Circulars - New rates of pay from Jan 1 - 2018

dingding · 23-12-2017 12:16am #1

Public Service Stability Agreement 2013 – 2020 (Haddington Road Agreement/ Lansdowne Road Agreement) and the Public Service Pay and Pensions Act 2017

Further and Higher Education

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0084_2017.pdf

Further and Higher Education - Hourly paid staff

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0082_2017.pdf

Primary, Post Primary

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0083_2017.pdf

List of recent circulars.

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0083_2017.pdf

Sir123 · 28-12-2017 3:39pm

Anyone else find it strange that allowances for pre-2011 teachers are not subject to the 1% salary increase? Another scam by government so it seems.

km79 · 28-12-2017 3:42pm

Sir123 wrote: »

Anyone else find it strange that allowances for pre-2011 teachers are not subject to the 1% salary increase? Another scam by government so it seems.

They are getting the 1%????

Sir123 · 28-12-2017 4:02pm

km79 wrote: »

They are getting the 1%????

Are you sure? The circular has accounted for the 1% increase in salary on the common basic scale for pre-2011 teachers, however, further down the circular, Honours Degree and Hdip allowance are the same, i.e. not inclusive of the 1%. I had just noticed this discrepancy but it clearly is important to note as it will in fact be less than a 1% increase if this is the case for pre 2011 teachers.

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In have just been reading the circular there and apparently the term 'fixed' is used to describe teachers who receive allowances. It sounds like the 1% will only be applied to salary scale. I find this very strange as the common basic scale and allowances make up teachers' pay, i.e. they go hand-in-hand.

Hence, another reason why teachers on all three pay scales should insist that their union is not bound by ICTU for the purposes of this agreement. It was rejected for a reason, and it's even more of a reason to fight having looked at this sham.

km79 · 28-12-2017 4:33pm

Sir123 wrote: »

Are you sure? The circular has accounted for the 1% increase in salary on the common basic scale for pre-2011 teachers, however, further down the circular, Honours Degree and Hdip allowance are the same, i.e. not inclusive of the 1%. I had just noticed this discrepancy but it clearly is important to note as it will in fact be less than a 1% increase if this is the case for pre 2011 teachers.

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In have just been reading the circular there and apparently the term 'fixed' is used to describe teachers who receive allowances. It sounds like the 1% will only be applied to salary scale. I find this very strange as the common basic scale and allowances make up teachers' pay, i.e. they go hand-in-hand.

Hence, another reason why teachers on all three pay scales should insist that their union is not bound by ICTU for the purposes of this agreement. It was rejected for a reason, and it's even more of a reason to fight having looked at this sham.

Sorry I understand you now

dory · 28-12-2017 4:58pm

Who's getting this increase in January? I thought all unions rejected the new pay deal?

wirelessdude01 · 28-12-2017 4:59pm

I thought that as we technically haven't signed up that we don't get it.

Sir123 · 28-12-2017 5:17pm

dory wrote: »

Who's getting this increase in January? I thought all unions rejected the new pay deal?

INTO and TUI released a statement before the holidays, but nothing from ASTI. I'm not too sure how it's going to pan out to be honest. All I know is that the 1% increase is not a 1% increase for pre-2011 teachers.

http://www.into.ie/ROI/NewsEvents/LatestNews/Title,44262,en.php

https://www.tui.ie/news-events/public-service-pay-and-pensions-act-2017-.12002.html

km79 · 28-12-2017 5:27pm

Sir123 wrote: »

INTO and TUI released a statement before the holidays, but nothing from ASTI. I'm not too sure how it's going to pan out to be honest. All I know is that the 1% increase is not a 1% increase for pre-2011 teachers.

http://www.into.ie/ROI/NewsEvents/LatestNews/Title,44262,en.php

https://www.tui.ie/news-events/public-service-pay-and-pensions-act-2017-.12002.html

We got all the rises under HRa even when we had not signed up

wirelessdude01 · 29-12-2017 11:18am

km79 wrote:

We got all the rises under HRa even when we had not signed up

Didn't the Govt pass something before Christmas that allowed them to withhold increments and pay restoration for a certain time period from those that haven't signed up or did I just seem that?

Sir123 · 29-12-2017 12:16pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Didn't the Govt pass something before Christmas that allowed them to withhold increments and pay restoration for a certain time period from those that haven't signed up or did I just seem that?

That's true wirelessdude, but then I saw the circular and was wondering. At the rate it's going, they can hold onto their increase as far as I am concerned, not even a full 1% for some.

KellyXX · 29-12-2017 12:19pm

What was inflation over the period that covers.
I know what I'd be saying to my boss if he came to me with a 1% pay rise. That's actually a pay cut.

Tom Dunne · 29-12-2017 3:08pm

KellyXX wrote: »

What was inflation over the period that covers.
I know what I'd be saying to my boss if he came to me with a 1% pay rise. That's actually a pay cut.

That's a tremendously naive view of Public Sector pay and collective bargaining agreements.

uck51js9zml2yt · 29-12-2017 3:13pm

There is another increase in April and I think October for the civil service.

I can't see why teachers would get it when your unions haven't signed up to the deal...what's the point in anyone signing up if that was the case!

KellyXX · 29-12-2017 5:52pm

Tom Dunne wrote: »

That's a tremendously naive view of Public Sector pay and collective bargaining agreements.

So you think 1% is a good deal then . LOL

dingding · 30-12-2017 7:05pm

KellyXX wrote: »

So you think 1% is a good deal then . LOL

Work in the public sector and even though I got several increments and a promotion, I take home a lot less than I did in 2007

So it is better than nothing, at least it is not a reduction

dar100 · 30-12-2017 7:28pm

Can't seem to find it, can someone tell me what the starting salary will be for new entery into further ed college? Will these changes impact starting salary ?

Dr_serious2 · 31-12-2017 9:28am

Is there an increment due for pre-2011 primary teachers this year?

Tom Dunne · 31-12-2017 9:33am

KellyXX wrote: »

So you think 1% is a good deal then . LOL

So enlighten me - how do I get a better pay deal?

KellyXX · 02-01-2018 10:09am

Tom Dunne wrote: »

So enlighten me - how do I get a better pay deal?

Going about it in a way that you are happy with 1% is certainly not the way to do it now, is it?

TheDriver · 02-01-2018 10:14am

So do we all get this? Unions seem very vague in it. Pay will be up anyways due to other budget measures

honeybear · 02-01-2018 11:02am

I’m a Primary Teacher and can’t see how we’d get the pay increase when we, as a union voted against it.

km79 · 02-01-2018 11:09am

honeybear wrote: »

I’m a Primary Teacher and can’t see how we’d get the pay increase when we, as a union voted against it.

As stated earlier ASTI members got one when outside HRA

RealJohn · 02-01-2018 12:26pm

TheDriver wrote: »

So do we all get this? Unions seem very vague in it. Pay will be up anyways due to other budget measures

Yeah, the raised ceiling for the higher rate of tax and the reduction in USC will affect our pay far more than this supposed 1% raise. It’ll be nice to get some more money anyway, even if the government insist on misrepresenting it.

DC · 02-01-2018 5:25pm

TheDriver wrote: »

So do we all get this? Unions seem very vague in it. Pay will be up anyways due to other budget measures

Yes. Everyone is getting it, regardless of each union's vote. A letter dated 18th December was sent from ICTU and had all the public sector unions attached as an appendix, including TUI, ASTI and INTO.

The 1% was almost insignificant. It was the increment freeze that scare the likes of me, an assistant lecturer at the top of the scale and due to go to lecturer grade in October.

Bananaleaf · 03-01-2018 7:12pm

Up a tenner a fortnight. Looks like that's just the USC changes as no 1% evident (probably because it's only 3rd Jan)

sitstill · 03-01-2018 9:43pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Up a tenner a fortnight. Looks like that's just the USC changes as no 1% evident (probably because it's only 3rd Jan)

Mine is up by €12

dory · 03-01-2018 10:01pm

How do ye know already??

Bananaleaf · 03-01-2018 10:07pm

dory wrote: »

How do ye know already??

We're paid fortnightly so paid tomorrow, get payslip emailed a day in advance

sitstill · 03-01-2018 10:28pm

dory wrote: »

How do ye know already??

Mine is always in my bank the Wednesday night before

sitstill · 03-01-2018 10:30pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

We're paid fortnightly so paid tomorrow, get payslip emailed a day in advance

Are we able to get our payslips by email instead of post now??

Bananaleaf · 03-01-2018 10:33pm

sitstill wrote: »

Are we able to get our payslips by email instead of post now??

We're an ETB and we may have been given the option to stick with paper and I don't recall it, but I think we were just switched over to eslips. About 3yrs ago now.

maude6868 · 04-01-2018 11:44am

Mine is up by 18

Aquals · 04-01-2018 12:07pm

Anyone else in the same boat as me? My pay went down!

Have yet to see my payslip to try to figure out why.

DC · 04-01-2018 2:45pm

Aquals wrote: »

Anyone else in the same boat as me? My pay went down!

Have yet to see my payslip to try to figure out why.

Maybe you need to reapply for the home carer tax credit? I have to each year and I get caught out at the start of the year.

TheDriver · 04-01-2018 2:57pm

Just be cautious that the increase is not just the tax paye one

ccazza · 04-01-2018 3:46pm

TheDriver wrote: »

Just be cautious that the increase is not just the tax paye one

No my basic pay has gone up but what is strange is the increase that is shown seperately and dated has gone down?

dar100 · 04-01-2018 3:50pm

ccazza wrote: »

No my basic pay has gone up but what is strange is the increase that is shown seperately and dated has gone down?

change in your tax credits, somewhere. Check what tax credits you claim outside of PAYE etc. However, I'm not aware of tax credits changing on a yearly basis. You could of underpaying at some point and this is a claw back

SligoBrewer · 04-01-2018 7:11pm

Aquals wrote: »

Anyone else in the same boat as me? My pay went down!

Have yet to see my payslip to try to figure out why.

My pay went up, my PAYE also went up.

ccazza · 04-01-2018 8:17pm

dar100 wrote: »

change in your tax credits, somewhere. Check what tax credits you claim outside of PAYE etc. However, I'm not aware of tax credits changing on a yearly basis. You could of underpaying at some point and this is a claw back

My tax credit have changed as I’ve to claim Income Protection tax credit every year. I’m taking about the pay increase 1/4/17 which went down. I would have thought it should have increased by 1%.

man_no_plan · 04-01-2018 8:48pm

Are ye not all a bit ahead of yourselves?

The increase is FROM Jan 1st so it shouldn't show until you get paid for January? Unless you're paid in advance?

When they divide the figures by the no of days in the month or round up or down to make the total right for the year there can be little differences from month to month.

The tax and USC changes also only apply from this month.

Surely your payslips are for December rather than January?

ccazza · 04-01-2018 8:56pm

man_no_plan wrote: »

Are ye not all a bit ahead of yourselves?

The increase is FROM Jan 1st so it shouldn't show until you get paid for January? Unless you're paid in advance?

When they divide the figures by the no of days in the month or round up or down to make the total right for the year there can be little differences from month to month.

The tax and USC changes also only apply from this month.

Surely your payslips are for December rather than January?[/QUOTE
Seems to be a pay increase for 1 day of January as pay date is 19 Dec to 1 Jan. I see my FEM deductions are also for a day less. They are gone from 1st Jan too.

r93kaey5p2izun · 04-01-2018 9:02pm

I will be paid next week so no idea yet what impact changes will have, but the pay will be for the month of January, not December.

Bananaleaf · 04-01-2018 9:48pm

ccazza wrote: »

My tax credit have changed as I’ve to claim Income Protection tax credit every year. I’m taking about the pay increase 1/4/17 which went down. I would have thought it should have increased by 1%.

We're getting the USC benefits right away, but the 1% won't really be noticeable until our next pay - changes only in from 1st and we got paid 3rd

Circulars - New rates of pay from Jan 1 - 2018

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