12 acres. Tree plan.

80sDiesel

SmartinMartin wrote: »

I'd consider it a selfless act so, and fair play to you for it. I'd love to do something similar, if only I could find a tree that 'd thrive in wet shallow soil on the side of a mountain at the edge of the sea:D

Your best bet is the Rowan tree which looks fantastic when in full berry

80sDiesel

JJayoo wrote: »

Listening to the radio earlier, each person is paying approx 200euro in carbon tax through taxation and they are talking about how this will rise in the future.

Surely people who are planting lots of trees could be exempt from any such carbon tax.

I have been planting an Oak forest for the past 15 years and it would be good if some monatary gain could be gotten to offset the cost and labour.

Which of the two Irish oak trees did you find you had the most success with.? (Pedunculate and sessile). Which one would you recommend for exposed but we'll drained heavy clayy soil.

SmartinMartin

Really? That's interesting. How deer proof are the young trees?

Accidentally

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Really? That's interesting. How deer proof are the young trees?

Not at all. Bark stripping will kill them.

JJayoo

Nekarsulm wrote: »

50 acres of pasture is calculated to sequestrate about 160 tons of carbon.
Can we all get a carbon credit please?

Ah so this 50 acres of pasture is just left to grow and no animals are on it?

Or do your cows eat that 50 tonnes of carbon and fart it back out?

Bit of a difference between a tree that might be standing for 200+ years and gass that will be eaten in a week's time.

JJayoo

80sDiesel wrote: »

Which of the two Irish oak trees did you find you had the most success with.? (Pedunculate and sessile). Which one would you recommend for exposed but we'll drained heavy clayy soil.

Haven't noticed a difference between the two to be honest. One thing that has really helped is to prune off a lot of the branches and height when replanting, reduces the demand on the tree/roots in spring and stops the wind from loosening the tree.

All my trees are being planted in fields where sheep are grazed which is a pain as the bastards love to scratch against the trees and posts.

Had problems in the past with sheep and hares skining some trees. Painting on some emulsion stopped the hares. To stop the sheep I had to mix up some sheep sh11te and water and rub some on the bark. This is also how I stopped sheep jumping up to eat the leaves of my small apple trees. You only need a tiny about, imagine if you dipped a paint brush into the misture and flicked it at the tree a few times. It had no negative impact on the trees....except for having sh1it on the lol

PS never let a ram in with trees

80sDiesel

JJayoo wrote: »

Haven't noticed a difference between the two to be honest. One thing that has really helped is to prune off a lot of the branches and height when replanting, reduces the demand on the tree/roots in spring and stops the wind from loosening the tree.

All my trees are being planted in fields where sheep are grazed which is a pain as the bastards love to scratch against the trees and posts.

Had problems in the past with sheep and hares skining some trees. Painting on some emulsion stopped the hares. To stop the sheep I had to mix up some sheep sh11te and water and rub some on the bark. This is also how I stopped sheep jumping up to eat the leaves of my small apple trees. You only need a tiny about, imagine if you dipped a paint brush into the misture and flicked it at the tree a few times. It had no negative impact on the trees....except for having sh1it on the lol

PS never let a ram in with trees

Tnks. The place is animal free so I will be using my scythe to control grass growth.
Figure then I will use a mix of both oak

JJayoo

80sDiesel wrote: »

Tnks. The place is animal free so I will be using my scythe to control grass growth.
Figure then I will use a mix of both oak[/quote

I got all the sessile from acorns collected in Union Wood in Sligo. That forest has a lot of deer and because of that there are no young oaks growing. Thankfully we only have the odd deer passing through

Thud

80sDiesel wrote: »

I got all the sessile from acorns collected in Union Wood in Sligo. That forest has a lot of deer and because of that there are no young oaks growing. Thankfully we only have the odd deer passing through

I had deer going at my apple trees, tried a few things but half a bar of Imperial Leather on a bit of twine hanging off a branch seems to have worked

Apiarist

80sDiesel wrote: »

...I will be using my scythe to control grass growth.

https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/forestry/advice/establishment/vegetation-control/

Cutting grass around a tree makes the grass grow faster and use more nutrients. On the other hand, tall grass smoothers a small tree. You need to either trample the grass and cover it with cut grass clippings or wood chips, or use herbicides to kill off the grass around trees.

SmartinMartin

This may be of interest to people in the same situation. I'm looking into it further:

https://www.treesontheland.com/plant-trees/

80sDiesel

victor8600 wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/forestry/advice/establishment/vegetation-control/

Cutting grass around a tree makes the grass grow faster and use more nutrients. On the other hand, tall grass smoothers a small tree. You need to either trample the grass and cover it with cut grass clippings or wood chips, or use herbicides to kill off the grass around trees.

Thanks , never knew that. Have plenty of wood chips so will use that.

tabby aspreme

For anybody planting on rough ground here's a picture of a slightly modified spade I use

80sDiesel

tabby aspreme wrote: »

For anybody planting on rough ground here's a picture of a slightly modified spade I use

This what I use and happy so far.
Spear & Jackson 2007AP MYD Tub... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0044TM5WY?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

80sDiesel

Enjoyable weekend replanting some of the trees. The wild cherry needed more space and deeper soil so I moved a few of them. (Read that during the week on the below Factsheet )

Some of the downy Birch were in wetter soil that I would have liked so moved them and replaced with some Alder.

I replanted the Willows as the dig planting method didn't work for them. Easily done with again with just my spade and create slit and put them in. Lesson learned.

This is a good little factsheet on suitable trees for Irish farmland. PDF download
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ifa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreeSpeciesGuide.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwixnav0i_DeAhXGA8AKHROrCVgQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2YZUDu9wMINqChbDEEQizN&cshid=1543167770579

SmartinMartin

Great guide, thanks. Does anyone know if the native Scots pine extinct? I thought I read that somewhere. I just ask cos I have a big Scots pine, looks to be a couple of hundred years old.

Accidentally

80sDiesel wrote: »

Would love to see a photo if you had one handy?

Not much to see this time of year. Alder is about 25 feet in height. Planted as 2yo bare root whips about 14 years ago

80sDiesel

Accidentally wrote: »

Not much to see this time of year. Alder is about 25 feet in height. Planted as 2yo bare root whips about 14 years ago

Thanks, really appreciate it! It gives me an idea of what kind of winter screening i can expect.

Looking back , would have you done anything different. Like planting them closer or further apart, more denser or less denser .....etc

Accidentally

80sDiesel wrote: »

Thanks, really appreciate it! It gives me an idea of what kind of winter screening i can expect.

Looking back , would have you done anything different. Like planting them closer or further apart, more denser or less denser .....etc

In general it has worked quite well, and has definitely taken some of the sting out of the south east winds. Planting density was fine, and I'd only have ended up thinning if I'd put more in. I may add in some holly and hazel as undergrowth over time, mainly because I have seedlings saved from the forestry anyway.

Try and give your cherries a little bit of protection from the wind if you can. That way flowers might last a little longer in spring.

80sDiesel

Accidentally wrote: »

In general it has worked quite well, and has definitely taken some of the sting out of the south east winds. Planting density was fine, and I'd only have ended up thinning if I'd put more in. I may add in some holly and hazel as undergrowth over time, mainly because I have seedlings saved from the forestry anyway.

Try and give your cherries a little bit of protection from the wind if you can. That way flowers might last a little longer in spring.

Thanks will try but i am pretty open to the elements.

Pretty much figured out my plan for the rest. Wet area boundary will be a mix of Alder and downy birch and dry area will be a mix of alder and silver birch with crab,cherry thrown in. Gonna have one small field with hazle ( will try and produce some, will need some none native mix for this ). Figured the area for my small irish apple orchard.
Scots pine will be planted at the front of the property.

Havent figured yet about the wych elm and oak. Need to do more research.

But have decided to set aside one field to create a colony of aspen. Suckers and all .

Accidentally

80sDiesel wrote: »

Thanks will try but i am pretty open to the elements.

Pretty much figured out my plan for the rest. Wet area boundary will be a mix of Alder and downy birch and dry area will be a mix of alder and silver birch with crab,cherry thrown in. Gonna have one small field with hazle ( will try and produce some, will need some none native mix for this ). Figured the area for my small irish apple orchard.
Scots pine will be planted at the front of the property.

Havent figured yet about the wych elm and oak. Need to do more research.

But have decided to set aside one field to create a colony of aspen. Suckers and all .

Not sure I'd go with elm, unless you found some that are immune to beetles. I spent most of Saturday taking down a 40 year old elm that died during the summer, and I'm sure I'll be repeating the task many times in the future.

Best of luck with it

80sDiesel

Accidentally wrote: »

Not sure I'd go with elm, unless you found some that are immune to beetles. I spent most of Saturday taking down a 40 year old elm that died during the summer, and I'm sure I'll be repeating the task many times in the future.

Best of luck with it

Thanks. Makes my decision easier. Will just go for the common oak.

Bill Hook

SmartinMartin wrote: »

This may be of interest to people in the same situation. I'm looking into it further:

Have you gone ahead and ordered trees from them? I'm looking into this at the moment but I received no reply to an inquiry I sent via e-mail. It would be great to hear from anyone who got trees from them in previous years.

spillcoe

Bill Hook wrote: »

Have you gone ahead and ordered trees from them? I'm looking into this at the moment but I received no reply to an inquiry I sent via e-mail. It would be great to hear from anyone who got trees from them in previous years.

I got trees from them previously - they were sending tree packs out free for a couple of years. Bit disorganised but they are legit. Will probably buy a couple of packs off them again this year.

JJayoo

Have you considered the Holm Oak? It's an evergreen oak.

80sDiesel

JJayoo wrote: »

Have you considered the Holm Oak? It's an evergreen oak.

Keeping it simple by just planting native trees. Hence the quercus robur.

Bill Hook

spillcoe wrote: »

I got trees from them previously - they were sending tree packs out free for a couple of years. Bit disorganised but they are legit. Will probably buy a couple of packs off them again this year.

Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of the trees arriving on a set date which will force me to actually get out and plant a coppice and a native hedge instead of dragging my heels for a few years. Was the quality of the trees OK?

spillcoe

Bill Hook wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of the trees arriving on a set date which will force me to actually get out and plant a coppice and a native hedge instead of dragging my heels for a few years. Was the quality of the trees OK?

Quality of the trees was ok yeah although I'm no expert but seemed similar to any other bare root trees I've bought from nurseries.

80sDiesel

2nd order in.

175 Alder
75 D Birch
75 S Birch
50 Trembling Poplars
10 Pussy willow
100 Oak (robur)
16 Wild Cherry
16 Crab Apple

Accidentally

80sDiesel wrote: »

2nd order in.

175 Alder
75 D Birch
75 S Birch
50 Trembling Poplars
10 Pussy willow
100 Oak (robur)
16 Wild Cherry
16 Crab Apple

That'll keep you busy. Forgot to ask, what county are you in.