Are we ready for a terrorist attack?

Muahahaha

I would say not at all, nowhere near it. The Hutch-Kinahan feud brought about the introduction of the Armed Response Unit last year. These guys are our first line of defence against any terrorist attack which is far more likely now to come from a lone wolf with a gun than any kind of car bomb or similar attack.

You see the Armed Response Unit around the city centre quite a lot, they look the part in their militaristic uniforms and baseball hats and they certainly act the part when they spin though town in their large van with the side doors open like the A-Team and with their guns showing. I used to think great, these guys look like they know what theyre doing. But after that incident of an armed man in Tallaght leading them on a 7 hour merry dance a couple of weeks ago and now another ongoing incident of a teenager who is also armed them I really have to question how good these guys are.

The armed man in Tallaght managed to evade them for 7 hours last week. 200+ Gardai and a helicopter on a man hunt and it took them seven whole hours during which time he went full Grand Theft Auto and stole six cars as well as assaulting one of the owners. Now you would think that with a manhunt the smart thing to do is to set up checkpoints at all major junctions in the direct area. But not a single checkpoint, instead what you had was 200+ Gardai sprinting like headless chickens from one car theft location to the next and each time they got there they were too late and he out ran them.

And then eventually they did arrest him but not until they got even more egg on their face. Watch this video of the suspect running into Citywest Shopping Centre and when watching see if you can count how many Gardai chase in after him.
https://www.facebook.com/paul.mcauley.96/videos/1583060015107213/?q=citywest%20shopping%20centre%20shooting

My count is 26 Gardai ran in after him. There was definitely more as the camera angle often points to the ground but in the video you can count 26 Gardai running in after him. And what does Mr.No.1 on the Garda Most Wanted list do? He strolls right back out the same front door he came in, somehow having evaded 26 Gardai. This was a man known to Gardai, they have his photo on Pulse, they know what he looks like. Yet he evaded 200+ Gardai for 7 hours and even then in his arrest he tricks a further 26 by hiding behind a door and watching them all leg it in after him. You could not make this stuff up, in fact the only thing missing from that video is the theme tune to Benny Hill.

And now case in point no.2. Right now there is another man hunt underway for a teenager on the loose with a rifle. Last night they shut down the whole of Blanch Shopping Centre when a credible report came that he was inside. They surrounded the whole place in under 6 minutes (credit due here in fairness) but somehow the kid evades them and he is now still on the loose. Like how the hell did that happen? How did a teenager outsmart the ARU and dozens of more Gardai at the scene?

I will tell you what, these two cases involved two armed men who dont actually seem intent on hurting members of the public, despite the fact they are armed. At least neither of them has fired a bullet. But there are serious questions to asked here, if they were lone wolf terrorists then they would have had a field day going on a shooting spree. The only thing that would be stopping them is running out of bullets because these two incidents involving the Armed Response Unit have shown that they are completely at sixes and sevens when it comes to dealing with this type of incident. If terrorism does strike here we are fooked.

jamesbere

I've my Stanley knife on stand by just in case

kippy

Muahahaha wrote: »

I would say not at all, nowhere near it. The Hutch-Kinahan feud brought about the introduction of the Armed Response Unit last year. These guys are our first line of defence against any terrorist attack which is far more likely now to come from a lone wolf with a gun than any kind of car bomb or similar attack.

You see the Armed Response Unit around the city centre quite a lot, they look the part in their militaristic uniforms and baseball hats and they certainly act the part when they spin though town in their large van with the side doors open like the A-Team and with their guns showing. I used to think great, these guys look like they know what theyre doing. But after that incident of an armed man in Tallaght leading them on a 7 hour merry dance a couple of weeks ago and now another ongoing incident of a teenager who is also armed them I really have to question how good these guys are.

The armed man in Tallaght managed to evade them for 7 hours last week. 200+ Gardai and a helicopter on a man hunt and it took them seven whole hours during which time he went full Grand Theft Auto and stole six cars as well as assaulting one of the owners. Now you would think that with a manhunt the smart thing to do is to set up checkpoints at all major junctions in the direct area. But not a single checkpoint, instead what you had was 200+ Gardai sprinting like headless chickens from one car theft location to the next and each time they got there they were too late and he out ran them.

And then eventually they did arrest him but not until they got even more egg on their face. Watch this video of the suspect running into Citywest Shopping Centre and when watching see if you can count how many Gardai chase in after him.
https://www.facebook.com/paul.mcauley.96/videos/1583060015107213/?q=citywest%20shopping%20centre%20shooting

My count is 26 Gardai ran in after him. There was definitely more as the camera angle often points to the ground but in the video you can count 26 Gardai running in after him. And what does Mr.No.1 on the Garda Most Wanted list do? He strolls right back out the same front door he came in, somehow having evaded 26 Gardai. This was a man known to Gardai, they have his photo on Pulse, they know what he looks like. Yet he evaded 200+ Gardai for 7 hours and even then in his arrest he tricks a further 26 by hiding behind a door and watching them all leg it in after him. You could not make this stuff up, in fact the only thing missing from that video is the theme tune to Benny Hill.

And now case in point no.2. Right now there is another man hunt underway for a teenager on the loose with a rifle. Last night they shut down the whole of Blanch Shopping Centre when a credible report came that he was inside. They surrounded the whole place in under 6 minutes (credit due here in fairness) but somehow the kid evades them and he is now still on the loose. Like how the hell did that happen? How did a teenager outsmart the ARU and dozens of more Gardai at the scene?

I will tell you what, these two cases involved two armed men who dont actually seem intent on hurting members of the public, despite the fact they are armed. At least neither of them has fired a bullet. But there is a serious questions to asked here, if they were lone wolf terrorists then they would have had a field day going on a shooting spree. The only thing that would be stopping them is running out of bullets because these two incidents involving the Armed Response Unit have shown that they are completely at sixes and sevens when it comes to dealing with this type of incident. If terrorism does strike here we are fooked.

What's the cost of being ready? Not just in monetary terms.
What does 'being ready' mean?
Surely the terrorists have won if we change fundamentally how we go about our business.

The Backwards Man

Yeah, what would we know about terrorism in Ireland?

Boom_Bap

They should just start shooting people randomly until they get the culprit.

Nettle Soup

Tabnabs

The State can also call on the assets of the Army Ranger Wing to deploy to terrorist situations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkdOD4JfQA

I mean, we've dealt with terrorism for... what... 50 years? I'm pretty certain we're used to it.

Harry Palmr

What an idiotic OP. Real life is not be confused with drama on de telly. One person esp on foot is easily the hardest target to capture unless they are using a Zimmer frame for mobility. (just as an aside why don't crims use Burqas - slip on one and who'd ever know?)

Odhinn

Boom_Bap wrote: »

They should just start shooting people randomly until they get the culprit.

I don't think we could afford the ammunition.

Kermit.de.frog

No, I don't think we are equipped to deal with a full on serious incident.

We have never really taken security in the state seriously with low and mid level criminality. What makes people think a higher level of competence would exist dealing with the aftermath of extremists bent on killing?

How many ambulances, for example, are operating in Dublin at the one time? Last I read a couple of years back is was low single figures.

irishrover99

Muahahaha wrote: »

But after that incident of an armed man in Tallaght leading them on a 7 hour merry dance a couple of weeks ago
.

It took the French army and Parisian police weeks to catch some of the terrorists who attacked Paris.
The ones they caught wanted to be caught so they could kill more people.

Donald Trump

Never mind Terror. Are you ready for Love?

I mean you'd better brace yourself when Elton is coming (pun intended)

weldoninhio

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No, I don't think we are not equipped to deal with a full on serious incident.

How many ambulances, for example, are operating in Dublin at the one time? Last I read a couple of years back is was low single figures.

So you do think we are ready??

branie2

It might not happen

Boom_Bap

Odhinn wrote: »

I don't think we could afford the ammunition.

Best let the ARU do the job how they have been trained so with the safety of the public in mind, don't want to waste them bullets.

Donald Trump

Odhinn wrote: »

I don't think we could afford the ammunition.

Riddled?

branie2

They don't grow on trees!

Orangeglacier

People go on about this lad on a seven hour rampage, but don't look at it from the point of view he disappeared at 7am after he first went nuts and didn't appear till about 6 hours later so he literally actively engaging in crime for less than 45 mins

Omackeral

branie2 wrote: »

It might not happen

Great point.

Kermit.de.frog

She was some woman that Mick Collins.

El Weirdo

... The Hutch-Kinahan feud brought about the introduction of the Armed Response Unit last year.

I think you'll find that they've been around a bit longer than that.

Zebra3

My suggestions on how we get ourselves ready for any potential attack:

1) Smash civil liberties. Declare an unending state of emergency now.

2) Cut back on spending in education and health and buy stuff that kills people.

3) Get our politicans and media to whip the public up in to a state of fear.

4) Label anyone speaking out against the above as an Islamic communist and organise witch hunts.

Job done, democracy saved.

corner of hells

Orangeglacier wrote: »

People go on about this lad on a seven hour rampage, but don't look at it from the point of view he disappeared at 7am after he first went nuts and didn't appear till about 6 hours later so he literally actively engaging in crime for less than 45 mins

Apparently he went for a kip for the missing six hours.Terrorism can't be very tiring , so I'm told.

Nettle Soup

weldoninhio wrote: »

So you do think we are ready??

It's a triple negative...he's a witch!!

nelly17

I think based on how the Guards reacted when that nutter surfaced in Citywest - possibly yes.

But...

The hospitals - holy **** are we screwed

jonon9

Well iv a hammer in the shed sooo yeah im ready.

bennyl10

Muahahaha wrote: »

I would say not at all, nowhere near it. The Hutch-Kinahan feud brought about the introduction of the Armed Response Unit last year. These guys are our first line of defence against any terrorist attack which is far more likely now to come from a lone wolf with a gun than any kind of car bomb or similar attack.

You see the Armed Response Unit around the city centre quite a lot, they look the part in their militaristic uniforms and baseball hats and they certainly act the part when they spin though town in their large van with the side doors open like the A-Team and with their guns showing. I used to think great, these guys look like they know what theyre doing. But after that incident of an armed man in Tallaght leading them on a 7 hour merry dance a couple of weeks ago and now another ongoing incident of a teenager who is also armed them I really have to question how good these guys are.

The armed man in Tallaght managed to evade them for 7 hours last week. 200+ Gardai and a helicopter on a man hunt and it took them seven whole hours during which time he went full Grand Theft Auto and stole six cars as well as assaulting one of the owners. Now you would think that with a manhunt the smart thing to do is to set up checkpoints at all major junctions in the direct area. But not a single checkpoint, instead what you had was 200+ Gardai sprinting like headless chickens from one car theft location to the next and each time they got there they were too late and he out ran them.

And then eventually they did arrest him but not until they got even more egg on their face. Watch this video of the suspect running into Citywest Shopping Centre and when watching see if you can count how many Gardai chase in after him.
https://www.facebook.com/paul.mcauley.96/videos/1583060015107213/?q=citywest%20shopping%20centre%20shooting

My count is 26 Gardai ran in after him. There was definitely more as the camera angle often points to the ground but in the video you can count 26 Gardai running in after him. And what does Mr.No.1 on the Garda Most Wanted list do? He strolls right back out the same front door he came in, somehow having evaded 26 Gardai. This was a man known to Gardai, they have his photo on Pulse, they know what he looks like. Yet he evaded 200+ Gardai for 7 hours and even then in his arrest he tricks a further 26 by hiding behind a door and watching them all leg it in after him. You could not make this stuff up, in fact the only thing missing from that video is the theme tune to Benny Hill.

And now case in point no.2. Right now there is another man hunt underway for a teenager on the loose with a rifle. Last night they shut down the whole of Blanch Shopping Centre when a credible report came that he was inside. They surrounded the whole place in under 6 minutes (credit due here in fairness) but somehow the kid evades them and he is now still on the loose. Like how the hell did that happen? How did a teenager outsmart the ARU and dozens of more Gardai at the scene?

I will tell you what, these two cases involved two armed men who dont actually seem intent on hurting members of the public, despite the fact they are armed. At least neither of them has fired a bullet. But there are serious questions to asked here, if they were lone wolf terrorists then they would have had a field day going on a shooting spree. The only thing that would be stopping them is running out of bullets because these two incidents involving the Armed Response Unit have shown that they are completely at sixes and sevens when it comes to dealing with this type of incident. If terrorism does strike here we are fooked.

Just as a point, the ARU have been around long before the hutch feud.. they’re very well trained and have been doing their job for years...

Yesterday the kid did not evade the guardai he was never there..

Credit is due for how quickly they locked it down

Gerrup Outta Dat!

If we ever are attacked, my bet is that the Orange Order will do it.

Barry Badrinath

Ready? What does anyone mean by "ready"?

If a State is "ready" for an attack, the attacker(s) change their MO, thus negating the readiness. Nobody is ever ready for an attack.

"Are we ready?" Is a simplistic question but the answer is quite complex.

Are specialist Units in AGS trained to cope with ANY and EVERY situation? No. Are they trained enough to deal with a "Lone Wolf" attacker? Yes but with caveats. The big thing is reaction time.

Before planning to counter any threat, it is essential to understand the evolution of the threat. We didnt wake up one day and "Lone Wolf" or marauder attacks were the norm. These were borne from asymetric warfare.

Im not concerned with AGS's ability to react to such a situation. These attacks are planned to do the maximum amount of damage in the minimum amount of time with huge scope for flexibility.

My concern is the medical emergency and triage after an event. Thats were more lives may be lost than just at the attack site.

Odhinn

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Ready? What does anyone mean by "ready"?

If a State is "ready" for an attack, the attacker(s) change their MO, thus negating the readiness. Nobody is ever ready for an attack.

"Are we ready?" Is a simplistic question but the answer is quite complex.

Are specialist Units in AGS trained to cope with ANY and EVERY situation? No. Are they trained enough to deal with a "Lone Wolf" attacker? Yes but with caveats. The big thing is reaction time.

Before planning to counter any threat, it is essential to understand the evolution of the threat. We didnt wake up one day and "Lone Wolf" or marauder attacks were the norm. These were borne from asymetric warfare.

Im not concerned with AGS's ability to react to such a situation. These attacks are planned to do the maximum amount of damage in the minimum amount of time with huge scope for flexibility.

My concern is the medical emergency and triage after an event. Thats were more lives may be lost than just at the attack site.

There is the brutal truth that there really is a minimum to what you can do against self organising loners who are willing to kill whatever persons are to hand.

MonkieSocks

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

If we ever are attacked, my bet is that the Orange Order will do it.

NO....twill be a Farmer from Islambic State

expectationlost

Muahahaha wrote: »

I would say not at all, nowhere near it. The Hutch-Kinahan feud brought about the introduction of the Armed Response Unit last year. These guys are our first line of defence against any terrorist attack which is far more likely now to come from a lone wolf with a gun than any kind of car bomb or similar attack.

You see the Armed Response Unit around the city centre quite a lot, they look the part in their militaristic uniforms and baseball hats and they certainly act the part when they spin though town in their large van with the side doors open like the A-Team and with their guns showing. I used to think great, these guys look like they know what theyre doing. But after that incident of an armed man in Tallaght leading them on a 7 hour merry dance a couple of weeks ago and now another ongoing incident of a teenager who is also armed them I really have to question how good these guys are.

The armed man in Tallaght managed to evade them for 7 hours last week. 200+ Gardai and a helicopter on a man hunt and it took them seven whole hours during which time he went full Grand Theft Auto and stole six cars as well as assaulting one of the owners. Now you would think that with a manhunt the smart thing to do is to set up checkpoints at all major junctions in the direct area. But not a single checkpoint, instead what you had was 200+ Gardai sprinting like headless chickens from one car theft location to the next and each time they got there they were too late and he out ran them.

And then eventually they did arrest him but not until they got even more egg on their face. Watch this video of the suspect running into Citywest Shopping Centre and when watching see if you can count how many Gardai chase in after him.
https://www.facebook.com/paul.mcauley.96/videos/1583060015107213/?q=citywest%20shopping%20centre%20shooting

My count is 26 Gardai ran in after him. There was definitely more as the camera angle often points to the ground but in the video you can count 26 Gardai running in after him. And what does Mr.No.1 on the Garda Most Wanted list do? He strolls right back out the same front door he came in, somehow having evaded 26 Gardai. This was a man known to Gardai, they have his photo on Pulse, they know what he looks like. Yet he evaded 200+ Gardai for 7 hours and even then in his arrest he tricks a further 26 by hiding behind a door and watching them all leg it in after him. You could not make this stuff up, in fact the only thing missing from that video is the theme tune to Benny Hill.

And now case in point no.2. Right now there is another man hunt underway for a teenager on the loose with a rifle. Last night they shut down the whole of Blanch Shopping Centre when a credible report came that he was inside. They surrounded the whole place in under 6 minutes (credit due here in fairness) but somehow the kid evades them and he is now still on the loose. Like how the hell did that happen? How did a teenager outsmart the ARU and dozens of more Gardai at the scene?

I will tell you what, these two cases involved two armed men who dont actually seem intent on hurting members of the public, despite the fact they are armed. At least neither of them has fired a bullet. But there are serious questions to asked here, if they were lone wolf terrorists then they would have had a field day going on a shooting spree. The only thing that would be stopping them is running out of bullets because these two incidents involving the Armed Response Unit have shown that they are completely at sixes and sevens when it comes to dealing with this type of incident. If terrorism does strike here we are fooked.

there a difference between peope who want to be found and those that don't

A Little Pony

I say no it isn't, not by a long shot. But when it happens cue the uproar when the deficiencies get shown up and people roar about why was the response was not adequate enough.

billyhead

bennyl10 wrote: »

Just as a point, the ARU have been around long before the hutch feud.. they’re very well trained and have been doing their job for years...

Yesterday the kid did not evade the guardai he was never there..

Credit is due for how quickly they locked it down

The ARU have not been around that long. I think your mixing them up with the ERU whom are counter terrorism elite unit.

bobbysands81

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yeah, what would we know about terrorism in Ireland?

Yup, we’ve a long history of ignoring state terrorism against Irish citizens.

XsApollo

We have no chance against someone running around with an automatic machine gun or any type of weapon really.
They would have free reign for a good few hours before anybody equipped enough to deal with the situation arrived.

corner of hells

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yeah, what would we know about terrorism in Ireland?

Yup, we’ve a long history of ignoring state terrorism against Irish citizens.

Like the army keeping on eye on the lads in Portlaoise prison.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

XsApollo wrote: »

We have no chance against someone running around with an automatic machine gun or any type of weapon really.
They would have free reign for a good few hours before anybody equipped enough to deal with the situation arrived.

The most dangerous weapon is the ignorance of the public.

SEPT 23 1989

Once the hospitals and funeral homes are well drilled we will be fine

jmayo

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yeah, what would we know about terrorism in Ireland?

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean, we've dealt with terrorism for... what... 50 years? I'm pretty certain we're used to it.

Claiming that twice doesn't make it any more valid or correct.

Yes we have had experience of our own home grown terrorists.
But have you ever noticed the differences ?

Our home grown terrorists were Irish or Irish descent and did not live separate distinct lives in their own little enclaves where an Irish native would stand out like a sore thumb.

How exactly will our very pale, untrained security services infiltrate the communities that would be modern terrorists live in ?

They spoke English and/or Irish, both languages that ordinary people and the security forces understood.
Care to tell us how many Garda speak Arabic, Urdu or the likes ?

Also the modern Middle Eastern inspired terrorists have another big difference from our own home grown lads and laddies, they couldn't give a rats ass if they die in the attacks.
The Irish lads wanted to survive to fight another day, not die to go get some mythical virgins.
The Irish lads were usually a bit more discerning in their choice of victims and how many actual casualties they wanted to create.
They actually cared about public opinion.

But of course to some all terrorists are the same.

Oh and most of the human knowledge gained in the 70s, 80s and early 90s during the height of the Troubles has been lost as people have retired from the security services.

Tabnabs wrote: »

The State can also call on the assets of the Army Ranger Wing to deploy to terrorist situations.

Mind telling us how the ARW get from the Curragh to an attack in say Grafton Street or worse still one at Croke Park, Lansdowne Road ?
Mind telling us long that little trek will take and even if they have helicopters on standby at all times ?
Remember what we found out when R116 went down, the Air Corps didn't have the staff for night duties.

Then remind us How long did it take the guy in Nice to mow down 80 odd people ?
How many more would he have killed if there weren't armed police actually at the scene ?

The 3 knife wielding attackers in London killed 8 people (including four unarmed police officers) and injured 48 people in the space of 15 minutes before they were shot dead.
Looking at the shocking decrepit state of our Garda I would be surprised if they could do better than 30 or 40 minutes.

And when there is a major attack or incident how will our totally overcrowded A&Es cope with a huge influx of people?

We are totally unprepared and yes it is very hard to prepare for some of these attacks because of their very nature, but at least other countries have a police force and military that isn't a complete joke due to mismanagement and under funding.

super_furry

You can't be 'ready' for a terrorist attack especially the likes where someone drives a vehicle into a crowd but I think people are massively underestimating the level of anti-terrorism expertise in this country.

Kermit.de.frog

Does anyone know how many ambulances are active in Dublin at the one time? Last time I read about this i'm fairly certain the number was 4 for the whole 4 local authorities. Not 100% on it but I remember being very surprised by the figure (and worried in terms of a major incident)

FionnK86

jmayo wrote: »

Claiming that twice doesn't make it any more valid or correct.

Yes we have had experience of our own home grown terrorists.
But have you ever noticed the differences ?

Our home grown terrorists were Irish or Irish descent and did not live separate distinct lives in their own little enclaves where an Irish native would stand out like a sore thumb.

How exactly will our very pale, untrained security services infiltrate the communities that would be modern terrorists live in ?

They spoke English and/or Irish, both languages that ordinary people and the security forces understood.
Care to tell us how many Garda speak Arabic, Urdu or the likes ?

Also the modern Middle Eastern inspired terrorists have another big difference from our own home grown lads and laddies, they couldn't give a rats ass if they die in the attacks.
The Irish lads wanted to survive to fight another day, not die to go get some mythical virgins.
The Irish lads were usually a bit more discerning in their choice of victims and how many actual casualties they wanted to create.
They actually cared about public opinion.

But of course to some all terrorists are the same.

Oh and most of the human knowledge gained in the 70s, 80s and early 90s during the height of the Troubles has been lost as people have retired from the security services.



Mind telling us how the ARW get from the Curragh to an attack in say Grafton Street or worse still one at Croke Park, Lansdowne Road ?
Mind telling us long that little trek will take and even if they have helicopters on standby at all times ?
Remember what we found out when R116 went down, the Air Corps didn't have the staff for night duties.

Then remind us How long did it take the guy in Nice to mow down 80 odd people ?
How many more would he have killed if there weren't armed police actually at the scene ?

The 3 knife wielding attackers in London killed 8 people (including four unarmed police officers) and injured 48 people in the space of 15 minutes before they were shot dead.
Looking at the shocking decrepit state of our Garda I would be surprised if they could do better than 30 or 40 minutes.

And when there is a major attack or incident how will our totally overcrowded A&Es cope with a huge influx of people?

We are totally unprepared and yes it is very hard to prepare for some of these attacks because of their very nature, but at least other countries have a police force and military that isn't a complete joke due to mismanagement and under funding.

Money speaks.

Everyone wants a slice of the pie, would rather see healthcare and the nurses get the pay they deserve then pump money into the FCA.

Wailin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mean, we've dealt with terrorism for... what... 50 years? I'm pretty certain we're used to it.

No WE didn't, the Brits did.

SEPT 23 1989

super_furry wrote: »

I think people are massively underestimating the level of anti-terrorism expertise in this country.

Long retired

thomasj

Muahahaha wrote:

Last night they shut down the whole of Blanch Shopping Centre when a credible report came that he was inside. They surrounded the whole place in under 6 minutes (credit due here in fairness) but somehow the kid evades them and he is now still on the loose. Like how the hell did that happen? How did a teenager outsmart the ARU and dozens of more Gardai at the scene?

How do you know the kid was there in the first place? Articles I read today said the tipoff didn't mention whether the spotting had a weapon or not.

Moreso I find it bizarre that in modern social media overdrive this country is in at the moment , noone spotted the lad between Ennis and Dublin or even in the busy carpark.

I'm convinced the kid wasn't there in the first place.

Captain Obvious

Muahahaha wrote: »

The armed man in Tallaght managed to evade them for 7 hours last week. 200+ Gardai and a helicopter on a man hunt and it took them seven whole hours during which time he went full Grand Theft Auto and stole six cars as well as assaulting one of the owners. Now you would think that with a manhunt the smart thing to do is to set up checkpoints at all major junctions in the direct area.

I saw two checkpoints. Were you even in the area?

Muahahaha wrote: »

But not a single checkpoint, instead what you had was 200+ Gardai sprinting like headless chickens from one car theft location to the next and each time they got there they were too late and he out ran them.

200+ gardaí sprinting to each location? I'd like to have seen that. Also, my understanding is that he took four cars in short succession (20 minutes) and then laid low for a few hours before stealing three in the space of thirty minutes. And during the second spree he was caught up with and chased.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1707212/timeline-of-how-tallaght-manhunt-unfolded-as-cops-warn-public-not-to-approach-suspect-they-say-is-armed-and-dangerous/

Muahahaha wrote: »

And then eventually they did arrest him but not until they got even more egg on their face. Watch this video of the suspect running into Citywest Shopping Centre and when watching see if you can count how many Gardai chase in after him.
https://www.facebook.com/paul.mcauley.96/videos/1583060015107213/?q=citywest%20shopping%20centre%20shooting


My count is 26 Gardai ran in after him. There was definitely more as the camera angle often points to the ground but in the video you can count 26 Gardai running in after him. And what does Mr.No.1 on the Garda Most Wanted list do? He strolls right back out the same front door he came in, somehow having evaded 26 Gardai. This was a man known to Gardai, they have his photo on Pulse, they know what he looks like. Yet he evaded 200+ Gardai for 7 hours and even then in his arrest he tricks a further 26 by hiding behind a door and watching them all leg it in after him. You could not make this stuff up, in fact the only thing missing from that video is the theme tune to Benny Hill.

He didn't stroll out. He made a run for it and surrendered when he realised he was surrounded.

Muahahaha wrote: »

You could not make this stuff up

Obviously you can.

Muahahaha wrote: »

And now case in point no.2. Right now there is another man hunt underway for a teenager on the loose with a rifle. Last night they shut down the whole of Blanch Shopping Centre when a credible report came that he was inside. They surrounded the whole place in under 6 minutes (credit due here in fairness) but somehow the kid evades them and he is now still on the loose. Like how the hell did that happen? How did a teenager outsmart the ARU and dozens of more Gardai at the scene?

He wasn't there was he? His last sighting is still been stated as his home.

Captain Obvious

Wailin wrote: »

No WE didn't, the Brits did.

Tell that to the families of the 23 murdered Gardaí

At least 23 serving Gardaí have been killed by individuals or groups associated with the Republican paramilitary groups,[3] this being the most common cause of death apart from accidents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Garda%C3%AD_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

ToddyDoody

Once the damage is done, then we'll be ready.

For example, we'll stockpile the salt the next Winter if a deep freeze occurs this Winter.

Berserker

It's hard to know, in all honesty. Firstly, the irish republican form of terrorism, eg: planting a bomb in a busy shopping centre, is a different beast to the terrorism we are seeing in this day and age and it needs to be managed differently. If, God forbid, some lunatic decided to drive down Grafton street and started to shoot at random people, I'd be concerned about the reaction time of the police here. Would be far happier if all police officers were allowed to have guns. However, I suspect that the upper echelons of the police here and well informed on potential threats by their equivalents in the UK, so they should be in a position to try and prevent an attack.