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An honest view from a GAA Secretary

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭kala85


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I stopped going to games as I was always asked to do umpire.

    And you probably had to pay in at the gate for the privilege to do so as well!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I stopped going to games as I was always asked to do umpire.


    And you thought you were playing corner forward!


  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭krazyklown


    It's a sad demise to hear people who were heavily involved not inclined to go to games anymore for fear of getting a job. I think it's the same story everywhere. The workload heaped on has made these roles untenable for most people. This is a massive problem as most people want to be involved in actual club work not administration duties for a benign county board that cares little for the club.
    I also hate the payment of managers, but this role too has become extremely burdensome also. For me, if anyone is to be paid it would be a coach to go into the schools as that's where I believe we need greater traction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Not trying to be smart but if coaches are being paid and costing clubs valuable money why isnt it reported to your county board and/or the taxman?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I stopped going to games as I was always asked to do umpire.


    And you thought you were playing corner forward!
    what do you mean by that?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    I know it is after New Years, and there's hangovers and whatever, but some people seem to have left their sense of humour behind them..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    I know it is after New Years, and there's hangovers and whatever, but some people seem to have left their sense of humour behind them..
    genuinely don't see where the humour was.
    anyway, club agm is coming up. time for lads to avoid getting a job


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    there you go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Mick Head


    Clubs should not be paying managers anything get rid of this entire practice and the bizarre obsession clubs have with paying managers and a lot of problems in the GAA at club level would be solved.The money some managers are making from the game is scandalous.

    The biggest thing the GAA needs to realise for it's own good is to finally seperate club and county and just allow county players to solely play with the county if that is what they want.I suspect a very large number of them want to do this for most of the year and only play with their clubs if they are near winning a championship.The narrative of county players caring more about there club than county is bull crap it's just nobody wants to say it.the club game should be 100% about providing as many games as possible for club players and having a proper regular schedule of games, county players **** this idea up all the time as fixtures have to constantly be moved to suit them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,379 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    What kind of money would a reasonably successful manager be depositing in a Manx bank account?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭LooseCannonUF


    kneemos wrote: »
    What kind of money would a reasonably successful manager be depositing in a Manx bank account?

    I thought €100.

    An intermediate club in Offaly with no hope of winning the championship (they were beaten by their local rivals by 20-25 points early on in the championship), paid a certain former Roscommon GK €275-€300 a night.

    Bizarre, to say the least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 Fingal Raven1


    Im quite interested too actually, what precisely are your issues? Because to say it's the most rotten system is just nonsense. Have you any idea how the FAI go about distributing tickets for the really big internationals? No transparency whatsoever

    Not sure why you are bringing the FAI into this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 522 ✭✭✭MentalMario


    kneemos wrote: »
    What kind of money would a reasonably successful manager be depositing in a Manx bank account?


    Between €50 and €200 per session.

    I would think about €80 per session would be the normal rate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭LMK


    Well done to the OP on his post..

    I'd like to know what the ratio of training sessions to games is currently - Club and County - and what it was in 5 yearly step backs.

    Time spent training , training, training and not knowing when c'ship games are to be played results in pissed off players, managers and officials..

    S&C coaches, Tactical coaching ect involved with clubs, players should be allowed to think for themselves make mistakes learn without being told beforehand how something will turn out, its becoming too much like boring hard work ... straightforward pastime turning into a complicated one..


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭LooseCannonUF


    Between €50 and €200 per session.

    I would think about €80 per session would be the normal rate.

    Our manager wants €0
    Our manager gets €0
    €0 expenses


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Our club has a mercenary manager on board. €100 per night with a s& c coach for 6 weeks at the start of training. He wants to train 3 nights per week and a match or session ag the weekends. €400 per week for him and he has hawked about clubs for the last 15 years. He will cost €15k by seasons end.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,650 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Grueller wrote: »
    Our club has a mercenary manager on board. €100 per night with a s& c coach for 6 weeks at the start of training. He wants to train 3 nights per week and a match or session ag the weekends. €400 per week for him and he has hawked about clubs for the last 15 years. He will cost €15k by seasons end.

    How is this treated in the Club's annual accounts? We're coming into AGM season now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭LooseCannonUF


    How is this treated in the Club's annual accounts? We're coming into AGM season now.

    “Expenses”
    Did ya ever hear such 5h1t.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Grueller wrote: »
    Our club has a mercenary manager on board. €100 per night with a s& c coach for 6 weeks at the start of training. He wants to train 3 nights per week and a match or session ag the weekends. €400 per week for him and he has hawked about clubs for the last 15 years. He will cost €15k by seasons end.

    Yeah this pretty much rings true in my experience too. I was talking to a lad recently who was involved in the search for a new manager for his club (not in Dublin) - he was able to rationalise the cost on the basis that the "going rate" for a good manager was 15-20K. The lad they had in mind had a number of offers from his home county, but that he agreed to manage down here in light of the offer made.

    Coincidentally I happened across a young coach who had worked under the new man in his home county - he dropped a bollock when I told him yer man's probable remuneration down here, with him saying that the most the new man would've been offered at home was 5K :rolleyes: The lonely drive will be that bit more palatable.

    Another new man at the helm of a club within 20 miles of me has announced the senior team will be training 4 times a week and he's a local with no reason to visit a petrol station


  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭krazyklown


    Its a bit of a mad cycle - this is what i think is happening:

    You have teams like Corofin / Slaughneil etc prepared to do whatever it takes in terms of preparation and training to win an all ireland club (and kudos to them for that). They have a group of players who are prepared to put in a very high level of preparation. Any other club that harbours any ambition of beating them to win a county championship is then forced into putting in a similar effort. This means training 3+ times a week. Theres nobody whos prepared to put in that amount of effort running a team without getting some form of renumeration (that type of commitment is huge - grand when you get the joy of playing, not so much when you are involved in the management). So clubs are faced with a reality that if they dont put the money in they wont be able to get anyone to do the amount of work involved so they kind of forego the chance of wining.
    Then the other aspect is that you have someone running the team professionally, doesnt take any crap and are usually very good at what they do. Sometimes the level they are operating at is too high for the group of players they have and you wind up with fellas dropping out or regrading down to inter / junior as they just want to play for the enjoyment and the club starts to struggle.
    I think realistically its time to decide what we want at club level - at the moment some teams are operating at a near semi professional approach - do we need to step back a bit to the days of training just once or twice a week so that people can take on the job of managing a team with a reasonable time commitment without any renumeration? Focus a bit more on the enjoyment of sport.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29 dollar bill


    krazyklown wrote: »
    I think realistically its time to decide what we want at club level - at the moment some teams are operating at a near semi professional approach - do we need to step back a bit to the days of training just once or twice a week so that people can take on the job of managing a team with a reasonable time commitment without any renumeration? Focus a bit more on the enjoyment of sport.

    Very valid point,Alot of clubs are pushing towards semi professionalism mirroring the county scene,A ruthless pursuit of illegal payments at both levels is the only cure


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    krazyklown wrote: »
    I think realistically its time to decide what we want at club level - at the moment some teams are operating at a near semi professional approach - do .

    You are totally right in what you say, but on this point they are basically aping whats happening at inter county level.


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    I assume the clubs who fork out the big money on managers have a good club lotto going in oder to support these payments..

    Maybe the approach to eradicating these payments is when the lotto licence is up for review proof of how the money is used is needed to renew the licence.. all lotto takings have to be banked etc..

    It definitely feels like the bubble needs to bust on this "industry"..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    I assume the clubs who fork out the big money on managers have a good club lotto going in oder to support these payments..

    Maybe the approach to eradicating these payments is when the lotto licence is up for review proof of how the money is used is needed to renew the licence.. all lotto takings have to be banked etc..

    It definitely feels like the bubble needs to bust on this "industry"..

    lotto licence?
    its just fill a form at the local garda station


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 dollar bill


    I assume the clubs who fork out the big money on managers have a good club lotto going in oder to support these payments..

    Maybe the approach to eradicating these payments is when the lotto licence is up for review proof of how the money is used is needed to renew the licence.. all lotto takings have to be banked etc..

    It definitely feels like the bubble needs to bust on this "industry"..

    Very good idea and maybe the GAA should state that no grants be given to clubs if their are discrepancies in accounts


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Clubs often pay people from the bar till. Easy enough to hide all that, assuming they have customers!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    I dont know what other clubs do, but I would have thought most clubs are transparent with their payments? Paying coaches to be over teams is not illegal, and whether the payment is €80 or €100 or whatever, its very easy to manipulate it into a tax free expense that goes through books. 65c per mile is the agreed rate for the GPA and players, easy to use that and put the mileage up or have additional sessions on paper to account for the shortfall.

    There are obviously plenty of bluffers and spoofs going around the managers merry go round, but there are also plenty of qualified coaches who spend a lot of time working hard and in any other sport, would be getting paid well.

    I'd also question as to why clubs themselves dont stop it if they have a problem with it. If you dont want to pay a manager, then dont. There is no one forcing anyone to do anything. Spend the money otherwise being spend on managers on improving the coaching set up within the club. Have workshops, get the coaching courses run in the club. Be prepared for the future, dont be relying on mercenaries or others coming in to hawk the club for money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Well, managers are not supposed to be paid. It is in violation of association rules. Which is a myth as we all know. Our club had people in during pre-season training who were professionals and entitled to be paid, but it was still done underhandedly. I think that's what annoys people. The pretence that Anto or Mickey Joe is doing it for nothing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    nice_guy80 wrote:
    lotto licence? its just fill a form at the local garda station

    Pretty sure the licence has to be signed of by the district court but probably based on the form filled out at the station.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Clubs often pay people from the bar till. Easy enough to hide all that, assuming they have customers!

    very few clubs have bars


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