Flooding tonight 2nd Jan

biko

Merchants road is closed.
Flood Street is bad

JPF82

biko wrote: »

Merchants road is closed.
Flood Street is bad

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/948256345333161984

Looks bad enough alright.

biko

The Latin Quarter Galway pic

ronnie3585

Water levels in the city highest for 25 years;

https://twitter.com/floodingireland/status/948268884322381825


Some suicidal driving along the Prom earlier:eek:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1551037168309402&id=100002094000625

flazio

Aren't there supposed to be barriers on the Spanish Arch?

Whereisgalway

Another embarrassment for the city council and planners, it shouldn’t be that hard to have a adequate drainage system in place, over all it’s not that powerful of a storm but because of inadequatancy of our greedy (un) elected representatives it’s ,aide out to be a lot ,ore devastating. Shop street our
Was covered in large pools of inpasable water at lunch time today. This is simply not good enough

inisboffin

flazio wrote: »

Aren't there supposed to be barriers on the Spanish Arch?

From the vids I saw the inflatable thing is up! Might have been way worse without? Who knows.

Dominic St looks like it was flooded from the canal, and it came down the lane at the back of Róisín and by the playground. Wonder if they screwed up the loughs?

Zzippy

inisboffin wrote: »

From the vids I saw the inflatable thing is up! Might have been way worse without? Who knows.

Dominic St looks like it was flooded from the canal, and it came down the lane at the back of Róisín and by the playground. Wonder if they screwed up the loughs?

If they closed gates on the weir, which they normally do when a storm surge is forecast, more water will go down the Eglinton Canal, but not enough to cause that flooding - look at the drop in levels with the lock gate behind the Roisin and the weir beside the fishery watchtower. This was all a highish spring tide at the worst possible time, coinciding with a big storm surge driven in by the westerly wind. The water will back up the canal and overtop the banks. The extra water coming down the canal won't help but is not the cause of the flooding, and if they didn't close gates there would be a huge amount more water coming down the river which would certainly be a problem at high tide.

ben.schlomo

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Another embarrassment for the city council and planners, it shouldn’t be that hard to have a adequate drainage system in place, over all it’s not that powerful of a storm but because of inadequatancy of our greedy (un) elected representatives it’s ,aide out to be a lot ,ore devastating. Shop street our
Was covered in large pools of inpasable water at lunch time today. This is simply not good enough

Flooding got to your keyboard by the looks of it.

inisboffin

Zzippy wrote: »

If they closed gates on the weir, which they normally do when a storm surge is forecast, more water will go down the Eglinton Canal, but not enough to cause that flooding - look at the drop in levels with the lock gate behind the Roisin and the weir beside the fishery watchtower. This was all a highish spring tide at the worst possible time, coinciding with a big storm surge driven in by the westerly wind. The water will back up the canal and overtop the banks. The extra water coming down the canal won't help but is not the cause of the flooding, and if they didn't close gates there would be a huge amount more water coming down the river which would certainly be a problem at high tide.

Yeah I just saw a video from a friend in which the canal looked exceptionally high above the back of the Róisín - a level I've never seen before, so I guess it is a combination like you say.

Del2005

They have massive sea walls/dykes and pumps. But in Ireland we won't let sea walls be built as they ruin the view of the people who are going to be flooded!

J.pilkington

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Another embarrassment for the city council and planners, it shouldn’t be that hard to have a adequate drainage system in place, over all it’s not that powerful of a storm but because of inadequatancy of our greedy (un) elected representatives it’s ,aide out to be a lot ,ore devastating. Shop street our
Was covered in large pools of inpasable water at lunch time today. This is simply not good enough

Care to offer any guidance on how the council could have better dealt with the highest water levels recorded since records began 25 years ago? I don’t see anything constructive in your rant.

People would take your posts serious if you offered something other than a pop at the council.

Whatever they did to piss you off must be life threatening for you to dedicate your life to your cause, or did you once mention they didn’t reply to one of your many complaint letters?

Mrs OBumble

J.pilkington wrote: »

Care to offer any guidance on how the council could have better dealt with the highest water levels recorded since records began 25 years ago? I don’t see anything constructive in your rant.

People would take your posts serious if you offered something other than a pop at the council.

Indeed - remembering that the challenge is to stop the sea from being pushed up over the banks / walls etc, not just to take rainfall away.

Wompa1

There'a floodmap kept by the OPW :http://www.floodmaps.ie

But it doesn't look accurate. I noticed that Kinvara flooded too this time, which from what I understand is a first in a few years after local took matters into their own hands and built trenches to funnel the water back out.

At this stage, I'm wondering where isn't at risk of this kind of flooding.

From reports, it's looking like this has flooded Galway City, Oranmore, Clarinbridge and Kinvara...at least. I would image it would have flooded part of Kilcolgan and maybe Ballindereen too considering their proximity to both.

Anybody else got more info on where has flooded and where hasn't?

Whereisgalway

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Indeed - remembering that the challenge is to stop the sea from being pushed up over the banks / walls etc, not just to take rainfall away.

Plenty of city’s around the world have higher water levels than we do. Remember water levels and rain fall are differant. No excuse for large puddles of water on shop street any time it rains

by stopping the sea going over the bar the water get redirected elsewhere. Any guesses on where it went? Consultants very paid a lot of money for their expertise’s on water management

Subtle

My two cents... I do think the council needs to take some responsibility, mostly for the unnecessary damage caused to cars on the prom and in the car parks there. It was near certain last night that there would be flooding today in these areas, and yet the county council did not think it prudent to close off the areas or at least put up warning signs that flooding was expected.

I think it's understandable and acceptable that some people were not aware of the weather warning - however, it is not acceptable that the county council might not have been aware of it and did not take appropriate measures. A load of cars were unnecessarily submerged in the car parks this evening and other cars trapped trying to drive the prom. Yeah, I know, foolish and all that, but the car parks and prom road should have been closed off well before high tide. It actually took a good half an hour before the guards, not the council, actually went about closing off the road after the flooding started. At that stage it was too late and the delay almost resulted in a more serious incident after an oldish lady got trapped in her car on the prom.

It's also very frustrating seeing people returning to their cars after work only to find that they're destroyed when the council and the man on the street here knew that flooding was almost a certainty. This damage and potential risk to life was entirely avoidable had the council acted on the weather warnings, rather than waiting and seeing, and then sending crews out only afterwards to clean up...

Sorry, rant over!

Storm 10

That so called barrier at the Spanish Arch was a joke it was bobbing around in the high water , the tide came into the docks across the road flooding all the area up to Domnick Street, the Claddagh, Munster Ave, the Spanish Arch and so on, that barrier is useless.

Zzippy

Wompa1 wrote: »

There'a floodmap kept by the OPW :http://www.floodmaps.ie

But it doesn't look accurate. I noticed that Kinvara flooded too this time, which from what I understand is a first in a few years after local took matters into their own hands and built trenches to funnel the water back out.

At this stage, I'm wondering where isn't at risk of this kind of flooding.

From reports, it's looking like this has flooded Galway City, Oranmore, Clarinbridge and Kinvara...at least. I would image it would have flooded part of Kilcolgan and maybe Ballindereen too considering their proximity to both.

Anybody else got more info on where has flooded and where hasn't?

Kinvara has flooded recently (Ophelia) and on other occasions in the past. The quayside area is prone to it. As seen in Clarinbridge, Oranmore and Galway this evening, when you get a storm surge into the bay it gets funnelled higher as the bay narrows and low-lying coastal areas will flood, very little you can do about it.

Subtle wrote: »

My two cents... I do think the council needs to take some responsibility, mostly for the unnecessary damage caused to cars on the prom and in the car parks there. It was near certain last night that there would be flooding today in these areas, and yet the county council did not think it prudent to close off the areas or at least put up warning signs that flooding was expected.

I think it's understandable and acceptable that some people were not aware of the weather warning - however, it is not acceptable that the county council might not have been aware of it and did not take appropriate measures. A load of cars were unnecessarily submerged in the car parks this evening and other cars trapped trying to drive the prom. Yeah, I know, foolish and all that, but the car parks and prom road should have been closed off well before high tide. It actually took a good half an hour before the guards, not the council, actually went about closing off the road after the flooding started. At that stage it was too late and the delay almost resulted in a more serious incident after an oldish lady got trapped in her car on the prom.

It's also very frustrating seeing people returning to their cars after work only to find that they're destroyed when the council and the man on the street here knew that flooding was almost a certainty. This damage and potential risk to life was entirely avoidable had the council acted on the weather warnings, rather than waiting and seeing, and then sending crews out only afterwards to clean up...

Sorry, rant over!

I think I read that the entrance to the car park was cordoned off on Saturday morning before Storm Dylan but people were driving in the exit to park. There is only so much the local authority can do - they haven't the resources to tow cars to safety. People need to take some personal responsibility. Too many people go around all day without once listening to a news report or weather forecast on the radio or tv - remaining oblivious to current affairs is one thing, but you're going to miss vital public service announcements and warnings if you want to keep your head in the clouds.

J.pilkington

J.pilkington wrote:

Care to offer any guidance on how the council could have better dealt with the highest water levels recorded since records began 25 years ago? I don’t see anything constructive in your rant.

For one they could have issued some warnings early on rather than putting one out on Facebook at 6:56pm warning people of high tides and flooding from 5-6pm. That alone shows what a joke they are.

gordongekko

Zzippy wrote: »

I think I read that the entrance to the car park was cordoned off on Saturday morning before Storm Dylan but people were driving in the exit to park

I saw this happen myself.

There comes a point when people need to take personal responsibility for their actions. There was a well notified orange weather warning in place. Parking your car in a closed car park that's likely to flood during an orange weather warning is just daft.

Fann Linn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For one they could have issued some warnings early on rather than putting one out on Facebook at 6:56pm warning people of high tides and flooding from 5-6pm. That alone shows what a joke they are.

Threats of flooding on Atlantic coasts were forecast by Met Eireann today.

Storm 10

Kinvara tonight

https://www.facebook.com/Jftaxi/videos/1730714843670319/

And many people may not have seen met eireanns warning. A lot of the reports on the storm were down playing it and unless you were checking met.ie there wasn't a whole lot about it beyond the usual reporting. Neither the Irish Independent or Times had it as their top story and there was no real information in the article. Even if it was all over the place, the council should still have put something out before it began. Or do you think issuing a warning 1 hour and 56 minutes after it began is acceptable?

The met eireann warning was for south Galway and not many would class the city as bring in the south of the county. The council messed HP due to woeful communication.

The Nutty M

Subtle wrote: »

My two cents... I do think the council needs to take some responsibility, mostly for the unnecessary damage caused to cars on the prom and in the car parks there. It was near certain last night that there would be flooding today in these areas, and yet the county council did not think it prudent to close off the areas or at least put up warning signs that flooding was expected.

I think it's understandable and acceptable that some people were not aware of the weather warning - however, it is not acceptable that the county council might not have been aware of it and did not take appropriate measures. A load of cars were unnecessarily submerged in the car parks this evening and other cars trapped trying to drive the prom. Yeah, I know, foolish and all that, but the car parks and prom road should have been closed off well before high tide. It actually took a good half an hour before the guards, not the council, actually went about closing off the road after the flooding started. At that stage it was too late and the delay almost resulted in a more serious incident after an oldish lady got trapped in her car on the prom.

It's also very frustrating seeing people returning to their cars after work only to find that they're destroyed when the council and the man on the street here knew that flooding was almost a certainty. This damage and potential risk to life was entirely avoidable had the council acted on the weather warnings, rather than waiting and seeing, and then sending crews out only afterwards to clean up...

Sorry, rant over!

For fear you dont know or haven't heard, worse flooding and higher tides are forecast in the morning. This should give you ample time to park the car on the prom and feature on Rte news like that clown in the chequered roof mini.

Storm 10

Clarinbridge

https://www.facebook.com/GalwayAdvertiser/posts/10156121922826941

Whereisgalway

Zzippy wrote: »

I think I read that the entrance to the car park was cordoned off on Saturday morning before Storm Dylan but people were driving in the exit to park. There is only so much the local authority can do - .

So they closed off the entrance barrier but not the barrier right beside, couldn’t make this up!! Basel faulty isn’t a patch on on our local authority

dok_golf

Whereisgalway wrote: »

So they closed off the entrance barrier but not the barrier right beside, couldn’t make this up!! Basel faulty isn’t a patch on on our local authority

If they hadn't left the exit open, how would the cars parked there get out as the owner's that took heed of the weather warning moved them out of harm's way?

Atlantic Dawn

High water is 5.39am in the morning, will be 4.97 metres.

Zzippy

Whereisgalway wrote: »

So they closed off the entrance barrier but not the barrier right beside, couldn’t make this up!! Basel faulty isn’t a patch on on our local authority

Anyone relying on the council for information on the weather is an idiot.

The council has a set of requirements to fulfil in the event of adverse weather conditions. Being the source of up to the minute info is not one of them

roshje

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone relying on the council for information on the weather is an idiot.

The council has a set of requirements to fulfil in the event of adverse weather conditions. Being the source of up to the minute info is not one of them

Do Galway Co. Council have email or text alert system for adverse weather conditions? Cork Co. Council do and it works quite well once you are signed up to it.

joeKel73

This sort of flooding will hit the city even worse in the future if the harbour redevelopment goes ahead - funneling any storm surge in the bay right into the docks and Spanish arch.

Whereisgalway

dok_golf wrote: »

If they hadn't left the exit open, how would the cars parked there get out as the owner's that took heed of the weather warning moved them out of harm's way?

Won’t let me upload a pic but something as simple as one way traffic plates.

youngrun

Subtle wrote: »

My two cents... I do think the council needs to take some responsibility, mostly for the unnecessary damage caused to cars on the prom and in the car parks there. It was near certain last night that there would be flooding today in these areas, and yet the county council did not think it prudent to close off the areas or at least put up warning signs that flooding was expected.

I think it's understandable and acceptable that some people were not aware of the weather warning - however, it is not acceptable that the county council might not have been aware of it and did not take appropriate measures. A load of cars were unnecessarily submerged in the car parks this evening and other cars trapped trying to drive the prom. Yeah, I know, foolish and all that, but the car parks and prom road should have been closed off well before high tide. It actually took a good half an hour before the guards, not the council, actually went about closing off the road after the flooding started. At that stage it was too late and the delay almost resulted in a more serious incident after an oldish lady got trapped in her car on the prom.

It's also very frustrating seeing people returning to their cars after work only to find that they're destroyed when the council and the man on the street here knew that flooding was almost a certainty. This damage and potential risk to life was entirely avoidable had the council acted on the weather warnings, rather than waiting and seeing, and then sending crews out only afterwards to clean up...

Sorry, rant over!

Surely has to be personal responsibility as well? ie Read/listen to the news and move your car? Storm was flagged in advance. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/orange-wind-warning-in-place-as-storm-eleanor-set-to-bring-winds-of-130kmh-820931.html . fast moving.
Council cant control the weather
It could ban cars or block roads, ban parking , or any movement of people along prom/salthill in advance of any weather warning which would probably work, alternately put in some massive booms or build huge stone walls to stop river/sea water overtopping a la back of golf course, this could work along Prom, Spanish arch, docks etc ?

Cheshire Cat

roshje wrote: »

Do Galway Co. Council have email or text alert system for adverse weather conditions? Cork Co. Council do and it works quite well once you are signed up to it.

The City Council does. Got this text yesterday at 10:26am:

"Orange wind warning: Storm Eleanor expected to sweep across Ireland with 'damaging' gusts of 130km/h. Take care. GCC"

Now the Council bashers will say that wasn't enough, but I honestly can't understand how people could have missed an orange weather warning. You simply can't spoonfed everybody!

Laviski

more important question - did anyone swim in the sea? :pac:

McTigs

Did it flood again this morning?

biko

Docks were fine. I don't know about Salthill.

_Puma_

Going by MT's posts on the weather forum it looks like the intensity and track of the storm only really became apparent at 4pm when data from the storm was picked up by the weather buoys. It sounds like Met Eireann could do with more more buoys out in the Atlantic. Definitely a perfect combination for flooding in Galway due to high spring tide, huge storm surge(which was the most damaging factor) and westerly wind direction (more northerly track of the storm than forecast). Hopefully these factors can be taken into account for future warnings in Galway. I'm afraid the current Met Eireann colour warning system just isn't enough to predict flooding events like what we saw last night. The local authorities need to learn some lessons from this.

MadYaker

If you live 20 metres from the worlds second largest ocean it is your own responsibility to pay attention to weather forecasts during the winter. If you're none the wiser and you park your car in those carparks (which have been flooded multiple times in recent memory) and your car gets written off that is your own fault and not the councils for not closing the carpark or the road. Common sense and a bit of personal responsibility is sorely lacking these days.

I'm at a loss as to what exactly the council are supposed to do to stop a huge tide from flooding areas that are only a few feet above sea level? Adequate flood defences to prevent all flooding is way beyond the financial means of Galway.

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

If you live 20 metres from the worlds second largest ocean it is your own responsibility to pay attention to weather forecasts during the winter. If you're none the wiser and you park your car in those carparks (which have been flooded multiple times in recent memory) and your car gets written off that is your own fault and not the councils for not closing the carpark or the road. Common sense and a bit of personal responsibility is sorely lacking these days.

I'm at a loss as to what exactly the council are supposed to do to stop a huge tide from flooding areas that are only a few feet above sea level? Adequate flood defences to prevent all flooding is way beyond the financial means of Galway.

I think some people only want responsibility when it suits them

Storm 10

J o e wrote: »

This sort of flooding will hit the city even worse in the future if the harbour redevelopment goes ahead - funneling any storm surge in the bay right into the docks and Spanish arch.

This flooding was going to happen if the docks was never there, are you going to blame the docks for the flooding in Salthilll, Oranmore Clarinbridge and Kinvara as well, you cant hold back a storm like this with the right conditions for a storm surge IE: low pressure with the storm centre near Galway ,full moon, extremely high tide and storm force winds which all came together to cause the flooding and the storm surge..

joeKel73

Storm 10 wrote: »

This flooding was going to happen if the docks was never there, are you going to blame the docks for the flooding in Salthilll, Oranmore Clarinbridge and Kinvara as well, you cant hold back a storm like this with the right conditions for a storm surge IE: low pressure with the storm centre near Galway ,full moon, extremely high tide and storm force winds which all came together to cause the flooding and the storm surge..

Try re-reading my post. The same combination of weather/tide conditions will likely hit the city even worse in the future if the harbour redevelopment goes ahead.

Yes we got flooded now with everything as-is. But we could be hit much worse from storm surges in the future if the new harbour development channels it into the city.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/warning-of-more-severe-flooding-in-galway-if-harbour-expansion-approved-1.2066274

schemingbohemia

I've heard tell of some people deliberately leaving their cars in Salthill when floods are predicted to get the insurance, would be interesting to see how many cars arrived in the area after 4pm.....

McTigs

schemingbohemia wrote: »

I've heard tell of some people deliberately leaving their cars in Salthill when floods are predicted to get the insurance, would be interesting to see how many cars arrived in the area after 4pm.....

I'm pretty sure there is a "You utter flute" clause written in to most insurance contracts.

Storm Alert x high tide x history of flooding in the area where parked = Jog on you utter flute

Mearings

I hope that the company who insures chequerboard topped minis have not looked at today's Irish Independent news web site. A would-be submariner was filmed driving along the Prom during Eleanor's visit.

Ludikrus

schemingbohemia wrote: »

I've heard tell of some people deliberately leaving their cars in Salthill when floods are predicted to get the insurance, would be interesting to see how many cars arrived in the area after 4pm.....

You'd only get market value, after all the hassle and a claim on your record. That's best case and the insurance company don't deem the event avoidable. A lot easier to just sell the car.

Atlantic Dawn

Mearings wrote: »

I hope that the company that insures chequerboard topped minis have not looked at today's Irish Independent news web site. A would-be submariner was filmed driving along the Prom during Eleanor's visit.

Hopefully they had a dashcam and filmed the whole thing, I think this is the same car here...


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0103/930749-storm-eleanor/

topper75

McTigs wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there is a "You utter flute" clause written in to most insurance contracts.

Storm Alert x high tide x history of flooding in the area where parked = Jog on you utter flute

Ludikrus wrote: »

You'd only get market value, after all the hassle and a claim on your record. That's best case and the insurance company don't deem the event avoidable. A lot easier to just sell the car.

OK - so we are talking about genuine, honest, straightforward, gormless, tuned-out, pigheaded stupidity here in each and every case in Salthill?

More plentiful than I had thought then.

I was sure there was some elaborate scam that I wasn't getting.

Atlantic Dawn

The Mini driver, it's a petrol version too, I don't know how it didn't get hydrolocked with the amount of water washing around it...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/storms/cool-calm-and-collected-the-driver-of-the-mini-that-took-on-storm-eleanor-says-it-was-a-walk-in-the-park-36455718.html

Whereisgalway

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The Mini driver, it's a petrol version too, I don't know how it didn't get hydrolocked with the amount of water washing around it...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/storms/cool-calm-and-collected-the-driver-of-the-mini-that-took-on-storm-eleanor-says-it-was-a-walk-in-the-park-36455718.html

Hope she enjoys her 15mins of fame