Liquidator in at Dingle Brewing (Creans)

L1011 · 12-11-2017 11:35PM #1

Paywalled article - I get the paper printed still but there's not a huge amount of content.

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/liquidator-appointed-creans-lager-brewer-402631

1.6m in debts, mainly to Revenue. Suspect we may have gone past the peak in volume of brewers and some contraction and consolidiation is needed.

BeerNut · 12-11-2017 11:40PM

I doubt it's that simple. Breweries close because the people running them are bad at business and no other reason. Crean's was an odd one-beer model that didn't work out for them. Jack Doyle's and Evans have both closed as well - small operations that didn't put the resources into getting the product to customers. There's still loads of room on the market for breweries that know what they're doing, I reckon.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 13-11-2017 03:54PM

Yeah, Ireland is nowhere near saturation point.

That said, new breweries popping up who aren't "in it for the love" get some amount of stick for that

the beer revolu · 13-11-2017 04:29PM

I can't say I'm surprised.

They came into the 'craft' market with a product aimed squarely at the mainstream. Very questionable provenance didn't help their cause either. They made no attempt to broaden their product range.

I really don't think this is a sign of saturation, either.

Poor idea, badly implemented, I'd say.

I wonder how revenue let them get in arrears.

Losty Dublin · 14-11-2017 12:57AM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I wonder how revenue let them get in arrears.

Perhaps they had a tun of patience with them

Ciarrai76 · 14-11-2017 01:12AM

The bottles disappeared off the market for ages and when we queried it with them they said they had bottling issues and were also concentrating more on kegs for pubs etc. It finally came back in stock a few months ago, but the price went up a lot!

Quackster · 14-11-2017 08:00PM

They tried to go after the then untapped market for a 'premium' Irish lager but Diageo has in the meantime really sewn that market up with HH13.

The underhand brewing in Glasgow and Clonmel really did for their credibility. Hopefully someone takes on their brewery in Dingle and brews some real craft beer.

L1011 · 08-12-2017 10:02PM

Another liquidation - never actually heard of these before though

https://fora.ie/achill-island-brewery-3740673-Dec2017/

I didn't mean saturation by peak in my original post - I think its now the time that smaller, badly run breweries or places with terrible product will run out of steam with people buying stuff locally because its new and also use up their lines of credit. I wouldn't be surprised at all with a net reduction over a few years.

BeerNut · 08-12-2017 10:38PM

L1011 wrote: »

Another liquidation - never actually heard of these before though

Mediocre to poor. You didn't miss much.

RasTa · 09-12-2017 12:00PM

I was at their launch night after a half marathon down there. Meh.

Losty Dublin · 12-12-2017 12:47AM

L1011 wrote: »

Another liquidation - never actually heard of these before though

https://fora.ie/achill-island-brewery-3740673-Dec2017/

I didn't mean saturation by peak in my original post - I think its now the time that smaller, badly run breweries or places with terrible product will run out of steam with people buying stuff locally because its new and also use up their lines of credit. I wouldn't be surprised at all with a net reduction over a few years.

With several decent brewers already in the general area, Achill had it's work cut out; it's meh beer didn't help their hopes.

Losty Dublin · 15-07-2018 10:01AM

Sorry to drag this thread up but a friend of mine saw this on tap in a Kerry pub. The barman was asked about it by my friend but was quite defensive about the beer for whatever reason. It doesn't appear to be the same people at first glance....

https://www.creanfamilycraftale.com

colm_mcm · 15-07-2018 10:09AM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Sorry to drag this thread up but a friend of mine saw this on tap in a Kerry pub. The barman was asked about it by my friend but was quite defensive about the beer for whatever reason. It doesn't appear to be the same people at first glance....

https://www.creanfamilycraftale.com

Made by Torc brewery in Killarney.

BeerNut · 15-07-2018 10:57AM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

It doesn't appear to be the same people at first glance....

It's not/wasn't (Torc isn't trading at the moment AFAIK). Apparently the Crean family weren't happy about Tom Crean's Lager using the name.

The liquidated Tom Crean's is still in existence, run by the same people, but no longer has a brewery. I suspect it's brewed at C&C in Clonmel but don't have any information either way.

Losty Dublin · 15-07-2018 02:59PM

BeerNut wrote: »

It's not/wasn't (Torc isn't trading at the moment AFAIK). Apparently the Crean family weren't happy about Tom Crean's Lager using the name.

The liquidated Tom Crean's is still in existence, run by the same people, but no longer has a brewery. I suspect it's brewed at C&C in Clonmel but don't have any information either way.

As ever, some excellent clarification from your good self.

L1011 · 15-07-2018 08:41PM

Independent in Connemara also going in to liquidation.

https://fora.ie/independent-brewing-company-liquidation-4113137-Jul2018/?utm_source=twitter

Had their stuff a few times and think it was decent but hadnt seen it on sale recently.

Ciarrai76 · 15-07-2018 11:10PM

BeerNut wrote: »

It's not/wasn't (Torc isn't trading at the moment AFAIK). Apparently the Crean family weren't happy about Tom Crean's Lager using the name.

The liquidated Tom Crean's is still in existence, run by the same people, but no longer has a brewery. I suspect it's brewed at C&C in Clonmel but don't have any information either way.

As far as I’m aware, Altech now own the Tom Creans lager brand.

Didn’t realise Torc aren’t trading, are they gone completely?

BeerNut · 16-07-2018 09:44AM

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

As far as I’m aware, Altech now own the Tom Creans lager brand.

This story seems to have gone round very quickly and as far as I know is completely without substance. Jerry O'Sullivan is still company Director (though it's a new company). Alltech's head brewer told me they're not brewing Tom Crean's and have no involvement with the brand. Can you post any information you have that suggests Alltech does own Crean's now?

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

Didn’t realise Torc aren’t trading, are they gone completely?

Depends on your definition of "completely". They are currently following a lead on a possible partnership (not with a macro or any of them bad lads) which will hopefully have them up and running again.

Ciarrai76 · 16-07-2018 10:09AM

BeerNut wrote: »

This story seems to have gone round very quickly and as far as I know is completely without substance. Jerry O'Sullivan is still company Director (though it's a new company). Alltech's head brewer told me they're not brewing Tom Crean's and have no involvement with the brand. Can you post any information you have that suggests Alltech does own Crean's now?

Obviously just a rumour going around!

Liquidator in at Dingle Brewing (Creans)

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