serious violence on the Boardwalk at bachelors walk last night

BornIn84

Did anyone else see the fight with 20 Feral kids on the board walk across from the Arlington hotel last night? they had one guy on the ground and were kicking and punching him it was horrific.
Innocent bystanders were shocked and running away from the boardwalk across traffic on the quays.
There's a serious need for more Gardaí

spurious

..or parents who do not drag up animals.

schemingbohemia

BornIn84 wrote: »

Did anyone else see the fight with 20 Feral kids on the board walk across from the Arlington hotel last night? they had one guy on the ground and were kicking and punching him it was horrific.
Innocent bystanders were shocked and running away from the boardwalk across traffic on the quays.
There's a serious need for more Gardaí

What did the Garda say when you rang them?

Sebastian Dangerfield

schemingbohemia wrote: »

What did the Garda say when you rang them?

If it's anything like the last time I called one in, they'll pass you back and forth between Store Street and Pearse Street until you give up.

Dublin Spur

zero tolerance policy required

OleRodrigo

Probably needs to be a review on certain families in social housing in and around the city center.

Most are fine, but there are some career criminals and wasters amongst the usual cohort of junkies - many of whom produce equally useless offspring - that cause no end of trouble.

Amsterdam has an innovative approach to this kind of thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2012/dec/04/liberal-amsterdam-plans-scum-villages

The problem in Dublin is that policymakers are insulated between a leafy suburb and Grafton St and dont want to know.

Del2005

Dublin Spur wrote: »

zero tolerance policy required

Until the judicial system is completely reformed there is no point in a zero tolerance policy. The Gardai currently don't react as they know that the person will walk with a slap on the wrist after several hours of Gardai time have been used dealing with them. First we need to fix the incestuous justice system then that will solve the anti social problems.

Pat Mustard

OleRodrigo wrote: »

Amsterdam has an innovative approach to this kind of thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2012/dec/04/liberal-amsterdam-plans-scum-villages

A "scum" village - for scum! :pac:

I can imagine that there won't be too many vying for the title. Either you'd have to pick some place like Rathkeale or else purpose-build a new artificial village.

OleRodrigo

Pat Mustard wrote: »

A "scum" village - for scum! :pac:

I can imagine that there won't be too many vying for the title. Either you'd have to pick some place like Rathkeale or else purpose-build a new artificial village.

In fairness, I think ' scum ' is a harsh translation from dutch but the concept is good and it would probably be purpose built.

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Sleeper12

Del2005 wrote:

Until the judicial system is completely reformed there is no point in a zero tolerance policy. The Gardai currently don't react as they know that the person will walk with a slap on the wrist after several hours of Gardai time have been used dealing with them. First we need to fix the incestuous justice system then that will solve the anti social problems.

There's no room in prison either if we went zero tolerance. Not that prison works

L1011

OleRodrigo wrote: »

In fairness, I think ' scum ' is a harsh translation from dutch but the concept is good and it would probably be purpose built.

It's a pejorative term for them and it's an accurate translation.

Some councils here have or had isolated apartment blocks for tenants with recurrent complaints. Effectively the same thing. There's nowhere in the City Council area you could consider isolated though

Del2005

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There's no room in prison either if we went zero tolerance. Not that prison works

As you said prison doesn't work but that's our default punishment, usually suspended. If they bring in community services and fines that are deducted from source. The other problem is that the legal profession is making too much money from the constant stream of repeat offenders that they don't want to reform the system, people shouldn't be able to get convictions into double figures never mind that some are into treble figures.

I had the pleasure of spending a day in the children's court after a scumbag tried to steal my car. That was an experience of our judicial system and the eventual outcome was a farce a few years later when I was summonsed again.

Gavin "shels"

http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/watch-shocking-video-shows-gang-13754170

wordofwarning

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

If it's anything like the last time I called one in, they'll pass you back and forth between Store Street and Pearse Street until you give up.

Maybe you have a poor ability to give directions or explain situations? I have called the Gardai about anti-social behaviours, thefts etc and they are there within 90-120 seconds in a squad car.

The last time I called the Gardai, I called Pearse St to tell them two junkies had a laptop that was no way there. From calling Pearse St to the Gardai being on Westmoreland St to school the junkies was no more than 90 seconds. Maybe they were there as I was able to give a concise and clear explanation of the situation/location etc.

wordofwarning

wordofwarning wrote: »

Maybe you have a poor ability to give directions or explain situations? I have called the Gardai about anti-social behaviours, thefts etc and they are there within 90-120 seconds in a squad car.

The last time I called the Gardai, I called Pearse St to tell them two junkies had a laptop that was no way there. From calling Pearse St to the Gardai being on Westmoreland St to school the junkies was no more than 90 seconds. Maybe they were there as I was able to give a concise and clear explanation of the situation/location etc.

Perhaps it depends on area, general overall busy-ness of the station you're calling etc.?


I know in Drogheda, ringing Gardai about anti-social behaviour of pretty much any variety is a pretty futile effort. They seem to have very little interest in it.

spurious

A few of those coppers who 'handled' the voting in Barcelona the other week wouldn't go amiss on many a city centre night.

Sam Quentin

Del2005 wrote: »

Until the judicial system is completely reformed there is no point in a zero tolerance policy. The Gardai currently don't react as they know that the person will walk with a slap on the wrist after several hours of Gardai time have been used dealing with them. First we need to fix the incestuous justice system then that will solve the anti social problems.

Just to stop the fight should be enough for any 'real' Guard!?

chicorytip

Pat Mustard wrote:

A "scum" village - for scum!

Pat Mustard wrote:

I can imagine that there won't be too many vying for the title. Either you'd have to pick some place like Rathkeale or else purpose-build a new artificial village.

Why denigrate the town of Rathkeale and it's residents with the label "scum village"?

ScouseMouse

spurious wrote: »

A few of those coppers who 'handled' the voting in Barcelona the other week wouldn't go amiss on many a city centre night.

No use. Some jumped up solicitor would have the cops in court for assault.

I agree with you though. Best thing i ever saw never saw was a guard from Fitzgibbon St, kick a scumbag in the ribs. Only thing the prick would understand.

inforfun

[QUOTE=OleRodrigo;104947519

Amsterdam has an innovative approach to this kind of thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2012/dec/04/liberal-amsterdam-plans-scum-villages

The problem in Dublin is that policymakers are insulated between a leafy suburb and Grafton St and dont want to know.[/QUOTE]

5 year old article and it never happened, of course.
Your last sentence works just as hard for Amsterdam (and the rest of The Netherlands).
Animals are protected and let loose on the common person like it is some kind of sick experiment.

Sebastian Dangerfield

wordofwarning wrote: »

Maybe you have a poor ability to give directions or explain situations? I have called the Gardai about anti-social behaviours, thefts etc and they are there within 90-120 seconds in a squad car.

The last time I called the Gardai, I called Pearse St to tell them two junkies had a laptop that was no way there. From calling Pearse St to the Gardai being on Westmoreland St to school the junkies was no more than 90 seconds. Maybe they were there as I was able to give a concise and clear explanation of the situation/location etc.

If "Liffey Street" is a poor direction then maybe...

Pat Mustard

chicorytip wrote: »

Why denigrate the town of Rathkeale and it's residents with the label "scum village"?

Why indeed. Sure isn't it the Monte Carlo of County Limerick.

Birneybau

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Why indeed. Sure isn't it the Monte Carlo of County Limerick.

As in, nobody pays tax? :pac:

mattser

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Why indeed. Sure isn't it the Monte Carlo of County Limerick.

Cheap shot at a complete town. No need to follow up with the Monte Carlo gag either.

Guy:Incognito

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There's no room in prison either if we went zero tolerance. Not that prison works

Not doing anything doesn't work either. At least for the duration of their prison stay the proper citizens of the country don't have to encounter them.

the purple tin

Why don't they rig up the boardwalk so that it's spring loaded and pulling a lever would cause the section of your choice to tilt up and over at speed and fling anyone on that section into the smelly Liffey. That would soon cool their temper.
Also would work a treat for drunkies.

sozbox

inforfun wrote: »

5 year old article and it never happened, of course.
Your last sentence works just as hard for Amsterdam (and the rest of The Netherlands).
Animals are protected and let loose on the common person like it is some kind of sick experiment.

Sure?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/roma-family-is-banished-to-amsterdams-scum-village-29557503.html

Needs Must

Scum, they contribute nothing too society. Should be put down.

alastair

Needs Must wrote: »

Scum, they contribute nothing too society. Should be put down.

And the winner of the most inane hyperbolic post goes to...

inforfun

sozbox wrote: »

Sure?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/roma-family-is-banished-to-amsterdams-scum-village-29557503.html

Yes, sure.
They were the only ones sent to 2 shipping containers. Hardly a village.
They were kicked out there as well only a few months later, in 2014

s15r330

With a bit of luck the storm will blow the dirtbags away

Straight Talker

alastair wrote: »

And the winner of the most inane hyperbolic post goes to...

The they should be put down bit was a bit harsh.But the contribute nothing to society bit was bang on.There is some of us out earning our wages.Then you have the waste of spaces like in that video, who are just happy enough to spend their entire lives drawing the dole and spend their money on drink and drugs, and who in general just like to inflict misery on the honest decent hard working folk amongst us.;)

alastair

Straight Talker wrote: »

The they should be put down bit was a bit harsh.But the contribute nothing to society bit was bang on.There is some of us out earning our wages.Then you have the waste of spaces like in that video, who are just happy enough to spend their entire lives drawing the dole and spend their money on drink and drugs, and who in general just like to inflict misery on the honest decent hard working folk amongst us.;)

Ehh, you’re in receipt of JSA. So I’d lean less on your crystal ball musings and focus a bit more on hypocrisy.

Mountjoy Mugger

alastair wrote: »

Ehh, you’re in receipt of JSA. So I’d lean less on your crystal ball musings and focus a bit more on hypocrisy.

Ouch! Remember, it's better to attack the post, not the poster.

alastair

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

Ouch! Remember, it's better to attack the post, not the poster.

Good point. To clear up any confusion - nobody on this forum has the blindest notion what any of those kids are likely to do with themselves over the long term, or what they’ll contribute to society over the course of their lives. Teenage idiocy is pretty unremarkable, and there’s plenty who cop on and become valued citizens. Take them to task for this anti-social behavior, for sure, but the reactionary mystic meg routine is mostly about projection.

Straight Talker

alastair wrote: »

Ehh, you’re in receipt of JSA. So I’d lean less on your crystal ball musings and focus a bit more on hypocrisy.

Yeah i was.Some people genuinely need it.Others just see it as a life style choice to avoid doing as little work as possible.But that's for another thread.

dd972

Going home in a few weeks, nice to see Old Town hasn't lost any of it's old charm(lessness).

The boardwalk should be privatised and tendered out to cafes along the way, public areas should be subtlety managed so the seating is well spread and minimal and only in very busy areas thus making it difficult to congregate. All that could be easily done it might annoy the type who get exercised by the idea of privatising public spaces though.

Design can be used as subtle way of deterring individuals.

Chinasea

Saw a terrifying gang pick on some unsuspecting young student looking types, for no reason as far as I could see on Parnell Street a few Sundays back. It was shocking. Nobody intervened. In fact some local ghouls left their afternoon pints and stood outside the pub to watch. I was absolutely traumatised. I seemed to be the only one who called the police and tried to intervene.

I rang the Gardai the next day and got pushed from Billy to Jack all claiming to know nothing about it and that it was not their area etc.

Just reading about the incident in this thread, on the Boardwalk. The only info I could find is that again, it seems as if it was a feral mob who just picked on some German students who were staying in a nearby hostel.

All this kinda stuff seems to be kept very quiet and not reported.

Dr Brown

mariaalice wrote: »

The boardwalk should be privatised and tendered out to cafes along the way, public areas should be subtlety managed so the seating is well spread and minimal and only in very busy areas thus making it difficult to congregate. All that could be easily done it might annoy the type who get exercised by the idea of privatising public spaces though.

Design can be used as subtle way of deterring individuals.

I can't see anyone wanting to buy the boardwalk.

It has become a "no go area" in the city.

mattser

Dr Brown wrote: »

I can't see anyone wanting to buy the boardwalk.

It has become a "no go area" in the city.

Send the Spanish police down there for a few nights, once in a while ( along with their powers ). that might sort it.

AnneFrank

The boardwalk is junkieville, zombie scumbags that rob our country blind, whilst availing of free money and accommodation paid for by us. Useless humans with zero worth

Arcade_Tryer

Dr Brown wrote: »

I can't see anyone wanting to buy the boardwalk.

It has become a "no go area" in the city.

People go there all the time, including myself, so not sure what is meant by "no go area".

AnneFrank wrote: »

The boardwalk is junkieville, zombie scumbags that rob our country blind, whilst availing of free money and accommodation paid for by us. Useless humans with zero worth

So much hate. So much misdirected hate.

Dr Brown

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

People go there all the time, including myself, so not sure what is meant by "no go area".

Would you go there late at night ?

I almost got beating up by scumbags on the boardwalk a few years ago.

Granted it was after 1am but I would never go there again after my experience.

AnneFrank

Dr Brown wrote: »

Would you go there late at night ?

I almost got beating up by scumbags on the boardwalk a few years ago.

Granted it was after 1am but I would never go there again after my experience.

Go down there at lunch and the zombies are sitting there on the benches drinking cans and openly selling smack, the gardai just walk past turning a blind eye, it's not my misdirected hate, it's fact.

Jolisa94

Have to agree with AnneFrank, i’ve been working in this area for almost 20 years and the problem is only getting worse.

Very sad to see, especially when they have small kids with them.

The only way is to privatise it, a serious 'health and safety' issue needs to found with the structure necessitating it to be close for a while for repairs and when it is reopened all of it should be privatise and given over to cafes and small retail there should be no seating except for the cafes.

That only pushes the problem somewhere else, similar use to hang out on the steps of the bank building opposite the custom house.

The only way to stop it is to make it difficult to congregate not by prohibition but by design.

privatisation of public space is a big thing with the left so I would be fairly sure they would be a bit of uproar if it was privatised.

Tombo2001

Jolisa94 wrote: »

Have to agree with AnneFrank, i’ve been working in this area for almost 20 years and the problem is only getting worse.

Very sad to see, especially when they have small kids with them.

But thats the thing.

The problem has been there really since the boardwalk was built.

I cant remember a time that there wasnt junkies moping around Dublin.

Its always 'way worse than it used to be', (to be honest I dont think its any worse now than 10/15 years ago myself).

So why would anything change? Whats going to make it change.

Just on the long list of things that 'the govt/ council needs to do something about'......

No TD will lose their seat over it, or has lost their seat over it. In other words, people dont really care THAT much.....

Dublin Spur

if Manhattan can be cleaned up so can Dublin city center

have to get tough with the scumbags

Dr Brown

Dublin Spur wrote: »

if Manhattan can be cleaned up so can Dublin city center

have to get tough with the scumbags

One thing that would really help clean up the city centre is to move the methadone clinics out to the suburbs.