RTE sports awards

The McClean decision was embarrassing alright.

It was a pretty poor year for the nominations to be honest, from an international perspective at least.

Mclean winning it though is a complete joke. An extremely limited footballer in a very limited team that won nothing. He doesn’t even perform well for Ireland, just runs around and fouls people a lot. I know this was 2016 but i’ll never forget him failing to pull the ball back against France in 2016 to set up an easy tap in.

McClean seems absolutely bizarre to me. Scored a few goals in qualifying in a campaign where the team ended up humiliated in the playoffs. And McClean himself was pretty awful in both playoff games. Not to mention he hasn't even been able to get into his own club side either!

I mean I love James McClean but is that worthy of sportsperson of the year?

Also nothing against show jumpers but how on earth did a show jumping team win a public vote? Was there a secret campaign for them?

I'm actually not much of a Katie Taylor fan. Something about her I can't warm to. But she clearly should have won that.

Team of the year had to be the Dublin footballers.

redlead wrote: »

Funny enough in GAA terms I'd almost give team of the year to Mayo over Dublin. It's exceptional what Dublin achieved but they achieved what was expected of them. Mayo on the other hand were written off by almost everyone at the start of the championship as a team that were contenders but defied all the odds to battle through about 100 games to get to the final yet again. You have to respect that. That's with a team that has a lot of flaws unlike Dublin. Who's the better team? Dublin obviously but Mayo got the most out of themselves in my opinion.

Ah now, it's not as if Mayo were complete outsiders, they were always regarded as a top level team, thy struggled to put away lesser teams all year, that's what had people writing them off.

Did I hear it right but was the manager of the year a horse trainer?

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Did I hear it right but was the manager of the year a horse trainer?

Its not just him and the horses. There are othert humans involved. And a goat probably. There always seems to be a goat.

Bonniedog wrote: »

And the backing of owners who have first dibs on every thoroughbred flat horse on the planet!

Harrington's achievement with Sizing John was more significant than O'Brien's.

That's a fair point but if the trainors arent maximising the potential of all these horses there are competitors in the wing. Like all sports the margins are tight at the top.

redlead wrote: »

Funny enough in GAA terms I'd almost give team of the year to Mayo over Dublin. It's exceptional what Dublin achieved but they achieved what was expected of them. Mayo on the other hand were written off by almost everyone at the start of the championship as a team that were contenders but defied all the odds to battle through about 100 games to get to the final yet again. You have to respect that. That's with a team that has a lot of flaws unlike Dublin. Who's the better team? Dublin obviously but Mayo got the most out of themselves in my opinion.

defied all the odds ? they made a hard job of beating atrocious teams . inter county standard at the moment is poor . whilst players are super fit the skill levels are well down in my opinion. you have average kerry and tyrone teams making up what is basically a 4 team championship . mayo and dublin are good in fairness .before a ball is kicked next year we all know the winner will be one of these 4

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Sorry, I dont follow you here. Surely the text vote would favor Dublin, with the numbers of home-voters they would have?
I disagree that Dublin wont win anything. They will win the awards they deserve to win. I havent seen them not win any award that they have deserved to my mind to be honest about it. They say the press is anti dublin, yet the same press just voted a Dub player with the accolade of sportsbook of the year. It doesnt really add up.

My own personal view would be that Galway were the team of the year, coming from perennial alsorans who were seen as a soft touch to literally winning everything by running over everything in their path. It doesnt really get much more definitive for me

On sportsperson of the year, Con O'Callaghan should undoubtedly have gotten a nomination. But I would have given the to andy moran. People will say that is because Im from mayo, but I genuinely think that the central role he played and performances he put in this year, at his age, with his history of injuries and history of probably coming up a bit short against the very elite throughout his career, was a genuinely amazing feat. Id consider it on a par with any season peter canavan put in for tyrone in his time.

So Con wins all around him and Andy wins what? Are you serious about taking into account his age, injury history and coming up short as mitigating factors??? Sure if that's the case Clucko should have won POTY and an All Star based on his stellar career, but we know the views on that now don't we😉. Moran was no where near the award and you know it well, nice try though.

ArielAtom wrote: »

So Con wins all around him and Andy wins what? Are you serious about taking into account his age, injury history and coming up short as mitigating factors??? Sure if that's the case Clucko should have won POTY and an All Star based on his stellar career, but we know the views on that now don't we��. Moran was no where near the award and you know it well, nice try though.

In fairness, Con's teams win all round them, there is a difference..
I'd accept that some people would go for him and arguments can be made for both, and both had seasons that wont be matched very often. I just think that moran had bigger personal performances in tougher circumstances. For example, he was double marked at all times, was OCallaghan double marked at all? Im not trying to take away from the lad, Im simply explaining why I would go for moran ahead of him.

Of course I am taking those things into account, Id ask why would you not take them into account? That was the starting point for his season - a very old player, with serious cumulative injury issues, who has very rarely reached true elite level. To go from that to probably the most feared forward in the country and a one man wrecking machine of the countries elite man markers - even in twos. It's roy of the rovers territory. I cant think of a similar occurrence in any elite level sport, it's freakish.

Re cluxton, I dont get the comparison. My issue with cluxton getting those awards is the logic used to support cluxton is that of a lifetime achievement award rather than best player for that year.. That isnt what I am doing with moran at all.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Then explain why Dublin have not won ANY RTE award in the course of winning 5 All Irelands and four leagues in succession, including two doubles? You don't seriously believe that people believe that the show jumping team winning some barely contested event is equal to that?

Agree with you on Galway, but fact is that outside of Galway and Dublin, the vast majority of texters will not be voting for them. Doesn't bother me other than that RTE make it out to be some sort of definitive judgement on Irish sport which is ludicrous. On same level as those awful make me a star nonsense.

But what specific awards have they deserved that they havent got? Id accept that, generally speaking, you would expect that over the 5 years they would have picked one up, but can you give a specific example of them being genuinely shafted? Like you could have a galway-esque season in some sport or other that catches the eye, and in respect to that the dubs winning games they are expected to win will always pale in comparison, and so it should. That isnt a bias, that is just the way of the world. i.e. greece winning the euros is seen as a bigger achievement than germany doing it.

Well I know people that voted for galway who are not from that county... However, for arguments sake we will say your logic is accurate. My issue with that is, surely the same goes for everyone? i.e. only people with interest in showjumping with vote for showjumping etc so they are all hamstrung by their level of interest.

Re mcclean, Im lost on that one. I cant get my head around how he managed to end up with the award. It makes no sense on any level.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Then explain why Dublin have not won ANY RTE award in the course of winning 5 All Irelands and four leagues in succession, including two doubles? You don't seriously believe that people believe that the show jumping team winning some barely contested event is equal to that?

Agree with you on Galway, but fact is that outside of Galway and Dublin, the vast majority of texters will not be voting for them. Doesn't bother me other than that RTE make it out to be some sort of definitive judgement on Irish sport which is ludicrous. On same level as those awful make me a star nonsense.

It's always very funny to see Dubs make comments like ''It doesn't bother me'' or ''i dont care about it'' when they every much do and will go out of thier way to let everyone know

Bonniedog wrote: »

And the backing of owners who have first dibs on every thoroughbred flat horse on the planet!

Harrington's achievement with Sizing John was more significant than O'Brien's.

I don’t agree, I’m glad O’Brien’s world record of 28 Group 1 wins in the year was rewarded the other night. It’s not as if all those wins where here or in Britain but from California to Hong Kong (& almost Melbourne). Sizing Johns potential could of easily been seen a year earlier but De Bromhead was happy enough finishing 2nd to Douvan all season. O’Brien isn’t just ‘managing’ the horses, he’s managing the stable staff too.

The awards are a joke though, only 3 nominees for the young sportsperson of the year when there was about 20 for the overall sportsperson! Could have easily added Con O’Callaghan (should have been nominated for the overall award, a far more successful season than Andy Moran), Jack Kennedy, Colin Keane & a few more to that list.

I’ve lost interest in these awards (Dubs not winning anything the main reason) & just see it as a highlights show of the years sport to be honest.

EICVD wrote: »

Could have easily added Con O’Callaghan (should have been nominated for the overall award, a far more successful season than Andy Moran

Yet Moran won the POTY over O'Callaghan...

:rolleyes:

The award isn't called the sportsperson whose team won the most trophies award man...