Cork Crash/Traffic thread

TheQuietBeatle

Thought it'd be interesting to have a dedicated thread to discuss traffic/crashes in Cork.

The traffic this morning was awful on the N25, it was backed up beyond Carrigtwohill/Middleton. Seems there was a bad accident near Little island and a truck broken down in the tunnel.

namloc1980

Yeah. I went the back road through Glounthaune and half the road was dug up between the Elm Tree and the train station with a contraflow in place.

ShamoBuc

Passed that crash this morning, very serious, car looked very badly damaged.

Then again, not bad at all when compared to what happened in Wexford this evening.

TheQuietBeatle

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Passed that crash this morning, very serious, car looked very badly damaged.

Then again, not bad at all when compared to what happened in Wexford this evening.

Looked really bad. Hope they got out okay.

who_me

I read so much about serious crashes, and - apart from the obvious risk of injury or loss of life! - their impact on traffic flow. It makes me wonder if it would be possible/better to have lower speed limits during peak traffic hours?

You'd likely have fewer accidents, certainly fewer serious accidents which cause blockages and lane closures, less disruptions where one driver brakes and you have a cascade of hard-braking behind.. You probably can have greater density of vehicles on the roads too, at lower speeds (less clearance needed between cars at lower speeds).

whisky_galore

Just sticking up a few speed limit signs won't make people behave.
People will speed when they think they'll get away with it.

When are there ever cops on the South Link, morning or evening, except in the aftermath of an accident?
They will hang around the dual carriageway past the Silver Springs alright. Shooting fish in a barrel revenue collecting job.

Sonics2k

who_me wrote: »

I read so much about serious crashes, and - apart from the obvious risk of injury or loss of life! - their impact on traffic flow. It makes me wonder if it would be possible/better to have lower speed limits during peak traffic hours?

You'd likely have fewer accidents, certainly fewer serious accidents which cause blockages and lane closures, less disruptions where one driver brakes and you have a cascade of hard-braking behind.. You probably can have greater density of vehicles on the roads too, at lower speeds (less clearance needed between cars at lower speeds).

Lowering the speed limit won't do a thing. People drive like absolute bell-ends along the entire stretch from Ballincollig to the tunnel each day.

I drive both a motorbike and car to work, and the amount of mental drivers I see each day is staggering.

People going 80kmh in the overtaking lane, people hogging the overtaking lane, people speeding, cutting across lanes to get to their turn off because they were hogging the overtaking lane, people doing their hair/makeup.

whisky_galore

Sonics2k wrote: »

People going 80kmh in the overtaking lane, people hogging the overtaking lane, people speeding, cutting across lanes to get to their turn off because they were hogging the overtaking lane, people doing their hair/makeup.

Going into the wrong lane on the roundabout approach (shorter queue) and then attempting to slip back into the correct lane on while negotiating the roundabout is another one.

Changing lanes inside the tunnel and general acting the maggot like aggressive tailgating.

boardsuser1

whisky_galore wrote: »

Just sticking up a few speed limit signs won't make people behave.
People will speed when they think they'll get away with it.

When are there ever cops on the South Link, morning or evening, except in the aftermath of an accident?
They will hang around the dual carriageway past the Silver Springs alright. Shooting fish in a barrel revenue collecting job.

You'd see them every now and again on the hard shoulder between the Kinsale Road Roundabout and the Douglas exit.

With the current road works going on there at the moment though, they are less likely to be there.

Not sure are they widening the road or not.

There was a biker killed there a year or 2 ago.

TheQuietBeatle

whisky_galore wrote: »

Going into the wrong lane on the roundabout approach (shorter queue) and then attempting to slip back into the correct lane on while negotiating the roundabout is another one.

The traffic has gotten worse in last 2 months where it seems there's a backlog now also in the Dublin lane by the tunnel. 2019 can't come soon enough for them to implement the new road system.

Sonics2k

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

The traffic has gotten worse in last 2 months where it seems there's a backlog now also in the Dublin lane by the tunnel. 2019 can't come soon enough for them to implement the new road system.

It gets like this every year in the run up to December. There's a massive increase in people going shopping in Mahon Point, temp staff across Mahon.

It doesn't help that there was increase of 4,000 people using the tunnel on a daily basis than was predicted up until 2020.

run_Forrest_run

Another humdinger this morning, along the Rochestown Park Hotel (again). What looked like a fender bender grinds the entire west bound orbital artery of the city to a halt for an hour.

Gardai looked very annoyed having to actually come out and do something :rolleyes:

Sonics2k

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

Another humdinger this morning, along the Rochestown Park Hotel (again). What looked like a fender bender grinds the entire west bound orbital artery of the city to a halt for an hour.

Gardai looked very annoyed having to actually come out and do something :rolleyes:

Gardai were probably far more annoyed that yet another gob****e wasn't paying attention when merging on to the bloody road.

whisky_galore

Sonics2k wrote: »

It gets like this every year in the run up to December. There's a massive increase in people going shopping in Mahon Point, temp staff across Mahon.

It doesn't help that there was increase of 4,000 people using the tunnel on a daily basis than was predicted up until 2020.

Of course the dismal public transport stays as it is, or gets more unbearable to use.
The bus arrival times of the live displays are works of fiction is what I hear from someone I know who has to use it daily. Cork is slowly being strangled by its own success.

In the city I see they're screwing around with the one way streets, of course we'll be told it's for our own good.

run_Forrest_run

Sonics2k wrote: »

Gardai were probably far more annoyed that yet another gob****e wasn't paying attention when merging on to the bloody road.

do you know for a fact that it was a merging incident? As discussed on other threads around here, if there was more Garda presence on that road it might enforce better driving practices.
The Gardai will know very little about this morning because no one was injured, they just spout civil remedy and they are gone again.

boardsuser1

whisky_galore wrote: »

Of course the dismal public transport stays as it is, or gets more unbearable to use.
The bus arrival times of the live displays are works of fiction is what I hear from someone I know who has to use it daily. Cork is slowly being strangled by its own success.

In the city I see they're screwing around with the one way streets, of course we'll be told it's for our own good.

Around the mercy hospital and grattan Street is all changed now and is almost all one way.

Roger Hassenforder

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

As discussed on other threads around here, if there was more Garda presence on that road it might enforce better driving practices.

Fair dues to the copper catching the fcukers shooting down the bus lane on Wilton Rd last week.
Put manners on a few of them hopefully.

boardsuser1

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Fair dues to the copper catching the fcukers shooting down the bus lane on Wilton Rd last week.
Put manners on a few of them hopefully.

+1

This same spot is also a nightmare for crashes.

TheChizler

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Fair dues to the copper catching the fcukers shooting down the bus lane on Wilton Rd last week.
Put manners on a few of them hopefully.

What time was this out of interest? This road maddens me, everybody uses the bus lane when they shouldn't, then nobody uses it when they can and possibly should.

Roger Hassenforder

TheChizler wrote: »

What time was this out of interest? This road maddens me, everybody uses the bus lane when they shouldn't, then nobody uses it when they can and possibly should.

IIRC about 5.30pm wednesday last week, cop with no car/bike i could see)
It sickens my sh1t too!

(Also annoys me, people in the outside lane indicating left when their lane kinks left before the lights).

TheChizler

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

IIRC about 5.30pm wednesday last week, cop with no car/bike i could see)
It sickens my sh1t too!

(Also annoys me, people in the outside lane indicating left when their lane kinks left before the lights).

Fair play to them!

Bugs me too, gives the impression that you're moving left and asking permission to join their lane when they are supposed to yield to you (but inevitably plough on).

kub

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Fair dues to the copper catching the fcukers shooting down the bus lane on Wilton Rd last week.
Put manners on a few of them hopefully.

Ah that is what it was, I had business to drive down Wilton Road a few mornings this week, during rush hour and I was wondering where all the idiots were gone.

seefin

kub wrote:

Ah that is what it was, I had business to drive down Wilton Road a few mornings this week, during rush hour and I was wondering where all the idiots were gone.

I cycle to work so use the bus lane from CUH to Dennehys cross. I hate when cars come up behind me, its the one place a cyclist can feel somewhat secure. I usually show right down and cycle in middle of road so they end up making less progress than if they'd stayed on the correct lane. For other cars it must be annoying seeing some fecker try to skip by so I'm not just doing it for me?

run_Forrest_run

seefin wrote: »

I usually show right down and cycle in middle of road so they end up making less progress than if they'd stayed on the correct lane. For other cars it must be annoying seeing some fecker try to skip by so I'm not just doing it for me?

and this is why car drivers hate cyclists...and why cyclists return the sentiments

whisky_galore

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

and this is why car drivers hate cyclists...and why cyclists return the sentiments

Oddly enough, many cyclists are also car drivers, there's no shortage of fcukwittery to go around whether on 2 wheels or 4.

TheChizler

seefin wrote: »

I cycle to work so use the bus lane from CUH to Dennehys cross. I hate when cars come up behind me, its the one place a cyclist can feel somewhat secure. I usually show right down and cycle in middle of road so they end up making less progress than if they'd stayed on the correct lane. For other cars it must be annoying seeing some fecker try to skip by so I'm not just doing it for me?

As long as you're only doing it between 7:30-9:30 and 16:30-18:30 Monday to Friday...

Using the centre of the lane is fine but I'd be hesitant to intentionally slow down though, you'd be putting their already inflated urge to plough through you into overdrive.

whisky_galore

TheChizler wrote: »

As long as you're only doing it between 7:30-9:30 and 16:30-18:30 Monday to Friday...

Using the centre of the lane is fine but I'd be hesitant to intentionally slow down though, you'd be putting their already inflated urge to plough through you into overdrive.

Think this behaviour is tempting fate. Only takes one hot head.

boardsuser1

Coming down the Wilton road earlier and the usual happens, traffic is queuing up and along comes farmer john in his Honda Jazz undertaking the whole bloody lot.

The new traffic light system going from Victoria Cross outside the old crows nest isn't ideal either.

Alot of people in the left lane who naturally enough want to turn left are stuck at a red light while the other light for straight on turns green.

The reverse has also occurred, before, those lights changed from green to red and red to green together.

j8wk2feszrnpao

seefin wrote: »

I usually show right down and cycle in middle of road so they end up making less progress than if they'd stayed on the correct lane. For other cars it must be annoying seeing some fecker try to skip by so I'm not just doing it for me?

I think you are just doing it for you.
Playing chicken with a ton or two of metal; bets of luck that you don't meet a maniac.
I cycle, I know the rules, but still put my own safety ahead of try to police others.

Roger Hassenforder

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Coming down the Wilton road earlier and the usual happens, traffic is queuing up and along comes farmer john in his Honda Jazz undertaking the whole bloody lot.

The new traffic light system going from Victoria Cross outside the old crows nest isn't ideal either.

Alot of people in the left lane who naturally enough want to turn left are stuck at a red light while the other light for straight on turns green.

The reverse has also occurred, before, those lights changed from green to red and red to green together.

There seems to be a sensor issue there as well, unless youre on top of the ASL, you wont get a right arrow in peak traffic.

kub

I saw a prize idiot on my way home this evening. I was stuck in traffic heading from Victoria Cross to Dennehys Cross.
I am on the inside lane.
2nd vehicle back from the pedestrian lights just before Orchard Road.

The traffic is also very heavy coming in the opposite direction, at a standstill on the inner lane, there, which many of you know is an imaginary one.
Anyway the outer lane on that side is not too bad and traffic is moving along.

So I notice a motor cyclist on the outer lane and he slowed down and stopped at the pedestrian lights as they were red, which as we all know is the correct, safe and legal thing to do.

What does class idiot do? Just as the motor cyclist stopped, this clown passes him on the wrong side of the road.

Unfortunately I did not get his reg but it is a pity there was not a Garda there to witness it.

boardsuser1

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

There seems to be a sensor issue there as well, unless youre on top of the ASL, you wont get a right arrow in peak traffic.

The same place you’d be lucky to get 2/3 cars through before they change.

.red.

Driving along the ballincollig bypass yesterday, doing about 115/120kph and pulled into the overtaking lane as I was coming up to a car doing about 85/90kph.
I noticed the car now in front of me also doing below the limit, nothing wrong with that but he was in the overtaking lane while the driving lane was pretty much empty.
Quick flash of the lights were ignored so I pulled back in and went passed. I then noticed all the cars were in the overtaking lane.
I went passed 7 in total all driving miss daisy at about 100kph, in an overtaking lane with a limit of 120kph.
Fupping idiots, rant over.

namloc1980

People don't know how to drive on dual carriageways. Once they go into the right hand lane a huge number of people just stay there regardless of what is in the main driving lane.

Tom44

Driving was a lot easier and friendlier years ago.
People gave way,
Nobody argued,
Not even me,
No cutting you up.
Cyclists stayed in.










Oohh I miss my BULL BARS.

whisky_galore

Tom44 wrote: »

Driving was a lot easier and friendlier years ago.

Cyclists stayed in.



.

Cyclists weren't there, by and large. At least not in the organised groups we have now.

Ludo

.red. wrote: »

Quick flash of the lights were ignored so I pulled back in and went passed. I then noticed all the cars were in the overtaking lane.
I went passed 7 in total all driving miss daisy at about 100kph, in an overtaking lane with a limit of 120kph.
Fupping idiots, rant over.

Not sure I follow exactly...was it one car at the front of these 7 cars holding everyone else up and they were all waiting for him to move in so they cousl speed up again rather than undertaking?

mordeith

namloc1980 wrote: »

People don't know how to drive on dual carriageways. Once they go into the right hand lane a huge number of people just stay there regardless of what is in the main driving lane.

This is of course true but just as bad are people who think the speed limit in the overtaking lane is 140/150 kph. Up your hole with no stoppage distance when you're doing 120 (or maybe even 125) to overtake those doing 110/115

namloc1980

mordeith wrote: »

This is of course true but just as bad are people who think the speed limit in the overtaking lane is 140/150 kph. Up your hole with no stoppage distance when you're doing 120 (or maybe even 125) to overtake those doing 110/115

They don't really annoy me anymore. I just move in once I've overtaken and leave them off. If they want to risk getting caught speeding/kill themselves then that's their business.

Roger Hassenforder

whisky_galore wrote: »

Cyclists weren't there, by and large. At least not in the organised groups we have now.

Cyclists were there well before we all got our SUVs!

.red.

Ludo wrote: »

Not sure I follow exactly...was it one car at the front of these 7 cars holding everyone else up and they were all waiting for him to move in so they cousl speed up again rather than undertaking?

They were all happily motoring along at 95/100kph in the overtaking lane.
I didn't realise how many cars were in front of me till I pulled back into the driving lane and went passed them all.

whisky_galore

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Cyclists were there well before we all got our SUVs!

Not heaps upon heaps of them in lycra as part of a leisure activity; back then schoolkids, students and people that didn't have a car.

Ludo

So possibly they were waiting for the first car in the line to move in and you went and under took them all. IF this was the case they did nothing wrong from what I can tell. What else are they supposed to do? All undertake? That is illegal, isn't it?

Outkast_IRE

Echo Article on the chemical spill in little island and the ensuing chaos last week.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Plan-is-needed-after-chemical-spill-chaos-in-Little-Island-e46a3696-edcf-4f21-bb4c-66573b32f3c9-ds

I was behind the truck that shed the load and rang it in. I actually felt bad for the people in all the cars as i knew they would be stuck for hours once the fire brigade got on the scene.

whisky_galore

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Echo Article on the chemical spill in little island and the ensuing chaos last week.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Plan-is-needed-after-chemical-spill-chaos-in-Little-Island-e46a3696-edcf-4f21-bb4c-66573b32f3c9-ds

I was behind the truck that shed the load and rang it in. I actually felt bad for the people in all the cars as i knew they would be stuck for hours once the fire brigade got on the seen.

Missed all that fcukery by seconds. Complete screw-up traffic-wise, like something you'd see in India or somewhere.

boardsuser1

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Echo Article on the chemical spill in little island and the ensuing chaos last week.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Plan-is-needed-after-chemical-spill-chaos-in-Little-Island-e46a3696-edcf-4f21-bb4c-66573b32f3c9-ds

I was behind the truck that shed the load and rang it in. I actually felt bad for the people in all the cars as i knew they would be stuck for hours once the fire brigade got on the seen.

If it's the operator i suspect it is then i'm not surprised.

Peanuts & monkey's is a regular connection with that company if it is the one i'm thinking of.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Ludo wrote: »

So possibly they were waiting for the first car in the line to move in and you went and under took them all. IF this was the case they did nothing wrong from what I can tell. What else are they supposed to do? All undertake? That is illegal, isn't it?

If you are in the driving lane, driving at/under the speed limit, and happen to go faster than the vehicle outside you, you are not breaking any law

Undertaking itself I think is illegal, but the real issue here is the person at the top driving in the outer lane while not overtaking.

As for the other cars, if they are also not overtaking, they should be in the driving lane.

Outkast_IRE

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

If it's the operator i suspect it is then i'm not surprised.

Peanuts & monkey's is a regular connection with that company if it is the one i'm thinking of.

From the quick look i had of it, it seemed to me like it was a few unsecured stacked IBCs in the trailer and they came out through the side wall onto to footpath and proceded to spill their contents. They were incredibly lucky not to kill a pedestrian on the footpath as the containers landed right on it.

.red.

Ludo wrote: »

So possibly they were waiting for the first car in the line to move in and you went and under took them all. IF this was the case they did nothing wrong from what I can tell. What else are they supposed to do? All undertake? That is illegal, isn't it?

Im not doing anything wrong if I'm driving at or under the speed limit in the driving lane. The clowns in the wrong lanes are the ones in the wrong. If your not overtaking, don't go into the overtaking lane.

Roger Hassenforder

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not heaps upon heaps of them in lycra as part of a leisure activity; back then schoolkids, students and people that didn't have a car.

Ah. a Different kettle of fish! (But no less entitled to be there).
If we make it safer fir cyclists, they will be more of them and less congestion.
Win win!

Its the fcukers jumping the lights in black around UCC that boil my piss. Absolutely oblivious to how invisible they are, and if i knock one over ive to live with it.

Sonics2k

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Echo Article on the chemical spill in little island and the ensuing chaos last week.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Plan-is-needed-after-chemical-spill-chaos-in-Little-Island-e46a3696-edcf-4f21-bb4c-66573b32f3c9-ds

I was behind the truck that shed the load and rang it in. I actually felt bad for the people in all the cars as i knew they would be stuck for hours once the fire brigade got on the scene.

Lad I work with got stuck there, was over half an hour late because of it. Got an absolute bollocking from a manager and got reprimanded for it too, bloody ridiculous.