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January 2018 Boards weather forecast contest

  • 28-12-2017 2:06am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭


    Welcome to the 2018 Boards weather forecast series ... we hope to see a few new entrants this year as well as all the regulars back for more of the MTC ritual torture (much of it self-inflicted as it turns out ...) :D:eek:

    So if you're a regular you won't read this and if you're new you may need to read it twice ...

    We ask five routine questions and add a bonus, and in this instalment I am adding the points structure for your interest.

    1. Predict the IMT ("Irish Mean Temperature") which is the average for five selected locations (1981-2010 averages in brackets), namely Claremorris (4.9 C), Mullingar (4.6 C), Casement and Carlow Oak Park (both 5.1) and Shannon (6.0) for an overall "normal" mean of 5.1 ... this part is worth 25 points and you lose one point per 0.1 deg error.

    2. Predict the MAX (highest temperature from recorded daily highs from the 25 regular reporting stations on the met.ie website), the normal value is set at 13.0. This is worth 20 points and errors of 0.1 reduce your score from that value.

    3. Predict the MIN (lowest temperature ... see 2 above ... value is set at -7.0 and this is also worth 20 points, same error reductions.

    4. Predict the PRC (precip in mm, which includes the liquid equivalent of snowfall on average 10 cm snow reduces to 10 mm precip, and we use eleven stations to determine this average, the five mentioned in part 1 above, and also Malin Head, Belmullet, Ballyhaise, Cork, Valentia, and Johnstown Castle. Average amounts for your guidance would be 60 to 150 mm, probably around 110 mm for the eleven station mean, but in any case your forecast should be a percentage not an actual amount. 100% would mean you expect normal amounts, 200% means twice normal etc. This part is worth 15 points and you lose 1 point for every 3% (rounded off) of error, so let's say you predict 90% and reality is 106%, that's 16/3 or 5 (rounded off) deducted so you score 10.

    5. Predict the SUN which is also a percentage of normal sunshine at six selected locations (Belmullet, Casement, Dublin, Cork, Shannon, Valentia). In January, the daily average is near 2 hours a day to give you some idea, there doesn't have to be a summery spell to push above that. This portion is worth 10 points, and errors are calculated in increments of 5% rounded off; for example, if you predict 80% and reality is 92%, then you lose 12/5 points which rounds off to 2, and you score 8.

    6. Each month there is a bonus question worth 10 points. These are scored in rank order and the absolute error does not matter much, although I use it to determine how to cluster the scores when I need to have more than an equal number on one score.

    This month (the adept regulars will have scrolled down to here to avoid my lecture above) the bonus question asks you to predict the strongest sustained wind and gust speed in knots. Locations for both (they could be different) will be worth a point each if correct and the two values will be scored out of 4. You can earn superbonus points here -- 4+4+1+1 will get 2 superbonus, any combination that reaches nine will get 1 superbonus.

    Here's my forecast (which I may edit by the deadline), use this as a template but change all the numbers or locations to those you want to predict.

    It helps me organize the tables faster if people use this template as shown (name first) ...

    M.T. Cranium _________ 4.2 __ 13.3 __ --8.0 __ 115 __ 119 __ 55,80 (Mace, Malin)

    (that last part means I expect a sustained wind max of 55 knots at Mace Head and a top gust to 80 knots at Malin Head.)

    Note: The wind speeds must occur at one of the 25 regular met.ie sites, not Fastnet Lighthouse or your hand-held aneomometer on top of a mountain. :)


    Deadline for on-time entries is always 0300h of 1st day of each month.

    Late penalties are going to be slightly relaxed for 2018. They were running 1 point per 3h late, now it will be 1 point per 4h late to 1500h 2nd followed by 1 point per hour after that (9 points would be accumulated by then).

    And for New Years, I will further relax the late penalties to 1 point any time before 1500h, then further points every six hours , so it's only going to be five accumulated points by 2nd (1500h), however, any prediction of MAX, MIN or wind speed that matches a value available to a late entrant will attract the same penalties. This continues on with the larger penalties after the 3rd so if you wanted to wait until let's say the 6th to nail those wind predictions, you would be looking at such massive penalties that you might score negative, and when people do that, we have a minimum score of 10/100 for any entry.


    Regulars also know these details -- there are two annual competitions, one is the Boards award which is based on your ten best scores out of however many you have (10, 11 or 12 are needed to qualify). Then there's the MTC Award going to the highest total score, you can try your luck with 11/12 but it usually takes the full set to top the field in this one. And we keep track of seasonal efforts too, unfortunately for new talent, December 2017 counts towards winter in this four seasons award and you're already d.q.'d from that season if you didn't enter December.

    One final note (again known to our regular crew) ... scores for any element that fall below a defined "minimum progression" get boosted to that minimum progression. This is to equalize monthly scoring for the purposes of dropping two low scores, we don't want everyone to be dropping the same months. However, you can gain an advantage here by scoring within 2 points of the maximum in any category, then if others need a boost, they only get half of the usual increase. Here's an example, let's say rainfall is only 40% and almost everyone predicts above 80, but one clever soul predicts 46%. They get a raw score of 13/15. With minimum progression, that's boosted to 15, but every other boost is cut in half. The next closest forecast might be 81% which would be worth only 1 point in raw scoring. Normally that would go to 14, but in this case the 13 point boost is cut in half to 7 and they get 8 points. Etc etc. This has happened once or twice, it rewards those who are daring and get it close. But in my example, if somebody had gone for 56% (raw score 10/15) then while they would still get the max (15) the next closest would go to 14. (note also, for SUN the highest score must be 9/10 or 10/10 to activate the reduced min prog; for bonus, this feature does not apply; also, minimum progression cannot lower your raw score so it can be applied to some portions of the scoring).

    Well, good luck and I hope to see some new entrants enjoying our fun contests, you'll be surprised at the skill level of Con Sensus, gender unknown, often quite close to the mark, NormaL not so much (except maybe this month of Dec 2017).

    Scoring is posted within 3-4 days of month end and is based on official data provided in Met Eireann's "Monthly Summary" as well as notes taken from daily and weekly summaries.


Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Stations on the East Coast are generally drier than those on the West.
    In January, Baldonnel expects about 65mm and Valentia 175mm.
    Were we to have an extra 65mm at Baldonnel, would that increase Baldonnel's contribution to 200%?
    However, if that same 65mm were to fall at Valentia, would that increase Valentia's total to just 137% (175+65)*100/175)?
    Or do you just add all the rainfall totals together for the entire country?

    In the first half of the year, there is less daylight in the first half of the month. In March this is about 2 hours in each station between the 1st & 30th March.
    Perhaps, I were to think that we were to get unending sunshine from 1-15 March, and totally cloudy from 16-30 March.
    Would I propose that there would be exactly 50% sunshine, or would I expect less than 50%, as there is greater daylight in the second half of the month?

    And how many Angels can dance on the head of a needle?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Bsal _________ 4.9 __ 12.8 __ --7.0 __ 125 __ 102 __ 53,71 (Belmullet, Mace Head)


  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭waterways


    Tae laidir wrote: »
    And how many Angels can dance on the head of a needle?

    To answer your last question:
    plenty, uncountable many when holding hands :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    john mac_________ 4.9 __ 12.9__ -5.9 __ 105__ 98 __ 46,70 (Mace, knock)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    sryanbruen _________ 4.6 __ 13.2 __ -8.0 __ 110 __ 90 __ 50,70 (Mace, Malin)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭kindredspirit


    Kindred Spirit. ___ 4.9 ___ 12.9 ___ -7.0 ___ 112 ___ 92 ___ 50, 80 (Malin Head, Belmullet.)


  • Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭dasa29


    dasa29 _________ 5.0 __ 13.5 __ --6.0 __ 120 __ 100 __ 45,55 (Sherkin island, Malin Head)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    Joe Public _________ 2.9 __ 13.6 __ -9.4 __ 102 __ 115 __ 57,78 (Belmullet, Malin)


  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭sunflower3


    sunflower3 _________ 4.8 __ 13.4 __ -6.0 __ 120 __ 95 __ 55, 68 (Malin, Malin)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,153 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    DOCARCH _________ 4.3 __ 14.1 __ -7.1 __ 85 __ 110 __ 52,69 (Malin, Malin)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    sdanseo _________ 4.0 __ 13.3 __ -9.8 __ 103 __ 111 __ 53,70 (Mace, Belmullet)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭mrskinner


    Skinner____5.3____13.7____-5.8___115___115___49,68(Malin,Malin)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    rikand ..... 5.0 ..... 13.5 ..... -6.0 ..... 90 ..... 120 ..... 58, 85 (mace, sherkin)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,466 ✭✭✭Lumi


    Lumi _________ 4.5 __ 14.1 __ -8.5 __ 110 __ 90 __ 51,79 (Malin Head, Sherkin Island)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Pauldry_________ 5.2__ 14.3 __ -6.5__ 108 __ 101 __ 50,75 (Malin Head, Mace Hd)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    mickger844posts _________ 4.8 __ 13.5 __ --7.0 __ 110 __ 115 __ 56,72 (Mace, Mace)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Jpmarn _________ 4.3 __ 13.5 __ -6.5 __ 125 __ 90 __ 58,78 (Belmullet, Dublin Airport)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    I think it's better to take an average of station averages of precip or sunshine, rather than adding them all up and comparing the sum to a normal sum.

    The fact that one location normally gets more rain or sunshine than other locations does not affect the concept that you're reporting on the mean performance of these locations relative to normal.

    There are cases where you would not want to do this in fields other than climate. For example, if you wanted to calculate the percentage of Irish people who were natural redheads, you would be better to take the total number of redheads vs the total population, and not some list of county proportions.

    But that is due to the fact that there might be a million people in one county and just fifty thousand in another. With rainfall or sunshine, there are not more locations at the sunny or wet spots than elsewhere, it's just one location. And the grid is selected to provide a fairly representative sample of the country.

    Here's an example of what could happen if we went by percentages of totals and not the average of averages. Let's say the grid of eleven stations had one location with twice the average rainfall of all the others, and those ten were the same amount.

    Then in one particular month, it just doesn't rain at all at the wet place, and there is 110% at all the others. With average of average, that comes out to 100%, while in the total method, you come to just 91%. Now both of those are probably too low to be considered truly representative, after all 89% of locations experienced 110% of average rainfall. But the 100% is not as far off as the 89%. However, if your aim was to assess the total runoff into the ocean then perhaps the absolute total method would make more sense.

    (my forecast is back in post one, think I went cool, a bit dry and a bit sunny)

    Happy New Year to you all, I have to wait a few more hours here. Sun just setting behind the mountains.


  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Tae laidir_________ 4.9 __ 14.2 __ -7.3 __ 130 __ 94 __ 53,82 (Malin, Mace)

    Thanks MT.
    On average, averaging averages is above average!

    But a sunnier end fortnight in Spring is of greater value than the first fortnight?
    And a sunnier first fortnight in Autumn is of greater value than the end fortnight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Dacogawa ____ 4.7 ____ 13.7 ____ -6.9 ____105 ____97 ..... 52, 69 (Malin, Malin)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Dacogawa ____ 4.7 ____ 13.7 ____ -6.9 ____105 ____97 ..... 52, 69 (Malin, Malin)


  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭waterways


    Morning, I'm still counting angels and forgot my numbers :angel:
    waterways _________ 4.7 __ 13.7__ --7.1 __ 134 __ 100 __ 51,75 (Mace, Belmullet)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    BLIZZARD7 ____ 1.7 ____ 14.4 ____ -13.2c ____90 ____120___ 60, 86 (Mace, Mace)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    Rameire. 4.8. 13.4. -4.9. 115. 89. 55, 72 Malin, Valencia

    Firstly apologies for the spacing, am on an irregular machine.
    Secondly, apologies for the late posting, am currently in NYC in constant minus temps and it’s playing havoc with the mind
    Thirdly. Merry New Year.
    Fourthly. Thank you M.T. Cranium for your consistent / persistent hard work.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    For the bonus question, I notice Mace Head is off to a good start on the Met eireann 5pm reports today

    MACE HEAD GALWAY(A) Wind Dir W Speed(Kts) 53 Gust 75


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,153 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Joe Public wrote: »
    For the bonus question, I notice Mace Head is off to a good start on the Met eireann 5pm reports today

    MACE HEAD GALWAY(A) Wind Dir W Speed(Kts) 53 Gust 75

    And Newport too at 1800, gust of 75kn.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,153 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Gust of 84kn at Knock AP at 1900. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Forgot, ah well. At least MT has relaxed the late penalties.

    JCXBXC_________ 4.5 __ 13.6 __ -9.0 __ 110 __ 90 __ 50,84 (Mace, Knock)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭200motels


    No internet so that's my excuse.

    200motels
    4.7 13. -6.9. 100. 84. 54, 70 Malin, Valencia


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    January 2018 -- Table of Forecasts


    FORECASTER ________ IMT _MAX _MIN _PRC _SUN ___ Max winds and gusts

    MrSkinner ___________ 5.3 _13.7 _--5.8 _115 _115 ___ 49 Malin ___68 Malin
    Pauldry______________5.2 _14.3 _--6.5 _108 _101 ___ 50 Malin ___75 Mace

    NormaL _____________ 5.1 _13.5 _--7.0 _100 _100 ___50 (*) ____ 80 (**)

    rikand ______________ 5.0 _13.5 _--6.0 _090 _120 ___ 58 Mace ___85 Sherk
    dasa29 _____________ 5.0 _13.5 _--6.0 _120 _100 ___ 45 Sherk __ 55 Malin
    Tae laidir ____________4.9 _14.2 _--7.3 _130 _094 ___ 53 Malin ___82 Mace
    john mac ____________4.9 _12.9 _--5.9 _105 _098 ___ 46 Mace ___70 Knock
    Kindred Spirit. ________4.9 _12.9 _--7.0 _112 _092 ___ 50 Malin ___80 Bel
    Bsal ________________4.9 _12.8 _--7.0 _125 _102 ___ 53 Bel ____ 71 Mace
    mickger844posts ______4.8 _13.5 _--7.0 _110 _115 ___ 56 Mace ___72 Mace
    sunflower3 __________ 4.8 _13.4 _--6.0 _120 _095 ___ 55 Malin ___68 Malin
    Rameire _____ (-3) ___ 4.8 _13.4 _--4.9 _115 _089 ___ 55 Malin ___72 Val

    Con Sensus __________4.7 _13.5 _--7.0 _110 _100 ___ 52 Malin ___ 75 Malin

    Dacogawa ____ (-1) ___4.7 _13.7 _--6.9 _105 _097 ___ 52 Malin ___ 69 Malin
    waterways ____ (-1) __ 4.7 _13.7 _--7.1 _134 _100 ___ 51 Mace ___ 75 Bel
    200motels ___ (-25) ___4.7 _13.0 _--6.9 _100 _084 ___ 54 Malin ___70 Val
    sryanbruen __________ 4.6 _13.2 _--8.0 _110 _090 ___ 50 Mace ___70 Malin
    Lumi _______________ 4.5 _14.1 _--8.5 _110 _090 ___ 51 Malin ___79 Sherk
    JCXBXC ____ (-20) ___ 4.5 _13.6 _--9.0 _110 _090 ___ 50 Mace ___ 84 Knock
    DOCARCH ___________ 4.3 _14.1 _--7.1 _085 _110 ___ 52 Malin ___69 Malin
    Jpmarn _____________ 4.3 _13.5 _--6.5 _125 _090 ___ 58 Bel ____ 78 DubA
    M.T. Cranium ________ 4.2 _13.3 _--8.0 _115 _119 ___ 55 Mace ___80 Malin
    sdanseo ____________ 4.0 _13.3 _--9.8 _103 _111 ___ 53 Mace ___70 Bel
    Joe Public ___________ 2.9 _13.6 _--9.4 _102 _115 ___ 57 Bel ____ 78 Malin
    BLIZZARD7 ___ (-2) ___1.7 _14.4 _-13.2 _090 _120 ___ 60 Mace __ 86 Mace

    ____________________________________________________________

    23 entries so that the median (Con Sensus) is the 12th ranked value.

    Late penalties were relaxed at least for the first 36h, after that they would have amounted to even more than I assessed two players who entered on the 3rd, but I think these will be fair given the breaks given the earlier late forecasts. However, since JCX BXC had access to data from the 2nd, his bonus score is capped at 8 with no superbonus ... 200motels has no restrictions since he was either unaware of the marks set on the 2nd or is playing fair with lower values.

    For NormaL, the * and ** indicate that scoring for location will be based on whether the outcome is normal or less so, I will fit the points to what usually happens. For Con Sensus, here are the counts for max wind forecasts, with Con's points if these locations verify. If none of them verify, as with your forecasts, there will be partial scoring if you name 2nd or 3rd highest location (over the month).

    Station ___ Max wind ___ points ___ Max gust ___ points

    Malin ________10 ______ 2.5 ________ 8 ________ 2.5
    Mace ________ 9 _______2.0 ________ 5 ________ 2.0
    Belmullet _____ 3 ______ 1.5 ________ 3 ________ 1.5
    Sherkin Island _ 1 ______ 1.0 ________ 2 ________ 1.0

    any other _____ 0 ______ 0.0 ________ 4 ________ 0.5 or 1.0

    The other locations chosen (only for gusts) were Knock, Valentia and Dublin. Knock had 2 but one was disqualified for this purpose. Valentia had 2 votes and will score 1.0 if it verifies (for Con). Knock or Dublin will score 0.5.

    Our consensus forecast is for a rather cold January with somewhat above average precipitation (hopefully including snow?) and near average sunshine.

    Values of 53 (Mace) and 84 (Knock) were established on 2nd for the bonus question. In general, this did not influence the forecasts very much if at all, but either of these could of course be surpassed anyway.

    Good luck -- the 2017 final scoring has been posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The highest MAX so far appears to be 13.3 at Valentia on 2nd. I only checked the usual warmest spots, so if this holds up we may find a different value posted at end of month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Ballyhaise and Markee Castle both - 5.5 yesterday.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,153 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    -6.7c reported by ME at Mount Dillon this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Here's where things stand after the first week ...

    IMT was 4.7 which is 0.6 below average; the weekend more than compensated for a generally mild first five days.

    MAX is 13.4 and during the week MIN was --5.5 but has since fallen to --6.7 this morning (see above posts).

    PRC was 134% of normal. While all eleven sites were above normal, only Malin Head at 243% and Belmullet at 170% were appreciably above that average, in fact all nine of the others were below it and averaged 114%.

    SUN averaged 160% of normal (962/600) and most of that work was done over the weekend. Despite this, Casement was slightly below its average (only Sunday 7th had much sunshine there). Normal appears to be around 1.7 hours a day on average at this time of year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭pauldry


    And coming in on the inside catching everyone unawares is Athenry with -6.8c


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    pauldry wrote: »
    And coming in on the inside catching everyone unawares is Athenry with -6.8c


    Could be attributed to those low lying fields.


  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Joe Public wrote: »
    Could be attributed to those low lying fields.

    Joseph, they are taking you away!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    We interrupt your slumber for this second week update ...

    IMT now at 4.3(4) after a somewhat chilly second week that averaged 4.0 (1.2 below normal).

    MAX remains 13.4 and MIN --6.8

    PRC now 125% of normal, the second week averaged 116% and was almost the opposite of week one with heavier amounts in the south, below average in the north.

    SUN fell to 113% with this past week only 76% (456/600), the southwest was mostly overcast all week, slightly above normal values from the northwest and east.

    Getting ready for Wednesday night's possible assault on the bonus values and locations which are 53 Mace, 84 Knock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭pauldry


    A temp of 13.7c was reached in Moore Park yesterday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Well, I finally got around to doing this update ... after three weeks ...

    IMT is 4.5 C (range is 3.8 Mullingar to 5.7 Shannon) and the third week averaged 4.8 which was 0.4 below normal. It must have come up fairly sharply on Sunday 21st as the IMT for the day was 7.8 C). I think this might bounce up and down but stay in the 4's probably a bit higher at the end than now, perhaps 4.7 or 4.8 would be favoured (by latest guidance).

    MAX now 13.7 and MIN remains --6.8.

    PRC is now up to 158% as the third week was a soaker at 224% of normal. Even with 50% in the last ten days this will finish around 120% so most of us will be hoping that it stays rather dry.

    SUN is now closer to average at 107%, the past week had 95% (572/600). This is about where it might finish up as there will be some sun at times and it doesn't take much in January.

    If no further change to max and min, and my estimates are close, also bonus settled by earlier events, then highest score I can see would be Con around 87 but some of you will be close and might edge past Con if your PRC or SUN forecasts are better than my estimates. Mickger844posts has almost the same total score from my estimates (this could all change of course, just saying). NormaL would score about 80 and could edge up to meet Con if the IMT is closer to 5.1 or above. Lots of fairly decent looking scores anyway. As a group we are quite good at this, the power of many minds sort of a thing ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭pauldry


    13.8c Roches Pt.

    Tomorrows Januarys final attempt at a max. Last few days too cool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Update through four weeks ...

    IMT on 5.4 with this past week quite mild, 8.1 C (+2.8 deg). Should finish close to 5.2 C.

    PRC still very high at 153% with this past week near 140%. Likely to finish near 150%.

    SUN limping home near normal, 103% now with this past week at 92% (553/600). May rebound to above 105%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    IMT on first glance has finished at 5.4 C but I am going to check that tomorrow when the MS comes out as I thought it should drop a little from 28th value. Yesterday the IMT was 4.6 so perhaps that wasn't enough to push it down more than a second decimal. Anyway, probably was 5.4, will confirm it.

    Will check MS also for PRC and SUN, my estimates are 150% and 105%. Any value much over 140% for PRC would trigger minimum progression rules anyway, as the highest forecast we had was 134% (waterways).

    Scoring should be available some time tomorrow evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The Monthly Summary confirmed all values used except for SUN which came in higher, and I realized why after the fact, when I estimated the impact of the last three days I overlooked the 29th which had about five hours at all sites. So the three-day period had about 170% of normal sunshine, boosting the overall average to 110% of normal.

    This will generally change all scores up or down by one point. So here's the revised table.


    January 2018 scoring

    FORECASTER ________ IMT_MAX_MIN_PRC_SUN ___ Bonus ________ TOTALS

    Confirmed values _____5.4_ 13.8_--6.8_152_110__53 Mace_84 Knock

    waterways ____ (-1) __ 18 _ 19 _ 17 _ 14*_ 08 ___ 03 01 _ 02 00 _ 82-1=81
    Tae laidir ____________20 _ 15 _ 15 _ 13*_ 07 ___ 04 00 _ 04 00 ____ 78
    mickger844posts ______19 _ 17 _ 18 _ 06*_ 09 ___ 03 01 _ 02 00 ____ 75

    NormaL __________ 22 _ 17 _ 18_ 02*_ 08___03 01 _ 04 00____ 75

    Pauldry______________23 _ 15 _ 17 _ 05*_ 08 ___ 03 00 _ 02 00 ____ 73
    MrSkinner ___________ 24 _ 19 _ 10 _ 08*_ 09 ___ 02 00 _ 01 00 ____ 73

    Con Sensus __________18 _ 17 _ 18 _ 06*_ 08 ___ 04 00 _ 02 00 ____ 73

    Dacogawa ____ (-1) ___18 _ 19 _ 19 _ 04*_ 07 ___ 04 00 _ 01 00 _72-1=71
    Jpmarn _____________ 14 _ 17 _ 17 _ 12*_ 06 ___ 02 00 _ 03 00 ____ 71
    dasa29 _____________ 21 _ 17 _ 12 _ 10*_ 08 ___ 01 00 _ 00 00 ____ 69
    sunflower3 __________ 19 _ 16 _ 12 _ 10*_ 07 ___ 03 00 _ 01 00 ____ 68
    Rikand ______________21 _ 17 _ 12 _ 01*_ 08 ___ 02 01 _ 04 00 ____ 66
    Bsal ________________20 _ 00 _ 18 _ 12*_ 08 ___ 04 00 _ 01 00 ____ 63
    DOCARCH ___________ 14 _ 17 _ 17 _ 00 _ 10 ___ 04 00 _ 01 00 ____ 63
    M.T. Cranium ________ 13 _ 15 _ 08 _ 08*_ 08 ___ 03 01 _ 04 00 ____ 60
    Kindred Spirit. ________20 _ 01 _ 18 _ 07*_ 06 ___ 03 00 _ 04 00 ____ 59
    sryanbruen __________ 17 _ 14 _ 08 _ 06*_ 06 ___ 03 01 _ 01 00 ____ 56
    Lumi _______________ 16 _ 17 _ 03 _ 06*_ 06 ___ 03 00 _ 03 00 ____ 54
    Rameire _____ (-3) ___ 19 _ 16 _ 01 _ 08*_ 06 ___ 03 00 _ 02 00 _55-3=52
    john mac ____________20 _ 01 _ 11 _ 04*_ 08 ___ 01 01 _ 01 01 ____ 48
    sdanseo _____________11 _ 15 _ 00 _ 03*_ 10 ___ 04 01 _ 01 00 ____ 45
    200motels ___ (-25) ___18 _ 12 _ 19 _ 02*_ 05 ___ 04 00 _ 01 00 _61-25=36
    Joe Public ___________ 00 _ 18 _ 00 _ 03*_ 09 ___ 02 00 _ 03 00 ____ 35
    JCXBXC ____ (-20) ____16 _ 18 _ 00 _ 06*_ 06 ___ 03 01 _ 04 01^_54-20=34
    BLIZZARD7 ___ (-2) ___00 _ 14 _ 00 _ 01*_ 08 ___ 01 01 _ 04 00 _29-2=27

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    * Minimum progression rule was necessary for PRC, highest forecast was 134%, did not qualify to limit boosted scores (131 to 137 would have done so).

    Scoring for max wind and location was based on 4 points for wind values and 1 for correct location, disregard discussion below forecast entries as that was based on a different scoring assumption. Nobody qualified for superbonus scoring (one did but was capped at 8 points by later entry than events, ^symbol indicates one point not counted when 8 points reached).

    Assuming all other variables are confirmed by MS, the SUN scoring is based on 105% and will be adjusted where necessary after final reporting.

    Actual forecasts

    FORECASTER ________ IMT _MAX _MIN _PRC _SUN ___ Max winds and gusts

    MrSkinner ___________ 5.3 _13.7 _--5.8 _115 _115 ___ 49 Malin ___68 Malin
    Pauldry______________5.2 _14.3 _--6.5 _108 _101 ___ 50 Malin ___75 Mace

    NormaL _____________ 5.1 _13.5 _--7.0 _100 _100 ___50 (*) ____ 80 (**)

    rikand ______________ 5.0 _13.5 _--6.0 _090 _120 ___ 58 Mace ___85 Sherk
    dasa29 _____________ 5.0 _13.5 _--6.0 _120 _100 ___ 45 Sherk __ 55 Malin
    Tae laidir ____________4.9 _14.2 _--7.3 _130 _094 ___ 53 Malin ___82 Mace
    john mac ____________4.9 _12.9 _--5.9 _105 _098 ___ 46 Mace ___70 Knock
    Kindred Spirit. ________4.9 _12.9 _--7.0 _112 _092 ___ 50 Malin ___80 Bel
    Bsal ________________4.9 _12.8 _--7.0 _125 _102 ___ 53 Bel ____ 71 Mace
    mickger844posts ______4.8 _13.5 _--7.0 _110 _115 ___ 56 Mace ___72 Mace
    sunflower3 __________ 4.8 _13.4 _--6.0 _120 _095 ___ 55 Malin ___68 Malin
    Rameire _____ (-3) ___ 4.8 _13.4 _--4.9 _115 _089 ___ 55 Malin ___72 Val

    Con Sensus __________4.7 _13.5 _--7.0 _110 _100 ___ 52 Malin ___ 75 Malin

    Dacogawa ____ (-1) ___4.7 _13.7 _--6.9 _105 _097 ___ 52 Malin ___ 69 Malin
    waterways ____ (-1) __ 4.7 _13.7 _--7.1 _134 _100 ___ 51 Mace ___ 75 Bel
    200motels ___ (-25) ___4.7 _13.0 _--6.9 _100 _084 ___ 54 Malin ___70 Val
    sryanbruen __________ 4.6 _13.2 _--8.0 _110 _090 ___ 50 Mace ___70 Malin
    Lumi _______________ 4.5 _14.1 _--8.5 _110 _090 ___ 51 Malin ___79 Sherk
    JCXBXC ____ (-20) ____4.5 _13.6 _--9.0 _110 _090 ___ 50 Mace ___ 84 Knock
    DOCARCH ___________ 4.3 _14.1 _--7.1 _085 _110 ___ 52 Malin ___69 Malin
    Jpmarn _____________ 4.3 _13.5 _--6.5 _125 _090 ___ 58 Bel ____ 78 DubA
    M.T. Cranium ________ 4.2 _13.3 _--8.0 _115 _119 ___ 55 Mace ___80 Malin
    sdanseo ____________ 4.0 _13.3 _--9.8 _103 _111 ___ 53 Mace ___70 Bel
    Joe Public ___________ 2.9 _13.6 _--9.4 _102 _115 ___ 57 Bel ____ 78 Malin
    BLIZZARD7 ___ (-2) ___1.7 _14.4 _-13.2 _090 _120 ___ 60 Mace __ 86 Mace

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    Congrats to waterways, tae laidir and mickger844posts for leading the way in the first contest of 2018, generally good scoring results for most.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Final scoring now posted, earlier table was correct other than one point adjustments for a higher outcome for SUN.

    Everything finished above normal and for IMT and PRC above all of our forecasts. Only seven SUN forecasts were above the outcome. And while our consensus on mean wind speed was good, the high value of the gust was above all but two forecasts (a third was on the money but entered after that event, most of the penalty for this occurred in the overall late rap).

    So as it now says above, congrats to waterways, tae laidir and mickger844posts for leading the way, and also to Mr Skinner and Pauldry for coming closest to the IMT. This helped them to join the above three in beating or equalling Con Sensus although NormaL eclipsed all but the top three this month.


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