First Time Buyer

JoeOC99

Hi all,

My partner and I are currently in the process of applying for a mortgage and we are hoping to purchase in 2018.

We are very keen on Greystones and we visited today to take a look around the Waverly, Seagreen, Glenheron and Thorndale (Delgany) developments. We are looking for a 3 bed semi d in the region of 400k.

I am hoping some of you familiar with the property market in the area may be able to assist with a few questions...

- Are there any other new build options other than those I mentioned? I am aware of marina village but had been told it was all 450k and upwards.
- Glenheron are said to start at 395k but I assume this is for the terraced options.. do you know what the 3 bed semi d's have been going for?
- I read on here that Waverly start at 415 (Sherry fitz had told me they start at 380?).. is this correct? And I also read in the same thread that there was crazy queues for days for the last phase with no info from SF as to when they would be released... is this the case? Worrying given that I am not living in the area and wouldn't be able to do nights of queueing...
- Finally I was also told that the next phases of Seagreen will be 4/5 beds only, is this correct?

Any answers to these queries would be really appreciated, as well as general advice at all to prepare myself for the madness and the best chance of securing what we are looking for!

loyatemu

there's another estate going in beside/behind Glenheron - same developer but more houses. Probably won't be starting until next year though. There's also permission granted for a big estate behind St. Laurences School, but I don't know when that's likely to to be available.

There are a few 3-beds available on MyHome for < 450K in Charlesland and Redford Park.

JoeOC99

Thanks for this. Will keep an eye out for those new estates.

We are applying for the Help to Buy so will have to be new builds.

loyatemu wrote: »

there's another estate going in beside/behind Glenheron - same developer but more houses. Probably won't be starting until next year though. There's also permission granted for a big estate behind St. Laurences School, but I don't know when that's likely to to be available.

There are a few 3-beds available on MyHome for < 450K in Charlesland and Redford Park.

Don't Chute!

We've bought one of the 3 bed semis in Glenheron at 400k but expect them to go up quite a bit for phase two. Cairns also have another site in Blacklion but not sure when they are starting on it.

loyatemu

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Cairns also have another site in Blacklion but not sure when they are starting on it.

do they? they have a big sign up in a field opposite Redford Cemetery but I don't think they've applied for planning yet (if indeed they actually own that field).

JoeOC99

No 3 beds in the next phase in Glenheron or Seagreen. So we are getting ready for Waverly!

Don't Chute!

loyatemu wrote: »

do they? they have a big sign up in a field opposite Redford Cemetery but I don't think they've applied for planning yet (if indeed they actually own that field).

That's just what I heard, maybe I'm wrong.

Zoo4m8

Don't Chute! wrote: »

That's just what I heard, maybe I'm wrong.

You’re not wrong..

loyatemu

Zoo4m8 wrote: »

You’re not wrong..

Fair enough, but if they haven't applied for planning it'll be some time before any houses are for sale.

Blingy

There is also a big site behind Bellevue heights and delgany glen that will be built on. They already have planning I think (well they did have years ago) and I think it's wood group homes that own it. No idea when it's due to start.

loyatemu

Blingy wrote: »

There is also a big site behind Bellevue heights and delgany glen that will be built on. They already have planning I think (well they did have years ago) and I think it's wood group homes that own it. No idea when it's due to start.

I checked that one the other day on the council website and apparently it has been appealed.

FirstIn

The problem is the town will be ruined by this excessive building. The infrastructure isn’t up to it. Already we have bad congestion through the town. We have clubs with long waiting lists. Some of the schools are under pressure.

People are being sold a dream lifestyle. An enviable lifestyle I think I saw written on hoarding surrounding one of the building sites. It’s a joke.

Give builders permission to build and they’ll build once they can make money out of it. Do they care you’ll be stuck in traffic through the town at 8.45 in the morning? Care the park and ride is now full at 8am? That you can’t get your children in to the sports club you want ?

Those responsible for granting permission for more houses need to ensure that the town can cope. As far as I am concerned it can’t.

Don't Chute!

FirstIn wrote: »

The problem is the town will be ruined by this excessive building. The infrastructure isn’t up to it. Already we have bad congestion through the town. We have clubs with long waiting lists. Some of the schools are under pressure.

People are being sold a dream lifestyle. An enviable lifestyle I think I saw written on hoarding surrounding one of the building sites. It’s a joke.

Give builders permission to build and they’ll build once they can make money out of it. Do they care you’ll be stuck in traffic through the town at 8.45 in the morning? Care the park and ride is now full at 8am? That you can’t get your children in to the sports club you want ?

Those responsible for granting permission for more houses need to ensure that the town can cope. As far as I am concerned it can’t.

You REALLY don't want anyone else to live in Greystones do you? How much of that traffic is caused by people who don't need to be in their cars in the first place.

2011

Don't Chute! wrote: »

You REALLY don't want anyone else to live in Greystones do you? How much of that traffic is caused by people who don't need to be in their cars in the first place.

It is this type of mentality that got us into the mess we are now in. Bad planning has a lasting impact. Local infrastructure can only take so much.

sarah1900

Hello,

We have bought in Glenheron, we were also looking at waverly and seagreen but decided on Glenheron. The queue system for waverly was mad, people camping in their cars etc! The build quality of glenheron is incredible and cairn have been top class to deal with. As per another post, the next release of glenheron are 4 beds, meant to be 500k plus. They will be building another 192 houses over the next 18 months on the site next to the current glenheron development. Seagreen and Waverly also have lots more to release. I have heard a few people having trouble with snags in seagreen at present, the waverly feedback has been positive. Although I believe traffic is an issue. Hope it all goes well for you

alexnapier101

Just took a stroll past Glenheron today, and noticed people have moved in.

We got to have a good look at the estate and it is really taking good shape now, it appears spacious and well laid out with a mix of different units.

I am sure anybody who has bought is going to be delighted.

swingking

Is there a right of way through Glenheron from Charlesland to the Kilcoole Road to access the 84 bus stop, can anyone tell me?

Don't Chute!

swingking wrote: »

Is there a right of way through Glenheron from Charlesland to the Kilcoole Road to access the 84 bus stop, can anyone tell me?

Not sure if you can get through at the moment but I know there will be when it's finished.

2011

alexnapier101 wrote: »

We got to have a good look at the estate and it is really taking good shape now, it appears spacious and well laid out with a mix of different units.

I am sure anybody who has bought is going to be delighted.

Yes, they look very well.
Build quality and design is excellent, especially when compared to so many Celtic Tiger built houses.

neckedit

2011 wrote: »

Yes, they look very well.
Build quality and design is excellent, especially when compared to so many Celtic Tiger built houses.

I had a look at them I thought they were quiet small for the price.

2011

neckedit wrote: »

I had a look at them I thought they were quiet small for the price.

I agree, but I could say the same for many of the homes within 1km of that area. The difference is these are far better built than most of the others.

neckedit

2011 wrote: »

I agree, but I could say the same for many of the homes within 1km of that area. The difference is these are far better built than most of the others.

I will bow to you on this one, I've looked around alot of them lately and I'm not sure I noticed a difference between any off them in terms of quality of build. But I am new to the house market.

The Bishop Basher

2011 wrote: »

I agree, but I could say the same for many of the homes within 1km of that area. The difference is these are far better built than most of the others.

What are the differences ?

2011

Swanner wrote: »

What are the differences ?

The standard of insulation, how it is installed and the type of insulation would be a big one. Quality of windows and doors would be another. Plumbing and wiring would be another. General finish is also better compared to most due to more contentious trades people I would think.

Owlet

I hope you dont mind me joining this thread. My husband and I are in a similar position, just starting to look at moving to greystones, trading up and ideally looking for a 4 bed semi, though I see prices are creeping up all over the place.

I was just wondering if anyone local could give realistic times for walking from the various new estates to the train station. When we drove around the other day I was surprised just how far out of town the developments were (we hadn't appreciated the scale of the town). I couldn't see myself walking to the dart for 30 mins, then taking a 50 minute journey to the city... but maybe there are short cuts I'm not aware of? Or do most people drive to the city/dart station?

Blingy

A lot of people drive and use the free park and ride parking (which usually fills up around 8am) or cycle. Or use the bus 84x depending on where you are living. Also a lot of people drive to work hence the crazy traffic leaving Greystones and coming back in the evening. Or drive to a luas.

loyatemu

The new developments are all a bit of a hike from the village and the Dart - get a bike would be my advice, though this may not suit everyone.

Glenheron is probably handier in this respect than the estates up on the hill - you could cycle through Charlesland and there are cycle lanes from there to the village. From Waverly it's downhill all the way in the morning, but a serious climb in the evening, and there are no cycle lanes and the traffic is worse at the northern end of the town. Probably handier for the primary schools though, at least until the new one is built in Charlesland.

Annasopra

With glenheron you could possibly get the 84 bus (1 every hour) to dart station

FirstIn

Owlet wrote: »

I hope you dont mind me joining this thread. My husband and I are in a similar position, just starting to look at moving to greystones, trading up and ideally looking for a 4 bed semi, though I see prices are creeping up all over the place.

I was just wondering if anyone local could give realistic times for walking from the various new estates to the train station. When we drove around the other day I was surprised just how far out of town the developments were (we hadn't appreciated the scale of the town). I couldn't see myself walking to the dart for 30 mins, then taking a 50 minute journey to the city... but maybe there are short cuts I'm not aware of? Or do most people drive to the city/dart station?

You’re right. And some are perilously close to Kilcoole!
Greystones is saturated. Over developed. Ruined. Bad planning. Traffic jams , oversubscribed clubs, waiting lists, difficulty getting in to preferred schools. Unfortunately it’s only going to get worse.

It’s a pity. A shame. I can reminisce when this wasn’t the case. We had a hotel, in fact we had 2, a great night club, no traffic jams, a park and ride you could actually park in, people knew each other , no Dublin flags flying from houses and a beautiful harbour you could leave you’re boat in without paying a fortune.

The only thing I can think of that is an improvement is shoreline and the swimming pool.

sightband

Owlet wrote: »

I hope you dont mind me joining this thread. My husband and I are in a similar position, just starting to look at moving to greystones, trading up and ideally looking for a 4 bed semi, though I see prices are creeping up all over the place.

I was just wondering if anyone local could give realistic times for walking from the various new estates to the train station. When we drove around the other day I was surprised just how far out of town the developments were (we hadn't appreciated the scale of the town). I couldn't see myself walking to the dart for 30 mins, then taking a 50 minute journey to the city... but maybe there are short cuts I'm not aware of? Or do most people drive to the city/dart station?

spent 4 years commuting from greystones to monkstown for work, on a weekend this would take about 15-20 minutes by car. weekdays this was about 45 minutes to over an hour, if lucky. Very often there would be a fender bender somewhere along the route from glen of the downs to kilmac and you would be down to one lane and seriously delayed. The dart cannot be relied upon, there is also often delays and incidents with the tracks, lines etc. delays again and stuck on a bus. Never any hope of seating so standing all the way and as mentioned park and ride is full very early...all in all, it’s a complete nightmare and we moved back to Dublin a few years back for this very reason. You’ll see al the brochures for greystones try and sell this dream of a commute to the city, it’s not far in distance and this much is true but for a morning and evening commute it can take 3 hours of your day easily and this can happen often.

so happy to see the back of the place.

adam14

Agree with the last few posts. The town is destroyed with bad planning and it will only get worse when farrankelly, coolagad and rest of charlesland are built on. Thousands more houses in the pipeline. Commute time to IFSC is 3 hours door to door on a good day.