Wilton Shopping Center

Soccarboy11

Could only find an ancient thread on this topic, so thought making a new one might be the better idea!

Looks like the plans for the Shopping Center before the recession are back in action!.. kind of.. not fully. Definitely needs a good makeover if it wants to compete correctly.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/wilton-shopping-centre-set-for-100m-redevelopment-465574.html

TheChizler

I don't know where they're going to fit a 2 storey mall, multi screen cinema, and hotel if they're just demolishing the Penneys site. Extend into the car park?

Wasn't this on hold previously partly due to the roundabout being required to be turned into a signalised junction?

Soccarboy11

TheChizler wrote: »

I don't know where they're going to fit a 2 storey mall, multi screen cinema, and hotel if they're just demolishing the Penneys site. Extend into the car park?

Thats what I was thinking too, there isn't that much room on the land, and the parking is already sparse enough there. Would have to be a multistory somewhere. I can't envision this going ahead really, and don't see how Penny's would like being kicked out unless they would be re-opening again? I would love to see something happen with it, its very outdated, but the objections that are going to appear..

Outkast_IRE

TheChizler wrote: »

I don't know where they're going to fit a 2 storey mall, multi screen cinema, and hotel if they're just demolishing the Penneys site. Extend into the car park?

They will take some of the car park space. They will also build a fairly horredous looking multistorey at the back of the site, which i am sure will be objected to. They conveniently leave it off of most of the visuals. its on the sarsfield rd side on the south of the site.

TheChizler

Here's the 2011 planning application for anyone who's interested. I imagine it'll be very similar except leaving the units in the main centre in place? That had a 2-level basement car park right up to the edges of the property.

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/0934191/0

Soccarboy11

TheChizler wrote: »

Here's the 2011 planning application for anyone who's interested. I imagine it'll be very similar except leaving the units in the main centre in place?

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/0934191/0

I believe that they only want to change the Pennys side of things, and keep the original center if what is said here is correct https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/wilton-shopping-centre-cork-set-11834625

Would be great to have the old application, looks like a ballincollig type center!

11214

In fairness the place badly needs an upgrade, especially the car park, is there anything in the plans for underground parking?

Soccarboy11

11214 wrote: »

In fairness the place badly needs an upgrade, especially the car park, is there anything in the plans for underground parking?

Nah nothing said, we don't know the full plans though. They were apparently talking to the shops about the entire plans tonight though so hopefully we will hear more soon

Soccarboy11

Anybody hear anything about the meetings from last night? Can't find anything on it!

New mall built on the Penneys site, new retail units and a multi storey car park

TheChizler

Bit more detail in the Echo today.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Developers-unveil-big-plans-for-Wilton-centre-e25374d3-8858-4d30-adbe-54c706143912-ds

Complaints that there's nothing being done to the main centre. Thought the last plans partly didn't go ahead precisely because of disruption to the main centre?

Soccarboy11

TheChizler wrote: »

Bit more detail in the Echo today.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Developers-unveil-big-plans-for-Wilton-centre-e25374d3-8858-4d30-adbe-54c706143912-ds

Complaints that there's nothing being done to the main centre. Thought the last plans partly didn't go ahead precisely because of disruption to the main centre?

is it just an expansion of pennys or an actual addition of shops? Hopefully more shops.

I would much prefer if Wilton was just demolished and rebuilt, it needs it. I only thought the last build didn't go ahead because of the Recession hitting!

TheChizler

The last plans were released on 2011 AFAIK, few years deep into recession at that point.

JupiterKid

The Wilton Centre was state of the art for Cork when it first opened 40 years ago, but of course today it is very outdated and tired looking. It does need a revamp/rebuild but it needs to be sympathetic to the surrounding area. I don’t think increasing car parking is all that good an idea - can they not improve public transport to the Centre?

Soccarboy11

JupiterKid wrote: »

The Wilton Centre was state of the art for Cork when it first opened 40 years ago, but of course today it is very outdated and tired looking. It does need a revamp/rebuild but it needs to be sympathetic to the surrounding area. I don’t think increasing car parking is all that good an idea - can they not improve public transport to the Centre?

214 and 219 buses already stop right outside it, as does the 208 and one other one I believe by the CUH.

EnzoScifo

Images from SkyscraperCity. Would be quite a few traffic implications with a new entrance on Sarsfields Road, but in a way delighted to see the removal of the vast amount of surface car park

Soccarboy11

Wow that side looks 100x better then what is currently there, although I am worried pennys will just own the majority of it again rather then allowing new retailers to move in!

Interested to see how it will look with the old side of the building though. Either way its something!

ShamoBuc

I think it looks fantastic, if it finishes up looking that I will be well impressed.

AugustusMinimus

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Images from SkyscraperCity. Would be quite a few traffic implications with a new entrance on Sarsfields Road, but in a way delighted to see the removal of the vast amount of surface car park

Just one entrance and exit from the multi-storey?

j8wk2feszrnpao

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Just one entrance and exit from the multi-storey?

Same as Douglas.

grogi

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Same as Douglas.

And it is not the entrance that is bottleneck there, just the stupid cross at the middle of the parking.

AugustusMinimus

munstermagic11 wrote: »

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Just one entrance and exit from the multi-storey?

Same as Douglas.

The Sarsfields Road is the main link between Wilton and the N40.

There should be zero risk of traffic queues onto this road from the shopping centre. Ridiculous that there will be only one exit and entrance. Lessons should be learned from Douglas and Mahon which see traffic queues.

boardsuser1

So the car park behind the bus stop across from the CUH is going is it?

From the traffic lights on Bishopstown road to the Wilton roundabout yeah?

AugustusMinimus

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

So the car park behind the bus stop across from the CUH is going is it?

From the traffic lights on Bishopstown road to the Wilton roundabout yeah?

Looks like it. In my opinion, the new car should have 2 entrances with the other being at the junction with CUH.

ShamoBuc

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Looks like it. In my opinion, the new car should have 2 entrances with the other being at the junction with CUH.

I'm trying to think of a multi storey that has 2 entrances? Don't most have 1?

grogi

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I'm trying to think of a multi storey that has 2 entrances? Don't most have 1?

So what?! A new, yet a good idea, is worth implementing...

grogi

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Looks like it. In my opinion, the new car should have 2 entrances with the other being at the junction with CUH.

The proposed carpark does not extend that far, there is a plaza there...

ShamoBuc

grogi wrote: »

So what?! A new, yet a good idea, is worth implementing...

I'm sure to all the builders and designers of all the multi story car parks, having 2 entrances is Not a new idea. I'd be confident someone thought of it over the last decade.

Why do you assume it's automatically a Good idea? Design/planning wise there might be a reason why it isn't.

Not sure where the other entrance would go though, considering the other side of the car park is the existing mall?

AugustusMinimus

grogi wrote: »

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Looks like it. In my opinion, the new car should have 2 entrances with the other being at the junction with CUH.

The proposed carpark does not extend that far, there is a plaza there...

A tunnel could easily be put in place under the new build.

Soccarboy11

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

A tunnel could easily be put in place under the new build.

Their budget is 100M for demolition, brand new building, car park, hotel, cinema and interior stuff I am assuming. I would say they are stretched at 100M already let alone building a tunnel, especially with the current retailers wanting them to also do up the old part of the center and modernise it, which would make the budget smaller again

j8wk2feszrnpao

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

The Sarsfields Road is the main link between Wilton and the N40.

There should be zero risk of traffic queues onto this road from the shopping centre. Ridiculous that there will be only one exit and entrance. Lessons should be learned from Douglas and Mahon which see traffic queues.

Zero risk? There are already traffic queues at times.
Having one entrance/exit along the Sarsfield road may assist traffic flow by the lights at CUH?

grogi

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I'm sure to all the builders and designers of all the multi story car parks, having 2 entrances is Not a new idea. I'd be confident someone thought of it over the last decade.

Why do you assume it's automatically a Good idea? Design/planning wise there might be a reason why it isn't.

Not sure where the other entrance would go though, considering the other side of the car park is the existing mall?

Originally you dismissed the idea because it is uncommon, not because it is not feasible.

grogi

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Zero risk? There are already traffic queues at times.
Having one entrance/exit along the Sarsfield road may assist traffic flow by the lights at CUH?

You understood it wrongly - nobody should be taking risk of queues. How will this work - we all know...

ShamoBuc

grogi wrote: »

Originally you dismissed the idea because it is uncommon, not because it is not feasible.

Mind read much??? I thought of both. Commented on one. Then the other.

Either way, you still haven't shown how it is feasible. Not sure where you think the second entrance should be.

Maybe you could enlighten me with your thoughts on where it should go, we could discuss it then.;)

j8wk2feszrnpao

grogi wrote: »

You understood it wrongly - nobody should be taking risk of queues. How will this work - we all know...

I don't think anyone, including yourself, knows.
Are you involved in the planning, building or design of the project?

"nobody should be taking risk of queues". What does this mean?
If they build an attractive shopping center, then more people are going to want to go there; adding traffic/queues. Not sure how it's avoidable. They can try and manage it, but not sure what 'risk' you are speaking of.

FrStone

Will there be more or less car parking spaces? Will the multi storey increase parking or just recover some of the parking they want to build over.

They badly need more parking as it is. What's the traffic plan for those coming at it from Victoria Cross? Anyone from the North side would come up that way.

ShamoBuc

FrStone wrote: »

Will there be more or less car parking spaces? Will the multi storey increase parking or just recover some of the parking they want to build over.

They badly need more parking as it is. What's the traffic plan for those coming at it from Victoria Cross? Anyone from the North side would come up that way.

It says 1050 parking spaces, which I presume is more than what's there. Also most of the parking at Tesco should remain so it should increase it considerably overall.

snotboogie

Planning sought for €100m Wilton regeneration

run_Forrest_run

you have to love those artists impressions, the sky is always blue, there are only about 5 cars on the road(s), members of the public are walking around in a very carefree manner, children are skipping along...lying bast**ds the lot of em :mad:

kub

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

you have to love those artists impressions, the sky is always blue, there are only about 5 cars on the road(s), members of the public are walking around in a very carefree manner, children are skipping along...lying bast**ds the lot of em :mad:

The people are always slim, the cars are always top of the range, it is Utopia they are trying to portray.

boardsuser1

The plans for Wilton remind me of Douglas Village before and after construction.