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Crashes outside the Rochestown park hotel

Gru

Why can't people drive this south link road westbound after the Bloomfield interchange right outside the Rochestown Park Hotel. There are always crashes here and I hate driving this stretch of road. Every time I'm driving here cars will without fail brake for no reason at all causing everyone else to have to slow down and probably cause all the crashes.

Why is this? Does the sight of Douglas down below scare people? If so please get off the road Thanks.

Or is this just a convenient spot for insurance fraud?

If anyone can explain this I'd love to hear it.

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MissShihTzu

kub wrote: »

The common denominator above seems to be people forgetting about their blind spots.

People simply don't bother looking. Period. Neither do they properly judge the speed and distance before overtaking/pulling back in. Just tonight I had to brake at speed as a Yaris pulled out in front of me on the N25. When the car pulled back in, I passed the car. It was a young woman chatting away on her hands free :mad:

Cars reversing out of spaces without looking gets on my Bristols as well. People don't realise reversing traffic has no right of way!

kub

Roar wrote: »

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

There were actually 3 of them all at the same time.

1. Bloomfield, a few cars, I could not see due to the dazzle of the Garda car blue lights.

2. While i was heading for the tunnel and approx 50 meters from Junction 10 towards J 9 heading east, a van had a side impact with a car and pushed it into the central concrete barrier.

3. Also a further 10 meters behind accident 2 above, a car appeared to have been changing lanes perhaps heading westbound from J10, had collided side ways with the front of an artic truck.

The common denominator above seems to be people forgetting about their blind spots.

minidazzler

IMO a major part of the Bloomfield problem is that there is two lanes (from 'Carrigaline Road' ) which have to merge with each other and also merge with the main flow of traffic on the South Ring.
Most people tend to drive in the right hand lane but you then get fellas undercutting them in the left hand lane and jumping ahead of them to cut onto the ring road.
Cut that road down to one lane and the accidents would decrease substantially.

whisky_galore

Must be guaranteed crash a week now, have people turned into complete idiots? And it seems to be evenings rather than mornings.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Roar wrote: »

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

Past the Mahon one, right hand lane, two cars.
Usual rubberneckers and idiots unable to drive past and keep moving at a steady pace; traffic backed up beyond the tunnel.

MissShihTzu

Roar wrote: »

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

Yep - caught up the in backlash of that. Coming in from Glounthane, it was mental. Queue for the tunnel practically back to Little Island. Took me 25 minutes just to get to and cross the Tivoli flyover...

Roar

And another two crashes this evening. One at the mahon point junction 10, another at Bloomfield j9.

GavRedKing

two wheels good wrote: »

Douglas Flyover-South Link.

There are panels fitted to the side barriers along the flyover on the town side/east-bound of the flyover. Why weren't they also placed on the village/ west-bound side? Cost savings?

From a safety and noise reduction point there ought to be panels on both sides. The view "down below" is an unnecessary distraction and I expect for some people may be disorientating.

I heard somewhere that Douglas Community Assoc where making efforts to have barriers installed. Not sure how reliable that info is. I'll enquire.

I reckon they are on the town side because there is a house right next to that part of the flyover.

I dont know if its wholly a safety issue but for my OCD, I would prefer if both sides were closed off.

two wheels good

Douglas Flyover-South Ring.

There are panels fitted to the side barriers along the flyover on the town side/east-bound of the flyover. Why weren't they also placed on the village/ west-bound side? Cost savings?

From a safety and noise reduction point there ought to be panels on both sides. The view "down below" is an unnecessary distraction and I expect for some people may be disorientating.

I heard somewhere that Douglas Community Assoc where making efforts to have barriers installed. Not sure how reliable that info is. I'll enquire.

[Edit} Sorry South Ring - drives me nuts too!

Gru

Dang it. Usually I make the correct distinction myself as I know tends to cause confusion. So yes the road I was mentioning was the south ring road rather than the south link.

Pablo Escobar

bee06 wrote: »

mordeith wrote: »

He said 'down below'

I’d say the point Jimmy was making was that the stretch of road the OP is referring to is the South Ring not the South Link. A lot of people use them interchangeably and it drives some people mad.

It also drives me mad. I remember Red FM used to be at it too. I avoided the actual South Link a few times on their advice before realizing what they actually meant.

mordeith

bee06 wrote: »

I’d say the point Jimmy was making was that the stretch of road the OP is referring to is the South Ring not the South Link. A lot of people use them interchangeably and it drives some people mad.

Fair enough

bee06

mordeith wrote: »

He said 'down below'

I’d say the point Jimmy was making was that the stretch of road the OP is referring to is the South Ring not the South Link. A lot of people use them interchangeably and it drives some people mad.

mordeith

Jimmy Bottles wrote: »

The South Link Road doesn’t go anywhere near Douglas.

He said 'down below'

Jimmy Bottles

Gru wrote: »

Why can't people drive this south link road westbound after the Bloomfield interchange right outside the Rochestown Park Hotel. There are always crashes here and I hate driving this stretch of road. Every time I'm driving here cars will without fail brake for no reason at all causing everyone else to have to slow down and probably cause all the crashes.

Why is this? Does the sight of Douglas down below scare people? If so please get off the road Thanks.

Or is this just a convenient spot for insurance fraud?

If anyone can explain this I'd love to hear it.

The South Link Road doesn’t go anywhere near Douglas.

run_Forrest_run

the knock-on affect of that crash yesterday outside the Rochestown Park Hotel was unreal. The drive from Passage to Douglas took 50 minutes, even hours later Douglas village was at a standstill.

TheChizler

whisky_galore wrote: »

No. Not without enforcement.
People can't seem to drive properly or behave themselves on the road without the big stick drawn out.

I agree enforcement is needed, but I don't think that really has an effect on specific problem areas, it's only effective at changing the larger scale culture. How would enforcement on this section of road work? Gardaí hanging around pulling people over when they see people change lanes dangerously? Wouldn't that be more dangerous, occupying the hard shoulder and giving rubberneckers something to look at? If not that and fines are received a few days later instead I don't see how that would have an effect on this specific area.

I think there needs to be a physical change to the area, whether that's variable limit signs or road widening or something. Maybe the M28 will sort it out when it eventually happens.

whisky_galore

TheChizler wrote: »

I wonder would bringing the speed limit here down to 80 or 60 at peak hours help prevent some of these crashes. Bringing it down in advance with warning might be safer than the current situation of suddenly coming across a sea of brake lights and panicked lane changes.

No. Not without enforcement.
People can't seem to drive properly or behave themselves on the road without the big stick drawn out.

TheChizler

I wonder would bringing the speed limit here down to 80 or 60 at peak hours help prevent some of these crashes. Bringing it down in advance with warning might be safer than the current situation of suddenly coming across a sea of brake lights and panicked lane changes.

boardsuser1

Outside rochestown park hotel again.

https://twitter.com/brian_keohane79/status/934368211709190145

run_Forrest_run

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It’s still enforcement though.
The approach to the Kinsale Rd Rounabout allows for drivers to move in quite late. They need plastic bollards (as they have on the other side) extending back a significant distance as a preventative measure.

I was driving in San Diego a few years back and it was a similar issue there. The following day they had large bollards dividing the exit lane, so you had to queue up.

yep, sure lets not forget before they put traffic cones on the filter lane for the Kinsale rd roundabout, cars were dangerously lane hopping at the last minute. Did that stop it? No, they just lane hop further down now.

Problem with traffic bollards is drivers who are not familiar with the area suddenly freak out and feel they are going to miss their exit and decide to pull off some very dangerous manoeuvre.

But I agree with you on enforcement, it can only help matters.

j8wk2feszrnpao

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

while it may catch a few I don't believe many of the careless driving is being done by speeding cars. It's the lane hopping and non-courteous driving than I feel is causing many of the incidents.

But I'd love to see a member of the traffic corps patrolling that section of the south ring, even just for 2 hours 7-9am.

It’s still enforcement though.
The approach to the Kinsale Rd Rounabout allows for drivers to move in quite late. They need plastic bollards (as they have on the other side) extending back a significant distance as a preventative measure.

I was driving in San Diego a few years back and it was a similar issue there. The following day they had large bollards dividing the exit lane, so you had to queue up.

run_Forrest_run

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's the usual lack of enforcement. One speed van or garda car would have a field day with traffic approaching the Kinsale road roundabout.

while it may catch a few I don't believe many of the careless driving is being done by speeding cars. It's the lane hopping and non-courteous driving than I feel is causing many of the incidents.

But I'd love to see a member of the traffic corps patrolling that section of the south ring, even just for 2 hours 7-9am.

j8wk2feszrnpao

It's the usual lack of enforcement. One speed van or garda car would have a field day with traffic approaching the Kinsale road roundabout.

boardsuser1

Must be serious.

https://twitter.com/CorkSafetyAlert/status/930839181248561152

run_Forrest_run

whisky_galore wrote: »

Some really aggressive driving and chance-taking out there.

that's it, unreal arrogance.

whisky_galore

Another pile-up yesterday, not surprising going by the displays of eejitry I see, esp. in the evenings.

Some really aggressive driving and chance-taking out there.

MissShihTzu

It's not just at the Bloomfield or the Dunkettle, although that's bad enough.

The Kinsale Rd roundabout is a NIGHTMARE. I have to go there every day for work, and at least twice a week, there are near misses. People think the red light are an excuse to jump them as they don't want to wait. I myself was hit coming through there. Minding my own business in the left hand lane, and a woman driving a Tiguan smashed into me. Her excuse? I though the roads merged. The roundabout is poorly marked, but the bit where I was hit was clearly marked with three lanes!!

The standard of driving there is truly shocking.

whisky_galore

If we get a hard frost and black ice, things could get interesting.

Outkast_IRE

ofcork wrote: »

Saw a video of this on fb this morning queuing in the driving lane for the tunnel madness!

Same story again this morning from 07:30 all down to a lack of enforcment by Gardai and too many drivers trying to cut in late rather than join the massive queue. Trucks , Cars Vans area all at it. Every single one should be done for dangerous driving