Cctv of neighbours dog going in our front garden

lifeandtimes

Hi,

I need opinions on where to go from here.

We live in a cul de sac and a couple of weeks back We noticed dog ezcretment in our front garden. One of our children had walked in it.

Since then it happened a few times and we could never find out who was doing it until one day I looked out my garden and saw a dog doing it's business in it,no collar might I add. I came out and saw the dog go under our garden gate(there is a gap at the side to help facilitate the gate swing as the drive in on an incline) and followed the dog across the road to a house at the end of the cul de sac who's side door was open.

I knocked the door and old man answered. I asked was that his dog that had just gone in there and he said he assumed so.
I told him that his dog had been doing it's business in our garden and my children had been walking through it without noticing. They are 2,5 and 7. I politely asked could he keep his dog in his garden to stop it from doing it and his exact words were "Well dogs will be dogs"
I replied and said that might be but as a dog owner he has a responsibility to keep his dog under control at all times and this certainly wasn't the case and he replied the same again so i was bit fed up at his attitude about it,not even an apology.

I left and said don't let your dog out to roam the streets and go in people's gardens. The discussion hadn't been heated or anything just more this man fobbing me off.

I recently installed cctv to the front of our garden and today my partner who is heavily pregnant rang me quite angrily to say she had trod in dog business and walked in our house and up our new carpets. As you can imagine she is fuming so I asked her to check the cctv and sure enough it's this neighbours dog who has come into our garden and done it.

I'm not sure what to do, our carpets on the stairs etc are ruined for the most part, I can't fill the gap in the gate with wood or anything as it needs to be there to let the gate swing and this neighbour seems to think it's ok to let his dog wonder the streets to do its business in our garden.

Any advice or suggestions from people who have been in this situation before?

Paulw

Contact your local authority Dog Warden and report the issue.

srsly78

Sort out your fence.

Mickeroo

Report it to the dog warden, your local county council should have one. I'm not sure there's much else you can do really.

Doing something about the gap by the gate might also be an idea.

Theboinkmaster

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lifeandtimes

Paulw wrote: »

Contact your local authority Dog Warden and report the issue.

How would I go about that as in what information do I need?

I'm just worried this guy will deny owning the dog in the video and pretend he doesn't have on if the warden calls

Hitman3000

srsly78 wrote:

Sort out your fence.

Or the neighbour can exercise control of his dog.

Rubberchikken

As a dog owner we are responsible people.
On the other hand, have had dogs come into our garden and get busy. Maybe not on a regular basis like you may be having. Truthfully it wouldn't bother me. It washes off shoes buggy wheels carpets etc.
I realise you shouldn't have to endure this and yes you could speak to the dig warden. Maybe that would get the man to stop leaving the dog out. Is he too elderly to exercise the dog? That could be a factor.

gctest50

lifeandtimes wrote: »

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I can't fill the gap in the gate with wood or anything as it needs to be there to let the gate swing..........

Fill the gap, leaving about 25mm of clearance

Then the gate can swing and the dog won't get in ( unless the dog is less than 25mm wide )

thomas anderson.

Return excrement to owner via their mailbox.

It will quickly stop

lifeandtimes

gctest50 wrote: »

Fill the gap, leaving about 25mm of clearance

Then the gate can swing and the dog won't get in ( unless the dog is less than 25mm wide )

Ill have a look and see if i can do something like that, I was thinking maybe chicken wire as it can drag on the ground and bend so wouldn't bee so much of an issue.

I'm still annoyed about the carpet. My partner didn't see it as you step out the car into the grass, she's not to blame but really we shouldn't have to be dealing with it in the first place.

I know legislation says his dog needs to be under control at all times and he is just opening his side gate to let it out.

Also a note I've seen him walk the dog before so it's not because he is really elderly he's not. Maybe early 60s

clfy39tzve8njq

Theboinkmaster wrote:

Can you just tell the man next time it happens you'll be leaving out poison and his dog will be dead.

Please don't do this it's not the poor dogs fault.

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Pat Mustard

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Can you just tell the man next time it happens you'll be leaving out poison and his dog will be dead.

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Except in the case of vermin or insects, administering poison to animals is prohibited by law. This is a suggestion to threaten to engage in illegal behaviour. No more of this please.

sillysocks

We had a very similar issue lately, after many times knocking at the doors of the owners we ended up reporting them to the council. We didn't even have cctv but knew exactly who's dog was causing it. The council didn't ask for 'proof'. It's actually the litter warden that deals with dog dirt, and when I finally could get through to speak with him he was very helpful, and arranged for himself and the dog warden to call out. They were just leaving the dog out a couple of times a day and never were with the dog.

Thankfully things have improved since then and have had no issue since. I guess it depends on how the person reacts to a visit but it seems to have worked for us.

It really is so frustrating, especially if you aren't even a dog owner then having to clean up after someone else's. Our kids stepped in it a couple of times and the neighbours reaction was "why would your kids step in it?"..... eh they're 3 and 5 and don't know any better!

Pat Mustard

thomas anderson. wrote: »

Return excrement to owner via their mailbox.

It will quickly stop

Mod:

"Via their mailbox"?

Right, any more suggestions which breach the forum charter or boards.ie rules will incur cards and/or bans without further notice.

tringle

I understand you have to leave a gap under the gate to allow it to swing on the incline. Can you place something non permanent against the gap to prevent the dog coming in, something like a plank that you can move when opening/closing. I have a pallet closing off a gap we need to gain access to the oil tank.

amber2

ALDI had roll of garden wire recently was only about €8.... May be a cheap Solution. Or plastic hexagonal mesh & tie wrap it onto the end of the gate, used this recently and it works perfect.

emeldc

Attach a moving flap at the bottom of the gate. It will stop the dog getting under it but still allow you to open the gate into the incline. Failing that there are special hinges you can get (don't know what they're called) that make the gate rise up as you open it and drop down again as you close it.

CPTM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Truthfully it wouldn't bother me. It washes off shoes buggy wheels carpets etc.

Ah true but it gets stuck in crevices and you're left sacrificing the oldest tooth brush to scrub it out..

OP, it's not right or fair, or nice or reasonable.. It might even be illegal.. But sometimes the reality outweighs all of these things in life. Ultimately I don't think you'll get anywhere with the ol' man or his dog. You're most efficient solution will be to find a clever way to keep that dog out. How would you feel about taking a picture of the bottom of the gate for us.. I'm sure us boardsies will come up with a few ideas..

Is there room for the gate to open the other way? So that the bottom is tight with the ground when closed, and then opens towards the down slope..?

seamus

You have two avenues for complaint here:

1. The Dog Warden, for his failure to keep his dog under effectual control, wear a collar. And most likely doesn't have a licence either.

2. The Litter Warden. Dog fouling is considered a littering offence.

Complain to both.

lifeandtimes

sillysocks wrote: »

We had a very similar issue lately, after many times knocking at the doors of the owners we ended up reporting them to the council. We didn't even have cctv but knew exactly who's dog was causing it. The council didn't ask for 'proof'. It's actually the litter warden that deals with dog dirt, and when I finally could get through to speak with him he was very helpful, and arranged for himself and the dog warden to call out. They were just leaving the dog out a couple of times a day and never were with the dog.

Thankfully things have improved since then and have had no issue since. I guess it depends on how the person reacts to a visit but it seems to have worked for us.

It really is so frustrating, especially if you aren't even a dog owner then having to clean up after someone else's. Our kids stepped in it a couple of times and the neighbours reaction was "why would your kids step in it?"..... eh they're 3 and 5 and don't know any better!

Thanks at least someone else has been in the same situation as me. I think this will be the best course of action.

As for poisoning the dog I most certainly won't do that. I do love dogs but don't have one so I don't want to be cleaning up after another persons, especially as they don't seem to care for it enough to let it roam the streets without a care

Stone Deaf 4evr

Is there not some sort of repellant - like a pepper pellet that can be got to keep animals out of your yard?

a quick google yielded a few suggesions, all harmless to the animal.

https://www.thespruce.com/use-dog-repellents-2132575

OnDraught

lifeandtimes wrote: »

Was your pet entering their property and deficating in it?

I'm not saying I would even mention it but you say your speaking from experience and if your animal hasn't done anything why would they say it?

No it was a different issue that was completely irrational based purely on a dislike of animals as a whole. He had the whole road turn on him after the threat was made and the neighbours were made aware of it.

Make a big threat like that and expect a response.

I do think what you're experiencing is completely unacceptable and I wouldn't be inclined to let it go either.

lifeandtimes

So I'm going to report the issue to the dog warden and litter warden with my evidence.

Ill also be looking at blocking the bottom of our gate even with a temp measure.

Does anyone have any advice on what to do about the carpet? Should I bring it up with the neighbour or is it a lost cause?

dublintweety

You won't even need evidence. I had the same problem & emailed the local dog warden & he actually came out the same day as I heard via another neighbour (she didn't know I had reported) about how so & so had the dog warden out to her because of her dog wandering. The carpet will clean - even though its not a nice job.

realdanbreen

God be with the days when a fella would go out and give the dog a kick up in the hole and that would be the end of it! Nowadays a fella has to ask online how to deal with it!

lifeandtimes

realdanbreen wrote: »

God be with the days when a fella would go out and give the dog a kick up in the hole and that would be the end of it! Nowadays a fella has to ask online how to deal with it!

That's not the example I want to set for my kids nor was it the example set for me.

It's not the dogs fault but it's owner

realdanbreen

lifeandtimes wrote: »

That's not the example I want to set for my kids nor was it the example set for me.

It's not the dogs fault but it's owner

Why do you have to tell the kids?

Hitman3000

lifeandtimes wrote:

It's not the dogs fault but it's owner

Give the owner a kick up the hole, out of sight of the children of course. ;-)

Stoner

lifeandtimes wrote:

Does anyone have any advice on what to do about the carpet? Should I bring it up with the neighbour or is it a lost cause?

I think you should just clean the carpets. I was reading between the lines that you are potentially investigating a route to some sort of compensation for the damage caused.

I don't think you will get anywhere with that. The only way that would happen imo is if they offered,.as they should but it doesn't sound likely unfortunately

I've a very similar situation. I've a good wall and electric gates. Many times a neighbours dog would run in after the car to do it's business.

Now it's all about doing it on the road. I shout at the dog when it's in my garden, that worked . We have a buggy and a toddler, my wife's friend has stepped out of her car into it, again 5 months pregnant.

That one really annoyed me.

I've called in about 5 times now. They always clean it up, but they think that's enough.

The odd time there's a big deal made about the clean up to show they do it. It's a nice little dog , it's not it's fault.

Regarding the suggestion of putting it in their letter box, rightly the mod actioned this, I'd never attempt such a stunt however for what it's worth another neighbor bagged it called into her and said "your dog left this in my garden" and lobbed it into her house.
It didn't address the issue.
They let the dog out because they are too lazy and think the other nighbour is mad as "everyone let's their dog out"

So no amount of calling in has addressed it completely

I have not complained to the warden or council, I know I should. Another neighbor has moved the dirt from the path to their driveway.

TBH I'd rather not report a neighbor to the authorities.
It's very very slowly improving as I continue to call in when it happens.
Forcing them to clean it up.

But only when I'm 100 percent it's her dog.

It's a slow education process for my neighbor. But I'm showing that's its not the easy option to do this.
I just have an issue reporting them I guess if I hadn't seen the improvement then I would report them. There is nothing intimidating about it, I'd rather continue to improve things slowly.

There's no way into my garden btw. So I'd fix your boundary ASAP regardless.

I'd never hurt the animal (altough I do shout and pat her dog on the bum moving her towards her own house, much to the dogs delighted, she's a lovely little dog that has no choice because her owners are too lazy to walk her and bag it, it's just part of the making a scene that's working at the moment)

So if you are only worried about your garden then you might as well get the fense fixed, it will work for most dogs then.

If your neighbor is beyond being educated to taking care of his dog then you might have to resort to calling the warden, but I don't think your CCTV footage, courts, cleaning fees new carpets etc will happen.
Fixing the fense will be cheaper.

endacl

lifeandtimes wrote: »

How would I go about that as in what information do I need?

I'm just worried this guy will deny owning the dog in the video and pretend he doesn't have on if the warden calls

Then it's a stray and the warden can remove it.

SteM

lifeandtimes wrote: »

Ill have a look and see if i can do something like that, I was thinking maybe chicken wire as it can drag on the ground and bend so wouldn't bee so much of an issue.

I'm still annoyed about the carpet. My partner didn't see it as you step out the car into the grass, she's not to blame but really we shouldn't have to be dealing with it in the first place.

I know legislation says his dog needs to be under control at all times and he is just opening his side gate to let it out.

Also a note I've seen him walk the dog before so it's not because he is really elderly he's not. Maybe early 60s

Yeah, chicken wire and cable ties will do the trick. We had to do this for the same reason unfortunately. It scrapes when the gate opens but no more dog poop.

endacl

lifeandtimes wrote: »

That's not the example I want to set for my kids nor was it the example set for me.

It's not the dogs fault but it's owner

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Does the owner own a hole?

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Pat Mustard

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Posts re threats deleted. Back on topic please and no more of that.

clfy39tzve8njq

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Again this is punishing the animal so please don't do it.

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BloodBath

Keep an eye out for the dog. A swift boot up the arse mid ****e will stop him coming into your garden. Problem solved.

You don't have to hurt the dog. Just let him know that's what awaits whenever he tries to **** in your garden. He will quickly stop.

You're wasting your time reporting it. The dog's habbit is to **** in your garden. It's the dog's behaviour that needs to be fixed, not the owners. You already seen what his attitude is like. A dog warden going to him won't change anything.

pilly

Chicken wire works to keep my little one in the back

Sleeper12

It's muppets like this guy that gets dogs and dog owners a bad name

The dog shouldn't be out on its own.

SteM

BloodBath wrote: »

Keep an eye out for the dog. A swift boot up the arse mid ****e will stop him coming into your garden. Problem solved.

You don't have to hurt the dog. Just let him know that's what awaits whenever he tries to **** in your garden. He will quickly stop.

You're wasting your time reporting it. The dog's habbit is to **** in your garden. It's the dog's behaviour that needs to be fixed, not the owners. You already seen what his attitude is like. A dog warden going to him won't change anything.

You think the owner's behaviour doesn't need to be fixed? Nonsense, of course it does and the threat of a fine will change it quickly.

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And if he's not chipped ? Have you ever been to a dog pound terrifying places for poor misfortune animals

ganmo

Georgia Drab Ringworm wrote: »

And if he's not chipped ? Have you ever been to a dog pound terrifying places for poor misfortune animals

The pound will keep the dog for 5 days then you can take the dog as yours. It's pretty clear in the control of dogs act.

Mod

Where does Dog Control Legislation say that.?

You know who owns the dog

Toots

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If the dog isn't microchipped, the pound will euthanise the dog if it's not claimed in a certain amount of time.

OP, the dog and litter warden are your best bets here. Also, keep an eye out and see if the dog is hitting any other neighbour's gardens - I'd say if he's going in yours it's very likely he goes in other gardens as well. If several neighbours complained to the litter warden the owner may be more likely to get a fine.

clfy39tzve8njq

ganmo wrote:

The pound will keep the dog for 5 days then you can take the dog as yours. It's pretty clear in the control of dogs act.

Your romantic impression of dog pounds tells me you've never had dealings with them.

BloodBath

SteM wrote: »

You think the owner's behaviour doesn't need to be fixed? Nonsense, of course it does and the threat of a fine will change it quickly.

He's in his 60's and still has no cop on. You think a warning/fine is going to change that at this stage?

It would be easier to correct the dogs behaviour.

ganmo

Georgia Drab Ringworm wrote: »

Your romantic impression of dog pounds tells me you've never had dealings with them.

romantic? i may start writing a book if ya thought that was romantic.

i've had too much dealings with the wardens, and after the last time i won't bother due to their lack of enforcement of the law

lifeandtimes

Hi everyone op here,

So an update, I went to the neighbour yesterday with the footage of his dog going in our garden after I had already been and asked him to stop.

The outcome of which is he used really bad language and said his dog has every right to roam just like cats and that I was making a big deal out of nothing. I informed him I will be contact the dog warden about it as i had already told him to stop and now our carpet is ruined not to mention the danger it poses to my pregnant partner and he told me to "f**k off"

So I contacted the warden and today they came out. I had the day off so he called into me first so I could show him the footage and explain things in person. He went to the neighbours house but there was no answer. The dog at the time was on the road. The warden took the dog and said as there's no collar he has no option but to take it to the pound. He said if the dog is microchipped they'll contact the owner to collect and if not then the owner will have to make contact with them. Hopefully seeing as I told him I was contacting the warden when he realises his dog is not there he will know where to contact.

I didn't want it too come to this but felt I was left with no option as it has happened to many times and I politely informed the dog owner twice and was met with hostility.

I've put some chicken wire on my gate which looks like it will do the trick if the owner gets his dog back and let's it out again.

pilly

lifeandtimes wrote: »

Hi everyone op here,

So an update, I went to the neighbour yesterday with the footage of his dog going in our garden after I had already been and asked him to stop.

The outcome of which is he used really bad language and said his dog has every right to roam just like cats and that I was making a big deal out of nothing. I informed him I will be contact the dog warden about it as i had already told him to stop and now our carpet is ruined not to mention the danger it poses to my pregnant partner and he told me to "f**k off"

So I contacted the warden and today they came out. I had the day off so he called into me first so I could show him the footage and explain things in person. He went to the neighbours house but there was no answer. The dog at the time was on the road. The warden took the dog and said as there's no collar he has no option but to take it to the pound. He said if the dog is microchipped they'll contact the owner to collect and if not then the owner will have to make contact with them. Hopefully seeing as I told him I was contacting the warden when he realises his dog is not there he will know where to contact.

I didn't want it too come to this but felt I was left with no option as it has happened to many times and I politely informed the dog owner twice and was met with hostility.

I've put some chicken wire on my gate which looks like it will do the trick if the owner gets his dog back and let's it out again.

So you've put the chicken wire on the gate? What then was the point of calling the dog warden?

I think it's quite a cruel thing to subject the dog to. The owner probably doesn't give a fcuk so all you've done is upset the dog.

Well done.

BloodBath

And made an enemy in your neighbour. A swift boot up the arse for the dog was the easiest option.

pilly

OSI wrote: »

The dog was left out on the road in the middle of the day on it's own. It's clearly being neglected so what use is it leaving it stuck with the owner?

Now that is bull****. Are you really saying that all dog owners are beside their dogs 24 hours a day? I think you'll find not. Don't be so ridiculous. It is not neglect.

A dog who obviously doesn't wander off if he was still on the road was out wandering around, how is that neglect?