AnPost - Envelope slit open (searched for cash?)

fleet

Just received a bunch of Christmas cards.


One envelope is quite obviously slit along the side seam with a razor, as one may do to extract cash.

Dublin Mail Centre
15.12.17
20:24:58
16339498

No cash was mailed with it, so no loss, but if this is as I suspect then it won't be the only example.

Anyone else receive similar this year?
Post the Mail Centre, Date, Time and Serial Number (on the franking) and we'll see if there is pattern.

fleet

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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

If you believe it was an attempt at theft then go to the PO about it.

Avatar MIA

fleet wrote: »

Just received a bunch of Christmas cards.


One envelope is quite obviously slit along the side seam with a razor, as one may do to extract cash.

Dublin Mail Centre
15.12.17
20:24:58
16339498

No cash was mailed with it, so no loss, but if this is as I suspect then it won't be the only example.

Anyone else receive similar this year?
Post the Mail Centre, Date, Time and Serial Number (on the franking) and we'll see if there is pattern.

You received a bunch of cards after 5pm on a Sunday? Were the cards lying around for a while in your home. Possible someone at home searched the card?

Someone used to handling cards would be a lot more subtle or just throw away the card.

njs030

fleet wrote: »

Just received a bunch of Christmas cards.


One envelope is quite obviously slit along the side seam with a razor, as one may do to extract cash.

Dublin Mail Centre
15.12.17
20:24:58
16339498

No cash was mailed with it, so no loss, but if this is as I suspect then it won't be the only example.

Anyone else receive similar this year?
Post the Mail Centre, Date, Time and Serial Number (on the franking) and we'll see if there is pattern.

That seems highly unlikely and as said above it would have been discarded not sent on. I thought mail centres had cameras these days too.

Anyway instead of posting on boards you should report it if you suspect theft or attempted theft.

11wingnut

Good luck with on post customer care , I got loads of lies when you get to speak to them which is an ordeal..

fleet

Avatar MIA wrote: »

You received a bunch of cards after 5pm on a Sunday? Were the cards lying around for a while in your home. Possible someone at home searched the card?

Someone used to handling cards would be a lot more subtle or just throw away the card.

Yes, 5PM on a Sunday I received the usual email from AnPost advising me I had mail in my wall mounted steel box. Nobody but myself and AnPost have keys. Things work differently here in the sticks, especially around Christmas post, the postman is a bit of a character... but not the "slits open envelopes" kind, besides it was just one of a bunch, the others went through different sorting offices.

SuperSean11

This gives me a great idea. I’ll put a tear in all the letters I send then I can pretend I had sent the person money but it was stolen.

Jimbob1977

If someone had interfered with the envelope, would a clever criminal not just dump the card/letter and pretend it never existed? You'd be none the wiser.

Completing the delivery of a compromised item is a bit unusual.

sam22

There was no scheduled mail delivery today

DeeTee100

I ordered a hard drive from Amazon last year, and all I got was an empty box, wrapped in plastic with a note from An Post saying it was "Damaged in transit". The label on the box had been peeled back and the box slit open, very clearly deliberate.

Luckily Amazon customer support are very good about this sort of thing and they sent me a replacement straight away. I tried calling An Post but they basically said there was no follow up with them, go ask the seller instead.

Just goes to show this sort of thing definitely happens this time of year.

coylemj

11wingnut wrote: »

Good luck with on post customer care , I got loads of lies when you get to speak to them which is an ordeal..

DeeTee100 wrote: »

I ordered a hard drive from Amazon last year, and all I got was an empty box....

... I tried calling An Post but they basically said there was no follow up with them, go ask the seller instead.

+1 I get lots of envelopes where the corner of the flap shows sign of someone attempting to peel it open. Reported it to An Post but they weren't interested.

gercoral

could be a cheap envelope or one that had been used for other stuff before it was used for posting something?

tracey turnblad

This is how I received a card the other day. It had 4 thin cards in it... I’d say the person thought it was a gift card or money.... there wasn’t though

ohnonotgmail

tracey turnblad wrote: »

This is how I received a card the other day. It had 4 thin cards in it... I’d say the person thought it was a gift card or money.... there wasn’t though

what are we supposed to be looking at? it doesnt look like it was cut open.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

tracey turnblad wrote: »

This is how I received a card the other day. It had 4 thin cards in it... I’d say the person thought it was a gift card or money.... there wasn’t though

The sender never sealed that envelope. Nothing to do with An Post.

superfurry1

fleet wrote: »

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Most likely just fed through a machine and spit out it happens regularly enough if the envelope isnt perfectly thin.

dudara

superfurry1 wrote: »

Most likely just fed through a machine and spit out it happens regularly enough if the envelope isnt perfectly thin.

Was just going to post the same. A card passing through the automated sorting machine could cause a very neat tear like that. It’s most likely to happen on the edge of the card. For me, that’s the far more plausible scenario.

For the other picture with the silver envelope, that doesn’t look sealed and I’d first ask the sender if they tried a few times to close it

Avatar MIA

superfurry1 wrote: »

Most likely just fed through a machine and spit out it happens regularly enough if the envelope isnt perfectly thin.

Also, the "cut" is irregular, more consistent with how described by dudara, and not with a blade or such.

tracey turnblad

Mine was very obviously opened and closed a few times the paper was very soft. It wasn’t slit and it wasn’t sealed originally but you can tell it is not in the original condition. I text my sister a picture and she confirmed

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

tracey turnblad wrote: »

Mine was very obviously opened and closed a few times the paper was very soft. It wasn’t slit and it wasn’t sealed originally but you can tell it is not in the original condition. I text my sister a picture and she confirmed

You've just said it. Very soft paper, not sealed, with four cards inside. It probably fell asunder several times between your sister and yourself and the cards put back in. Why was it not sealed? The days of different charges for open and sealed envelopes is long gone.

monnies

no way any postman/woman would throw his.her job and reputation away for a few quid

ED E

Lots of temps on this time of year, take that as how you will.

looksee

I agree with you OP, it can happen, and especially when letters or cards have come through more than one system (UK, USA etc) stuff goes astray. Not necessarily An Post. Its mostly cards that get interfered with, never seems to happen to official letters.

monnies

ED E wrote: »

Lots of temps on this time of year, take that as how you will.

i beg to differ
from what i know people only get into An Post by word of mouth, and there is no way somebody would betray that trust,
if the post was tampered with it was before it arrived in Ireland

yosser hughes

Twice in the last two years my Mother has sent cash in birthday cards and they were never received.

Seth Brundle

I've found a pattern between some letters being delivered which make reference to amounts of money and the exact same amount of money being removed from my bank account a few days later.
An Post just laugh at me every time I complain. It's like everyone in an Post is in on it.

lorr27

My daughter received a ripped open birthday card as well this year from her grandmother, luckily there was no cash inside.

Eric Cartman

ED E wrote: »

Lots of temps on this time of year, take that as how you will.

saw a documentary about Royal Mail in the uk and Christmas before, 10 fold increase in missing post and a large increase in tampered post. Yet again, no proof of anything but somebody who needs an an post temp position is probably a lot more desperate for 20-50 quid than most.

Every few years there is a story about someone from An Post arrested for theft. It's not unheard of.

If you think it has been tampered with then report it to An Post. They take reports seriously. Venting about it online and not reporting it will achieve nothing.

Of course it could just be a burst envelope from an overfilled sack. Reporting your suspicion is not going to do any harm.

Fred Swanson

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njs030

tracey turnblad wrote: »

Mine was very obviously opened and closed a few times the paper was very soft. It wasn’t slit and it wasn’t sealed originally but you can tell it is not in the original condition. I text my sister a picture and she confirmed

Why wasn't it sealed?

CeilingFly

everyone seems to think there are hundreds of people in an post sorting mail like elves.

99% of mail is sorted by auto reader machines and only until they reach the local delivery office are they handled - and usually the final sorting is done by the post person delivering the mail.

Only badly written addresses that are indecipherable by the auto readers get sorted by hand.

Remember there are millions of items sorted daily.

lucernarian

CeilingFly wrote: »

everyone seems to think there are hundreds of people in an post sorting mail like elves.

99% of mail is sorted by auto reader machines and only until they reach the local delivery office are they handled - and usually the final sorting is done by the post person delivering the mail.

Only badly written addresses that are indecipherable by the auto readers get sorted by hand.

Remember there are millions of items sorted daily.

That is literally what happened in the run up to Christmas back when the SDS warehouse near Newland's Cross would be used as an extra sorting facility along with the temporary postmen and women hired for the purpose. Now I don't know if this still happens before Christmas nowadays.

tracey turnblad

Abel Mango Cricket wrote: »

You've just said it. Very soft paper, not sealed, with four cards inside. It probably fell asunder several times between your sister and yourself and the cards put back in. Why was it not sealed? The days of different charges for open and sealed envelopes is long gone.

It was very soft due to being opened and closed a few times. She probably didn’t seal it because she didn’t expect anyone to open it and there was no value inside

whiterebel

monnies wrote: »

i beg to differ
from what i know people only get into An Post by word of mouth, and there is no way somebody would betray that trust,
if the post was tampered with it was before it arrived in Ireland

I don't think that theory holds water: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/an-post-worker-suspected-of-stealing-cash-from-letters-130827.html

VeVeX

A bit of common sense would have you realise regular mail is not secure. If you send cash or valubles in the mail be it at your own risk.

DivingDuck

VeVeX wrote: »

A bit of common sense would have you realise regular mail is not secure. If you send cash or valubles in the mail be it at your own risk.

But nobody here is talking about losing things, they're talking about their mail being interfered with in the hopes of finding valuable items. You don't have to have lost money to want your mail to remain intact: I wouldn't send cash through the post, but I do occasionally have to send or receive sensitive information. I wouldn't like to think the postman was reading my medical test results or my bank statements, for example.

Fred Swanson

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They have an internal investigation team who take reports of mail theft very seriously and have worked with the Guards on sting operations in the past.

If you have information to the contrary by all means share it.

archer22

According to the RTE piece on them last night An Post have Dogs that are trained to sniff out cash.

Fred Swanson

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11wingnut

Deleted User wrote: »

Every few years there is a story about someone from An Post arrested for theft. It's not unheard of.

If you think it has been tampered with then report it to An Post. They take reports seriously. Venting about it online and not reporting it will achieve nothing.

Of course it could just be a burst envelope from an overfilled sack. Reporting your suspicion is not going to do any harm.

Seriously my arse.

Victor

yosser hughes wrote: »

Twice in the last two years my Mother has sent cash in birthday cards and they were never received.

You'd think she would have stopped the first time.

ArthurG

monnies wrote: »

i beg to differ
from what i know people only get into An Post by word of mouth, and there is no way somebody would betray that trust,
if the post was tampered with it was before it arrived in Ireland

Yep clearly foreigners, no dacent Irish person would do such a thing....

yosser hughes wrote: »

Twice in the last two years my Mother has sent cash in birthday cards and they were never received.

Money in the post? Might as well fashion it into a paper plane and hope it gets there.

Mr. Incognito

Anyone who has any experience of An Post knows not to send cash in the Post.

It is inevitable in any large organisation that there will be some people who are desperate for cash and will go to any lengths to get it be they suffering from financial woes, addiction or are common thieves.

There are people here with first hand knowledge I am sure that dont want to say anything defamatory on a public forum but common sense would tell you not to send cash through An Post.

amtc

What bit of 'do not send money in the post' do you not get!

landmarkjohn

In case anyone in An Post is interested when my daughter got married in 2010 someone in the mail chain did very well out of it. Suspect local as there where a couple of items went missing. Very north west Mayo.

stronglikebull

monnies wrote: »

no way any postman/woman would throw his.her job and reputation away for a few quid

monnies wrote: »

i beg to differ
from what i know people only get into An Post by word of mouth, and there is no way somebody would betray that trust,
if the post was tampered with it was before it arrived in Ireland

Wrong. It happens quite often, and the Gardai have been involved on several occasions investigating theft within the post office.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/postman-arrested-suspicion-stealing-childrens-3644484

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/former-sorting-office-worker-admits-to-theft-31440581.html

While any report may not get your stolen post recovered, and it looks to an individual like they don't do anything, they actually do investigate claims of theft. Evidence can be hard to find though, and take a long time to garner, so don't expect an immediate result.

Buckfast W

CeilingFly wrote:

everyone seems to think there are hundreds of people in an post sorting mail like elves.

CeilingFly wrote:

99% of mail is sorted by auto reader machines and only until they reach the local delivery office are they handled - and usually the final sorting is done by the post person delivering the mail.

CeilingFly wrote:

Only badly written addresses that are indecipherable by the auto readers get sorted by hand.

This isn't necessarily true, everything that comes through the Air mail unit is sorted by hand before being sent to the DMC ,and I mean everything, every letter every package, they don't have machines up there so they take on temporary staff to deal with the high volumes over Christmas.

In the big mail centres like Dublin and Portlaiose most of the stuff is done by machine.

Nekarsulm

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057802390

An Post didn't respond go my last letter on this matter (after telling me that no trace of the lost envelope could be found) so I made a complaint to the Gardai.
The Guard took notes of relevant dates etc, and said that she would interview the Post Master in the office concerned, so that's about all I can do really.

amtc

Absolutely no point in interviewing a post master as retail and mails networks are run independently.

My advice is to write to the Customer Advocate at An Post. Customer.advocate@anpost.ie and also ask that it be referred to the Investigation Branch .