Wanli Chinese tyres - TUV certified

JJJJNR

Anyone notice that wanli's tyres are now TUV certified, surely that makes them a middle range bargain now @ 50 euro a corner. Has anyone been running them, they are certified since last feb 16, any feedback much appreciated as I've just bought two.

Is there better new tyres out there for 50 euro's a corner. ? The ones I'm looking at are winters - Wanli SW211 215/60 R16 99 H XL C rated in rain and C rated in fuel efficiency. At that price I could change all my tyres at 4 or 5 mm. Its a very interesting cost development for running a car, makes no sense now buying dangerous or old part worn tyres, in my opinion.

bazz26

I'm waiting for the experts to come along now and tell us tyres are all the same.

ION08

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm waiting for the experts to come along now and tell us tyres are all the same.

The experts at TUV just did .. Sehr Gut!

colm_mcm

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm waiting for the experts to come along now and tell us tyres are all the same.

I think he's banned?

Eric Cartman

JJJJNR wrote: »

Anyone notice that wanli's tyres are now TUV certified, surely that makes them a middle range bargain now @ 50 euro a corner. Has anyone been running them, they are certified since last feb 16, any feedback much appreciated as I've just bought two.

Is there better new tyres out there for 50 euro's a corner. ? The ones I'm looking at are winters - Wanli SW211 215/60 R16 99 H XL C rated in rain and C rated in fuel efficiency. At that price I could change all my tyres at 4 or 5 mm. Its a very interesting cost development for running a car, makes no sense now buying dangerous or old part worn tyres, in my opinion.

you can TUV certify a tyre brand all you like. I'll still gladly pay for the people who have innovated and designed tyres since the turn of the century and set the gold standard.

When Wanli start innovating new designs for F1 or get contracted by a high end car manufacturer then ill take a look.

pablo128

JJJJNR wrote: »

Anyone notice that wanli's tyres are now TUV certified, surely that makes them a middle range bargain now @ 50 euro a corner. Has anyone been running them, they are certified since last feb 16, any feedback much appreciated as I've just bought two.

Is there better new tyres out there for 50 euro's a corner. ? The ones I'm looking at are winters - Wanli SW211 215/60 R16 99 H XL C rated in rain and C rated in fuel efficiency. At that price I could change all my tyres at 4 or 5 mm. Its a very interesting cost development for running a car, makes no sense now buying dangerous or old part worn tyres, in my opinion.

Where are you getting them for 50 a tyre?

colm_mcm

There's a number of problems with tyre discussions in general.

Tyre manufacturers make a lot of different models of tyres, with varying degrees of characteristics. People tend to say stuff like" I had Michelins and they were great, don't buy Pirellis because they're not great in the wet"

There will come a time when companies like Triangle develop better tyres to OE standards and will become an OE manufacturer for Western cars, but that won't mean that all Triangle models of tyre will be to that same standard. The cheapest ones certainly won't be, but who actually notices model numbers of tyres, most just go on brand.

Personally, I tend to go for big name companies, and for the most part I've done well doing that, but there will come a time when budget Chinese manufacturers will do decent tyres. But the problem is it's not like buying a pair of jeans in Dunnes, you can't bring them back if you don't like them, and as long as they reach minimum standards they are fit for purpose.

kerten

In addition to what Colm already said,

If you have a low risk driving pattern(driving slow, doing school runs only, no N/M roads, less pressure to drive when weather is bad etc), you may never experience hitting the safety limits of a low quality tyre in long time.

After a while, all the tyres are same and why pay for more thought sinks in.

This will be fine until to the moment where you need to do an emergency stopping or maneuver for the unexpected. That may also not happen at all in your all life but if it happens you would love to have the tyres with grip to stay on road or stop 1 meter shorter.

That said, I never saw people end up in such accidents with crap tyres blaming themselves for their own decision. They just blame road, ditch, other driver, weather, etc or say "I don't understand what happened, car just slided"

fancy pigeon

colm_mcm wrote: »

There's a number of problems with tyre discussions in general.

Tyre manufacturers make a lot of different models of tyres, with varying degrees of characteristics. People tend to say stuff like" I had Michelins and they were great, don't buy Pirellis because they're not great in the wet"

There will come a time when companies like Triangle develop better tyres to OE standards and will become an OE manufacturer for Western cars, but that won't mean that all Triangle models of tyre will be to that same standard. The cheapest ones certainly won't be, but who actually notices model numbers of tyres, most just go on brand.

Personally, I tend to go for big name companies, and for the most part I've done well doing that, but there will come a time when budget Chinese manufacturers will do decent tyres. But the problem is it's not like buying a pair of jeans in Dunnes, you can't bring them back if you don't like them, and as long as they reach minimum standards they are fit for purpose.

Wholeheartedly agree with this, Chinese manufacturers are quite hit and miss at the moment.

I bought a set of Imperials for my Merc (225/40 R18) based off the ratings on the label and was very impressed with them. Quiet, grips well in the wet let alone the dry, no tram lining/swaying on straight roads and wore down well. These were €51 a tyre (at the time 2nd cheapest on Oponeo) and were significantly cheaper than the next tyre with the same rating. Did the same with a set of Duraturns, these weren't as good (similar price, similar rating) however they never lost grip in the wet either. For a smidge over €200 I was very happy with the performance overall

Triangles and Austones at the moment on the Avensis and whilst they aren't great overall they are a huge improvement on what was available a few years ago. When they wear out I'll more than likely chance my arm with budget labels again

VeVeX

Wanli are ditch-finders, a TUV cert changes nothing. You can essentially pay TUV to certify anything if you have the cash.

Some budget tyre manufacturers/distributors are using TUV certification as a revenue generating sales tool.

Investigations are ongoing at EU and Irish government level regarding budget tyre manufacturers, primarily the Chinese providing incorrect and misleading tyre label grading on tyres. See - http://www.mstyr15.eu/index.php/en/

colm_mcm

Self governance on performance ratings is bizzare.

VeVeX

colm_mcm wrote: »

Self governance on performance ratings is bizzare.

It’s ludicrous, there was absolutely no foresight when the regulations were devised. If the Chinese will copy an entire car without fear of repercussions, they're not going to lose any sleep over a couple of characters on a tyre label.

JJJJNR

VeVeX wrote: »

Wanli are ditch-finders, a TUV cert changes nothing. You can essentially pay TUV to certify anything if you have the cash.

Some budget tyre manufacturers/distributors are using TUV certification as a revenue generating sales tool.

Investigations are ongoing at EU and Irish government level regarding budget tyre manufacturers, primarily the Chinese providing incorrect and misleading tyre label grading on tyres. See - http://www.mstyr15.eu/index.php/en/

I would have to see proof of that as its essentially fraud, as TUV is a German standard, I don't see a gain for Germany so why would TUV certify Chinese tyres without legitimate grounds and loose their reputation, they have been in operation since the 1800s.

The MSTyr15 programme is ensuring new tyre companies and ones that dont hit the standard are found out and banned, Wanli look to have upped their game with this in mind, so I have no doubt they have improved the tyres over the past few years and am confident enough with TUVs testing to trust them.

VeVeX

JJJJNR wrote: »

I would have to see proof of that as its essentially fraud, as TUV is a German standard, I don't see a gain for Germany so why would TUV certify Chinese tyres without legitimate grounds and loose their reputation, they have been in operation since the 1800s.

The MSTyr15 programme is ensuring new tyre companies and ones that dont hit the standard are found out and banned, Wanli look to have upped their game with this in mind, so I have no doubt they have improved the tyres over the past few years and am confident enough with TUVs testing to trust them.

I’m not questioning TUV in the slightest. They certified that Wanli tyres meet the minimum requirements of ECE R117.02. and they do.

I’ve driven on a number of different Wanli tyres and I can tell you from practical first hand experience I would not want to be in a car with them fitted if I had to stop in a hurry in the wet despite their alleged EU tyre label rating.

professore

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you can TUV certify a tyre brand all you like. I'll still gladly pay for the people who have innovated and designed tyres since the turn of the century and set the gold standard.

When Wanli start innovating new designs for F1 or get contracted by a high end car manufacturer then ill take a look.

Last time I checked I wasn't driving my '05 Focus around Brands Hatch.

JJJJNR

VeVeX wrote: »

I’m not questioning TUV in the slightest. They certified that Wanli tyres meet the minimum requirements of ECE R117.02. and they do.

I’ve driven on a number of different Wanli tyres and I can tell you from practical first hand experience I would not want to be in a car with them fitted if I had to stop in a hurry in the wet despite their alleged EU tyre label rating.

Well that was then, the models they produce to meet TUV are specific. Yet don't have a price increase which is why I'm highly interested in them. Also it's not an EU rating it's a testing standard like NCAP.

khaldrogo

JJJJNR wrote:

Is there better new tyres out there for 50 euro's a corner. ? The ones I'm looking at are winters - Wanli SW211 215/60 R16 99 H XL C rated in rain and C rated in fuel efficiency. At that price I could change all my tyres at 4 or 5 mm. Its a very interesting cost development for running a car, makes no sense now buying dangerous or old part worn tyres, in my opinion.

There is no standard for the ratings. Chinese brands tend to give themselves a higher rating than they deserve. I've seen some no name Chinese tyre that was a AA+ and the rubber on the tyre was as hard as plastic.

Big name brands tend to be more realistic with their ratings

VeVeX

JJJJNR wrote: »

Well that was then, the models they produce to meet TUV are specific. Yet don't have a price increase which is why I'm highly interested in them. Also it's not an EU rating it's a testing standard like NCAP.

TUV certified that the tyres presented by Wanli conformed to the minimum standard outlined in the ECE R117.02 regulations.

I think you're assuming TUV have certified that the tyres are good?

Ive driven on Wanli tyres very recently by the way and other TUV approved budget tyres such as these - https://www.davanti-tyres.com/news/news_story/davanti-tyres-secures-prestigious-t%C3%BCv-s%C3%BCd-stamp-of-approval . These tyres are also very poor in the wet .

DaveyDave

Ratings are all well and good but when a tyre that meets standards fails to stop you or loses grip, it all goes out the window. I don't understand why people cheap out on tyres.

It's not just about the money you spend, we live in a predominantly wet country and if you are using one set all year round it would want to have a good wet rating.

grogi

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm waiting for the experts to come along now and tell us tyres are all the same.

It is a piece of rubber in a circular shape. What different can be about that?!

pablo128

grogi wrote: »

It is a piece of rubber in a circular shape. What different can be about that?!

Would you put a Yaris tyre on a formula 1 car?

R.O.R

grogi wrote: »

It is a piece of rubber in a circular shape. What different can be about that?!

Sure, a Perodua Nippa and a Bugatti Veyron are both cars with 4 wheels and an engine, what's the real difference between them?


Wanli are certified by Rheinland T, the same T company (and there's more than one) held liable in France for certifyinf the production process of implants that ruptured. Bit of a boob there.....

bazz26

grogi wrote: »

It is a piece of rubber in a circular shape. What different can be about that?!

Hopefully I'm not giving you too much credit here by just assuming you are being sarcastic.

JJJJNR

R.O.R wrote: »

Sure, a Perodua Nippa and a Bugatti Veyron are both cars with 4 wheels and an engine, what's the real difference between them?


Wanli are certified by Rheinland T, the same T company (and there's more than one) held liable in France for certifyinf the production process of implants that ruptured. Bit of a boob there.....

Interesting link here about it, but that decision was reversed and the compensation had to be paid back.

Touchy subject though.

https://m.tuv.com/en_1/corporate/about_us_1/press/news_2/newscontent_cw_326476.html

grogi

pablo128 wrote: »

Would you put a Yaris tyre on a formula 1 car?

Irrelevant question. The rim has different diameter, it simply won't fit.

The Rape of Lucretia

grogi wrote: »

Irrelevant question. The rim has different diameter, it simply won't fit.

Not necessarily. Depends on the year and model of the Yaris. Some Yaris did have a 13" rim too.

Ubbquittious

Does anyone know why in the bejaysus tyres suddenly become "corners" when speaking about buying them?

You'd never hear someone saying "One of my corners burst there on the way home, lucky for me the corner shop sells them for only €50"

selectamatic

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not necessarily. Depends on the year and model of the Yaris. Some Yaris did have a 13" rim too.

And shur we'll stretch them on with a shot of lynx and a lighter.

Be some job hey and I'll tell ya something for nothing we'd not see a set of triangles delaminating after a few laps serious lasting in them :P

grogi

bazz26 wrote: »

Hopefully I'm not giving you too much credit here by just assuming you are being sarcastic.

I absolutely am not. The winter/summer tyre mambo-jumbo is only marketing crap as well. The industry, which is (coincidentally) owned by only a few big companies, just want us to keep buying most expensive products. And the easiest way to achieve that is to convenience the motorist that more expensive is better. I have never seen any convincing evidence that a better tyre ever prevented an incident.

If it wasn't for the government money making factory called NCT, I would keep driving on the same tyres for years saving a lot of money! But hey - they teamed up with the tyre industry (and a few others - bulb making industry is not crystal clear too) to extract from us...

The Rape of Lucretia

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Does anyone know why in the bejaysus tyres suddenly become "corners" when speaking about buying them?

You'd never hear someone saying "One of my corners burst there on the way home, lucky for me the corner shop sells them for only €50"

Its sort of a secret handshake thing among the initiated who overspend on the premium brands. Makes them feel as if they know what they are talking about.

bladespin

colm_mcm wrote:

and as long as they reach minimum standards they are fit for purpose.

Essentially this, the stamp only says these tyres meet the minimum standard, nothing more.

Cookie_Monster

pablo128 wrote: »

Would you put a Yaris tyre on a formula 1 car?

they'd be more durable!
F1 tyres are designed to be rubbish though, don't forget.

pablo128

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

they'd be more durable!
F1 tyres are designed to be rubbish though, don't forget.

No no no grogi says they're all the same!:P

James Bond Junior

I had a transit van with austone tyres fitted. It spun the front wheels in 3rd in the wet on normal acceleration. Dont tell me these chinese tyres are just the same as the big name rivals.

Del2005

grogi wrote: »

I have never seen any convincing evidence that a better tyre ever prevented an incident.

I've posted before that a set of cheap tyres were fitted to my car. The car spun up and slipped a bit when I was taking off to turn left, in a residential area so I was not pushing . I replaced the tyres the next day and never got wheel spin again, unless I wanted to.

grogi

I can only conclude that the Internet forum is indeed anonymous...

Eric Cartman

professore wrote: »

Last time I checked I wasn't driving my '05 Focus around Brands Hatch.

On wanli's even going round the walkinstown roundabout might get you an entry to the drift car championships

Dartz

JJJJNR wrote: »

Anyone notice that wanli's tyres are now TUV certified, surely that makes them a middle range bargain now @ 50 euro a corner. Has anyone been running them, they are certified since last feb 16, any feedback much appreciated as I've just bought two.

Is there better new tyres out there for 50 euro's a corner. ? The ones I'm looking at are winters - Wanli SW211 215/60 R16 99 H XL C rated in rain and C rated in fuel efficiency. At that price I could change all my tyres at 4 or 5 mm. Its a very interesting cost development for running a car, makes no sense now buying dangerous or old part worn tyres, in my opinion.

I've seen forged TuV certs before. Check the cert number.

Also might not mean anything. Could be TuV certified for holiding down that black plastic stuff that farmers hide their EU subsidies under.

Or, yes, this tyre won't explode at 160kph. We don't care how well it grips.

Charles Babbage

The usual tyre thread.
Almost any tyre will allow you go, which is 99.99% of the time, but the other 0.01% spent stopping is more important.
Not everyone drives in Brands Hatch, but many of us drive in housing estates with children, on country roads with blind junctions, on motorways where gob****es cut in.

fancy pigeon

This debate is just going round in circles at this stage, would some people ever get a grip, gets very tyre-ing treading through all this!

Charles Babbage

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The usual tyre thread.
Almost any tyre will allow you go, which is 99.99% of the time, but the other 0.01% spent stopping is more important.
Not everyone drives in Brands Hatch, but many of us drive in housing estates with children, on country roads with blind junctions, on motorways where gob****es cut in.

LIGHTNING wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I think he's saying get good tyres as the 0.01% of the time (when you have to stop quickly) is very important.

James Bond Junior

I have said if before in previous tyre debates. Buy the best shoes, mattress and tyres you can afford because at given time you're using one of them.

Eric Cartman

fancy pigeon wrote: »

This debate is just going round in circles at this stage, would some people ever get a grip, gets very tyre-ing treading through all this!

tread lightly with those sort of comments, I've my sipes set on you now.

reubenreuben

I had a set of wanlis a few years back. They lasted ages, would not wear down and were ditch finders. Couldn't wait to replace them.
Grip in wet was very low.

GerryDerpy

People that don’t understand the value in premium tyres are clearly a bit dim.

colm_mcm

Plenty of non premium tyre brands out there that do good tyres. Then again, premium is a pretty loose term and could encapsulate all the established mid range brands depending on where you’re coming from

JJJJNR

ran these wanli tyres for 6 months until car was sold, and they were great. Putting 4 new ones on the car now and expect the same performance great tyres for the price.

Out of curiosity what car are they going on?

blackbox

When I bought my MR2 it had new Infinity tyres on the front. They were OK in the dry but very poor in the wet. I couldn't drive with any confidence in the wet.

I sold them for 25 each and replaced them with Continentals. They were dear but well worth it as car was transformed.

koutoubia

My Quattro came with Wankli's on the rear. After the first few really wet days they were removed with buckets of thread left.
Even on the rear wheels I could feel them struggling.
Switched them to nokians and its a different story.

JC01

JJJJNR wrote: »

ran these wanli tyres for 6 months until car was sold, and they were great. Putting 4 new ones on the car now and expect the same performance great tyres for the price.

Have you ever driven a car on top quality tyres?