535D......madness?

Wailin

So I'm currently driving a 525D touring (2 litre variant) for just over a yr and a half. Love the car, but it's a big heavy yoke and it just needs that little extra that you get with the 3 litre engines I feel.

In terms of running costs, if anyone has the experience, is there a big difference between the 525D abd a 535D? Tax will go up, but only by €100 a yr I think? Insurance will go up a lot more alright. Fuel costs are not too different from what I can gather. I currently get around 50mpg motorway driving which drops to 35-38 on short trips around town.

There's a few 535's around, more 530's obviously. Would you go for a slightly higher spec 530D over a less specc'd 535D?

Blazer

Wailin wrote: »

So I'm currently driving a 525D touring (2 litre variant) for just over a yr and a half. Love the car, but it's a big heavy yoke and it just needs that little extra that you get with the 3 litre engines I feel.

In terms of running costs, if anyone has the experience, is there a big difference between the 525D abd a 535D? Tax will go up, but only by €100 a yr I think? Insurance will go up a lot more alright. Fuel costs are not too different from what I can gather. I currently get around 50mpg motorway driving which drops to 35-38 on short trips around town.

There's a few 535's around, more 530's obviously. Would you go for a slightly higher spec 530D over a less specc'd 535D?

I've the F10 525D 3 litre version (saloon). I test drove a 520D touring recently and found it extremely sluggish in comparison. I know the 2l version of the 525D has a bit more power due to a remap by Alpine so basically power levels are similiar.
Going from a 525D to a 530D is a big improvement. I think its from 204/218hp to around 240hp for the 530D and 285hp for the 535D.
Both the 530/535D acceleration times etc are significantly improved over the 525D. You're looking at just over a second for 0-100 but its the 0-200 or so is where the real difference is..Wheareas the 525D etc will take approx 30 seconds or so the 530/535D will do it 9 seconds faster. Huge difference.

I love the bigger engined BMWs but in fairness the 530 and 535 are both extremely powerful cars so I would take the higher specced 530D over the 535D.


This is a great site for comparing cars..it covers everything power wise.

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/bmw/5-series_f10/5-series_f10-2_sedan/2013.html

gonko

I owned a 2006 e60 530d, had a e39 525d before that. They are both great cars, the 530d felt ridiculously over powered with its huge torque......which is how a BMW ought to feel.
It was the 231bhp version from 2006/2007.

If luxury and power is your thing though, go and test drive a Lexus GS450h.

scannerd

what years are you talking? e60 530d + remap will have very similar power to the 530d stock (with only 1 turbo so less to go wrong) so you can look at either to get the right spec / condition you want, as there is not going to be that many to choose from....

Wailin

Sorry lads im talking about 2014 f10/f11. My own 525d is 2013. The 535d now has 313bhp and 530d 260bhp. Im more interested in the difference in running costs. Obviously the biggest cost will be the trade up but after that im wondering will i see a big difference too.

Also, is it crazy to be going for a big diesel engine now with all the negativity surrounding diesel nowadays?

ongarite

I've a 14 530d, more than fast enough.
Brakes pad replacement and disc replacement is pricey but the discs and pads are huge.
530d and especially 535d are hard on rear tyres with the huge torque to control and tyres are expensive on 19" alloys.

Other than that I can't see it costing more to run than a 520d or 525d in servicing.

The Bishop Basher

Wailin wrote: »

Sorry lads im talking about 2014 f10/f11. My own 525d is 2013. The 535d now has 313bhp and 530d 260bhp. Im more interested in the difference in running costs. Obviously the biggest cost will be the trade up but after that im wondering will i see a big difference too

I've had 2 E60 535's, a 520i and a 523i.

There was no negligible difference in servicing costs or anything else for that matter. It's a BMW so small issues can get pricey when you're forced to go to the dealer.. I did most of the work myself so that also makes a difference.

Most expensive issue I had was a phone module which cost the guts of a grand but that could have gone in any of them. Tyres were expensive too.

Overall It's a stunning engine and and great fun to drive.. But you already know that

Wailin wrote: »

Also, is it crazy to be going for a big diesel engine now with all the negativity surrounding diesel nowadays?

Diesel's not going anywhere soon but i would imagine it will be brought in line with petrol and eventually priced out with tax but you'll be through a few more cars before that happens..

Synthol

Why are you looking for performance in a car? If you want performance then get a cheap bike. Even commuter/middleweight bikes have more performance than actual performance cars. Or buy a 535d then pay outrageous running costs and guess what, I will still overtake you on any cheap bike that costs €1000

R.O.R

Synthol wrote: »

Why are you looking for performance in a car? If you want performance then get a cheap bike. Even commuter/middleweight bikes have more performance than actual performance cars. Or buy a 535d then pay outrageous running costs and guess what, I will still overtake you on any cheap bike that costs €1000

Unless it is raining and there any sort of corner coming up.

Other advantage of not riding a (ho) motorcycle (apart from the much lower chance of dying on the road) is not having to put the gimp suit on before heading anywhere.

Toyotafanboi

Synthol wrote: »

Why are you looking for performance in a car? If you want performance then get a cheap bike. Even commuter/middleweight bikes have more performance than actual performance cars. Or buy a 535d then pay outrageous running costs and guess what, I will still overtake you on any cheap bike that costs €1000

Nobody asked for any opinion on motorbikes whatsoever. Do NOT use motorcycles to bait motors forum users again.

The next time you drag a motors thread off topic with "motorcycles are better" carry on, you will be banned, 100%.

If you want to talk bikes, we have a forum for that
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=577

commited

If you're happy with your car why not just remap it?
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/BMWx25d215.pdf

Wailin

commited wrote: »

If you're happy with your car why not just remap it?
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/BMWx25d215.pdf

No interest in a remap. Its a 2 litre engine already at its upper limit at 218bhp i feel. It's about refinement more than 0-60 for me. Just to know that mountain of torque is there when you need it is also a bonus!

ongarite

Not too many 535d for sale in Ireland.
Huge selection in the UK with excellent spec.
Picked up my 530d over there.

Wailin

This is a decent specc'd 535D, has VDC as well which is rare to find. Premium price obviously but with 2 yr warranty.
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2014-141-bmw-5-series-535d-m-spo-westmeath-fpa-4593671170224778286

And a lovely 535D touring identical in every way to my own apart from engine...
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2014-141-bmw-5-series-535-d-f11-cork-fpa-7691998526985

Plenty of more but at much lower spec (not even widescreen satnav...on an 80k car).

The Bishop Basher

Wailin wrote: »

And a lovely 535D touring identical in every way to my own apart from engine...
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2014-141-bmw-5-series-535-d-f11-cork-fpa-7691998526985

I love every inch of that car.. Such a great sleeper

And I agree, it's the torque that makes the 535d such a special drive..

ongarite

https://www.imperialcarsupermarkets.co.uk/find-a-car/?marque=bmw&model=5series&fuel_type=Diesel&gearbox=Automatic&style=saloon

Browse away..

https://www.imperialcarsupermarkets.co.uk/used-car/bmw/5-series/u52400/535d-m-sport-4dr-step-auto

Wailin

Without doubt if I had cash I'd be gone. But no one will spend 26-28k on a private sale here so my car has to go as trade.

California Dreamer

I always think there is shocking bad value with BMW in Ireland. Would you not pick up something better value in the UK even taking VRT into it. The exchange rate really is great these days.

Wailin

No as i said earlier i have a car to trade. Hard to sell privately.

bazz26

I would consider the running costs of a 535d v 530d similar to the running costs of a 525d v 520d. Both have the same engine but with the more powerful versions having an extra turbo and other bits over it's less powerful sibling.

carsfan2

Would you consider a 640d gran coupe?
Same engine as 535d and effortless. Running costs would be the same and it is much more luxurious than 5 series.
Obviously if space is a huge requirement than stick with 5 but they are deceptively spacious once you’re in.
They depreciate heavily from new so a 3 year old should be achievable for same as high spec 5.

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

Would you consider a 640d gran coupe?
Same engine as 535d and effortless. Running costs would be the same and it is much more luxurious than 5 series.
Obviously if space is a huge requirement than stick with 5 but they are deceptively spacious once you’re in.
They depreciate heavily from new so a 3 year old should be achievable for same as high spec 5.

Gorgeous looking machine, and if i didn't need the space then the 640d would definitely be a consideration.

But unfortunately with a family with 2 kids it wouldn't be practical. Was also considering the A6 avant but i just feel the bmw has a bit more class. More understated than the Audi which I prefer.

Wailin

bazz26 wrote: »

I would consider the running costs of a 535d v 530d similar to the running costs of a 525d v 520d. Both have the same engine but with the more powerful versions having an extra turbo and other bits over it's less powerful sibling.

Yeah Bazz, I don't think there would be much between them regarding running costs.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Synthol wrote: »

Why are you looking for performance in a car? If you want performance then get a cheap bike. Even commuter/middleweight bikes have more performance than actual performance cars. Or buy a 535d then pay outrageous running costs and guess what, I will still overtake you on any cheap bike that costs €1000

You're fair cool.

bazz26

A Merc CLS 350 AMG Shooting Brake would be a nice alternative.

rabbitinlights

535d all day. 530d is very nice, but you'll always think what if........

Not much choice here compared to the UK, but get a quote on a trade in from BMW and then use that value to see if you get any interest privately - you'd be surprised if its priced well.

I love my 525d touring, but I know what you mean about the engine vs the 6cyl - just a little harsh.

The Bishop Basher

rabbitinlights wrote: »

535d all day. 530d is very nice, but you'll always think what if........

Despite being a beautiful car in every respect, I never owned a 530d for this very reason..

Blazer

Swanner wrote: »

Despite being a beautiful car in every respect, I never owned a 530d for this very reason..

No matter what card you pick there’s always a what if.
If you went 535d you’d be wondering why not a 530i/535i instead etc etc.

Wailin

May end up just keeping the 525d if the trade in offers so far are anything to go by. Waiting on a call tomorrow but this ones from a main bmw dealer so not expecting any better.

bazz26

Yep, they will try and shaft you on the trade-in.

Big Nasty

Might be difficult to shift your own car privately but if you could you'd have better buying power on a straight deal, or better still buy in the UK as there's fup all F10 530/535d's for sale here anyway.

Wailin

bazz26 wrote: »

Yep, they will try and shaft you on the trade-in.

Big time Bazz. Wasn't expecting such a bad trade deal from a non bmw main dealer but fairly insulting.

Wailin

Big Nasty wrote: »

Might be difficult to shift your own car privately but if you could you'd have better buying power on a straight deal, or better still buy in the UK as there's fup all F10 530/535d's for sale here anyway.

Would be very difficult to shift privately alright. Probably not even worth the effort. Browsed through the uk website ongarite linked earlier and the choices and prices are no comparison.

Hespy

I've owned an f10 535d for a year now. Bought it in London, its a 131 plate now. I can't begin to explain how happy I am with it!
I get 35/36 mpg, but I drive it in sports mode all the time, and thats constantly flooring it getting up to speed. You could easily get 40+ with a little bit of care. Its great for overtaking, a joy on motorways, and you can stick it back into comfort for the back roads.
I strongly considered a 6 series, but I wanted something more subtle and practicle. I actually look forward to my commutes every day!
Don't think about it, just do it!

carsfan2

Wailin wrote: »

May end up just keeping the 525d if the trade in offers so far are anything to go by. Waiting on a call tomorrow but this ones from a main bmw dealer so not expecting any better.

How much below what you were expecting were the offers? I would have thought your car was very saleable?

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

How much below what you were expecting were the offers? I would have thought your car was very saleable?

15k cash with mine to trade for a 141 535d touring. Low mileage admittedly at 30,000 compared to 82,500 on mine. (My 525D is 2013).

carsfan2

To be honest I don't think that is too far from what you should be getting.I would have thought about 12/13 K would be a reasonable deal especially with the mileage and if they give you a warranty. Presume tyres are perfect on the 535? They are a grand in themselves.

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

To be honest I don't think that is too far from what you should be getting.I would have thought about 12/13 K would be a reasonable deal especially with the mileage and if they give you a warranty. Presume tyres are perfect on the 535? They are a grand in themselves.

12 month warranty with it. My estimate was 12k max. Was thinking mine was valued at 26k easily. Interesting to see what bmw offer tomorrow.

Heres Johnny

I think that's the ballpark figure I would have thought too. Up a year and into a more expensive car when new. Mileage difference too is worth money. You'll struggle to get them to close the gap.

carsfan2

BMW sales guy told me at the launch of the new 5 series that 520d f10 series shed 10k a year in the early years so to move up a year to a car probably 20/25k more when new than your own for 12/13k would be good.
Did you drive the 535d by the way?

Wailin

carsfan2 wrote: »

BMW sales guy told me at the launch of the new 5 series that 520d f10 series shed 10k a year in the early years so to move up a year to a car probably 20/25k more when new than your own for 12/13k would be good.
Did you drive the 535d by the way?

No this was chatting on the phone so didn't drive it. Plan on test driving one on Friday though hopefully.

Edit: I think its more like 10k difference between both cars when new carsfan? Both exact same spec just engine the difference. Same as 10k difference between 520d and 525d.

Wailin

Heres Johnny wrote: »

I think that's the ballpark figure I would have thought too. Up a year and into a more expensive car when new. Mileage difference too is worth money. You'll struggle to get them to close the gap.

I could tell from chatting with them id struggle to get anything better. From a financial standpoint maybe i should just forget and enjoy my own again.

thierry14

I think you are mad tbh OP

If it's low running cost and power you want

For nearly 40k I would be going Tesla Model S Cpo

4 year warranty, €2 for 100km, will blow away a 535D in straight line, access to Tesla superchargers and imo Tesla are much cooler than BMW at the moment

One below is a P85+

With recent over the air free updates its doing sub 4 secs to 60.

Real world acceleration 80-180kmh its 3.5 seconds faster than a 535D, it will walk away from one.

Even the brand new lowly Tesla Model 3 for 40k coming soon could beat a 535d in a straight line and thats not a performance car

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB3H16EFP45233?redirect=no

http://www.zeperfs.com/duel3882-4700.htm

Heres Johnny

Wailin wrote: »

Heres Johnny wrote: »

I think that's the ballpark figure I would have thought too. Up a year and into a more expensive car when new. Mileage difference too is worth money. You'll struggle to get them to close the gap.

I could tell from chatting with them id struggle to get anything better. From a financial standpoint maybe i should just forget and enjoy my own again.

You might get better joy moving to 530d. The 535 is seen as performance and commands a premium. But then again you are in a very decent car at the moment.

bazz26

Wailin wrote: »

15k cash with mine to trade for a 141 535d touring. Low mileage admittedly at 30,000 compared to 82,500 on mine. (My 525D is 2013).

I can tell you that a BMW dealer will probably offer you less for your car and want more for their car.

carsfan2

http://www.kearys.ie/imglib/KearysResponsive2014/prices/BMW-price-list.pdf

Pricelist here shows 15k difference when new. So you gain a year and lose a lot of mileage too. Spec on that estate looks like it has pro nav,and probably few more extras but if you already have them then maybe its not worth it. /your 525d sound like lovely car too.
If you drive it and see them face to face maybe price will improve.

bazz26

thierry14 wrote: »

I think you are mad tbh OP

If it's low running cost and power you want

For nearly 40k I would be going Tesla Model S Cpo

4 year warranty, €2 for 100km, will blow away a 535D in straight line, access to Tesla superchargers and imo Tesla are much cooler than BMW at the moment

One below is a P85+

With recent over the air free updates its doing sub 4 secs to 60.

Real world acceleration 80-180kmh its 3.5 seconds faster than a 535D, it will walk away from one.

Even the brand new lowly Tesla Model 3 for 40k coming soon could beat a 535d in a straight line and thats not a performance car

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB3H16EFP45233?redirect=no

http://www.zeperfs.com/duel3882-4700.htm

But what good is a Tesla to the OP who needs an estate?

carsfan2

bazz26 wrote: »

I can tell you that a BMW dealer will probably offer you less for your car and want more for their car.

I would not be at all surprised or else try and sell you a 181 520d!

grogi

bazz26 wrote: »

But what good is a Tesla to the OP who needs an estate?

Model S, while not an estate, is a big hatchback with a second storage in the front. I guess it could have enough room to accommodate the luggage OP intends on transporting.

bazz26

or maybe not.

Casati

thierry14 wrote: »

I think you are mad tbh OP

If it's low running cost and power you want

For nearly 40k I would be going Tesla Model S Cpo

4 year warranty, €2 for 100km, will blow away a 535D in straight line, access to Tesla superchargers and imo Tesla are much cooler than BMW at the moment

One below is a P85+

With recent over the air free updates its doing sub 4 secs to 60.

Real world acceleration 80-180kmh its 3.5 seconds faster than a 535D, it will walk away from one.

Even the brand new lowly Tesla Model 3 for 40k coming soon could beat a 535d in a straight line and thats not a performance car

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB3H16EFP45233?redirect=no

http://www.zeperfs.com/duel3882-4700.htm

Any idea what the VRT would be on the Tesla?