Circulars - New rates of pay from Jan 1 - 2018

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Public Service Stability Agreement 2013 – 2020 (Haddington Road Agreement/ Lansdowne Road Agreement) and the Public Service Pay and Pensions Act 2017



Further and Higher Education

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0084_2017.pdf

Further and Higher Education - Hourly paid staff

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0082_2017.pdf


Primary, Post Primary

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0083_2017.pdf


List of recent circulars.

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0083_2017.pdf

Sir123

Anyone else find it strange that allowances for pre-2011 teachers are not subject to the 1% salary increase? Another scam by government so it seems.

km79

Sir123 wrote: »

Anyone else find it strange that allowances for pre-2011 teachers are not subject to the 1% salary increase? Another scam by government so it seems.

They are getting the 1%????

Sir123

km79 wrote: »

They are getting the 1%????

Are you sure? The circular has accounted for the 1% increase in salary on the common basic scale for pre-2011 teachers, however, further down the circular, Honours Degree and Hdip allowance are the same, i.e. not inclusive of the 1%. I had just noticed this discrepancy but it clearly is important to note as it will in fact be less than a 1% increase if this is the case for pre 2011 teachers.

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In have just been reading the circular there and apparently the term 'fixed' is used to describe teachers who receive allowances. It sounds like the 1% will only be applied to salary scale. I find this very strange as the common basic scale and allowances make up teachers' pay, i.e. they go hand-in-hand.

Hence, another reason why teachers on all three pay scales should insist that their union is not bound by ICTU for the purposes of this agreement. It was rejected for a reason, and it's even more of a reason to fight having looked at this sham.

km79

Sir123 wrote: »

Are you sure? The circular has accounted for the 1% increase in salary on the common basic scale for pre-2011 teachers, however, further down the circular, Honours Degree and Hdip allowance are the same, i.e. not inclusive of the 1%. I had just noticed this discrepancy but it clearly is important to note as it will in fact be less than a 1% increase if this is the case for pre 2011 teachers.

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In have just been reading the circular there and apparently the term 'fixed' is used to describe teachers who receive allowances. It sounds like the 1% will only be applied to salary scale. I find this very strange as the common basic scale and allowances make up teachers' pay, i.e. they go hand-in-hand.

Hence, another reason why teachers on all three pay scales should insist that their union is not bound by ICTU for the purposes of this agreement. It was rejected for a reason, and it's even more of a reason to fight having looked at this sham.

Sorry I understand you now

dory

Who's getting this increase in January? I thought all unions rejected the new pay deal?

wirelessdude01

I thought that as we technically haven't signed up that we don't get it.

Sir123

dory wrote: »

Who's getting this increase in January? I thought all unions rejected the new pay deal?

INTO and TUI released a statement before the holidays, but nothing from ASTI. I'm not too sure how it's going to pan out to be honest. All I know is that the 1% increase is not a 1% increase for pre-2011 teachers.

http://www.into.ie/ROI/NewsEvents/LatestNews/Title,44262,en.php


https://www.tui.ie/news-events/public-service-pay-and-pensions-act-2017-.12002.html

km79

Sir123 wrote: »

INTO and TUI released a statement before the holidays, but nothing from ASTI. I'm not too sure how it's going to pan out to be honest. All I know is that the 1% increase is not a 1% increase for pre-2011 teachers.

http://www.into.ie/ROI/NewsEvents/LatestNews/Title,44262,en.php


https://www.tui.ie/news-events/public-service-pay-and-pensions-act-2017-.12002.html

We got all the rises under HRa even when we had not signed up

wirelessdude01

km79 wrote:

We got all the rises under HRa even when we had not signed up

Didn't the Govt pass something before Christmas that allowed them to withhold increments and pay restoration for a certain time period from those that haven't signed up or did I just seem that?

Sir123

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Didn't the Govt pass something before Christmas that allowed them to withhold increments and pay restoration for a certain time period from those that haven't signed up or did I just seem that?

That's true wirelessdude, but then I saw the circular and was wondering. At the rate it's going, they can hold onto their increase as far as I am concerned, not even a full 1% for some.

KellyXX

What was inflation over the period that covers.
I know what I'd be saying to my boss if he came to me with a 1% pay rise. That's actually a pay cut.

Tom Dunne

KellyXX wrote: »

What was inflation over the period that covers.
I know what I'd be saying to my boss if he came to me with a 1% pay rise. That's actually a pay cut.

That's a tremendously naive view of Public Sector pay and collective bargaining agreements.

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There is another increase in April and I think October for the civil service.

I can't see why teachers would get it when your unions haven't signed up to the deal...what's the point in anyone signing up if that was the case!

KellyXX

Tom Dunne wrote: »

That's a tremendously naive view of Public Sector pay and collective bargaining agreements.

So you think 1% is a good deal then . LOL

dingding

KellyXX wrote: »

So you think 1% is a good deal then . LOL

Work in the public sector and even though I got several increments and a promotion, I take home a lot less than I did in 2007

So it is better than nothing, at least it is not a reduction

dar100

Can't seem to find it, can someone tell me what the starting salary will be for new entery into further ed college? Will these changes impact starting salary ?

Dr_serious2

Is there an increment due for pre-2011 primary teachers this year?

Tom Dunne

KellyXX wrote: »

So you think 1% is a good deal then . LOL

So enlighten me - how do I get a better pay deal?

KellyXX

Tom Dunne wrote: »

So enlighten me - how do I get a better pay deal?

Going about it in a way that you are happy with 1% is certainly not the way to do it now, is it?

TheDriver

So do we all get this? Unions seem very vague in it. Pay will be up anyways due to other budget measures

honeybear

I’m a Primary Teacher and can’t see how we’d get the pay increase when we, as a union voted against it.

km79

honeybear wrote: »

I’m a Primary Teacher and can’t see how we’d get the pay increase when we, as a union voted against it.

As stated earlier ASTI members got one when outside HRA

RealJohn

TheDriver wrote: »

So do we all get this? Unions seem very vague in it. Pay will be up anyways due to other budget measures

Yeah, the raised ceiling for the higher rate of tax and the reduction in USC will affect our pay far more than this supposed 1% raise. It’ll be nice to get some more money anyway, even if the government insist on misrepresenting it.

DC

TheDriver wrote: »

So do we all get this? Unions seem very vague in it. Pay will be up anyways due to other budget measures

Yes. Everyone is getting it, regardless of each union's vote. A letter dated 18th December was sent from ICTU and had all the public sector unions attached as an appendix, including TUI, ASTI and INTO.

The 1% was almost insignificant. It was the increment freeze that scare the likes of me, an assistant lecturer at the top of the scale and due to go to lecturer grade in October.

Bananaleaf

Up a tenner a fortnight. Looks like that's just the USC changes as no 1% evident (probably because it's only 3rd Jan)

sitstill

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Up a tenner a fortnight. Looks like that's just the USC changes as no 1% evident (probably because it's only 3rd Jan)

Mine is up by €12

dory

How do ye know already??

Bananaleaf

dory wrote: »

How do ye know already??

We're paid fortnightly so paid tomorrow, get payslip emailed a day in advance

sitstill

dory wrote: »

How do ye know already??

Mine is always in my bank the Wednesday night before

sitstill

Bananaleaf wrote: »

We're paid fortnightly so paid tomorrow, get payslip emailed a day in advance

Are we able to get our payslips by email instead of post now??