Why is indicator usage not enforced?

CyberGhost

I noticed so many people either not using indicators or using them incorrectly, especially at roundabouts. The roundabout usage really irks me, because somebody is indicating that they're about to turn, you stop to let them through and they exit instead.

I think not using indicators shows complete lack of consideration for others on the road, I wish it was enforced more strictly.

McCrack

I give them limited regard particularly at roundabouts

I will never pull out on the presumption someone is going to turn where their indicator is flashing to

Donal55

CyberGhost wrote: »

I noticed so many people either not using indicators or using them incorrectly, especially at roundabouts. The roundabout usage really irks me, because somebody is indicating that they're about turn, you stop to let them through and they exit instead.

I think not using indicators shows complete lack of consideration for others on the road, I wish it was enforced more strictly.

Gardai are probably too busy sitting in the back of vans collecting speeding tickets.

tuxy

I've noticed the traffic corps usually do not use their indicators. Is there actually a law that requires you to use them?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Probably because if it were enforced, ie Gardai driving around watching people to ensure they’re using them correctly and fining or cautioning them if they’re not you and others would be on here complaining and asking why they’re not doing other more worthwhile jobs like catching serious criminals or drunk drivers.

This country is so full to the brim of idiot drivers, that there would need to be a 1000000% increase in garda numbers to try and enforce the traffic regulations.

CeilingFly

A decent publicity campaign telling people that "indicators are there to indicate to other motorists as to what you intend to do when there are options open to you"

I never understand why people indicate because they are going on to a roundabout - like as if they could possibly be going to rocket up to the sky.

So don't indicate the obvious.

ted1

CeilingFly wrote: »

A decent publicity campaign telling people that "indicators are there to indicate to other motorists as to what you intend to do when there are options open to you"

I never understand why people indicate because they are going on to a roundabout - like as if they could possibly be going to rocket up to the sky.

So don't indicate the obvious.

You are meant to indicate right turning onto a roundabout if going past 12:00

Dravokivich

ted1 wrote: »

You are meant to indicate right turning onto a roundabout if going past 12:00

Also indicate if taking the first exit

GhostyMcGhost

McCrack wrote: »

I give them limited regard particularly at roundabouts

I will never pull out on the presumption someone is going to turn where their indicator is flashing to

The only thing I can and do is beep at such idiots

I just can't continue letting them off, to carry on in their bubble. Maybe a beep might wake their sleepy heads up

CiniO

CyberGhost wrote: »

I noticed so many people either not using indicators or using them incorrectly, especially at roundabouts. The roundabout usage really irks me, because somebody is indicating that they're about turn, you stop to let them through and they exit instead.

I think not using indicators shows complete lack of consideration for others on the road, I wish it was enforced more strictly.

Indicator usage is not enforced in Ireland, for exact the same reason why correct usage of lights is not enforced, as well as correct lane discipline is not enforced, as well as drink driving is not enforced, or driving without NCT, tax, insurance, unlicenced, etc....

However reason being the same for everything, I don't know what this reason is.

frozenfrozen

Using indicators actually requires you to pay attention to what you're doing while driving

McCrack

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

The only thing I can and do is beep at such idiots

I just can't continue letting them off, to carry on in their bubble. Maybe a beep might wake their sleepy heads up

Meh, just get to where you need to go safely

CeilingFly

ted1 wrote: »

You are meant to indicate right turning onto a roundabout if going past 12:00

Yes, but many indicate because they are going onto a roundabout instead of indicating what you intend to do on the roundabout as in your example.

Rubberchikken

I when pulling out of junctions or at roundabouts I'd never trust someone's indicatir.
The Gardai would be better employed dealing with speeding etc. Worrying about idiots not indicating is way down the list imo.

CiniO

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I when pulling out of junctions or at roundabouts I'd never trust someone's indicatir.
The Gardai would be better employed dealing with speeding etc. Worrying about idiots not indicating is way down the list imo.

Why?
Why is dealing with speeding more important than dealing with idiots not indicating?

9or10

Donal55 wrote: »

Gardai are probably too busy sitting in the back of vans collecting speeding tickets.

There was an AMA by a former Gard. He said (and I paraphrase) that when everyone starts they have there pet thing that they are going to put right. For him it was indicator usage. So he issued a load of tickets for no one to do anything with and to be told not to waste people's time.

In short the system grinds them down after a short while.

CeilingFly

CiniO wrote: »

Why?
Why is dealing with speeding more important than dealing with idiots not indicating?

Because it has been proven that excessive speed is a major cause of crashes resulting in death and injury

elperello

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I when pulling out of junctions or at roundabouts I'd never trust someone's indicatir.
The Gardai would be better employed dealing with speeding etc. Worrying about idiots not indicating is way down the list imo.

I agree, drive defensively.

Lostphrophet

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I when pulling out of junctions or at roundabouts I'd never trust someone's indicatir.
The Gardai would be better employed dealing with speeding etc. Worrying about idiots not indicating is way down the list imo.

Quick Question Rubber: If I was to pull out at a junction while car coming was indicating to turn into my road. Say if i pulled out and he kept going straight and NOT take the turn and t boned me. Who would be at fault?

CiniO

CeilingFly wrote: »

Because it has been proven that excessive speed is a major cause of crashes resulting in death and injury

Proven by who and when?
Never heard of it.

893bet

Lostphrophet wrote: »

Quick Question Rubber: If I was to pull out at a junction while car coming was indicating to turn into my road. Say if i pulled out and he kept going straight and NOT take the turn and t boned me. Who would be at fault?

You. He has the right of way.

Lostphrophet

893bet wrote: »

You. He has the right of way.

Ohh i never knew that ! iassumed if the car was signalling to turn and he didnt he would be at least partially at fault for displaying wrong signal:eek:

i wont be taking that chance again:cool:

dmc17

Indicators are pointless. They may as well just remove them from vehicles. Most people don't know how to use them, a lot of people don't bother using them and some just use them as a confirmation signal for something they are after doing

OldMrBrennan83

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Lantus

Lostphrophet wrote:

Ohh i never knew that ! iassumed if the car was signalling to turn and he didnt he would be at least partially at fault for displaying wrong signal

Indicators are only an intent to turn. Pulling out in front of a car at a junction is failing to give way. Had a mate that this happened to and the car that pulled out was found to be at fault.

Never assume an indicator means anything. It's just a blinking light. Nearly every day you see someone driving along with one on all the time.

CiniO

Lantus wrote: »

Indicators are only an intent to turn. Pulling out in front of a car at a junction is failing to give way. Had a mate that this happened to and the car that pulled out was found to be at fault.

Never assume an indicator means anything. It's just a blinking light. Nearly every day you see someone driving along with one on all the time.

In Ireland probably true.

But in many countries if you put indicator, fail to turn, and crash into someone pulling from side road who thought you were turning, you're going to be at fault of an accident.

Charles Babbage

Enforcement would be on the "broken window" principle. Create an orderly environment on the road and all driving will improve. Also if you stop some people for not indicating then some of these would be drunk, drugged, L drivers, not insured etc. Lawbreaking is correlated and this practice of totally ignoring offences is counter productive.

DaveyDave

This is really pissing me off lately. Roundabout into my estate, very few indicate so I pull out then I see them approaching at the side. Pull out because there's no indicator but you only know they're turning after you're already out in front of them. And I assume I'd be at fault in that bollocks if they crashed into me...

That and the fact every **** is pulling out in front of me going right on a roundabout lately, road rage is starting to creep back in.

The only person who indicated lately was the taxi driver who went from the left lane into the right lane while on the roundabout and cut me off in the process. Hand gestured at me as I passed so I'll be reporting that wonderful person.

penno

Lostphrophet wrote: »

Quick Question Rubber: If I was to pull out at a junction while car coming was indicating to turn into my road. Say if i pulled out and he kept going straight and NOT take the turn and t boned me. Who would be at fault?

That's not the point!
you are ready to pull out onto the road and a car is in the distance intending to turn left onto your same road, as they approach they indicate and slow down to make that turn, you then move out as indicator and reduced speed is your signal to do so.
It is common courtesy and thankfully most drivers still have it.
Some considerate drivers in this scenario will even indicate very early on and drop speed the moment they see you try to join a main road so you can be turned and on your way before they do their left turn, they hold back the cars behind them and hope the someone will return the favor in due course.

jaxxx

I'm driving nearly 10 years now without incident, touch wood. And I put that down to adopting one very simple philosophy when behind the wheel: always assume they're gonna do wrong.

El Horseboxo

I'm pretty sure some cars don't come with indicators these days. Just fog lights. Which need to be in all conditions except actual fog.

RicketyCricket

jaxxx wrote: »

I'm driving nearly 10 years now without incident, touch wood. And I put that down to adopting one very simple philosophy when behind the wheel: always assume they're gonna do wrong.

This. I live in Galway where most people don't use indicators and the ones that do use them, use them the wrong way. Don't get me started on the way they use roundabouts here. Good grief!

jaxxx

RicketyCricket wrote: »

This. I live in Galway where most people don't use indicators and the ones that do use them, use them the wrong way. Don't get me started on the way they use roundabouts here. Good grief!

Oh don't talk to me about roundabouts... it's my #1 peeve when it comes to any and all things driving. I was driving home a few days ago, came to my own roundabout, taking 3 o'clock exit and f***ing donkey in left lane actually cuts me off as I'm entering 3 o'clock exit...

My second philosophy when it comes to driving: "It's not speed that causes accidents, it's stupidity. Speed is merely a bi-product of it".

penno

How is it that the nicest, most considerate people can get into their cars and once behind the wheel simply change, they become maniac drivers who spend all their journey up your arse bullying you into driving faster. and when they are at roundabouts they take pleasure in the fact you're not a mind reader so have to sit patiently and wait for them to decide what exit they decide to take. D**kheads.

bladespin

Not sure there is a lwa on indication, I know if you pull out you do so at your own risk as an indicator is only a signal of intent.
That said it's hard to pin point in many cases say a driveway just past a junction, how can you ever be sure the driver in lane is actually signalling a turn at the junction rather than the drive? I'd guesd it'd be impossible to enforce a law due to thus.
That said I never assume while driving, a lesson learnt from years on a motorbike.

Autochange

I drove the motorway yesterday from Dublin to Galway. I only used my indicator 3 times. On to the motorway in Dublin, at the junction on to the Galway signed motorway and when I arrived in Galway. I did however use my lights and horn numerous times to move slow drivers out of the overtaking lane which i stayed in the whole journey at an average of 160 km per hour.

RandomAccess

Drive Dublin to Cork today, the traffic was very heavy till Kildare. I did remark on how many drivers were changing Lane with no signal. It's super dangerous and sometimes looks like driver is asleep/distracted.

penno

Autochange wrote: »

I drove the motorway yesterday from Dublin to Galway. I only used my indicator 3 times. On to the motorway in Dublin, at the junction on to the Galway signed motorway and when I arrived in Galway. I did however use my lights and horn numerous times to move slow drivers out of the overtaking lane which i stayed in the whole journey at an average of 160 km per hour.

I didn't know the limit was 160km. Maybe us slow 120km drivers should all drive like this and not just the select few road owners.

RicketyCricket

Autochange wrote: »

I drove the motorway yesterday from Dublin to Galway. I only used my indicator 3 times. On to the motorway in Dublin, at the junction on to the Galway signed motorway and when I arrived in Galway. I did however use my lights and horn numerous times to move slow drivers out of the overtaking lane which i stayed in the whole journey at an average of 160 km per hour.

Ha!

CiniO

Autochange wrote: »

I drove the motorway yesterday from Dublin to Galway. I only used my indicator 3 times. On to the motorway in Dublin, at the junction on to the Galway signed motorway and when I arrived in Galway. I did however use my lights and horn numerous times to move slow drivers out of the overtaking lane which i stayed in the whole journey at an average of 160 km per hour.

So you're overtaking lane hogger.
I don't believe you were constantly overtaking someone on 200km journey - that's impossible.

Autochange

penno wrote: »

I didn't know the limit was 160km. Maybe us slow 120km drivers should all drive like this and not just the select few road owners.

The limit is 120. You are correct.

Autochange

CiniO wrote: »

So you're overtaking lane hogger.
I don't believe you were constantly overtaking someone on 200km journey - that's impossible.

If the cars were doing 120 and i was doing 160 ie I was travelling faster so I was constantly overtaking people. Obviously the little time I had to slow down was when i was stuck behind people who were in the overtaking lane but not overtaking anyone or barely passing someone out . Thats where the lights and horn came in to play.

gctest50

Autochange wrote: »

........ I did however use my lights and horn numerous times to move slow drivers out of the overtaking lane which i stayed in the whole journey at an average of 160 km per hour.

You did in yer dreams and yer daysul Clio


- dashcam or it didn't happen

Autochange

gctest50 wrote: »

You did in yer dreams and yer daysul Clio


- dashcam or it didn't happen

151 A3 Diesel actually. It is how i drive. Im not sorry for it either. Im travelling faster than others so will stay in the overtaking lane. Anyway this thread is about indicating.

I dont have a dash cam.

RicketyCricket

Autochange wrote: »

151 A3 Diesel actually. It is how i drive. Im not sorry for it either. Im travelling faster than others so will stay in the overtaking lane. Anyway this thread is about indicating.

I dont have a dash cam.

Fantasy driver. "I'm faster than everyone". You don't drive like that. We know. It's ok.

Autochange

Im not faster than everyone. Thats just the speed i chose to drive. Its no big deal. 40kms over the speed limit on a motorway isnt that much anyway. Its not like im in a built up area or a windy rural road . Its a mainly straight road with high visibility designed for high speeds.

RicketyCricket

Autochange wrote: »

Im not faster than everyone. Thats just the speed i chose to drive. Its no big deal. 40kms over the speed limit on a motorway isnt that much anyway. Its not like im in a built up area or a windy rural road . Its a mainly straight road with high visibility designed for high speeds.

No, no, you go at whatever speed you want and blow your horn at everyone that's in your way. Tis grand. Don't forget to put your fog lights on because your car looks cool that way! Ha!

Autochange

RicketyCricket wrote: »

No, no, you go at whatever speed you want and blow your horn at everyone that's in your way. Tis grand. Don't forget to put your fog lights on because your car looks cool that way! Ha!

Never thought of that! Thanks for the tip. Keep left please and let traffic pass. No dithering along in the overtaking lane. Its dangerous more so than anything.

RicketyCricket

Autochange wrote: »

Never thought of that! Thanks for the tip. Keep left please and let traffic pass. No dithering along in the overtaking lane. Its dangerous more so than anything.

The trolls are out in force tonight on this site.

Autochange

RicketyCricket wrote: »

The trolls are out in force tonight on this site.

No trolling. I can genuinely tell you that is how I drive. If you dont want to believe that fine but dont come with the troll call because i disagree with your view.
The eternally offended
Goodnight

RicketyCricket

Autochange wrote: »

No trolling. I can genuinely tell you that is how I drive. If you dont want to believe that fine but dont come with the troll call because i disagree with your view.
The eternally offended
Goodnight

I just don't believe you. As I'm sure many others don't.