skew etc. I am confident it is not an issue with alignment of dish, skew or any physical adjustment like that, if anything I am missing some step. Obviously I cannot even imagine what that is or I would have tried it?

jkk1

I can't imagine a reason why it would only work on a sky dish, from my research the signal is the same type.
As for core or cable not being right, it looks good and the horizon meter can accurately check that for you and it has always said ok.
The F connectors I use are only PPC EX6plus, I find them fantastic and I have never had a contact problem.

tonight I might try extra long core?

Ten Pin

Does Sky Q need a different meter, by any chance? Sky Q LNB outputs frequencies that includes satellite but also terrestrial (wideband).
http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/SkyQ.htm

Is there also a possibility that the Q box has to be "paired" with the Q LNB (whether it's hybrid Q LNB or standard Q LNB)?

Is there an existing Q LNB and is that still working?

The Cush

I believe the hybrid LNB is legacy on all ports by default, only when connected to a SkyQ receiver the ports switch over to wideband. No one appears to know what switching protocol is used to make this happen, bar Sky of course.

jkk1

The meter I have has Sky q on it. Actually, I have 3 meters for various reason. 1 horizon HD S2A and 2 of Horizon HD S2. I have downloaded sky Q on all of them. Yes there is an existing sky q lnb and it is working and my meter will read the signal level on this.

The idea of pairing or somehow activating the Sky Q element of the LNB is interesting.

Gerry Wicklow

Well you live and learn
Out of curiosity and boredom, I tried my unused and unloved Sky Q cables in a generic sat box and got the full spread of FTA channels on 28E. These cables were originally used in a Q box.
I shall now get my coat and apologise for taking the thread OT.

swoofer

I'm dying to know if you got sorted??

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

I believe the hybrid LNB is legacy on all ports by default, only when connected to a SkyQ receiver the ports switch over to wideband. No one appears to know what switching protocol is used to make this happen, bar Sky of course.

Lots of misinformation about.
One of those posts
https://www.avforums.com/threads/wideband-lnb-frequencies.2156511/#post-26082044
says

A hybrid lnb with 6 outputs exist, only two of the 6 can be used for Sky-Q,

which directly contradicts other info https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106369024&postcount=16

Yeah I can confirm Hybrid LNB works with x3 Sky Q main boxes simultaneously no problems

The Cush

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Lots of misinformation about.
One of those posts
https://www.avforums.com/threads/wideband-lnb-frequencies.2156511/#post-26082044

I agree, grahamlthompson would be a knowledgeable poster though, a regular contributor over on DS

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

I agree, grahamlthompson would be a knowledgeable poster though, a regular contributor over on DS

I am inclined to believe he got that one wrong.

The Cush

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am inclined to believe he got that one wrong.

I disagree, he just didn't add "all 6 can accommodate SkyQ if required".

The 6 outputs aren't labelled so any two can connect to Sky-Q and the other 4 to legacy kit.

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

I disagree, he just didn't add "all 6 can accommodate SkyQ if required".

What way would you read this?

A hybrid lnb with 6 outputs exist, only two of the 6 can be used for Sky-Q,

To me that says the other four cannot once the first two are connected.

Whereas it seems that all six can be used for Sky Q.

The Cush

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

What way would you read this?

A hybrid lnb with 6 outputs exist, only two of the 6 can be used for Sky-Q,

To me that says the other four cannot once the first two are connected.

Whereas it seems that all six can be used for Sky Q.

That quote wasn't in the post I linked to nor any mention of dedicated legacy or wideband ports, did he post it elsewhere in the thread?

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

That quote wasn't in the post I linked to nor any mention of dedicated legacy or wideband ports, did he post it elsewhere in the thread?

It is in the post - I quoted it and linked to it above ....... read down to the bottom of post.

The Cush

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is in the post where I quoted it and linked to it above ....... read down near bottom of post.

Ok, yes I missed that, thanks.

Well, thanks to Gatoh here on our own forum it has been confirmed the hybrid can feed 3 Sky Q receivers without issue, and confirmed on the Sky or DS forum the hybrid LNB can feed legacy receivers from all outputs. I can understand the confusion regards the outputs considering most installs using the hybrid LNB will only ever have 1 SkyQ receiver attached.

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

Ok, yes I missed that, thanks.

Well, thanks to Gatoh here on our own forum it has been confirmed the hybrid can feed 3 Sky Q receivers without issue, and confirmed on the Sky or DS forum the hybrid LNB can feed legacy receivers from all outputs. I can understand the confusion regards the outputs considering most installs using the hybrid LNB will only ever have 1 SkyQ receiver attached.

I seem to recall some mention in the early times of Sky Q of having a limit of three Sky Q boxes, which at the time most seem to have understood as a limit on the number of mini boxes (is that what they are called?) for multiroom.

I now wonder if the limit really meant the limit of the LNB to supply 3 Sky Q main receivers.

On the other hand I could easily be mis-remembering

The Cush

IIRC the limit referred to 3 mini boxes due to stock or the availability of tuners in the main box, and just 1 main box per household.

jkk1

Hi,
Update so far. I had to add a FTA point to a Triax solid dish with a hybrid lnb on it. Sky had installed the LNB onto the dish. My meter reads the SKY Q signal and free to air perfectly on that LNB
Back again to my problem I have 3 New hybrid LNBs from 2 different suppliers and I cannot get a SKY Q signal on any of them.
Meter works fine, I don't even need to be able to align a dish, just swap exactly my hybrid lnbs onto a dish instead of a hybrid Lnb that is working fine. My meter reads no Sky Q signal on any of my 3 new lnbs?????.
Is there some kind of activation needed?

The Cush

jkk1 wrote: »

Is there some kind of activation needed?

Never came across anything regarding activation. Appears to be plug and play like any other LNB.

jkk1

Then I got 3 dud lnbs and from 2 different suppliers. What are the odds