Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Leroy42

Trump is admitting defeat in his trade talks with China.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999257533327073281

So from the position that he was going to label them a currency manipulator, to his decision to impose tariffs, we now end up with a statement that he won't be able to achieve anything and is dressing it as as impossible to judge.

It was only yesterday he claimed he had achieved $bns of extra trade with China.

The best deal maker in the world cannot make a deal!

amandstu

Leroy42 wrote: »

Trump is admitting defeat in his trade talks with China.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999257533327073281

So from the position that he was going to label them a currency manipulator, to his decision to impose tariffs, we now end up with a statement that he won't be able to achieve anything and is dressing it as as impossible to judge.

It was only yesterday he claimed he had achieved $bns of extra trade with China.

The best deal maker in the world cannot make a deal!

N Korea may be uppermost in his "mind" (:D )

How can he p. off China if he needs their help to get his acknowledgement as a Nobel Peace prize winner?

Leroy42

NK, if these talks don't go ahead it is major, major embarrassment for Trump. Despite agreeing to talks without any pre-conditions he will still have been turned down. He basically gave up everything to get these talks, and is POTUS of the most powerful country in the world, yet even then he may not get any further than others.

Plus, he has given NK the sort of oxygen, breathing space and kudos that they could only dream of. Remember, only a few weeks ago Trump was calling Kim a excellent.

Christy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

NK, if these talks don't go ahead it is major, major embarrassment for Trump. Despite agreeing to talks without any pre-conditions he will still have been turned down. He basically gave up everything to get these talks, and is POTUS of the most powerful country in the world, yet even then he may not get any further than others.

Plus, he has given NK the sort of oxygen, breathing space and kudos that they could only dream of. Remember, only a few weeks ago Trump was calling Kim a excellent.

He will have moved on by then to another international crisis. Plenty on here will say if he gets it done he will be the best ever and how no one gives him any praise.

2 months ago the trade war which with China was the big news and that would be a massive embarrassment if he gave up on it. Then today it was quietly slipped that he is giving up on that. If nothing else he is a master at manipulating quick news cycles so there is always something on the horizon to distract from his last failure to achieve anything on the international stage.

everlast75

But we will always have the coins

Peregrinus

amandstu wrote: »

N Korea may be uppermost in his "mind" (:D )

How can he p. off China if he needs their help to get his acknowledgement as a Nobel Peace prize winner?

He's not pissing off China by ackonwledging that he can't get a trade deal. He can't get a trade deal because the Chinese aren't interested in one.

Sonics2k

Peregrinus wrote: »

He's not pissing off China by ackonwledging that he can't get a trade deal. He can't get a trade deal because the Chinese aren't interested in one.

All this is really doing is showing just how blatant it is that many in the U.S (particularly in higher positions) don't realise that America relies on China a lot more than China relies on the US.

Pelvis

BBC reporting that Cohen was paid 400k by intermediaries acting on behalf of the Ukraine to arrange a meeting between the Ukrainian president and Trump, which happened last June.

I hope he enjoys prison.

Captain Obvious

Pelvis wrote: »

BBC reporting that Cohen was paid 400k by intermediaries acting on behalf of the Ukraine to arrange a meeting between the Ukrainian president and Trump, which happened last June.

I hope he enjoys prison.

What makes you think he won't be given a pardon?

Penn

Pelvis wrote: »

BBC reporting that Cohen was paid 400k by intermediaries acting on behalf of the Ukraine to arrange a meeting between the Ukrainian president and Trump, which happened last June.

I hope he enjoys prison.

What's particularly interesting to note:

Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Hande hoche!

That's about par for course. Ukrainians got their javelin missiles in the end.

dublinbuster

net closing in on corrupt democrats, including Obama/Clinton and numerous FBI,CIE and government officials.
Trump will come out of this smelling of roses, screen cap this post!

Captain Obvious

dublinbuster wrote: »

net closing in on corrupt democrats, including Obama/Clinton and numerous FBI,CIE and government officials.

In what way? Are you referring to a particular investigation or just in general?

dublinbuster wrote: »

Trump will come out of this smelling of roses, screen cap this post!

No need, I'm sure there are plenty of carbon copies on Trump fanatic pages going back the past year.

pitifulgod

dublinbuster wrote: »

net closing in on corrupt democrats, including Obama/Clinton and numerous FBI,CIE and government officials.
Trump will come out of this smelling of roses, screen cap this post!

This is called diversion. I'm seeing lots of Trump scandals but Obama and Clinton are pretty much scandal free at this stage....

everlast75

pitifulgod wrote: »

This is called diversion. I'm seeing lots of Trump scandals but Obama and Clinton are pretty much scandal free at this stage....

Obama- 8 years. No scandals... other than of course the Fox news classic of mustard-gate.

In 2009 Obama ordered a burger and put mustard on it.

"The story was featured on Sean Hannity's show, Hannity's America, as a screen showed a photoshopped image of Obama surrounded by bottles of mustard with the words "PRESIDENT POUPON" plastered on a red and white banner."

Zubeneschamali

Don't forget the time Obama wore a beige suit!!!

26000 Elephants

Corkblowin wrote: »

Elliot Broidy was subject of a daily beast article (retweeted by Seth Abramson) which notes that Broidy's company got $7,500 dollars in government contracts between 2011-2016, and $800 million since Trump got in.

While it fits in with the allegation floating around that he took a fall for Trump - is it really credible? Would the president have the power to push through a preferred bidder like that? Surely there are oversight committees etc?

I think Malcolm Muggeridge summed up the current reality over 30 years ago ( and im only paraphrasing a *tiny* bit)

"We live in an age where it is no longer possible to be funny. There is nothing you can imagine, no matter how ludicrous, that will not be enacted promptly before your very eyes, probably by the President of the United States."

aloyisious

Steve Bannon is being interviewed on BBC2 newsnight at the moment

JRant

Looks like Kushner has been given full security clearance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html

This makes is extremely unlikely that Mueller/FBI has anything on him.

aloyisious

JRant wrote: »

Looks like Kushner has been given full security clearance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html

This makes is extremely unlikely that Mueller/FBI has anything on him.

Given how Don has the ability to make ludicrous decisions and issue ludicrous instructions for any and all purposes, and is of a mind to basically set the rules of evidence to suit himself when and where it comes to what is factual or deniable, and then include his desire to piss off the folks in the big house on the hill and in the DOJ into the bargain, one cannot be surprised with what decisions or news comes OFFICIALLY out of the White House. I've just seen a mention on CNN news that Jared's lawyer confirmed that the FBI met with Jared over the past few days for another interview in connection with the collusion investigation.

everlast75

JRant wrote: »

Looks like Kushner has been given full security clearance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html

This makes is extremely unlikely that Mueller/FBI has anything on him.

That security clearance was given by the White House, nobody else, so i disagree he is in the clear

everlast75

Trump will be on Fox and friends again later this morning (8 am their time). Expect the words "spy", "no collusion", "spygate", "Obama", "Crooked Hillary's emails" and "witch hunt" to repeated by all ad nauseum.

Also, there will be two meetings today re intelligence info, with Gowdy and Kelly to be at both. No dems at the first meeting at all.

RR will be at both. A very testing time for him, especially if the meetings differ substantially and he is there to witness it.

dr.fuzzenstein

Really what makes me sick is the grotesque freakshow that is Fox News.
Watch the differences in "news" coverage between Obama wanting to meet with the leaders of Iran and North Korea, vs Trump doing the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8Uu53x0d8

It's nauseating. Fox News HQ would really benefit from a direct hit by a large meteor.
And as always, it's not just the very existence of freaks like Trump and Fox, it's the very fact that there are people who think this is so great they will watch every Trump speech and glowing Fox news bulletin about him with their trousers round their ankles, a bottle of handlotion and a jumbo sized pack of Kleenex.
I hate to say it, but trolls, morons, haters and other assorted slime and vermin have won. Every single one of them (to quote Batman) just wants to watch the world burn.
What have we come to that the majority of people have taken utter leave of their senses and they celebrate this retarded oafishness?
They don't just celebrate it, but they would shout, clap, cheer, whistle, stomp their feet and carry Trump round on their shoulders.
To them Trump is the single best thing that ever happened on this planet.
I am of the opinion that humanity may well have passed the point of no return and we have turned into nothing but a bunch of biological waste.
Aliens do not contact us because they have seen our TV signals and decided that they don't need t wipe us out, we're managing just fine ourselves.
This is truly endgame. When the planet finally burns while Trump plays the fiddle, the masses will cheer wildly and demand more just before they slip under the boiling lava.

Water John

Fuzz, having a bit of a meltdown there yourself and maybe you're entitled to it.

dr.fuzzenstein

Water John wrote: »

Fuzz, having a bit of a meltdown there yourself and maybe you're entitled to it.

It just had to be said.

JRant

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Really what makes me sick is the grotesque freakshow that is Fox News.
Watch the differences in "news" coverage between Obama wanting to meet with the leaders of Iran and North Korea, vs Trump doing the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8Uu53x0d8

It's nauseating. Fox News HQ would really benefit from a direct hit by a large meteor.
And as always, it's not just the very existence of freaks like Trump and Fox, it's the very fact that there are people who think this is so great they will watch every Trump speech and glowing Fox news bulletin about him with their trousers round their ankles, a bottle of handlotion and a jumbo sized pack of Kleenex.
I hate to say it, but trolls, morons, haters and other assorted slime and vermin have won. Every single one of them (to quote Batman) just wants to watch the world burn.
What have we come to that the majority of people have taken utter leave of their senses and they celebrate this retarded oafishness?
They don't just celebrate it, but they would shout, clap, cheer, whistle, stomp their feet and carry Trump round on their shoulders.
To them Trump is the single best thing that ever happened on this planet.
I am of the opinion that humanity may well have passed the point of no return and we have turned into nothing but a bunch of biological waste.
Aliens do not contact us because they have seen our TV signals and decided that they don't need t wipe us out, we're managing just fine ourselves.
This is truly endgame. When the planet finally burns while Trump plays the fiddle, the masses will cheer wildly and demand more just before they slip under the boiling lava.

Give over with the hysteronics. Let me guess, you know better than all those deplorables, am I right?

Stick the kettle on, have a cuppa out in the garden, forget about Trump (he really isn't that bad) and get on with your day.

I've read some ****ë on this thread but this takes the biscuit. Aliens? Lava? Absolute nonsense more like.

everlast75

JRant wrote: »

Trump (he really isn't that bad)

I've read some ****ë on this thread but this takes the biscuit.

Leroy42

So BBC is running a story that Cohen was paid $400k to set up a meeting between Trump and Ukraine. Draining the swamp is a costly business it would appear.

Jared lawyers admitted yesterday that Jared had been interviewed, a second time, by the Mueller team. The story suggests that it was almost 6 hours of questioning.

Giuliani came out recently and stated that even if the Trump team had got foreign intel, since they didn't pay for it it wasn't a crime. He also stated that since they didn't use it it wasn't a crime. Why would you even broker such a line if nothing had happened? What lawyer would ever go into a court room with a line stating that "even if my client did do the crime, so what?".

There is a very clear pattern over the last 18 months. As the pressure builds Trump comes out with more and more outrageous claims with no backup or evidence, and then Mueller will drop something out of nowhere. No reason to think, given the above, that the latest "spygate" nonsense is not another version of that.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

So BBC is running a story that Cohen was paid $400k to set up a meeting between Trump and Ukraine. Draining the swamp is a costly business it would appear

What compounds this, is shortly after the meeting, the Ukraine Government stopped co-operating with the Mueller investigation in circumstances where they were assisting before that meeting.

They would have known a lot about Manafort as he worked for one of their former leaders.

They also then bought a shipload of missiles.

jooksavage

Was listening to Ben Wittes of Lawfare speak about Trumps attacks on the investigation and the point was made that there's a lot more at stake here than the Trump presidency. The reason Nixon's appalling corruption didnt become the norm was because subsequent administrations saw that it ultimately led to ruin and disgrace. If Trump doesn't face the full consequences of his actions, this will become the norm for future administrstions and the unthinkable prospect of the US decending into the thuggery that passes for democracy in Russia could be realised.