Oh cork city, what have you done?????

cardinal tetra

The landscape of cork, its quaint side streets, its crown jewel of patrick street, the whole city, it has been over run by degenerate begfars amd thieves on the street. The homeless problem is a problem but rhese are not homeless. These are con men, they are thieves, they are extortionate filth of the highest order. The city is ruined and we need to act as one to push this filth out. No more giving money to them. Give it to penny dinners or share or simon of you absolutely must. This is not the poor starving homeless, this is chancers, bluffers, blaggards. Its not a class thing. Its not a wealth thing. Its not racism. Its not xenophobia. Its an infestation of peole out for a quick buck and a free ride.

Please dont give money to beggars on the streets of cork this christmas. You are enabling these people by doing so and promoting the influx of these shameful feckers who do nothing but muddy the waters of the needy and desperate in the city center.
Dublin is already overrun with this problem. We camt go the same way. Starve them of their income and feed the genuinely helpless.

Thanks.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Sounds like someone may have had a few pints and a bad run in with a beggar.

cardinal tetra

Not at all. Im back home after a few months away.
The crap spelling is due to phone screen being smashed.
The poor grammer is all me though im afraid.

Lgoing through the city tonight, i was aghast at the number of people in doorways. It looked like london. Cork NEVER had anyting like this problem before. Not one of them was irish.

mire

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Not at all. Im back home after a few months away.
The crap spelling is due to phone screen being smashed.
The poor grammer is all me though im afraid.

Lgoing through the city tonight, i was aghast at the number of people in doorways. It looked like london. Cork NEVER had anyting like this problem before. Not one of them was irish.

Interesting to hear that there are no Irish people sleeping in doorways in the city centre.

That will be news to the family of the woman who died this week. homeless. in a doorway.

Zico !

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Not at all. Im back home after a few months away.
The crap spelling is due to phone screen being smashed.
The poor grammer is all me though im afraid.

Lgoing through the city tonight, i was aghast at the number of people in doorways. It looked like london. Cork NEVER had anyting like this problem before. Not one of them was irish.

Id agree with ya Cork is filthy with beggers -heard on prendeville someone drives them up in a van and collects them after.
Cops should arrest them

.red.

cardinal tetra wrote: »

No more giving money to them. Give it to penny dinners or share or simon of you absolutely must.

If you absolutely must?
This is what makes me think your just a miserable twat with a hidden agenda!
Share and Simon are worthy of a few bob at Christmas but Penny Dinners is one of the best charities out there. Its run properly by genuinely good people and its a lot more than the social degenerates you describe that use it.

I really hope your never down on your luck and need someone's help.

Sonics2k

Zico ! wrote: »

Id agree with ya Cork is filthy with beggers -heard on prendeville someone drives them up in a van and collects them after.
Cops should arrest them

I mean, I can't stand the 'false' beggars around the city, but arrest them for what exactly?

cardinal tetra

.red. wrote: »

If you absolutely must?
This is what makes me think your just a miserable twat with a hidden agenda!
Share and Simon are worthy of a few bob at Christmas but Penny Dinners is one of the best charities out there. Its run properly by genuinely good people and its a lot more than the social degenerates you describe that use it.

I really hope your never down on your luck and need someone's help.

If you are feeling the need to donate to the homeless. Im all for giving money to chariries but these people arent charity, they are speculative thieves. I can see why Brexit was voted for if you open your door every morning to this sort of carry on.

And to the person above, if you were directing your faux outrage about homelessness towards these filthy scoungers amd getting them out of the area, then services, time, money and help could be centered on the likes of that poor woman who died last week. She was neglected because the resourses there for homeless people are stretched to brealkng point to account for these blowins that have no affiliation to the city whatsoever

jackrussel

drive them up from where? they sleep in the doorways of super dry, holland+barret & the old lifestyle sports. sure, they're not irish - theres an irish guy in the doorway to the victoria hotel - but where are they from? theres at least 8 of them sleeping out at night that i pass on the way to work. the gardai have surely paid them a visit just to see if their papers are in order - i wouldn't be 100% they're european

cardinal tetra

jackrussel wrote: »

drive them up from where? they sleep in the doorways of super dry, holland+barret & the old lifestyle sports. sure, they're not irish - theres an irish guy in the doorway to the victoria hotel - but where are they from? theres at least 8 of them sleeping out at night that i pass on the way to work. the gardai have surely paid them a visit just to see if their papers are in order - i wouldn't be 100% they're european

A portion of them are a begging ring, they are dropped off at half 7 at the top of oliver plunkett street amd they are all assigned spits, then every 4 hours, they switch up positions. Theres a number of them living out in the countryside up past rathcormac, more are actually ferried down from Dublin.
Its not the innocent homeless hard on your luck story that these people are coming from, they are organised, aggressive and unwanted in this city.

twowheelsonly

Having also been out and about in the city last night I have to say that I agree. I'd know quite a few of the 'regulars' that have been on the streets or using Cork Simon or Vincents hostel but these guys (and a few girls) are a different breed. I'd agree with the OP that these seem to opportunists rather than genuinely homeless. What struck me was that, whilst bedded down, none of them were actually asleep !!
There's a few out of the way locations around the city that the genuine homeless use and they try to stay out of the way and not be seen - as much for their own safety as anything else. This current crop seem to want to be seen.

SuperSean11

It’s those foreign homeless coming and taking all the doorways away from the Irish

jackrussel

how are they dropped off at half 7 when i see them getting up at half 7 from said doorways? they even leave their bedding at the former lifestyle during the day so I'm not sure we're talking about them same people. these foreign folks have only been around the past month or so.

Mongfinder General

Is Cork "easier" for beggars than Dublin?

cardinal tetra

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Is Cork "easier" for beggars than Dublin?

Yes and no.
The gardai know the usuals in dublin but there is less junkies in cork so people tend to be a bit more naive in giving to them. Not long now before your being 0estered every 30 seconds for change for a hostel.
With this lot will come the heroin. Mark my words. Every degenerate going will flock into the city because its still better then what they came from.
This is the point of bo return for the city center tbh. No coming back from it if this keeps up.

twowheelsonly

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Yes and no.
The gardai know the usuals in dublin but there is less junkies in cork so people tend to be a bit more naive in giving to them. Not long now before your being 0estered every 30 seconds for change for a hostel.
With this lot will come the heroin. Mark my words. Every degenerate going will flock into the city because its still better then what they came from.
This is the point of bo return for the city center tbh. No coming back from it if this keeps up.

The city is already overflowing with heroin and there's a few addicts on the street as well. Generally at night though once they have their money for a fix they tend to get out of the way somewhere, either off the beaten track or in a disused building somewhere. You'll see a few around but it's nowhere nearly as bad as Dublin yet. I'd have some degree of sympathy for them though, as I would for some of the winos and alcoholics, but not for this new breed of scrounger who are no more homeless than I am.

ofcork

Maybe they are only around for Christmas certainly not needed.

cardinal tetra

ofcork wrote: »

Maybe they are only around for Christmas certainly not needed.

The other 11 months of the year they are off robbing elderly people in the countryside.

This is the naivety i was talking about. They are here to stay unless something is done about them.

Rubberchikken

I dont give money to anyone on the street but im not going to take your advice either op. Im very cynical anput homeless charities. Too many of them .

lisasimpson

I see where OP is coming from. Was living in cork up to a year ago.was back for he jazz weekend and it was v noticable on patrick street. Organising beginnig is a problwm in our cities

TrustedApple

I have seen 2 off them with there over the top actions over the past week.

One guy was in a door way near the end of Patrick st and he got up normal walked a but seen me looking at him and started to do a limp I could not hold back the laughter inside.

Then another one was at the back of penny's with a walking stick. She was able to use the stick and basicly lye down at the same time the over action me and the girlfirend were laughing at.

Yes cork has a huge issues with homeless at the moment and it's extramly sad with what is going on as there is proper homeless people in the city and working out who they are and are the ones who need help us getting worse and worse.

whisky_galore

I never give to anyone on the street, hard to tell the genuine cases from the chancers and it just encourages the thing. I do see people begging and attempting to pull the heartstrings accompanied by dogs and children.

TheChizler

Was working outside at my parents house yesterday when a car pulled into the cul de sac. Door opened accompanied by a load of shouting and a little girl barely 4 jumped out. Was running up to doors in the park under direction of what I presume was her mother waiting by the car. She was asking for "any spare change or food for Christmas". Big runny red nose on her, she'd obviously been doing this out in the cold for a while.

I felt incredibly conflicted, I wouldn't ever give money in a situation like that, especially when a preschool child was being taken advantage of. But the asking for food bit threw me, could they be genuine? It wasn't my house to be raiding the cupboards anyway so that decided that. The child went back empty handed and got abuse for doing so by the sounds if it. I have no idea whether this was organised begging and some sort of child abuse or whether they were a genuine hungry case acting desperately. They had gone before I thought to get the reg.

I don't think there's any real reason for children to go hungry is there, with the likes of SVDP and Penny Dinners around?

nlrkjos

We were out in town a few weeks back, saw a lot of these guys on pana, no bother to them, smart phones hanging off them. I am not doing a Joan Burton here, but I cant understand how they have them while begging, if I was that down I'm sure I would sell the phone to get a meal.It is organized, a penny dinner volunteer told me this, and they never show up there for food. Give your few bob to PD's and if you have any decent clothes or toys you don't want, drop them in too, it's not just "homeless" who use their service's.

cardinal tetra

TrustedApple wrote: »

I have seen 2 off them with there over the top actions over the past week.

One guy was in a door way near the end of Patrick st and he got up normal walked a but seen me looking at him and started to do a limp I could not hold back the laughter inside.

Then another one was at the back of penny's with a walking stick. She was able to use the stick and basicly lye down at the same time the over action me and the girlfirend were laughing at.

Yes cork has a huge issues with homeless at the moment and it's extramly sad with what is going on as there is proper homeless people in the city and working out who they are and are the ones who need help us getting worse and worse.

Spikes in doorways. Begging license like busking. Sorts email alll out.gives an idea of who's doing what in the city. Who's on crack. Who is homeless. Where. Registered people in need and then work through them to help them. Quickly see these hooors deck off.

SusieBlue

There is a difference between being wary of potential scammers on the street and suggesting people avoid donating to reputable charities such as Penny Dinners.

In my opinion it can be quite easy to tell apart the chancers from the genuine cases. There's an elderly lady who is consistently begging on Nano Nagle bridge, I often see Irish pensioners giving her cash, and she's actually a neighbour of one of my relatives so isn't homeless at all.

There is also a girl usually outside Uncle Petes, by Paul St. She begs with a full face of make up, brand new runners, and I've seen her a few times texting under her blanket on a smartphone. I think she's a chancer too.

Honestly, after 9-10pm in the dead of winter, no one is sitting on a doorway because they choose to or because they're trying to make money. The chancers will be long gone by then, they'll have made their coin preying on the Saturday shoppers.
The people sleeping in doorways may not be Irish but I for one would hate to be in a foreign country with no family or support and ending up in a situation where I'm sleeping rough.

As for the charities there is none more wholesome than Penny dinners, they truly are a selfless bunch who help those truly in need. They deserve every donation they get and more.

SusieBlue

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Spikes in doorways. Begging license like busking. Sorts email alll out.gives an idea of who's doing what in the city. Who's on crack. Who is homeless. Where. Registered people in need and then work through them to help them. Quickly see these hooors deck off.

Sorry but that's disgusting. No one, anywhere, would sleep in a freezing damp doorway if they had anywhere else they could be. A bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss, I know there's scammers but if you had your way it would be the people most in need that would suffer most.

We already have a system in place where people register for services to be helped, problem is these people don't have addresses or phones so are uncontactable and end up slipping through the cracks, lost in the system.

This issue is far deeper and more complex than "just put spikes in the doorways, arrest them, make them get begging licenses" etc.

Its very naive to suggest that any of these are a solution to the problem. Yes, it would weed out some of the scammers.
But they'd just steal/shoplift etc to make up the shortfall, its not like they'd suddenly become respectable citizens.
Meanwhile those who need the help most will be in an even more vulnerable position than before with even more limited access to resources to help and protect themselves.

j8wk2feszrnpao

WhiteRoses wrote: »

No one, anywhere, would sleep in a freezing damp doorway if they had anywhere else they could be.

Not always true. When I lived in the city we'd a guy who would try sleep inside the apartment gates cause he would drink all day and not be allowed into the shelter.
Not disagreeing with your wider point, but there are people who don't want to make the effort to be helped.

SusieBlue

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Not always true. When I lived in the city we'd a guy who would try sleep inside the apartment gates cause he would drink all day and not be allowed into the shelter.
Not disagreeing with your wider point, but there are people who don't want to make the effort to be helped.

If he had been allowed in the shelter, he would have slept there though, I'm sure. The issue of addiction is a totally different thing entirely.
I agree that some people don't want to be helped. But I'm sure if he had the willpower not to drink, he'd have stayed sober to ensure he had a safe place to stay.
Its very complex. Addiction and homelessness go hand in hand unfortunately.

whisky_galore

Who knew begging could be so lucrative so as to set up begging rings?

Like how much could they possibly make?

Blitzkrieger

Sonics2k wrote: »

I mean, I can't stand the 'false' beggars around the city, but arrest them for what exactly?

Begging?

whisky_galore wrote: »

Like how much could they possibly make?

I've heard a lot more than you think. In Dublin one journalist posing as a beggar got almost 300 in one day.

namloc1980

Blitzkrieger wrote: »

Begging?

Not illegal to beg unless it's in an aggressive manner.

lostinsuperfunk

Why shouldn't homeless people have smartphones? It's hardly as if a smartphone is an expensive luxury item these days.

SusieBlue

lostinsuperfunk wrote: »

Why shouldn't homeless people have smartphones? It's hardly as if a smartphone is an expensive luxury item these days.

I'm not saying she shouldn't have one. But I would say a smartphone is most definitely a luxury item that can be done without, when you don't even have a roof over your head.
Anyway, my point is, I don't think she was even homeless. Her tracksuit was immaculate, her runners were clean and looked newish. She had a full face of make up on and her hair was tidy. She was hiding her smartphone and texting under a blanket. She was wearing quite a lot of jewelry.
I could of course be totally wrong, but I don't think she was homeless.

pwurple

lostinsuperfunk wrote: »

Why shouldn't homeless people have smartphones? It's hardly as if a smartphone is an expensive luxury item these days.

Are you living in a parallel dimension? 
It IS an expensive luxury. No homeless person I know has a phone, let alone a smartphone. We're talking poverty here, not a lifestyle choice.  Where the fook do you charge it? How do you keep it dry? Where does the credit come from? How do you stop yourself trading it for something else or it being robbed by one of your less-than-sober fellow homeless person?

TheChizler

pwurple wrote: »

Are you living in a parallel dimension? 
It IS an expensive luxury. No homeless person I know has a phone, let alone a smartphone. We're talking poverty here, not a lifestyle choice.  Where the fook do you charge it? How do you keep it dry? Where does the credit come from? How do you stop yourself trading it for something else or it being robbed by one of your less-than-sober fellow homeless person?

Do you possibly mean rough sleepers here rather than homeless?

And hostels and the like allow you to charge phones. Not sure about here but in Dublin some overnight shelters advise people check their websites for bed availability.

Zico !

namloc1980 wrote: »

Not illegal to beg unless it's in an aggressive manner.

It is illegal to beg

Zico !

whisky_galore wrote: »

Who knew begging could be so lucrative so as to set up begging rings?

Like how much could they possibly make?

500 euro for 2 days begging in Cork City

irishman86

I have noticed a similar theme in Galway, come christmas time its full of Romani.
I have nothing against giving homeless charities a few pounds in fact id tell people to do it but these chancers are disgusting people who are there to scam people out of money

Wildsurfer

Not from Cork and hadn't been in the city centre with over a year but was there this afternoon shopping and I just couldn't believe all the doorways occupied on Patrick street as darkness fell. That's what brought me to the Cork city forum to see was it a new phenomenon. Surely there can't be that many homeless in a city like Cork that they can't provide a hostel... so sad to see really. But if they refuse a hostel then their motives would need to be questioned alright.

namloc1980

Zico ! wrote: »

It is illegal to beg

No it isn't. Begging is not illegal. It is illegal to beg in an aggressive or threatening manner. The Gardai also have the power to move a beggar on if they see fit but begging in and of itself is not illegal. Check the statute: Criminal Justice Act 2011.

pwurple

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Not from Cork and hadn't been in the city centre with over a year but was there this afternoon shopping and I just couldn't believe all the doorways occupied on Patrick street as darkness fell. That's what brought me to the Cork city forum to see was it a new phenomenon. Surely there can't be that many homeless in a city like Cork that they can't provide a hostel... so sad to see really. But if they refuse a hostel then their motives would need to be questioned alright.

The hostels and shelters are full. And/or refuse drunken , agressive, doped people.

whisky_galore

Zico ! wrote: »

500 euro for 2 days begging in Cork City

Fools and their 'spare change'.

Buckfast W

This is taken from the Galway city thread but same problem.

http://connachttribune.ie/organised-...udge-says-330/

Same thing happening up here in Dublin as well.

Zico !

namloc1980 wrote: »

No it isn't. Begging is not illegal. It is illegal to beg in an aggressive or threatening manner. The Gardai also have the power to move a beggar on if they see fit but begging in and of itself is not illegal. Check the statute: Criminal Justice Act 2011.

Ah tis that act is 6 years old and not relevant

namloc1980

Zico ! wrote: »

Ah tis that act is 6 years old and not relevant

How is the act out of date exactly? Point out the most current statute so please. Thanks.

ofcork

All these romany or whatever they are should be deported.

TrustedApple

ofcork wrote: »

All these romany or whatever they are should be deported.

Can't as bulgera and rommina are part of the EU so means they can come and go as they wish can be deported !!!.

twowheelsonly

TrustedApple wrote: »

Can't as bulgera and rommina are part of the EU so means they can come and go as they wish can be deported !!!.

They can be deported via an Exclusion order but generally they're only issued if the person is a criminal or is convicted of a number of criminal offences.

ofcork

Every doorway on Patrick st was full last night with these beggers.

SusieBlue

ofcork wrote: »

Every doorway on Patrick st was full last night with these beggers.

Anyone sleeping in a doorway is not a begger, they are homeless. No one would sleep outside in these conditions in a hope to garner sympathy for a few euro.
The beggars are the lads sitting next to ATMs on Saturdays while the Christmas shoppers are out in full swing.