Toyota Auris Hybrid

Guess_Who

I’m looking at replacing my 8 year old diesel car in the new year and going to take an Audi’s Hybrid for an extended weekend test drive to get a feel for it & see what the fuel efficiency is like.

Current situation, I drive 22km to work on motorway but drive home through town so it’s approx 10km city driving. I drive Dublin to Cork once a month, maybe twice some months but I see that reducing in a year or so.

Has anyone on here got an Auris Hybrid and how would you rate it? I love driving and one of my concerns is only having the option of an automatic. My main reason for considering a hybrid is that the resale value will likely be stronger than diesel in 5 years time, but also as a secondary reason there’s the environmental impact of getting another diesel.

Has anyone on here ever regretted the switch to hybrid?

bp_me

Guess_Who wrote: »

Current situation, I drive 22km to work on motorway but drive home through town so it’s approx 10km city driving. I drive Dublin to Cork once a month, maybe twice some months but I see that reducing in a year or so.

Driven at the speed limit (gps rather than indicated) it will return approx 6.5l/100km on motorway.

Guess_Who wrote: »

Has anyone on here got an Auris Hybrid and how would you rate it? I love driving and one of my concerns is only having the option of an automatic.

Just have an open mind. Its not the same type of automatic that you might be used to thinking about; there are no gears. The whole thing is (almost) seamless. Once you get used to driving it you will find that normal autos do silly things (like having variable creep speeds depending on engine temperatures). Also the way the motors provide power takes some getting used to.

Only issue with mine is for such a large car Toyota did a pretty poor job of assigning internal space!

peposhi

A colleague of mine bought an Auris Hybrid in 171. He now says he wished he’d bought a BEV instead...

Guess_Who

peposhi wrote: »

A colleague of mine bought an Auris Hybrid in 171. He now says he wished he’d bought a BEV instead...

As long as I'm doing regular drives to Cork for work a BEV is a no go for me. Hoping that'll change in the next 3 - 5 years or that battery will have improved enough

Bigus

10 km through town is ideal hybrid territory, also I put money on it you'll never want to go back to manual for your daily driver ever.
If in the future you really yearn a stick shift buy an old mx5 for the summer and weekends on classic insurance.
I'm hopping between 1.8 hybrid and a 1.6 tdi Dsg golf at the moment and there's nothing between them on the motorway, but the hybrid is miles ahead in town, and will be even bigger gap if it gets cold.

bp_me

Bigus wrote: »

10 km through town is ideal hybrid territory, also I put money on it you'll never want to go back to manual for your daily driver ever.
If in the future you really yearn a stick shift buy an old mx5 for the summer and weekends on classic insurance.
I'm hopping between 1.8 hybrid and a 1.6 tdi Dsg golf at the moment and there's nothing between them on the motorway, but the hybrid is miles ahead in town, and will be even bigger gap if it gets cold.

You might be surprised at the dip you see in hybrid economy in Winter (short city commuting and demanding heat from the engine is a bad combination).

Hmmm, I was able to manage 4.6 L/100 Kms in the winter in the MK II Prius and 4.4 Summer. Prius isn't a small car either.

It does take time to learn how to drive the hybrid system efficiently.

I'm not sure if this works with the Auris but in the MK II there was a position on the throttle that allowed you to find neutral and would allow you to coast, this was on the energy monitor with no energy flowing to the motor or bak to the battery.

Coasting allowed you to travel by momentum , using the energy already consumed then you use a blip of the throttle if you need more power and use battery only. This worked up to about 74 Kph and this did not mean you had to drive at a max of 74 Kph but there are many driving situations where you would drive at up to 74 Kph.

There were many villages in Ireland I could go through by simply coasting and using some battery to keep me moving.

The trick is learning not to slow down so that you need more energy to move again.

I have no experience with any other hybrid so not sure if the same applies.

All electric cars have this neutral position too allowing you to coast.

Regen is fine and is useful when you need to brake but it only recovers a small amount of energy that has been used so the idea here is to use as little energy as possible.

Say you are coming down a hill and can roll without power, you can maintain say 60 Kph, then you need more power gently press the throttle so that you run only on battery and the engine does not kick in.

The Prius had an EV button which you never press unless you're at traffic lights and the engine won't shut off, it's not meant for driving because it runs down the battery very quickly and the system becomes very inefficient.

Guess_Who

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not sure if this works with the Auris but in the MK II there was a position on the throttle that allowed you to find neutral and would allow you to coast, this was on the energy monitor with no energy flowing to the motor or bak to the battery.

Coasting allowed you to travel by momentum , using the energy already consumed then you use a blip of the throttle if you need more power and use battery only. This worked up to about 74 Kph and this did not mean you had to drive at a max of 74 Kph but there are many driving situations where you would drive at up to 74 Kph.

There were many villages in Ireland I could go through by simply coasting and using some battery to keep me moving.

The trick is learning not to slow down so that you need more energy to move again.

I have no experience with any other hybrid so not sure if the same applies.

All electric cars have this neutral position too allowing you to coast.

Regen is fine and is useful when you need to brake but it only recovers a small amount of energy that has been used so the idea here is to use as little energy as possible.

Say you are coming down a hill and can roll without power, you can maintain say 60 Kph, then you need more power gently press the throttle so that you run only on battery and the engine does not kick in.

The Prius had an EV button which you never press unless you're at traffic lights and the engine won't shut off, it's not meant for driving because it runs down the battery very quickly and the system becomes very inefficient.

Did you learn this all through trial an error or is there a "hybrid driving for dummies" that I can reference?

bp_me

Guess_Who wrote: »

Did you learn this all through trial an error or is there a "hybrid driving for dummies" that I can reference?

You'll find all sorts of videos on youtube explaining how to achieve the best MPG. But the advice basically boils down to anticipate a long way down the road and avoid slowing down as much as possible.

The tech has come on somewhat since Mad_Lads mkII and under the right conditions MGU2 is able to solely provide drive up to 100kph (maybe higher... that's the highest I've ever seen it do it). You wont be able to accelerate to this using only electric but if you were charging down a long gradient and got to a high state of charge the BMS will want to discharge the battery as soon as possible and this will include driving a little on solely electric.

zilog_jones

The current Auris Hybrid uses the same powertrain as the 3rd generation Prius. A lot of what Mad_Lad said is also applicable.

I have a 2012 1st gen Prius Plug-in (basically 3rd gen Prius with a larger battery). For motorway driving it works pretty much the same as the normal hybrids, and with cruise control set to 120 km/h (130 km/h indicated) I can reliably get 5.6 l/100km - I'm not afraid of flooring it to get up to speed either. The Auris has slightly worse aerodynamics so might be a bit less efficient, but shouldn't be too far off (I'm surprised by bp_me's figures).

It uses the engine for cabin heating like any water-cooled ICE car, so in winter this may increase idling time - short trips may return pretty bad fuel economy, but overall it's not so bad. I'd recommend getting heated seats if you can to alleviate this issue, but it looks like it's not an option over here (typical Paddy Spec nonsense, as it's available elsewhere :rolleyes:).

There are plug-in hybrids available which may be able to do your commute entirely in EV mode (mine won't as its range is only about 16km), but they are silly money if buying new (Prius PHV is pretty much saleproof at €37k).

Guess_Who wrote: »

I love driving and one of my concerns is only having the option of an automatic.

There's really nothing to be concerned about - for normal commutes and long distance driving, I'd hate to go back to a manual. And I like driving too. I have no problems switching back to a manual when needs be, but it's just tedious in a normal car. Going back to the noise and vibration of a diesel would make you wonder why you ever bothered with that muck

bp_me

zilog_jones wrote: »

(I'm surprised by bp_me's figures).

I do mostly short, hilly, city driving. On a decent drive (example Waterford to Cork Airport) I'll come close to hitting the official figures. Winter is worse with heat demand and time wasted running the ICE while defrosting the windscreen.

zilog_jones

I meant more the 6.5 l/100km on the motorway - I would have expected better than that. For long distances I don't get significantly worse consumption in the winter as the ICE in mine is running all the time over 85 km/h anyway. On N roads sticking to 100 km/h I'd get closer to 4.8-5.0 l/100km (in hybrid mode) - again mostly cruise control and no fancy driving techniques, and aircon on most of the time when it's cold and damp.

thierry14

Bit silly imo buying a non pluggin hybrid when you have a 22km commute that pluggin hybrids can do on electric

Auris Hybrid is no better on fuel than my 13 year old diesel Fabia on the open road and dog slow to boot, my friend has a Yaris Hybrid and does 7l/100km on the motorway, he's not happy with t

I would get something like this Kia Optima if buying used

Much nicer car than an Auris, 6 year warranty, decent power, can do 50km on electric up to 75mph

You'll save a fortune compared to old hat Auris Hybrid tech

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612080435424?search-target=usedcars&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=m52ty&model=OPTIMA&sort=atcustom&page=1&price-from=500&make=KIA&version=b&fuel-type=Hybrid&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Whatever you get on the motorway is irrelevant, it's the combined, motorway + non motorway that matters, what you loose on the motorway you will gain off it. The opposite is true of a diesel in slower driving especially town and city driving.

Look up pulse and glide, and before people instantly dismiss the videos on you tube ( which always happens ) just realise that they're demonstrating the technique and does not indicate that you have to drive like this or that speed all the time.

However way you look at it there are plenty of opportunities to use pulse and glide which is basically coasting then using the electric only power for a boost then coasting then electric boost etc. It really works and indeed you do have to read the road ahead.

Regen is best used only when you need more stopping power, remember regen only recovers a fraction of the power you consume so the idea is to save as much power as possible.

zilog_jones

thierry14 wrote: »

Auris Hybrid is no better on fuel than my 13 year old diesel Fabia on the open road and dog slow to boot

Do you have it on Eco Mode or something? I find my Prius has sufficient power (again, same powertrain as Auris Hybrid, about 136 bhp combined), and is much more responsive than any typical 90-110 bhp diesel I've driven. I can get up to motorway speeds with ease, and overtaking is no problem.

I would get something like this Kia Optima if buying used

Much nicer car than an Auris, 6 year warranty, decent power, can do 50km on electric up to 75mph

You'll save a fortune compared to old hat Auris Hybrid tech

They are so rare and so little is known about the Hyundai/Kia hybrids that I'd find it hard to recommend one. The fact they have a dual clutch transmission suggests they are the "old hat" compared to the planetary gearsets in Toyota/Lexus hybrids, and the 40 MPG US EPA hybrid mode rating (48 MPG imp., 5.88 l/100km) does not inspire much confidence in their efficiency. Either way, it's a much bigger car (made for yanks really) which the OP may not want.

bp_me

zilog_jones wrote: »

I meant more the 6.5 l/100km on the motorway - I would have expected better than that. For long distances I don't get significantly worse consumption in the winter as the ICE in mine is running all the time over 85 km/h anyway. On N roads sticking to 100 km/h I'd get closer to 4.8-5.0 l/100km (in hybrid mode) - again mostly cruise control and no fancy driving techniques, and aircon on most of the time when it's cold and damp.

The M9 seems to be horrid on fuel.

If in the UK or on Continental europe I can easily gain 1-1.5L/100km.

My graph is horrible because I really only do two types driving; a) the hilly short city stuff or b) motorway at a gps indicated 120kph. If I did more N road driving or drove slower on the motorway it would be a lot better.

Casati

I’d still buy an Auris hybrid, it’s an acceptable looking car for most people, has good spec and economy which is on par with diesel overall. With Toyota staying they are not interested in diesel I would tend to stay away from any of their diesels, they have never been as good as the completion anyway

A plug-in hybrid would be ideal for the OP but the problem is we have so few cars to chose from, Cars like the Golf GTE would be a good option for the OP but your looking at another 10k to buy one. Ioniq plug in might be an option by I don’t think it has launched yet

Guess_Who

Casati wrote: »

A plug-in hybrid would be ideal for the OP but the problem is we have so few cars to chose from, Cars like the Golf GTE would be a good option for the OP but your looking at another 10k to buy one. Ioniq plug in might be an option by I don’t think it has launched yet

Thank you. I'm pushing the budget as it is to consider a hybrid so I'm thinking of taking PCP option so that in 3 years time plug ins may have become more affordable, or i just pay the balloon payment & keep the Auris. Or by that time regular trips to Cork may be a thing of the past & I can just go full electric

bp_me

Guess_Who wrote: »

Thank you. I'm pushing the budget as it is to consider a hybrid so I'm thinking of taking PCP option so that in 3 years time plug ins may have become more affordable, or i just pay the balloon payment & keep the Auris. Or by that time regular trips to Cork may be a thing of the past & I can just go full electric

If you are buying on finance you could consider toyota's current "free" upgrade to hybrid on the CHR. It's a bigger roomier car than the auris

Guess_Who

bp_me wrote: »

If you are buying on finance you could consider toyota's current "free" upgrade to hybrid on the CHR. It's a bigger roomier car than the auris

It's an extra €7k to finance though and mostly it's just me in the car

I had a CHR hybrid last week for 4/5 days and 400 miles. Two 100 mile motorway trips and the rest was urbanish driving with quite a bit of stop start stuck in traffic not moving anywhere fast type motoring.

Indicated 54mpg over that and I calculated the usage to be 50mpg when I brimmed it before giving it back. Allowing for the reality that I quite likely gave it back slightly fuller than I got it I reckon 50mpg+ is very realistic in a CHR even with 50% motorway driving on cruise control.

An Auris would be lighter on fuel I'd imagine.

I was driving normally

The onlt car I've driven in the last year that bettered it mpg wise was a little Fabia diesel at 55mpg.

scooby77

Augeo wrote: »

I had a CHR hybrid last week for 4/5 days and 400 miles. Two 100 mile motorway trips and the rest was urbanish driving with quite a bit of stop start stuck in traffic not moving anywhere fast type motoring.

Indicated 54mpg over that and I calculated the usage to be 50mpg when I brimmed it before giving it back. Allowing for the reality that I quite likely gave it back slightly fuller than I got it I reckon 50mpg+ is very realistic in a CHR even with 50% motorway driving on cruise control.

An Auris would be lighter on fuel I'd imagine.

I was driving normally

The onlt car I've driven in the last year that bettered it mpg wise was a little Fabia diesel at 55mpg.

How was it to drive? Would you buy 1 or at least recommend?

How much are they new with decent spec ?

Guess_Who

Auris is 26k for the Luna Sport Spec & the CHR is 33k for the same spec

Guess_Who

Picked it up this morning & have done a combo of motorway & local driving. Currently at 5l per 100km.

Think that's pretty good? Lovely car to drive too!

scooby77

scooby77 wrote: »

How was it to drive? Would you buy 1 or at least recommend?

Fine bus IMO.
It sort of encourages responsible driving... all nice and relaxed.
For a high enough car bodyroll wasn't noticeable really and it felt very surefooted..... very well put together too.
I can see why Toyota have gone petrol hybrid over diesel TBH.

The adaptive cruise control was great too... never driven with that before.

I'd probably go is300h though over a CHR though.

CVT is a bit meh when accelerating.... as much noise as progress if you really hoof it. Nothing's perfect

The mpg was really impressive I thought and the CHR looks well to me.

Guess_Who

Guess_Who wrote: »

Auris is 26k for the Luna Sport Spec & the CHR is 33k for the same spec

33 k would get you an I3 Rex with larger battery , probably not huge spec but you can be lucky.

Great car just did my first long spin in mine today.

grogi

thierry14 wrote: »

Bit silly imo buying a non pluggin hybrid when you have a 22km commute that pluggin hybrids can do on electric

Auris Hybrid is no better on fuel than my 13 year old diesel Fabia on the open road and dog slow to boot, my friend has a Yaris Hybrid and does 7l/100km on the motorway, he's not happy with that

I don't know what your friend is doing, but my old Prius would not get above 6.0 on a motorway. It would drop to 5.5 when driving slower, around 110 km/h.

Over a full tank of petrol I could never manage less than 5.5 L/100 Km driving the MK II Prius like I stole it.

It's the combined driving thot a particular trip that matters or rather the mpg per tank.

Scottie99

We have a Auris hybrid (Mrs). Great for city driving but that's about it.
Would I buy another? No. I'd rather she got a plug in hybrid or larger battery EV.

konline

I have two hybrids, Prius 10 year old and Yaris hybrid 2+ yrs. I get 5.2l/100km on Prius and on Yaris i get 5.0l or less/100km. I used to get 7.8l/100km on my old Nissan automatic, so very happy with my hybrids.

Guess_Who

Just did a spin to Wicklow on motorway, back with a couple of stops for weekly shopping etc. Drove as normal and got 4.9l pet 100km

Think I'm sold

Guess_Who

Guess_Who wrote: »

Just did a spin to Wicklow on motorway, back with a couple of stops for weekly shopping etc. Drove as normal and got 4.9l pet 100km

Think I'm sold

And you should do better too in warmer finer weather.

It's hard to believe though that a company such as Toyota haven't moved on since the MK I prius was released way back in 1997...... They should have been the first to release a fully electric car.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

It's hard to believe though that a company such as Toyota haven't moved on since the MK I prius was released way back in 1997...... They should have been the first to release a fully electric car.

mmmmm I dunno

Folks can travel 12500 miles a year in a Yaris, Auris, Prius or CHR for €1600 in petrol costs (at €1.40/litre and 50 mpg).

For so many people that's very cheap motoring.

The Toyota hybrid makes huge sense currently and for many years to come until you have 300/400km range EVs for similar cost, IMO.

I dunno either, I just did 430 Kms in 2 days in a BMW I3 Rex. Rex gives you peace of mind having the backup generator and charging from 26-85% in 25 mins isn't too shabby. I really only used the Rex for to try it out. Didn't need it really.

A 30 Kwh Nissan Leaf , 28 Kwh Ioniq should also suit someone driving 12,500 Kms a year. I was driving 30,000 Kms in the 24 Kwh Leaf a year. Granted I changed to have more EV range and the Rex and also in case a charger is in use or broken but still, if I were driving only 12,500 miles EV would make a lot of sense, you'd be charging at home much more the less you drive. I also had work charging.

The thing is that we shouldn't have been driving diesels in passenger cars or they shouldn't have been in many vans either and we all should have been driving Hybrids 15 years ago and now be driving EV.

Anyway, better a hybrid on the road than a diesel.

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

It's hard to believe though that a company such as Toyota haven't moved on since the MK I prius was released way back in 1997...... They should have been the first to release a fully electric car.

A company just bet on different technology. They did a first hybrid production car in the end, didn't they!?

They sure did and fair play to them, but they haven't moved on from Hybrids though this is the problem, they spent Huge sums of money gambling on Hydrogen fuel cells and neglected investment on electric cars, quiet a costly mistake.

pm1977x

I have an Auris hybrid a couple of months now, switched from a manual petrol car, can't imagine ever going back to manual and find it a much more relaxing drive overall, more inclined to let people out, less inclined to get the rage when coming across idiots. Certainly find the 1.8 more than a match for overtaking whenever needed, yes it's noisy when floored but not horrendously so.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno either, I just did 430 Kms in 2 days in a BMW I3 Rex. Rex gives you peace of mind having the backup generator and charging from 26-85% in 25 mins isn't too shabby. I really only used the Rex for to try it out. Didn't need it really.

A 30 Kwh Nissan Leaf , 28 Kwh Ioniq should also suit someone driving 12,500 Kms a year. I was driving 30,000 Kms in the 24 Kwh Leaf a year. Granted I changed to have more EV range and the Rex and also in case a charger is in use or broken but still, if I were driving only 12,500 miles EV would make a lot of sense, you'd be charging at home much more the less you drive. I also had work charging.

The thing is that we shouldn't have been driving diesels in passenger cars or they shouldn't have been in many vans either and we all should have been driving Hybrids 15 years ago and now be driving EV.

Anyway, better a hybrid on the road than a diesel.

Why should we all be driving EVs?

Since you've gotten the i3 you've posted multiple times how you did a trip in it that you wouldn't have dreamed of undertaking in the leaf. You're seriously blinkered towards EV which is fair enough .... personally I've better things to do with my money than spend it on iPhone s on wheels.

Many folk are a one-car household so a leaf etc is SFA use to people a few times a year... a non runner.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Why should we all be driving EVs?

Why shouldn't we ? or at least electrics with large batteries such as the 33 Kwh I3 and a generator as backup, this is the route Nissan should have taken back in 2011 and I bet they would have sold much more Leafs.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Why should we all be driving EVs?

Since you've gotten the i3 you've posted multiple times how you did a trip in it that you wouldn't have dreamed of undertaking in the leaf. You're seriously blinkered towards EV which is fair enough .... personally I've better things to do with my money than spend it on iPhone s on wheels.

Many folk are a one-car household so a leaf etc is SFA use to people a few times a year... a non runner.

Oh sorry didn't see your edited post.

There are more options these days since I got the 24 Kwh Leaf such as the 40 Kwh Zoe and 28 Kwh efficient Ioniq which charges quiet quickly.

An Auris hybrid will cost as much if not more than an Ioniq with probably higher spec ?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Why shouldn't we ? or at least electrics with large batteries such as the 33 Kwh I3 and a generator as backup,.....

Sweet Jesus.

The i3 is now what we all should be in.

We had to listen to the hybrid stuff for years.... than the leaf.... now the i3 is the way.

Europe went diesel mad.... we won't be going ev mad until we have to. Decades away

Patser

Augeo wrote: »

Sweet Jesus.

The i3 is now what we all should be in.

We had to listen to the hybrid stuff for years.... than the leaf.... now the i3 is the way.

Only 2 more years til its Tesla 3s

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Sweet Jesus.

The i3 is now what we all should be in.

We had to listen to the hybrid stuff for years.... than the leaf.... now the i3 is the way.

Lol, seriously what's your problem ?

Augeo wrote: »

now the i3 is the way.

electrics with large batteries such as the 33 Kwh I3 and a generator as backup

What part of that in blue above suggested we should all be driving i3s ?

[snip]

Mod Note: Let's not insult people

Patser

Patser wrote: »

Only 2 more years til its Tesla 3s

Yup.... the i3 will declared as an ugly dog of a thing than probably.... but only then :pac:

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol, seriously what's your problem ?



electrics with large batteries such as the 33 Kwh I3 and a generator as backup

What part of that in blue above suggested we should all be driving i3s ?

[snip]

You're in a Toyota hybrid topic speeling on about i3s....

Patser

Augeo wrote: »

Yup.... the i3 will declared as an ugly dog of a thing than probably.... but only then :pac:

But for now it's probably the best electric car on the market with most flexibility - especially the Rex. If only it wasn't so pricey.

Don't be so condescending lads ye know I was not suggesting everyone be driving i3's but rather that manufacturers should be offering a similar product with large battery and generator for backup and I stated Nissan should have gone this route originally.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't be so condescending lads ye know I was not suggesting everyone be driving i3's but rather that manufacturers should be offering a similar product with large battery and generator for backup and I stated Nissan should have gone this route originally.

I don't think a Toyota auris hybrid chat is the place for you to speel on about the merits of i3 type technology TBH.

Your repeated speel is actually condescending IMO

Oh alright then "IMO" it's best if depart from the thread.