Christmas party refusing part timers

patrick 3759

Ok so my question is can a place of work refuse part timers attendance to a staff christmas party?

I'm allowed to attend i was wondering about the moral/legal implications if any?

Stheno

Perfectly fine for the employer to do this

splinter65

patrick 3759 wrote: »

Ok so my question is can a place of work refuse part timers attendance to a staff christmas party?

I'm allowed to attend i was wondering about the moral/legal implications if any?

There’s no obligation to attend and no entitlement to be invited.
Could only have legal implications if the invitations were contrary to the Equal Status Act.
If the party is only for full time employees then this doesn’t contravene the Act.
If it were only for female employees or Irish employees, it would.

AndrewJRenko

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s no obligation to attend and no entitlement to be invited.
Could only have legal implications if the invitations were contrary to the Equal Status Act.
If the party is only for full time employees then this doesn’t contravene the Act.
If it were only for female employees or Irish employees, it would.

You're generally correct, but there is one possible scenario to be careful about here.

If the exclusion of part-time staff happened to impact all/most female staff and few/none male staff, then it could be seen as indirect discrimination, contrary to Equal Status Acts.

Westernyelp

Its a shi*ty thing to do. But not illegal. Organise a part timers party, it will probably be better craic

Sleeper12

AndrewJRenko wrote:

If the exclusion of part-time staff happened to impact all/most female staff and few/none male staff, then it could be seen as indirect discrimination, contrary to Equal Status Acts.

I'm all for equality but I hope if it happened to impact all /most male staff & few /none female staff then it would still be discrimination.

splinter65

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm all for equality but I hope if it happened to impact all /most male staff & few /none female staff then it would still be discrimination.

Men don’t matter . Obviously the party would be much better if there were no men there.
You seriously need to get with the program.
1. People of color can not be racist.
2. Only women are victims of discrimination.
Basically all you need to know.

amtc

Became an issue for us when people moved from salary to contractors.

Donal55

Lousy employers imo.

AndrewJRenko

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm all for equality but I hope if it happened to impact all /most male staff & few /none female staff then it would still be discrimination.

Yep, for sure.

Stheno

amtc wrote: »

Became an issue for us when people moved from salary to contractors.

One company I'm a contractor for doesn't invite contractors

Diziet

Part time employees of the organisation should be treated the same as full time employees (EU equal status directive). If you mean contractors, then they are not employees so the company is within its rights not to invite.

lawred2

patrick 3759 wrote: »

Ok so my question is can a place of work refuse part timers attendance to a staff christmas party?

I'm allowed to attend i was wondering about the moral/legal implications if any?

Perfectly fine.

But massively miserable.

lawred2

Stheno wrote: »

One company I'm a contractor for doesn't invite contractors

yeah but you're not an employee

but again massively miserable

tom_k

Stheno wrote: »

One company I'm a contractor for doesn't invite contractors

An oldie but a goodie

Diziet

splinter65 wrote: »

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm all for equality but I hope if it happened to impact all /most male staff & few /none female staff then it would still be discrimination.

Men don’t matter . Obviously the party would be much better if there were no men there.
You seriously need to get with the program.
1. People of color can not be racist.
2. Only women are victims of discrimination.
Basically all you need to know.

That's rubbish, actually. The law applies to everyone. What you are picking on is the groups that are most often discriminated against.

splinter65

Diziet wrote: »

That's rubbish, actually. The law applies to everyone. What you are picking on is the groups that are most often discriminated against.

Your sarcasm radar needs a tune up I think.

Diziet

I don't think it does. Sarcastic or not, it comes across as rather unpleasant.

splinter65

Diziet wrote: »

I don't think it does. Sarcastic or not, it comes across as rather unpleasant.

What do you find unpleasant about my post, giving notice to the context in which it was posted?

Pinch Flat

Would have thought it's perfectly legal, if a little sh!tty. I worked in a multi-national company back in the mid-1990's, first real job out of college. As a contractor (I mean someone on short term contracts, not coining it on an hourly rate), I was excluded fro mall company organised staff events. Bit crap at the time, but hey. That's corporate for ya.

Could be worse anyway. I worked for a company that had their Christmas do in January. And you had to pay for it.

ShooterSF

I'm pretty sure by law part time staff are entitled to everything in proportion so if you do 3 days a week you still get 3/5 of a bank holiday etc. So maybe a if they're going to be that tight they can dish out a percentage of the dinner to part timers based on average hours over the past 13 weeks. To be honest not being invited makes it easier to refuse we always just organise a staff party for staff by staff always way more fun.

titan18

Ya, mine does the same with contractors. Treat them completely different, not allowed come to work parties organised by the company, different coloured swipe cards to mark them out, and not allowed park in the car park

ballyargus

Personally, I'd love to be excluded from all staff events but hey, each to their own

amtc

Well the Company I worked for who didn't invite contractors changed their mind when said contractors offered to pay the drinks bill. To this day I remember that party. One of the contractors left his wife waiting for him in the airport. Another fell asleep on a park bench in Merrion and was picked up for bring homeless. At the after party the dog got drunk on jagermaister. It was a public service body and let's put it this way we were asked never to return.

The same organisation had a policy where every year on your birthday you had go for dinner with the head.

When the head changed strangely enough these were dropped!

wally1990

Stheno wrote: »

One company I'm a contractor for doesn't invite contractors

I can understand that tho
They are self employed and act as consultants providing services to an end client maybe via a limited company and are not employees of the end client

Now it be nice to be invited as a contractor but the part timer thing is just weird

wally1990

amtc wrote: »

Well the Company I worked for who didn't invite contractors changed their mind when said contractors offered to pay the drinks bill. To this day I remember that party. One of the contractors left his wife waiting for him in the airport. Another fell asleep on a park bench in Merrion and was picked up for bring homeless. At the after party the dog got drunk on jagermaister. It was a public service body and let's put it this way we were asked never to return.

The same organisation had a policy where every year on your birthday you had go for dinner with the head.

When the head changed strangely enough these were dropped!

Hahaha claiming the expenses that's way, gas !

Oh how people (end client /employer) will change to suit themselves

End client : We ain't paying for you so your not invited because you a contractor and not an employee
Contractor : I'll buy your drink
End client : ah Jesus why didn't ya say so ?! 7pm it is !

uck51js9zml2yt

I've only gone to a Christmas party once in 25 years of working.
I went, had the meal, won a prize and went home to leave the rest of them under the table where they had been since early afternoon , bottle of vodka in hand( them, not me...I had a Kenwood processor)

byhookorbycrook

I'm presuming the company pay for it?In our place, anyone on the staff is welcome, but we pay for everything ourselves, so those on very few hours may choose to save their money.

EndaHonesty

What're the odds OP is a part-timer?...

B.A._Baracus

EndaHonesty wrote: »

What're the odds OP is a part-timer?...

about 99.9% :pac:
I would hazard a guess and say they also work in retail.

splinter65

ballyargus wrote: »

Personally, I'd love to be excluded from all staff events but hey, each to their own

Add to that all family events and I’m with you....

LynnGrace

amtc wrote: »

Well the Company I worked for who didn't invite contractors changed their mind when said contractors offered to pay the drinks bill. To this day I remember that party. One of the contractors left his wife waiting for him in the airport. Another fell asleep on a park bench in Merrion and was picked up for bring homeless. At the after party the dog got drunk on jagermaister.It was a public service body and let's put it this way we were asked never to return.

The same organisation had a policy where every year on your birthday you had go for dinner with the head.

When the head changed strangely enough these were dropped!

Really? Would love to hear more of that story.

OP, anywhere I have worked, all were welcome, part timers, contractors etc. We paid for ourselves so I suppose the company didn't have much say in who attended.

amtc

Yeah the poor dog; someone force fed him alcohol and his poor little legs went from under him on wooden floors. I still feel guilty. We for some reason went back to someone's house. Broke the TV. One guy had to get a flight the next morning but hadn't a clue where he was. Another was also supposed to get a flight but someone had hidden his credit card. Another had to go back to the same restaurant next day to meet his new girlfriend's parents for the first time and was refused entry. I had to go to my mother's 60th dinner and was green.

The next Monday was noticeably very quiet in work. However nothing could be said as the hr director had got unbelievably drunk and passed out on the toilet floor.

However we were very restrained the next year. And to this day despite us all having left and working other places still very good friends.

Just on the original question I've just switched from salary to contractor (same company). I can go to party but have to pay...rest don't. Hr said it was to cover insurance.

Victor

Part-timers - excluding them may constitute bullying.

Contractors - the thing is, providing a party for staff is tax free, doing it for contractors brings issues.

LynnGrace

amtc wrote: »

Yeah the poor dog; someone force fed him alcohol and his poor little legs went from under him on wooden floors. I still feel guilty. We for some reason went back to someone's house. Broke the TV.

Just on the original question I've just switched from salary to contractor (same company). I can go to party but have to pay...rest don't. Hr said it was to cover insurance.

Oh right, I get it now. The dog was in someone's house. Poor dog