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RTE sports awards

  • 17-12-2017 12:13am
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    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Not making big thing about Dublin - actually thought that Galway winning hurling was the biggest achievement of the year - but seriously, the RTE awards are a bit of a joke.

    Team of the year are show jumpers. Led by someone who was stripped of a gold medal for cheating. A sport that has about 200 people participating in, seriously...

    Sports awards being picked by soap opera fans. And McClean! Plays for two sh1te teams, never won anything. How in the name of jaysus is he more meriting than Joe Canning?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 607 ✭✭✭ BoroMan32


    The McClean decision was embarrassing alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ mattser


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Not making big thing about Dublin - actually thought that Galway winning hurling was the biggest achievement of the year - but seriously, the RTE awards are a bit of a joke.

    Team of the year are show jumpers. Led by someone who was stripped of a gold medal for cheating. A sport that has about 200 people participating in, seriously...

    Sports awards being picked by soap opera fans. And McClean! Plays for two sh1te teams, never won anything. How in the name of jaysus is he more meriting than Joe Canning?

    Awful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭ S. Goodspeed


    It was a pretty poor year for the nominations to be honest, from an international perspective at least.

    Mclean winning it though is a complete joke. An extremely limited footballer in a very limited team that won nothing. He doesn’t even perform well for Ireland, just runs around and fouls people a lot. I know this was 2016 but i’ll never forget him failing to pull the ball back against France in 2016 to set up an easy tap in.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Stoner


    Bonniedog wrote:
    Sports awards being picked by soap opera fans. And McClean! Plays for two sh1te teams, never won anything. How in the name of jaysus is he more meriting than Joe Canning?

    I voted for McClean, I like him, puts in a great shift. A good character.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭ Utopia Parkway


    McClean seems absolutely bizarre to me. Scored a few goals in qualifying in a campaign where the team ended up humiliated in the playoffs. And McClean himself was pretty awful in both playoff games. Not to mention he hasn't even been able to get into his own club side either!

    I mean I love James McClean but is that worthy of sportsperson of the year?

    Also nothing against show jumpers but how on earth did a show jumping team win a public vote? Was there a secret campaign for them?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭ redlead


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Not making big thing about Dublin - actually thought that Galway winning hurling was the biggest achievement of the year - but seriously, the RTE awards are a bit of a joke.

    Team of the year are show jumpers. Led by someone who was stripped of a gold medal for cheating. A sport that has about 200 people participating in, seriously...

    Sports awards being picked by soap opera fans. And McClean! Plays for two sh1te teams, never won anything. How in the name of jaysus is he more meriting than Joe Canning?

    All sports awards are silly though. Joe Canning winning HOTY is equally ridiculous. He wasn't even top 3 in Galway. McClean may be limited but he was Irelands best player in a year where we had a good run. It's a poor year in general though, no one really stands out in any sport. The O Donovan lad probably deserves it if he was nominated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 721 ✭✭✭ Hesh's Umpire


    I'm actually not much of a Katie Taylor fan. Something about her I can't warm to. But she clearly should have won that.

    Team of the year had to be the Dublin footballers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭ redlead



    Team of the year had to be the Dublin footballers.

    Funny enough in GAA terms I'd almost give team of the year to Mayo over Dublin. It's exceptional what Dublin achieved but they achieved what was expected of them. Mayo on the other hand were written off by almost everyone at the start of the championship as a team that were contenders but defied all the odds to battle through about 100 games to get to the final yet again. You have to respect that. That's with a team that has a lot of flaws unlike Dublin. Who's the better team? Dublin obviously but Mayo got the most out of themselves in my opinion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,306 ✭✭✭✭ Fr Tod Umptious


    redlead wrote: »
    Funny enough in GAA terms I'd almost give team of the year to Mayo over Dublin. It's exceptional what Dublin achieved but they achieved what was expected of them. Mayo on the other hand were written off by almost everyone at the start of the championship as a team that were contenders but defied all the odds to battle through about 100 games to get to the final yet again. You have to respect that. That's with a team that has a lot of flaws unlike Dublin. Who's the better team? Dublin obviously but Mayo got the most out of themselves in my opinion.

    Ah now, it's not as if Mayo were complete outsiders, they were always regarded as a top level team, thy struggled to put away lesser teams all year, that's what had people writing them off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Dublin won't win anything in these awards because they are based on a text vote. I wouldn't be voting for Mayo for example had they won the All Ireland! That is just the nature of these things and actually highlights the healthy rivalry between counties. Who honestly gives a somersaulting [email protected] about showjumping or some of the other sports which won awards or had nominations?

    Personally, and being objective, I would have thought that Galway winning the AI after 29 years of heartbreak was the outstanding team achievement of 2017.

    Andy Moran's award was based on the judgment of people who know the game, and was deserved on the basis of his performances.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭ BENDYBINN


    Did I hear it right but was the manager of the year a horse trainer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,958 Dots1982


    Thing is next year is also likely to be a poor year for Irish sport.

    Maybe Rugby and Conlan apart.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,958 Dots1982


    Stoner wrote: »
    Bonniedog wrote:
    Sports awards being picked by soap opera fans. And McClean! Plays for two sh1te teams, never won anything. How in the name of jaysus is he more meriting than Joe Canning?

    I voted for McClean, I like him, puts in a great shift. A good character.

    There haven’t been that many players I’ve seen in an Irish jersey less gifted than McClean. A decent lad and tries his best but desperately limited.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭ Utopia Parkway


    redlead wrote: »
    Funny enough in GAA terms I'd almost give team of the year to Mayo over Dublin. It's exceptional what Dublin achieved but they achieved what was expected of them. Mayo on the other hand were written off by almost everyone at the start of the championship as a team that were contenders but defied all the odds to battle through about 100 games to get to the final yet again. You have to respect that. That's with a team that has a lot of flaws unlike Dublin. Who's the better team? Dublin obviously but Mayo got the most out of themselves in my opinion.

    No serious way could anyone vote for Mayo as team of the year. They lost twice during the Summer. Came very close to losing another three games against Derry, Roscommon and Kerry. I mean they showed some serious bottle to reach the final but you just couldn't pick them ahead of the Dublin footballers or the Galway hurlers who had a clean sweep of all available trophies. Ultimately winning matters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭ Are Am Eye


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Did I hear it right but was the manager of the year a horse trainer?

    Its not just him and the horses. There are othert humans involved. And a goat probably. There always seems to be a goat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    Its not just him and the horses. There are othert humans involved. And a goat probably. There always seems to be a goat.


    And the backing of owners who have first dibs on every thoroughbred flat horse on the planet!

    Harrington's achievement with Sizing John was more significant than O'Brien's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭ Are Am Eye


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    And the backing of owners who have first dibs on every thoroughbred flat horse on the planet!

    Harrington's achievement with Sizing John was more significant than O'Brien's.

    That's a fair point but if the trainors arent maximising the potential of all these horses there are competitors in the wing. Like all sports the margins are tight at the top.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Stoner


    Dots1982 wrote:
    There haven’t been that many players I’ve seen in an Irish jersey less gifted than McClean. A decent lad and tries his best but desperately limited.

    That's true but I like him, for me he represents a nice bit of spirit in the national team which went out the window in the Euros in Poland, for me anyway MONs squad turned things around


    I wasn't heavily invested in it. If I was voting again I might go for Taylor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭ spurshero


    redlead wrote: »
    Funny enough in GAA terms I'd almost give team of the year to Mayo over Dublin. It's exceptional what Dublin achieved but they achieved what was expected of them. Mayo on the other hand were written off by almost everyone at the start of the championship as a team that were contenders but defied all the odds to battle through about 100 games to get to the final yet again. You have to respect that. That's with a team that has a lot of flaws unlike Dublin. Who's the better team? Dublin obviously but Mayo got the most out of themselves in my opinion.

    defied all the odds ? they made a hard job of beating atrocious teams . inter county standard at the moment is poor . whilst players are super fit the skill levels are well down in my opinion. you have average kerry and tyrone teams making up what is basically a 4 team championship . mayo and dublin are good in fairness .before a ball is kicked next year we all know the winner will be one of these 4


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭ MayoAreMagic


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Dublin won't win anything in these awards because they are based on a text vote. I wouldn't be voting for Mayo for example had they won the All Ireland! That is just the nature of these things and actually highlights the healthy rivalry between counties.

    Sorry, I dont follow you here. Surely the text vote would favor Dublin, with the numbers of home-voters they would have?
    I disagree that Dublin wont win anything. They will win the awards they deserve to win. I havent seen them not win any award that they have deserved to my mind to be honest about it. They say the press is anti dublin, yet the same press just voted a Dub player with the accolade of sportsbook of the year. It doesnt really add up.

    My own personal view would be that Galway were the team of the year, coming from perennial alsorans who were seen as a soft touch to literally winning everything by running over everything in their path. It doesnt really get much more definitive for me

    On sportsperson of the year, Con O'Callaghan should undoubtedly have gotten a nomination. But I would have given the to andy moran. People will say that is because Im from mayo, but I genuinely think that the central role he played and performances he put in this year, at his age, with his history of injuries and history of probably coming up a bit short against the very elite throughout his career, was a genuinely amazing feat. Id consider it on a par with any season peter canavan put in for tyrone in his time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭ ArielAtom


    Sorry, I dont follow you here. Surely the text vote would favor Dublin, with the numbers of home-voters they would have?
    I disagree that Dublin wont win anything. They will win the awards they deserve to win. I havent seen them not win any award that they have deserved to my mind to be honest about it. They say the press is anti dublin, yet the same press just voted a Dub player with the accolade of sportsbook of the year. It doesnt really add up.

    My own personal view would be that Galway were the team of the year, coming from perennial alsorans who were seen as a soft touch to literally winning everything by running over everything in their path. It doesnt really get much more definitive for me

    On sportsperson of the year, Con O'Callaghan should undoubtedly have gotten a nomination. But I would have given the to andy moran. People will say that is because Im from mayo, but I genuinely think that the central role he played and performances he put in this year, at his age, with his history of injuries and history of probably coming up a bit short against the very elite throughout his career, was a genuinely amazing feat. Id consider it on a par with any season peter canavan put in for tyrone in his time.

    So Con wins all around him and Andy wins what? Are you serious about taking into account his age, injury history and coming up short as mitigating factors??? Sure if that's the case Clucko should have won POTY and an All Star based on his stellar career, but we know the views on that now don't we😉. Moran was no where near the award and you know it well, nice try though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Then explain why Dublin have not won ANY RTE award in the course of winning 5 All Irelands and four leagues in succession, including two doubles? You don't seriously believe that people believe that the show jumping team winning some barely contested event is equal to that?

    Agree with you on Galway, but fact is that outside of Galway and Dublin, the vast majority of texters will not be voting for them. Doesn't bother me other than that RTE make it out to be some sort of definitive judgement on Irish sport which is ludicrous. On same level as those awful make me a star nonsense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭ MayoAreMagic


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    So Con wins all around him and Andy wins what? Are you serious about taking into account his age, injury history and coming up short as mitigating factors??? Sure if that's the case Clucko should have won POTY and an All Star based on his stellar career, but we know the views on that now don't we��. Moran was no where near the award and you know it well, nice try though.

    In fairness, Con's teams win all round them, there is a difference..
    I'd accept that some people would go for him and arguments can be made for both, and both had seasons that wont be matched very often. I just think that moran had bigger personal performances in tougher circumstances. For example, he was double marked at all times, was OCallaghan double marked at all? Im not trying to take away from the lad, Im simply explaining why I would go for moran ahead of him.

    Of course I am taking those things into account, Id ask why would you not take them into account? That was the starting point for his season - a very old player, with serious cumulative injury issues, who has very rarely reached true elite level. To go from that to probably the most feared forward in the country and a one man wrecking machine of the countries elite man markers - even in twos. It's roy of the rovers territory. I cant think of a similar occurrence in any elite level sport, it's freakish.

    Re cluxton, I dont get the comparison. My issue with cluxton getting those awards is the logic used to support cluxton is that of a lifetime achievement award rather than best player for that year.. That isnt what I am doing with moran at all.
    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Then explain why Dublin have not won ANY RTE award in the course of winning 5 All Irelands and four leagues in succession, including two doubles? You don't seriously believe that people believe that the show jumping team winning some barely contested event is equal to that?

    Agree with you on Galway, but fact is that outside of Galway and Dublin, the vast majority of texters will not be voting for them. Doesn't bother me other than that RTE make it out to be some sort of definitive judgement on Irish sport which is ludicrous. On same level as those awful make me a star nonsense.

    But what specific awards have they deserved that they havent got? Id accept that, generally speaking, you would expect that over the 5 years they would have picked one up, but can you give a specific example of them being genuinely shafted? Like you could have a galway-esque season in some sport or other that catches the eye, and in respect to that the dubs winning games they are expected to win will always pale in comparison, and so it should. That isnt a bias, that is just the way of the world. i.e. greece winning the euros is seen as a bigger achievement than germany doing it.

    Well I know people that voted for galway who are not from that county... However, for arguments sake we will say your logic is accurate. My issue with that is, surely the same goes for everyone? i.e. only people with interest in showjumping with vote for showjumping etc so they are all hamstrung by their level of interest.

    Re mcclean, Im lost on that one. I cant get my head around how he managed to end up with the award. It makes no sense on any level.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    You are missing my point. Whole idea of couch potatoes voting on things they know nothing about mostly and who invariably represent the lowest common denominator, as proven by the execrable sh1te that wins "music" competitions, is just absurd. Don't know why Gavin and Brian turned up to be insulted about facial expressions by woman who looked like she had fallen out of a Christmas tree after a bottle of gin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Then explain why Dublin have not won ANY RTE award in the course of winning 5 All Irelands and four leagues in succession, including two doubles? You don't seriously believe that people believe that the show jumping team winning some barely contested event is equal to that?

    Agree with you on Galway, but fact is that outside of Galway and Dublin, the vast majority of texters will not be voting for them. Doesn't bother me other than that RTE make it out to be some sort of definitive judgement on Irish sport which is ludicrous. On same level as those awful make me a star nonsense.

    It's always very funny to see Dubs make comments like ''It doesn't bother me'' or ''i dont care about it'' when they every much do and will go out of thier way to let everyone know


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭ MayoAreMagic


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    You are missing my point. Whole idea of couch potatoes voting on things they know nothing about mostly and who invariably represent the lowest common denominator, as proven by the execrable sh1te that wins "music" competitions, is just absurd. Don't know why Gavin and Brian turned up to be insulted about facial expressions by woman who looked like she had fallen out of a Christmas tree after a bottle of gin.

    In fairness, you initially stated that Dubs wont get as many votes in a text vote system. I pointed out, and I stand over it, that if anything there are more dubs than any other faction, therefore a text vote would in fact favour them rather than hinder them. That is a different point to what you are now stating as regards couch potatoes. I'd point out that again, there are couch potatoes in every county, so it wont hinder any one nominee more than another.

    The main problem with your assertion is that for it to hold true, there would need to be only 2 options, Dublin and non-Dublin. Thus you could argue that everyone that is 'anti-dub' would go for the non-dub option. However, in this example there are several options. So unless you are suggesting there is a countrywide organised conspiracy where everyone outside Dublin got together and arranged what specific option they were going to vote for to oust Dublin, then the probability of it happening on it's own is in fact miniscule. When you consider it like that, the ridiculousness of the suggestion should be apparent.

    As for lowest common denominator, your comments on the woman's appearance would fit squarely in that bracket I would imagine...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭ EICVD


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    And the backing of owners who have first dibs on every thoroughbred flat horse on the planet!

    Harrington's achievement with Sizing John was more significant than O'Brien's.

    I don’t agree, I’m glad O’Brien’s world record of 28 Group 1 wins in the year was rewarded the other night. It’s not as if all those wins where here or in Britain but from California to Hong Kong (& almost Melbourne). Sizing Johns potential could of easily been seen a year earlier but De Bromhead was happy enough finishing 2nd to Douvan all season. O’Brien isn’t just ‘managing’ the horses, he’s managing the stable staff too.

    The awards are a joke though, only 3 nominees for the young sportsperson of the year when there was about 20 for the overall sportsperson! Could have easily added Con O’Callaghan (should have been nominated for the overall award, a far more successful season than Andy Moran), Jack Kennedy, Colin Keane & a few more to that list.

    I’ve lost interest in these awards (Dubs not winning anything the main reason) & just see it as a highlights show of the years sport to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭ EICVD


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Thing is next year is also likely to be a poor year for Irish sport.

    Maybe Rugby and Conlan apart.

    Nah when the dubs do 8 & 4 in a row next year & regain the league title, it’ll be a fantastic year! ;-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭ MayoAreMagic


    EICVD wrote: »
    Could have easily added Con O’Callaghan (should have been nominated for the overall award, a far more successful season than Andy Moran

    Yet Moran won the POTY over O'Callaghan...

    :rolleyes:

    The award isn't called the sportsperson whose team won the most trophies award man...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭ eigrod


    Also nothing against show jumpers but how on earth did a show jumping team win a public vote? Was there a secret campaign for them?

    Must've been some stunt pulled there. I'd say 90% of the population couldn't even tell you last Friday before the awards what they'd won in 2017 and I'd say 99% of the population couldn't tell you the name of 3 members of the team.

    The entire thing is a farce - haven't watched it for years.

    Dublin or Cork City should've won it for me.


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