Wilder v Stiverne, Mcdonald v Solis, Bivol + Chisora

akelly02

what channel is wilder v stiverne on?

walshb

akelly02 wrote: »

what channel is wilder v stiverne on?

Sky Sports Action from 0100 hrs Sunday morning...

akelly02

walshb wrote: »

Sky Sports Action from 0100 hrs Sunday morning...

cheers

Staying up?

walshb

akelly02 wrote: »

cheers

Staying up?

I doubt it. Will record it. I think Wilder does an even better job this time and ends this before 12...

Looking at both Monte Carlo's card and New York's nothing really stands out. That is not to say that there may not be some belters.

Both cards on Sky Sports action!

akelly02

pac_man wrote: »

I think Stiverne could potentially be dangerous for the first round or two but will then become a glorified heavybag that will make Wilder look good.

I think wilder will look good all by himself

Joe Musashi

Interested to see Bivol but his opoponent looks very overmatched. McDonnel-Solis probably the most competitive fight on both cards. Interested in Chisora fight too.
Stiverne is ****e and I don't expect him to win a round. Expect Wilder to win inside the distance; middle rounds is my guess.

Burial.

Stiverne looked in pretty piss poor shape when I saw some training pics. You'd imagine Wilder is a bit enraged with the recent sh*t that has come his way so him being a little more wild than normal could make the fight interesting but I do expect him to get the stoppage.

Buzzing Bivol will get his belt. I've been a huge fan, stan even, with a while. A fight with Gvozdyk a year or so down the line will be one of the matchups of the decade. Shame he's up against a nobody but he said he's already gunning for Sully Barrera and hopefully coaxing Jack into a fight after. With Hearn's money and power he's got a great platform to explode.

Meanwhile WBA have suspended Ortiz for a full year so that's him gone from being Joshua's mandatory. Ustinov-Charr supposedly fighting for mandatory status which is hilarious. Very weird case...although it was pretty obvious he was on some sh*t given his history as well.

Joe Musashi

Stiverne 15 pounds heavier than first fight. :O

walshb

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Stiverne 15 pounds heavier than first fight. :O

He looks the complete opposite of in shape!

Underground

First time I've seen an event at this venue in Monaco. Atmosphere seems terrible.

HigginsJ

Underground wrote: »

First time I've seen an event at this venue in Monaco. Atmosphere seems terrible.

Very odd, always looks like its in a bar/club type setting. I doubt the clientel in Monaco would get too excited over some no marks having a scrap.

Sorry, just seen it is a different venue to what I was thinking

megadodge

It's a high class casino. Monte Carlo has quite a good history for boxing. In the 1980s there was a whole slew of world title fights there featuring boxers from all over the world. This is nothing unusual.

Morrison J

If I'm Oscar Valdez I'm getting the next plane to Manchester and taking that Hearn money to fight Quigg. Straightforward win and sets up a Frampton fight nicely.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

If I'm Oscar Valdez I'm getting the next plane to Manchester and taking that Hearn money to fight Quigg. Straightforward win and sets up a Frampton fight nicely.

Valdez is very beatable.

While Quigg doesn't exactly look like he has improved since his move west, he'll be on Valdez for every second of every round and Valdez has proven he can't fight for 3 minutes a round. Quigg is the worst type of opponent for him.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

Valdez is very beatable.

While Quigg doesn't exactly look like he has improved since his move west, he'll be on Valdez for every second of every round and Valdez has proven he can't fight for 3 minutes a round. Quigg is the worst type of opponent for him.

I think Valdez is very beatable by the elite but that isn't Scott Quigg. Quigg is a solid level below. I'd be very confident Valdez beats him tbh.

Quigg is awfully basic. No jab, poor footwork, no head movement. I'm not convinced he'd be on Valdez for every second once he feels his power either.

Quigg is more Josh Warrington level for me.

normanoffside

Chisora having trouble with his trunks a la Ian Lewison. Never a god sign.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

I think Valdez is very beatable by the elite but that isn't Scott Quigg. Quigg is a solid level below. I'd be very confident Valdez beats him tbh.

Quigg is awfully basic. No jab, poor footwork, no head movement. I'm not convinced he'd be on Valdez for every second once he feels his power either.

Quigg is more Josh Warrington level for me.

Quigg has proven he has a very good chin. I don't see Valdez keeping him off for the whole fight. It just depends how well Valdez defends after scoring some eye-catching punches, because he just can't sustain it. Actually the more I think of it, it's a really good matchup, but chances are Valdez's people won't let it happen.

Joe Musashi

Kabayel clearly outboxing Chisora through 6.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

Quigg has proven he has a very good chin. I don't see Valdez keeping him off for the whole fight. It just depends how well Valdez defends after scoring some eye-catching punches, because he just can't sustain it. Actually the more I think of it, it's a really good matchup, but chances are Valdez's people won't let it happen.

Don't think chins are an issue for either fighter. I do think Valdez is the bigger puncher at 126 though and I don't think Quigg is going to want to be walking into his shots all night like he was tonight. Valdez also has a great jab when he chooses to use it. He can win a couple of ways whereas Quigg is as one dimensional as it gets. Only knows one way to fight.

I'd be very confident he makes relatively straightforward work of Quigg tbh. Hopefully we get to see it.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

Don't think chins are an issue for either fighter. I do think Valdez is the bigger puncher at 126 though and I don't think Quigg is going to want to be walking into his shots all night like he was tonight. Valdez also has a great jab when he chooses to use it. He can win a couple of ways whereas Quigg is as one dimensional as it gets. Only knows one way to fight.

I'd be very confident he makes relatively straightforward work of Quigg tbh. Hopefully we get to see it.

Quigg is one-dimensional, but that one-dimension is exactly what a fighter with stamina issues doesn't want to be facing. I certainly wouldn't be putting any serious money on the outcome.

Morrison J

Kabayel nearly mirroring how Fury fought Chisora. Definitely winning this. Hope a robbery isn't incoming.

Burial.

Chisora is absolutely sh*te.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

Quigg is one-dimensional, but that one-dimension is exactly what a fighter with stamina issues doesn't want to be facing. I certainly wouldn't be putting any serious money on the outcome.

I don't think Valdez stamina issues are anything that major though personally. The way he loads up his shots and puts everything into them I actually think his stamina is pretty good. He just needs to fight smarter early which I'd hope he does now he's learned he isn't getting everyone out of there as easy as before.

I couldn't see Quigg having the power to take him out late even if Valdez was to gas hard. Marriaga couldnt and i'd rate his power at 126 higher than Quiggs.

Joe Musashi

Chisora is so slow and plodding.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

I don't think Valdez stamina issues are anything that major though personally. The way he loads up his shots and puts everything into them I actually think his stamina is pretty good. He just needs to fight smarter early which I'd hope he does now he's learned he isn't getting everyone out of there as easy as before.

I couldn't see Quigg having the power to take him out late even if Valdez was to gas hard. Marriaga couldnt and i'd rate his power at 126 higher than Quiggs.

Marriaga had him in bother a number of times and the knockdown saved Valdez from probably being on the end of a 10-8 round himself. Marriaga was all over him before that and ended the round on top again.

Quigg is relentless and hugely strong physically and I don't think Valdez copes well with that style.

Burial.

Questionable cards. Chisora sounded like a guy out of ambition and hunger in the interview. Could be fed to Dubois next year.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

Marriaga had him in bother a number of times and the knockdown saved Valdez from probably being on the end of a 10-8 round himself. Marriaga was all over him before that and ended the round on top again.

Quigg is relentless and hugely strong physically and I don't think Valdez copes well with that style.

I still had Valdez winning pretty clear myself.

I get what your saying about the styles but theres levels too. Quigg loses to Mariagga imo let alone lose very wide to Valdez. Valdez dealt with Marriaga, he'd only be more prepared and capable of beating with Quigg even easier.

Morrison J

Joe Joyce would box the ears off of Chisora. Be a good third fight for him.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

Joe Joyce would box the ears off of Chisora. Be a good third fight for him.

Jesus, Joe Joyce will never box the ears of anyone! Assuming his chin is good he could outwork Chisora, but if he's as easy to hit as I suspect, it would be an interesting fight to see how Joyce copes with being hit regularly.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

Jesus, Joe Joyce will never box the ears of anyone! Assuming his chin is good he could outwork Chisora, but if he's as easy to hit as I suspect, it would be an interesting fight to see how Joyce copes with being hit regularly.

Nah, Chisora struggles against movers. Joyce would stick on the outside all night and pick up rounds quite comfortably I think. I actually think Joyce probably beats any British heavyweight not called Joshua or Fury. Competition isn't great though no doubt.

Burial.

Buffer butchering the French accent worse than I did in my leaving cert oral...

Small dosh on Bivol in rounds 4-6.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

Nah, Chisora struggles against movers. Joyce would stick on the outside all night and pick up rounds quite comfortably I think. I actually think Joyce probably beats any British heavyweight not called Joshua or Fury. Competition isn't great though no doubt.

I'm really not sure you've seen Joyce box! Stick and move is about the last style in the world I would ever expect Joyce to employ. He's not called 'the juggernaut' for nothing. It's just plow straight ahead.

megadodge

What achievements did Bivol have as an amateur?

megadodge

Wow, I see what the fuss is about!

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

I'm really not sure you've seen Joyce box! Stick and move is about the last style in the world I would ever expect Joyce to employ. He's not called 'the juggernaut' for nothing. It's just plow straight ahead.

Christ, he's not that one dimensional. He's got one of the best jabs out of all the British heavys imo. When Salas got him to work behind the jab against Lewison he was basically cruising. Against a plodder like Chisora that's how he makes it easy.

Burial.

Underrated my boy. Lovely shot.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

Christ, he's not that one dimensional. He's got one of the best jabs out of all the British heavys imo. When Salas got him to work behind the jab against Lewison he was basically cruising. Against a plodder like Chisora that's how he makes it easy.

You sure do see things differently. You talk about Quigg being one-dimensional and then try to champion Joe Joyce as NOT being one-dimensional.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

You sure do see things differently. You talk about Quigg being one-dimensional and then try to champion Joe Joyce as NOT being one-dimensional.

Rewatch the Lewison fight so. There are times where Joyce circles the ring and lands scoring punches behind his jab for extended periods. Please show me where Scott Quigg has ever done this. Quigg fights with zero brain.

I know Joyce is in his thirties but if Salas can beat it into him to utilise that jab better with more consistency he can win fights with a lot more ease in my opinion.

Proven at this point that you beat Chisora using your legs more than anything. I think Joyce can do that. Definitely has the stamina and jab for the job anyway.

walshb

Valdez hasn’t overly impressed me, but I think he may be a bit too varied to beat Quigg. Quigg is just not that good..

akelly02

Around what time wilder be at?

Morrison J

akelly02 wrote: »

Around what time wilder be at?

Approx 3am apparently.

akelly02

Wilder devastating

Burial.

Some performance from Wilder. Granted Stiverne was in horrible shape Wilder looks to have better hand speed and his jab was bloody fine as well. He's hilarious he's so unpredictable. Beating his chest and then going berserk was class.

Auroras_encore

Brutal boxer wilder but has power, Joshua will take him apart and when is wilder going to get dq'd for constantly hitting opponents on the ground

Joe Musashi

Wilder harpooned that whale! Probably end with another meh fight next against Brezeale. Can thank uncle Al for that.

The man in red and black

Am I missing something here or is Wilder ridiculously light for his height as a HW? He's 6'7" but only weight in at 15st 10lbs or something, that's a fairly normal weight for someone so tall even if they weren't trying to pack on muscle. Even Tony Bellew was nearly that weight fighting Haye and he's substantially shorter. Some contrast to the likes of Joshua, (previously) the Klitschko's weighing in at 18st approx?

Burial.

He is relatively skinny for his overall size. He looks very long. His legs are tiny as well, like a man who never does squats. It's actually pretty weird that he has such ridiculous power given his average technique and him not being built like a complete sh*thouse.

The man in red and black

pac_man wrote: »

I think like alot of professional heavyweights, they're caught between two weights, too big for cruiser but giving away loads of weight at heavy. In Wilders case, he boxed at heavyweight(not superheavy) in the amateurs + Olympics and generally people who box at that weight go onto Cruiser in the pros. I think for someone like Wilder, that relies on speed and movement, I would imagine it would be counter productive for him to weigh north of 230lbs.

Fair point! I was just shocked when I saw the weight for his fight last night. I was thinking I'm not far off of that myself at 6'4" and I wouldn't be in any way massive, play a bit of Junior hurling that's about it! You'd wonder how would Wilder cope with someone big and heavy like Joshua or Fury if they were to hold and lean in the clinches?

Looking forward to seeing what 2018 brings in terms of Parker, Fury, Joshua, Wilder!

walshb

Auroras_encore wrote: »

Brutal boxer wilder but has power, Joshua will take him apart and when is wilder going to get dq'd for constantly hitting opponents on the ground

Brutal based off Saturday's display?

That's way too harsh and way too simplistic...

Wilder can box. He has shown this...

Sweet Science

Say it aint so . I may be getting on this Wilder hype train

selectamatic

Sweet Science wrote: »

Say it aint so . I may be getting on this Wilder hype train

Rewatch his fight with Eric Molina that should bring you back down to earth

That said I really enjoy watching wilder and if they keep hyping it up a late 2018 fight with Joshua will be a huge spectacle. one which the hw division has been crying out for these past few years.