What EV to get next?

My Contract is up on the 24th of January and I got 2 weeks after that and the car must be handed back, so, the Leaf won't be available and won't be available in all trims, or SVE or whatever the top spec will be so the Leaf 2018 is completely out for me.

RCI said there is no negotiation at the end, I must re-finance, pay balloon or hand it back so even if it's worth 10K I've to pay 11,300 balloon, no chance and no chance to extend lease by another few months either.

Ioniq ? a good car but a bit boring to be honest I wanted something with more power and Hyundai Ireland still refuse to import high spec Ioniqs.

I3 2nd hand, I would like the Rex, probably can only get older 21 Kwh which wouldn't bother me too much if it were Rex, can't get high spec I3s too easily.

I3 option 2 would be a new 33 Kwh or New S BEV only.

Golf , not interested.

Zoe , Not interested.

There really are no real options as I was hoping , Nissan seriously P1ssed me off so think I'm not going back to Nissan in a hurry !

So now's the time to order and I might have to rent a car for a couple of months or buy a pile of dirt ICE that's on it's last legs for the year, that's another option but one I'm not keen on.

pwurple

Out of curiosity, how much did the 3 year lease cost you?

About 22K.

5K down and 36 x 460 PM

thierry14

Buy a cheap ICE and wait for Model 3/competitors

Whatever you buy now will be underpowered, overpriced, inferior to what will come in 201

stesaurus

thierry14 wrote: »

Buy a cheap ICE and wait for Model 3/competitors

Whatever you buy now will be underpowered, overpriced, inferior to what will come in 201

Stick a gps tracker on your current Leaf, follow it to auction and buy it back? Or get a similar spec from the UK. Something to tide you over until the proper 2nd gen EVs appear.
It's what I'll probably do.

thierry14

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About 22K.

5K down and 36 x 460 PM

That's serious money and nothing to show for it

Do you get the 5k back?

You get nothing back.

You will suffer depreciation on any car mate, you never get anything back.

It would have cost me a lot more to drive an EGolf for instance or even a TDI Golf.

NIMAN

Deposit is not refundable.

NIMAN

You not be tempted to get the cheapest Irish Leaf you can see for Sale?

Even if it's 2011 with a few bars missing, to tide you over for a year or two? Considering you have all the cables and charger in place.

mickdw

It is alot of money.
A diesel golf will drop about 15k in three years so you could have pcp'd and fueled a golf for reasonable mileage cheaper over the term.

mickdw

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want a diesel golf either.

No not a high spec DSG I couldn't. That's 30 odd K new + diesel, remember leaf SVE is quiet a high spec car.

thierry14

thierry14 wrote: »

Buy a cheap ICE and wait for Model 3/competitors

Whatever you buy now will be underpowered, overpriced, inferior to what will come in 201

That is an option but a horrid one lol

Will always be a better option in a year or two with any car.

thierry14

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That is an option but a horrid one lol

Will always be a better option in a year or two with any car.

Most here are happy pothering about in Leafs/Zoe/Golf/Ioniq

Your not

The car you want now is only made by Tesla and cost 80k new

You have to wait Mad_Lad

200bhp+ will be the norm when Model 3 upsets the equilibrium

Then the fun begins

I was happy for 3 years FFS lol. Give me a break , I want a change !

Ioniq could be a consideration if Hyundai Ireland would just import a few fecking high spec ones but they have to buy in bulk and feel they would not be able to sell them so they won't take the risk the chicken ****s, course they's dell them !

I really enjoyed the I3 and think this will be my next EV, the Rex, most likely 2nd hand. I'd love the S but the rex would be too expensive new.

But......... half dead cheap ICE might also be the way for a year, I might even go all out and get petrol 5 series 3.0L V6 ! guess of 3.5 K for fuel and still won't loose as much !

2K for ICE, 2.5K for fuel, a lot cheaper no matter how you look at it.

jimmycrackcorm

Can you trade it in advance against a new model leaf that you'll have to wait for? Buy a cheap banger in the meantime that your hardly loose anything on when going to sell later?

The 460 you pay per month would go a long way to sort that if you are waiting for three or four months.

But the problem here is that I can't get the high spec Leaf even at launch. I'll have to wait most likely until April/May then what's the point ? another year and 60 Kwh higher powered leaf will be around, 150-200 HP, if current 2018 will be 150 HO means the high power Leaf might be 200 HP. So not really interested in 40 Kwh for 3 more years, I had high hopes for a 60 Kwh for early 2018 back in 2015 !

Mr. Wexford Doyle

Tesla, maybe? What would be the best Tesla to buy right now BTW?

Also, the Nissan Leaf could be a cheaper option, have you considered this?

Nissan leaf cheaper ? how do you mean ? New or keep current one ? RCI banque said I'd have to refinance based on GFMV which is more than it's worth.

There is no model S 85 Kwh below I think 55 odd K and you'd have to import from the U.K which is hassle I'm not willing to go through. I simply have no time for that messing around.

Mr. Wexford Doyle

There are some Model S cars in Ireland on Carzone.

If you want the Model X or Model 3, you would have to get them imported.

I have test-driven the Model S before and they are a brilliant car, pricey but luxurious.

40 odd K Pounds + add VRT

Mr. Wexford Doyle

I understand, all the Tesla cars listed on Carzone are priced around 70k.

Have you considered the BMW i3 or i8? I have also drove these cars and they are wonderful. The i3 would make more sense as a day-to-day EV and is more cheaper to buy than the i8.

I’m strongly considering the I3 after the test drive back in July. It would have to be the Rex given the poor CCS coverage but I’d most likely have to commit 3 more years not the end of the world.

Problem there is that it’s very hard to find a high spec I3 in Ireland.

Model S will be expensive with essential toys. But so too is theI3 Rex and that’s mainly thanks to VRT.

Mr. Wexford Doyle

I'm just wondering, would you ever consider the i8? I know it's like a hybrid version of the M3 but it is still good.

thierry14

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I was happy for 3 years FFS lol. Give me a break , I want a change !

Ioniq could be a consideration if Hyundai Ireland would just import a few fecking high spec ones but they have to buy in bulk and feel they would not be able to sell them so they won't take the risk the chicken ****s, course they's dell them !

I really enjoyed the I3 and think this will be my next EV, the Rex, most likely 2nd hand. I'd love the S but the rex would be too expensive new.

But......... half dead cheap ICE might also be the way for a year, I might even go all out and get petrol 5 series 3.0L V6 ! guess of 3.5 K for fuel and still won't loose as much !

2K for ICE, 2.5K for fuel, a lot cheaper no matter how you look at it.

Cheapest option is to buy your current Leaf and drive it into the ground if it's saving money your after

You will have wasted 22k if you don't

First 3 years cost you 22k

Next 3 years will cost you 11k

Thats the no brainer

I think your mad giving it back after putting 22k in, that would sicken me

Leaf should give you 10 years trouble free motoring

peposhi

Try Phil Fitzgerald to source you a high spec i3?

thecomedian

In reality though it hasn’t cost that much as you need to offset what diesel/petrol would have cost over that time.

I’d go and buy the car outright, then at least you can sell it in 12/24 months when the car you want becomes available.

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

Try Phil Fitzgerald to source you a high spec i3?

I could try, it would make life a lot handier.

thierry14

thierry14 wrote: »

Cheapest option is to buy your current Leaf and drive it into the ground if it's saving money your after

You will have wasted 22k if you don't

First 3 years cost you 22k

Next 3 years will cost you 11k

Thats the no brainer

I think your mad giving it back after putting 22k in, that would sicken me

Leaf should give you 10 years trouble free motoring

90,000 is my contract mileage, I'm at 81,200 now.

90,000 of fuel in the Prius at 60 Mpg would require about 4,237 Litres of Petrol costing about 1.30 Per Liter.

That's a total of 5,500 Euro's. I won't add servicing because the Prius was cheap to maintain. About 110 for service. Roughly the same for Leaf inspection.

Electricity costs, that's harder to calculate because I've received at least 50% free electricity for my commute for the last 2 years and 3 months and spme free public charging.

But on average the leccy bill went up by about 40 PM x 36 would cost 1,440 that's a rough calculation. 40 PM is probably more than it's cost.

4 K not spent on fuel is 22K car - 4K = 18K .

18K - motor tax saving of 1,182 = 16,818 to drive New Leaf for 3 years and what will be very very close to 90,000 Kms.

thierry14

thierry14 wrote: »

Cheapest option is to buy your current Leaf and drive it into the ground if it's saving money your after

It is another option, but one I don't fancy because I had not intended putting the balloon which was my main reason for leasing in the first place, however don't get me wrong, leasing has given me the advantage to buy or walk away.

I never expected a deposit going forward if you refer to my thread "Guess What Mad_Lad got" and one reason I leased.

But buying would give me the freedom to choose in 5-6 months but I also risk further depreciation. But if I trade in 2019 for instance I might still have 8 K in the Leaf.

goz83

You could consider buying the car and not being tied into a finance timeframe which largely dictates/influences your decision on what to buy next. If you are outside of the current finance agreement you then have the freedom to wait until you can make an informed decision and you could wait for the new Leaf if you wanted to. You won't lose much on your current Leaf when it comes to selling it on. It's the highest spec and a desirable colour (it's not white ), so that will make it easier to shift.

I certainly understand that you want to change sooner rather than later, but keep in mind that you would have extended your finance arrangement if possible and waited longer. Purchasing the current Leaf through a different finance arrangement won't make much difference to the bottom line and gives you the wiggle room you want.

737max

Easter is on 1st April 2018. up until then is plenty of time to rent a car cheaply. After than I'd recommend an early early 2000s Yaris/Micra for three months - 50mpg/approx €50 euro motor tax for 3 months and cheapest insurance possible - maybe skip the hire car completely and just transfer insurance straight over. You might not want to be in a Yaris or Micra but it certainly will give the breathing space to make the right decision as to what to buy.
Bluff the finance company. Let them take it back and then the car becomes their problem, not yours and you'll be doing them a favour by buying it at a price below balloon payment and above what they will get for it through trade or even track it as suggested by another and buy it at auction.

The problem with that is I would pay cash for the balloon which I did not want to which dives into my fund for the next EV, yes I'll get some of that back at trade in. I would not refinance as that would be costing me in interest.

If I buy new or even 2nd hand I3 I'll be locked in for another 3 years.

An I3 Rex is very appealing to me though due to the range extender even if it's an expensive option the range would be handy when I need it.

I was quoted 600 PM with 10K down on 162 I3 Rex back in July. 31,600 total. Can't remember what the GFMV was but it's going to hold value better than the Leaf, other option is to go with regular finance but cost of credit is high but would mean I'm not locked into agreement, I can trade it in a year or two if I wished.

I'm not necessarily looking for the cheapest option but rather one that doesn't require spending more money on the Leaf and I really do want to change.

As I said while the Ioniq is good the CCS network is not and Rex gives you a hell of a lot of freedom.

Other option is to buy 2014/15 I3 and go with regular finance for the balance. Sure it won;t have as much EV range but would still take me anywhere I want.

737max

737max wrote: »

Easter is on 1st April 2018. up until then is plenty of time to rent a car cheaply. After than I'd recommend an early early 2000s Yaris/Micra for three months - 50mpg/approx €50 euro motor tax for 3 months and cheapest insurance possible - maybe skip the hire car completely and just transfer insurance straight over. You might not want to be in a Yaris or Micra but it certainly will give the breathing space to make the right decision as to what to buy.
Bluff the finance company. Let them take it back and then the car becomes their problem, not yours and you'll be doing them a favour by buying it at a price below balloon payment and above what they will get for it through trade or even track it as suggested by another and buy it at auction.

It is another option I've considered, renting or buying really cheap ICE.

The garage won't loose, they'll sell it for 11,500 or 12K. The dealer takes the hit if there is any not the finance company, the dealer buys it from the finance company.

Financial institutions never loose, they made sure that the dealer buys at the end so they take no loss, clever !

unkel

You're edgy after 3 long years with the Leaf and you want something more than what a far eastern FWD econobox EV can give you. That leaves very little choice. Just BMW i3 and Tesla Model S really. It seems you can't afford a new i3 or a second hand Model S

So the conclusion is, the only EV that will make you happy and that you can afford is the i3. Go for it

I could afford new I3 S, not with all the goodies, however I don't think I could stretch to the Rex I3 S. My problem is Range. Though it should be good for 200 odd Kms or a bit more if I could get 175 Kms in the Rex with 7% battery left, though that's tight margin.

My dilemma is if I should spend so much.....

unkel

If you really can afford a new i3S (from €57k list), I feel you'd be a fool not to go for a second hand Tesla Model S CPO (from about €50k)

Have you even driven one? If not, why not?

€57k plus no doubt many thousands in extras for a BMW i3 seems like crazy money to me. And no, I haven't driven an i3 myself, I will do soon enough. And I've owned more BMWs than any other make and it is probably my favourite car make. I have driven Tesla Model S

The BMW site doesn't show the Grant and vrt relief. I3 S would be 47 K no ?

I can't buy 2nd hand model S in Ireland .

Think you're right though would be a bit mental at that price regardless.

Cheapest Model S on Autotrader is 45K Euro's, any VRT on this ? that would make I3 Ridiculous really. Shame you can't lease one in Ireland, Tesla Ireland should import a few.

Imagine the cost if something went wrong out of warranty and Tesla have had issues.

unkel

What's your obsession with lease / PCP? You've paid a massive profit into the hands of the lease company while driving your Leaf. Why not keep your money and buying and owning your own car and being your own man? Cheapest Model S regularly dips below £40k (add maybe 3k VRT), but I would focus on a CPO model costing a bit more...

thierry14

unkel wrote: »

What's your obsession with lease / PCP? You've paid a massive profit into the hands of the lease company while driving your Leaf. Why not keep your money and buying and owning your own car and being your own man? Cheapest Model S regularly dips below £40k (add maybe 3k VRT), but I would focus on a CPO model costing a bit more...

Why would he want to buy it?

Why would anyone want to buy an EV when they are going to get a different one in 3 - 5 years anyway

Better to have cash in an asset that doesn't depreciate

I have yet to hear of anyone that wants to keep current EV's for 10 years plus

In that case its cheaper to get a low interest pcp with as small a deposit as possible or lease

In the States leasing the Chevy Bolt is very popular

Its like 300 month, thats less than depreciation

peposhi

thierry14 wrote: »

Why would he want to buy it?

Why would anyone want to buy an EV when they are going to get a different one in 3 - 5 years anyway

Better to have cash in an asset that doesn't depreciate

I have yet to hear of anyone that wants to keep current EV's for 10 years plus

In that case its cheaper to get a low interest pcp with as small a deposit as possible or lease

In the States leasing the Chevy Bolt is very popular

Its like 300 month, thats less than depreciation

We are keeping ours

The 30kwh Leaf will be run to the ground by my wife as she does not like changing cars, is in love with the Leaf and does not like the new model, nor i3, nor Zoe, nor Tesla (wtf?!?iswrongwithher), nor any other car I showed her bar one.
So she gets the Leaf, I get whatever I want the time to replace the ICE comes...

On the topic - Mad_Lad, hand it back, get Phil to sort you out some i3 REX and enjoy both the car and the life past Nissan RCI

I don't really think about 16K including all the savings is a hell of a lot really, yes the finance company got 22 K but it's really only cost me 16K.

My main reason for changing is due to range , I want/need something this time around with more range be it Ioniq or Rex there really isn't much choice.

My other main reason to change is that I do not want to pay 33K for the Leaf in total , not including savings. This was not my reason for leasing, to keep it.

I can't go into Tesla Ireland and lease a Model S for 3 years 2nd hand. New is obviously out of my price range. At that stage I could decide whether to keep the Model S or not. It would be one mega expensive car to fix if something went wrong out of warranty.

n97 mini

22k and 3 years later no car to show for it. If ever there was an argument for not buying new that's it. A one year old can be had for 15k and it's yours outright.

But anyway back to your predicament. As above get one of the EV specialists to source you a nearly new car from the UK. I haven't looked but I'd be surprised if you couldn't get a used top spec Ioniq. Personally I couldn't do an i3, they're seriously fugly.

No car to show for it ? what do you think I've been driving for 81,000 kms and 2 years 10 months ?

I didn't pay them for nothing you know.

So if i paid all 33K then you think having a Leaf is better ? it is if you want to own it and keep it, I never did to begin with and there was noting to choose 2nd hand when I got mine, there were no updated gen leafs to buy.

n97 mini

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No car to show for it ? what do you think I've been driving for 81,000 kms and 2 years 10 months ?

I did say after 3 years. If I understand right unless you pay the balloon or refinance you have no car after 3 years?

That's true, no care but I also do not pay the 11,300 to own it if I change up, that goes as deposit towards the next car.

thecomedian

11k for a 141 Leaf doesn’t seem too bad. At least you could sell it whenever you wanted and you wouldn’t be stuck to another financial agreement.

peposhi

thecomedian wrote: »

11k for a 141 Leaf doesn’t seem too bad. At least you could sell it whenever you wanted and you wouldn’t be stuck to another financial agreement.

151SVE

It's actually driving me mental thinking about what to do If the Leaf 40 kwh with full spec was available in January i'd probably buy it but the same will happen next year with the 191 Leaf, it won't be available probably until the Spring.

peposhi

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It's actually driving me mental thinking about what to do If the Leaf 40 kwh with full spec was available in January i'd probably buy it but the same will happen next year with the 191 Leaf, it won't be available probably until the Spring.

Would they not let you continue paying until the new Leaf SVE comes up, Mad_Lad?
Regardless which way you go, you have no equity to use as a deposit. It would have to be your savings that will go as a deposit for your new car.
How about refinancing the GMFV and sell the car in 2/3 months when you have the right car /whether is a Leaf, an i3 or Tesla). Then sell the car privately, cover the loan and if you have a few extra bobs - happy days if not - at least cover the loan in full.
When I traded in my old Leaf, I got RCI to confirm the money I had to pay them to clear the loan, got a loan from CU to cover the add on to get my new Leaf and cover the previous loan and got sorted...