Are You married...

Atoms for Peace

and do you have children? Asked John Halligan TD to a civil servant during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

eviltwin

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

Why should your marital status matter?

Zebra3

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

No, it’s not.

_Brian

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

Mad question to ask and anyone who interviews regularly would know well enough to stay clear of personal and family issues.

Jawgap

Opened this expecting it to be chore sex/pua/agricultural revolution guy

jamesbere

Bit of a joke of a ruling really, people are so over sensitive nowadays that I pity our future generations

Tigger

im marrid an i have a kid
hes a boy
i love him and talk about him at every opportunity
ill show gou photos and of him being cute

it has no place of discussion in my job interviews

branie2

too personal, if you ask me

GerryDerpy

You are not allowed to ask any questions that will help you get to know the person sitting in front of you. Only questions that can be responded to with bull crap lies are allowed.

For Forks Sake

Tigger wrote: »

im marrid an i have a kid
hes a boy
i love him and talk about him at every opportunity
ill show gou photos and of him being cute

it has no place of discussion in my job interviews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPHnT-hkzKo

Tigger

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPHnT-hkzKo

yup

Peatys

jamesbere wrote: »

Bit of a joke of a ruling really, people are so over sensitive nowadays that I pity our future generations

I'm offended by that. Give me 7k

Hitman3000

Atoms for Peace wrote:

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

No it's not. It had absolutely no relevance to the position other than the applicant was a woman.

splinter65

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

No it’s not relevant at all, what difference does it make to anyone if a job applicant is married with children?
Why do you think it’s relevant ?

bear1

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

He could ask any other question to put her at ease, what are you hobbies? Did you go on holidays this year?
He hadn't the right to ask it especially as he said himself he shouldn't be asking.
Was it worth a payout? Probably not.
Also depends if potentially this affected her ability in getting the position.

Cee-Jay-Cee

While I agree that the question should not have formed any part (formally or informally) in the interview, I think it’s ridiculous that she was awarded €7500 because of it.

Cortina_MK_IV

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

The snake.

LirW

Meanwhile I'm asking myself if Donal Skehan will do a live instagram video when his baby falls out of his wife.

.......

This post has been deleted.

I love Sean nos

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

John Hooligan TD to a civil serpent

Childish nonsense.

Atoms for Peace

Its ridiculous that personal questions should now be outside the pale. It would be nice if people were hired with some regard to their disposition and personality. Fair enough if the answer was used to discriminate the applicant in some way, but there seems to be no evidence of this, rather it was common icebreaker type of question.

Atoms for Peace

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Childish nonsense.

Freudian auto correct.:P

_Brian

jamesbere wrote: »

Bit of a joke of a ruling really, people are so over sensitive nowadays that I pity our future generations

But it’s not a joke, it’s one of the specific 9 grounds for discrimination in the workplace.

maudgonner

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Its ridiculous that personal questions should now be outside the pale. It would be nice if people were hired with some regard to their disposition and personality. Fair enough if the answer was used to discriminate the applicant in some way, but there seems to be no evidence of this, rather it was common icebreaker type of question.

But the WRC found that she was discriminated against, so by your own definition 'fair enough', eh?

bottlebrush

maudgonner wrote: »

But the WRC found that she was discriminated against, so by your own definition 'fair enough', eh?

did she get the job or not?

pauliebdub

The guy is a complete and utter idiot, he even looks like a clown that has taken off his make up. He should pay the 7 k himself. Those kind of questions have no place in the interview process, it's irrelevant whether she has kids or not and it's a question he would never have asked a man.

pauliebdub

bottlebrush wrote: »

did she get the job or not?

No she didn't.

expectationlost

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Halligan TD to a civil servant during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

this is the full adjudication http://www.lrc.ie/en/Cases/2017/October/ADJ-00005366.html

bottlebrush

pauliebdub wrote: »

No she didn't.

wonder if the successful candidate was married/has children or otherwise

valoren

He looks like Robert De Niro playing Albert Einstein.

s15r330

Tigger wrote: »

im marrid an i have a kid
hes a boy
i love him and talk about him at every opportunity
ill show gou photos and of him being cute

it has no place of discussion in my job interviews

Ugh, I went to college with someone like that and avoided them for those exact reasons.

Spanish Eyes

Is this the same guy who is going to North Korea to solve the worlds nuclear problems with mullet head?.

OMG.

I doubt he would have asked the same question of a male candidate now would he?

Plus ca change, et plus rest la meme chose. Go and translate it you philistines!

bobbysands81

jamesbere wrote: »

Bit of a joke of a ruling really, people are so over sensitive nowadays that I pity our future generations

The job this lady was applying for is a role that requires a lot of extra attendance, late nights and a lot of travel in Ireland and abroad.

I believe that the inference in Halligan’s question was that he viewed her being a mother as a negative and something that could get in the way of the carrying out of all the extra duties that would be required of her.

strandroad

Any HR professional would know that you can't ask questions related to possible discrimination grounds, such as ethnicity, family status, religion, sexuality etc. unless you can prove that they are directly related to the nature of the role. Hallinan should have been stopped after the first question by the HR person present.

strandroad

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The job this lady was applying for is a role that requires a lot of extra attendance, late nights and a lot of travel in Ireland and abroad.

I believe that the inference in Halligan’s question was that he viewed her being a mother as a negative and something that could get in the way of the carrying out of all the extra duties that would be required of her.

The correct and fair way of exploring it in an interview is to describe the workload and travel required and to ask if the candidate could commit to it and if there are any reasons they couldn't.

RayM

Is this some kind of reference to me not being married?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUEV4rnu5V8

CalamariFritti

So who gives a f*** whether it was appropriate or slightly wrong or whatever it was. Are we seriously saying its such a bad thing to do to be sprawled all over the media and the 'victim' be given 7 grand? Seriously?

DeanAustin

pauliebdub wrote: »

The guy is a complete and utter idiot, he even looks like a clown that has taken off his make up. He should pay the 7 k himself. Those kind of questions have no place in the interview process, it's irrelevant whether she has kids or not and it's a question he would never have asked a man.

But it’s okay for you to comment on his appearance in those sorts of degrading terms?

I love how people try to hold everyone else to a higher standard than they hold themselves.

strandroad

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So who gives a f*** whether it was appropriate or slightly wrong or whatever it was. Are we seriously saying its such a bad thing to do to be sprawled all over the media and the 'victim' be given 7 grand? Seriously?

It's probably their one monthly salary.
It was a very senior post with specialised hiring, you were down to your last three candidates. Because you were dumb, you are found in breach of the rules against one of them. You have effectively denied them their fair chance. You're not going to rerun the process (you've already hired another candidate), you can't consider them for an equivalent role opening since it's a once off post, so you're compensating them for the chance they lost due to your breach. Again most likely one month's wages at their level.

branie2

For the record, I'm not married, and I don't have kids

lawred2

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

and do you have children? Asked John Halligan TD to a civil servant during a job interview.
The punch line of this joke involves a €7k pay-out from the wrc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-was-trying-to-put-her-at-ease-civil-servant-awarded-7k-after-john-halligan-asked-was-she-married-during-interview-36301419.html

Surely it's a reasonably question if your applying for a job.

What's reasonable about it?

kenmc

Who pays the 7k? Him, or his employer, us?

Daft fcukin twat, in this day and age the dogs on the street know you can't ask that sort of question. In my place we can't even ask in small talk if they had far to come or how they got to the interview in case we accidentally hear they live in (bad area) and don't hire them... despite their address likely being on their cv or application.

Ineedaname

He admits he shouldn’t ask it but did so anyway and didn’t ask any of the other candidates.

What a moron. Even basic common sense should tell you that you can’t ask something like that.

Ineedaname

kenmc wrote: »

Who pays the 7k? Him, or his employer, us?

Daft fcukin twat, in this day and age the dogs on the street know you can't ask that sort of question. In my place we can't even ask in small talk if they had far to come or how they got to the interview in case we accidentally hear they live in (bad area) and don't hire them... despite their address likely being on their cv or application.

He was in official capacity as a minister so the tax payer foots the bill.

Tigger

s15r330 wrote: »

Ugh, I went to college with someone like that and avoided them for those exact reasons.

lke what

munsterlegend

Could he not just have looked at her wedding ring finger?! As for the kids ask what kind of phone she has. Oh that's a great phone was thinking about getting one myself.usually people have a photo with the children as a screensaver. Maybe even the husband/wife!

jamesbere

Peatys wrote: »

I'm offended by that. Give me 7k

No bother, would you accept lira

DeirdreDee

strandroad wrote:

It's probably their one monthly salary. It was a very senior post with specialised hiring, you were down to your last three candidates. Because you were dumb, you are found in breach of the rules against one of them. You have effectively denied them their fair chance. You're not going to rerun the process (you've already hired another candidate), you can't consider them for an equivalent role opening since it's a once off post, so you're compensating them for the chance they lost due to your breach. Again most likely one month's wages at their level.

An Executive Officer in the Civil Service, even with the Private Secretary Allowance, gets nowhere near €84k per annum.

Roger_007

Are you allowed to ask about leisure activities?
If you are, you would soon hear all about activities with their kids, if they have any.

PARlance

What an idiot. Who doesn't check Fbook or the likes in advance to find these things out.

dd972

Male, Poor and unattractive, married?

Of course not.