Crashes outside the Rochestown park hotel

Gru

Why can't people drive this south link road westbound after the Bloomfield interchange right outside the Rochestown Park Hotel. There are always crashes here and I hate driving this stretch of road. Every time I'm driving here cars will without fail brake for no reason at all causing everyone else to have to slow down and probably cause all the crashes.

Why is this? Does the sight of Douglas down below scare people? If so please get off the road Thanks.

Or is this just a convenient spot for insurance fraud?

If anyone can explain this I'd love to hear it.

kenny111

people come up from the interchange racing to be first to join. i got hit there a couple of years ago, i saw the cars about to join so i moved over into the overtaking lane to give room to merge and the fourth car just came right over into me. the driver claimed that as her indicator was on she had right of way

Outkast_IRE

to be honest its going to take multiple fatalaties on this road before Gardai are given the resources to adaquately monitor driving on the road.

I feel similar about the dunkettle approach from the east in the mornings - drivers using the driving lane to cut in late to the dunkettle or worse again queue in the driving lane of a 120km/hr road. It is only a matter of time before we see a period of multiple deaths.

mcko

Couple of Gardai on motor bikes to haunt the place and people might cop on,pardon the pun.

mik_da_man

Very simple, the hard shoulder reduces, you've got barriers on both sides making it appear narrowed so people slow down causing the bottleneck.

If people learned to drive properly and leave adequate space it wouldn't be an issue.

TheQuietBeatle

Dunkettle is a different story imo, that general area is not fit for purpose for the extreme amount if traffic during rush hour.

the beer revolu

mik_da_man wrote: »

Very simple, the hard shoulder reduces, you've got barriers on both sides making it appear narrowed so people slow down causing the bottleneck.

If people learned to drive properly and leave adequate space it wouldn't be an issue.

That and also the incline causes people to slow down.

roundymac

kenny111 wrote: »

people come up from the interchange racing to be first to join. i got hit there a couple of years ago, i saw the cars about to join so i moved over into the overtaking lane to give room to merge and the fourth car just came right over into me. the driver claimed that as her indicator was on she had right of way

Some drivers think that once they indicate they have a right to of way. You are not alone kenny111.

boardsuser1

kenny111 wrote: »

people come up from the interchange racing to be first to join. i got hit there a couple of years ago, i saw the cars about to join so i moved over into the overtaking lane to give room to merge and the fourth car just came right over into me. the driver claimed that as her indicator was on she had right of way

roundymac wrote: »

Some drivers think that once they indicate they have a right to of way. You are not alone kenny111.

I would suggest that lady needs driver education.

An indicator is merely a signal of intention and not a right of way.

Even at that when they are used, they aren't used correctly alot of the time.

See this happening regularly.

Was coming out of the tunnel in rush hour last Friday week heading towards Ballincollig and this was naturally part of my route, once i hit this particular stretch the amount of people trying to force their way out in front of me was sickening, people coming from the bloomfield interchange slip road trying to squeeze up the inside of me as well.

the beer revolu

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I would suggest that lady needs driver education.

An indicator is merely a signal of intention and not a right of way.

Even at that when they are used, they aren't used correctly alot of the time.

See this happening regularly.

Was coming out of the tunnel in rush hour last Friday week heading towards Ballincollig and this was naturally part of my route, once i hit this particular stretch the amount of people trying to force their way out in front of me was sickening, people coming from the bloomfield interchange slip road trying to squeeze up the inside of me as well.

People should be allowed to merge.
Also people should drive to the end of the merging lane and then merge but people see this as queue jumping and get cross.

boardsuser1

the beer revolu wrote: »

People should be allowed to merge.
Also people should drive to the end of the merging lane and then merge but people see this as queue jumping and get cross.

I have no problem with people merging and allow people to do so willingly.

Forcing people back or pushing them out is not something i'm into.

I'm one of the nicer truckers out there.

What i'm referring to more than anything else is when the merging lane has virtually closed and you still have people trying to get in in front of you and then shoot across to the overtaking lane as it is usually slightly quicker there in rush hour.

I came across a 4 car pile up one time that appeared to be the direct cause of rubber necking following on from a crash directly across from it going in the opposite direction.

flintash

Gosh, you guys make the science out of driving!

boardsuser1

flintash wrote: »

Gosh, you guys make the science out of driving!

It's my bread and butter

the beer revolu

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I'm one of the nicer truckers out there.

I find the standard of driving from truckers to be generally good. Always the occasional dick just like in any group but professional drivers are generally better, IMO.

The other day I saw a car leave the driving lane, cut across several meters of hatching to go into a merging lane so he/shr could skip skip ahead about 6 cars then reenter the driving lane! FFS

Same morning, I say a car stopped at a junction, lights went red and then he took off from a stationary position through the red light and a pedestrian crossing. (end of Washington Street)

boardsuser1

the beer revolu wrote: »

I find the standard of driving from truckers to be generally good. Always the occasional dick just like in any group but professional drivers are generally better, IMO.

The other day I saw a car leave the driving lane, cut across several meters of hatching to go into a merging lane so he/shr could skip skip ahead about 6 cars then reenter the driving lane! FFS

I agree, there's always 1 giving others a bad name.

The problem you mention is something i see all too often, coming down the Dublin road towards Dunkettle is another hotspot, people driving down the hard shoulder,ending up in the left hand lane and then shooting across to get back in lane for the tunnel, some even leave it as late as the hatch marking for the little island exit to chop across.

As for the topic at hand, i don't think a day goes by without at least 1 crash in that spot or nearby.

ofcork

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

to be honest its going to take multiple fatalaties on this road before Gardai are given the resources to adaquately monitor driving on the road.

I feel similar about the dunkettle approach from the east in the mornings - drivers using the driving lane to cut in late to the dunkettle or worse again queue in the driving lane of a 120km/hr road. It is only a matter of time before we see a period of multiple deaths.

Saw a video of this on fb this morning queuing in the driving lane for the tunnel madness!

Gru

I reckon they the mesh barrier needs to be replaced with the solid type used on the other side of the flyover there. The same slowing down doesnt seem as prevalent when heading east past the Douglas east and west exits.

It would be great to see a garda presence around there for a while, although that might slow people more.

I definitely agree that there are a lot of people bullying their way around queues and skipping lanes. There is a really poor quality of driving around Cork these days.

Im also surprised dunkettle doesn't yield more incidents. That crap happens daily morning and evening.

.red.

Some clown in an 11c Micra nearly hit me here last night. Driving along at 100 with a car slowly overtaking me and another behind me, this fella came along in the merging lane ahead of me, braked and tried to pull out as I passed. I couldn't go anywhere. Slammed on the brakes and beeped. He then hit the brakes again, pulled back in and nearly hit the wall/crash barrier.
Fcuking idiot!

Outkast_IRE

ofcork wrote: »

Saw a video of this on fb this morning queuing in the driving lane for the tunnel madness!

Same story again this morning from 07:30 all down to a lack of enforcment by Gardai and too many drivers trying to cut in late rather than join the massive queue. Trucks , Cars Vans area all at it. Every single one should be done for dangerous driving

whisky_galore

If we get a hard frost and black ice, things could get interesting.

MissShihTzu

It's not just at the Bloomfield or the Dunkettle, although that's bad enough.

The Kinsale Rd roundabout is a NIGHTMARE. I have to go there every day for work, and at least twice a week, there are near misses. People think the red light are an excuse to jump them as they don't want to wait. I myself was hit coming through there. Minding my own business in the left hand lane, and a woman driving a Tiguan smashed into me. Her excuse? I though the roads merged. The roundabout is poorly marked, but the bit where I was hit was clearly marked with three lanes!!

The standard of driving there is truly shocking.

whisky_galore

Another pile-up yesterday, not surprising going by the displays of eejitry I see, esp. in the evenings.

Some really aggressive driving and chance-taking out there.

run_Forrest_run

whisky_galore wrote: »

Some really aggressive driving and chance-taking out there.

that's it, unreal arrogance.

boardsuser1

Must be serious.

https://twitter.com/CorkSafetyAlert/status/930839181248561152

j8wk2feszrnpao

It's the usual lack of enforcement. One speed van or garda car would have a field day with traffic approaching the Kinsale road roundabout.

run_Forrest_run

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's the usual lack of enforcement. One speed van or garda car would have a field day with traffic approaching the Kinsale road roundabout.

while it may catch a few I don't believe many of the careless driving is being done by speeding cars. It's the lane hopping and non-courteous driving than I feel is causing many of the incidents.

But I'd love to see a member of the traffic corps patrolling that section of the south ring, even just for 2 hours 7-9am.

j8wk2feszrnpao

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

while it may catch a few I don't believe many of the careless driving is being done by speeding cars. It's the lane hopping and non-courteous driving than I feel is causing many of the incidents.

But I'd love to see a member of the traffic corps patrolling that section of the south ring, even just for 2 hours 7-9am.

It’s still enforcement though.
The approach to the Kinsale Rd Rounabout allows for drivers to move in quite late. They need plastic bollards (as they have on the other side) extending back a significant distance as a preventative measure.

I was driving in San Diego a few years back and it was a similar issue there. The following day they had large bollards dividing the exit lane, so you had to queue up.

run_Forrest_run

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It’s still enforcement though.
The approach to the Kinsale Rd Rounabout allows for drivers to move in quite late. They need plastic bollards (as they have on the other side) extending back a significant distance as a preventative measure.

I was driving in San Diego a few years back and it was a similar issue there. The following day they had large bollards dividing the exit lane, so you had to queue up.

yep, sure lets not forget before they put traffic cones on the filter lane for the Kinsale rd roundabout, cars were dangerously lane hopping at the last minute. Did that stop it? No, they just lane hop further down now.

Problem with traffic bollards is drivers who are not familiar with the area suddenly freak out and feel they are going to miss their exit and decide to pull off some very dangerous manoeuvre.

But I agree with you on enforcement, it can only help matters.

boardsuser1

Outside rochestown park hotel again.

https://twitter.com/brian_keohane79/status/934368211709190145

TheChizler

I wonder would bringing the speed limit here down to 80 or 60 at peak hours help prevent some of these crashes. Bringing it down in advance with warning might be safer than the current situation of suddenly coming across a sea of brake lights and panicked lane changes.

whisky_galore

TheChizler wrote: »

I wonder would bringing the speed limit here down to 80 or 60 at peak hours help prevent some of these crashes. Bringing it down in advance with warning might be safer than the current situation of suddenly coming across a sea of brake lights and panicked lane changes.

No. Not without enforcement.
People can't seem to drive properly or behave themselves on the road without the big stick drawn out.

TheChizler

whisky_galore wrote: »

No. Not without enforcement.
People can't seem to drive properly or behave themselves on the road without the big stick drawn out.

I agree enforcement is needed, but I don't think that really has an effect on specific problem areas, it's only effective at changing the larger scale culture. How would enforcement on this section of road work? Gardaí hanging around pulling people over when they see people change lanes dangerously? Wouldn't that be more dangerous, occupying the hard shoulder and giving rubberneckers something to look at? If not that and fines are received a few days later instead I don't see how that would have an effect on this specific area.

I think there needs to be a physical change to the area, whether that's variable limit signs or road widening or something. Maybe the M28 will sort it out when it eventually happens.

run_Forrest_run

the knock-on affect of that crash yesterday outside the Rochestown Park Hotel was unreal. The drive from Passage to Douglas took 50 minutes, even hours later Douglas village was at a standstill.

Jimmy Bottles

Gru wrote: »

Why can't people drive this south link road westbound after the Bloomfield interchange right outside the Rochestown Park Hotel. There are always crashes here and I hate driving this stretch of road. Every time I'm driving here cars will without fail brake for no reason at all causing everyone else to have to slow down and probably cause all the crashes.

Why is this? Does the sight of Douglas down below scare people? If so please get off the road Thanks.

Or is this just a convenient spot for insurance fraud?

If anyone can explain this I'd love to hear it.

The South Link Road doesn’t go anywhere near Douglas.

mordeith

Jimmy Bottles wrote: »

The South Link Road doesn’t go anywhere near Douglas.

He said 'down below'

bee06

mordeith wrote: »

He said 'down below'

I’d say the point Jimmy was making was that the stretch of road the OP is referring to is the South Ring not the South Link. A lot of people use them interchangeably and it drives some people mad.

mordeith

bee06 wrote: »

I’d say the point Jimmy was making was that the stretch of road the OP is referring to is the South Ring not the South Link. A lot of people use them interchangeably and it drives some people mad.

Fair enough

Pablo Escobar

bee06 wrote: »

mordeith wrote: »

He said 'down below'

I’d say the point Jimmy was making was that the stretch of road the OP is referring to is the South Ring not the South Link. A lot of people use them interchangeably and it drives some people mad.

It also drives me mad. I remember Red FM used to be at it too. I avoided the actual South Link a few times on their advice before realizing what they actually meant.

Gru

Dang it. Usually I make the correct distinction myself as I know tends to cause confusion. So yes the road I was mentioning was the south ring road rather than the south link.

two wheels good

Douglas Flyover-South Ring.

There are panels fitted to the side barriers along the flyover on the town side/east-bound of the flyover. Why weren't they also placed on the village/ west-bound side? Cost savings?

From a safety and noise reduction point there ought to be panels on both sides. The view "down below" is an unnecessary distraction and I expect for some people may be disorientating.

I heard somewhere that Douglas Community Assoc where making efforts to have barriers installed. Not sure how reliable that info is. I'll enquire.

[Edit} Sorry South Ring - drives me nuts too!

GavRedKing

two wheels good wrote: »

Douglas Flyover-South Link.

There are panels fitted to the side barriers along the flyover on the town side/east-bound of the flyover. Why weren't they also placed on the village/ west-bound side? Cost savings?

From a safety and noise reduction point there ought to be panels on both sides. The view "down below" is an unnecessary distraction and I expect for some people may be disorientating.

I heard somewhere that Douglas Community Assoc where making efforts to have barriers installed. Not sure how reliable that info is. I'll enquire.

I reckon they are on the town side because there is a house right next to that part of the flyover.

I dont know if its wholly a safety issue but for my OCD, I would prefer if both sides were closed off.

Roar

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

MissShihTzu

Roar wrote: »

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

Yep - caught up the in backlash of that. Coming in from Glounthane, it was mental. Queue for the tunnel practically back to Little Island. Took me 25 minutes just to get to and cross the Tivoli flyover...

j8wk2feszrnpao

Roar wrote: »

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

Past the Mahon one, right hand lane, two cars.
Usual rubberneckers and idiots unable to drive past and keep moving at a steady pace; traffic backed up beyond the tunnel.

whisky_galore

Must be guaranteed crash a week now, have people turned into complete idiots? And it seems to be evenings rather than mornings.

minidazzler

IMO a major part of the Bloomfield problem is that there is two lanes (from 'Carrigaline Road' ) which have to merge with each other and also merge with the main flow of traffic on the South Ring.
Most people tend to drive in the right hand lane but you then get fellas undercutting them in the left hand lane and jumping ahead of them to cut onto the ring road.
Cut that road down to one lane and the accidents would decrease substantially.

kub

Roar wrote: »

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

There were actually 3 of them all at the same time.

1. Bloomfield, a few cars, I could not see due to the dazzle of the Garda car blue lights.

2. While i was heading for the tunnel and approx 50 meters from Junction 10 towards J 9 heading east, a van had a side impact with a car and pushed it into the central concrete barrier.

3. Also a further 10 meters behind accident 2 above, a car appeared to have been changing lanes perhaps heading westbound from J10, had collided side ways with the front of an artic truck.

The common denominator above seems to be people forgetting about their blind spots.

MissShihTzu

kub wrote: »

The common denominator above seems to be people forgetting about their blind spots.

People simply don't bother looking. Period. Neither do they properly judge the speed and distance before overtaking/pulling back in. Just tonight I had to brake at speed as a Yaris pulled out in front of me on the N25. When the car pulled back in, I passed the car. It was a young woman chatting away on her hands free :mad:

Cars reversing out of spaces without looking gets on my Bristols as well. People don't realise reversing traffic has no right of way!