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Running a Sierra as a daily

  • 04-10-2017 1:26pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭ mk1esc


    has anybody been running a ford sierra saloon/ 5 dr or estate as a daily? im considering buying one again and want it as my daily but dont know what insurance companies will insure it....anybody any help out there....:D

    i would love to be running my mk1 escort van as a daily but the cost of petrol would cripple me......


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Would the van be that much harder on petrol than a Sierra?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    Which engine is in the Sierra? I drove a 1990 1.8 CVH as a company wagon back in the day, it was a UK import. It was a beauty to drive compared to the crap on the roads here at the time, nice spec too. 32 mpg around town 36 mpg on any kind of a decent journey. I'd imagine the escort van would be in the mid 20's the low gearing doesn't help the vans cause.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,548 ✭✭✭ JohnBoy26


    It wouldn't make a good daily driver because these like to rust and any good one is worth saving now as a classic car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    It wouldn't make a good daily driver because these like to rust and any good one is worth saving now as a classic car.

    I don't follow your reasoning there. Classic cars rust too, even more so when left sitting unmoved for months on end. I'm assuming the op is going to look after the car and not drive it into the ground.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,548 ✭✭✭ JohnBoy26


    jca wrote: »
    I don't follow your reasoning there. Classic cars rust too, even more so when left sitting unmoved for months on end. I'm assuming the op is going to look after the car and not drive it into the ground.

    A classic car won't rust in damp free storage and can be used periodically so as to stop any deterioration.

    Any classic car i've seen used as a daily has deteriorated very quickly in this Irish climate no matter how well looked after they have been. Rust is the main problem which the sierra was well renowned for back in the day.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    A classic car won't rust in damp free storage and can be used periodically so as to stop any deterioration.

    Any classic car i've seen used as a daily has deteriorated very quickly in this Irish climate no matter how well looked after they have been. Rust is the main problem which the sierra was well renowned for back in the day.

    Leaving the rust issues aside would you think they'd make a good daily? I think they would especially if the op could get a CVH one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,548 ✭✭✭ JohnBoy26


    jca wrote: »
    Leaving the rust issues aside would you think they'd make a good daily? I think they would especially if the op could get a CVH one.

    I think they probably would in many ways. They were a great car in their day but by modern standards they wouldn't be all that safe in a crash either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    I think they probably would in many ways. They were a great car in their day but by modern standards they wouldn't be all that safe in a crash either.

    Ah jaysus hopefully he wont be in a smash, talk about doom and gloom....


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,892 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    they wouldn't be all that safe in a crash either.

    None of our classic cars are very safe in a crash. Thanks for reminding us, you killjoy :p

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ Isambard


    I ran a 1990 1.6 a few years ago and had Classic insurance on it. It was a great second car, used whenever needed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭ mk1esc


    im looking at one in the uk, 2lt, petrol 4x4....looks very nice....im not any insurance company would insure though as a daily....anybody any ideas of who may insure it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,086 ✭✭✭✭ Harry Palmr


    The CVH engine was a dog in my Escort - it stood for Coarse Vibration and Harshness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    The CVH engine was a dog in my Escort - it stood for Coarse Vibration and Harshness.

    I think the 1.8 was the best of them. It was lovely in the one I had.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭ Duke O Smiley


    My father has a 4x4 2.0i. It likes a drop of fuel and hes constantly having bits done to it here and there. Dodgy sunroof and d/s door lock lately. Sills on both sides and jacking points were done for an upcoming test. That wasn't cheap, and they were done about ten years back too.

    Its a lovely car though, and he loves it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭ gctest50


    jca wrote: »
    Ah jaysus hopefully he wont be in a smash, talk about doom and gloom....

    hopefully not, but you still have to keep it in mind


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭ StereoSound


    I would love a Sierra as a second car, a black sapphire with red pin stripping on doors and bumpers. Neighbour had one when I was a kid and it was a stunning looking car, a very late 1993' car. The very last of them with the factory tinted rear lights. It was a 2.0 GLX.


  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭ mk1esc


    gctest50 wrote: »
    hopefully not, but you still have to keep it in mind


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    why would you post this up???? I didnt ask about safety....Ive owned classic cars since i was 19 and know they are nowhere near as safe as modern cars.....:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    mk1esc wrote: »
    why would you post this up???? I didnt ask about safety....Ive owned classic cars since i was 19 and know they are nowhere near as safe as modern cars.....:(

    It's boards, enough said... Did you get the 4x4 after?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ Isambard


    you probably wouldn't survive a head on at 50 mph in a modern car either . The damage is done by the sudden deceleration causing your organs to be damaged doing things they aren't designed to do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,104 ✭✭✭✭ elperello


    At first I was wondering about the appropriateness of the crash test post but having given it some thought I think it raises some issues worth considering.

    If you are using a classic as a daily driver you may find yourself​ giving lifts to family, friends,neighbours,work colleagues etc. They may or may not be aware that your vehicle is not equipped with safety features which are standard in modern vehicles. I'm thinking of air bags,ABS etc. Some older cars will not be fitted with rear seat belts. If there is an accident they may suffer injuries which would have been less severe had they been travelling in a modern car. This is in the context of everyday life and some people might feel that they are put at an unacceptable risk.
    Of course using the classic for weekend runs, rallies, shows etc falls into a different category.

    I've no wish to put a downer on the OPs plans I think this is worthy of discussion.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ Isambard


    the logical extension of that is to say that a 10 yr old car won't be as safe as a new car either. I think your point is valid but just where do you draw a line?

    I think you could extend your point to the risk to other car users. I wouldn't fancy hitting a non-crumpling classic at speed!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,104 ✭✭✭✭ elperello


    Isambard wrote: »
    the logical extension of that is to say that a 10 yr old car won't be as safe as a new car either. I think your point is valid but just where do you draw a line?

    I think you could extend your point to the risk to other car users. I wouldn't fancy hitting a non-crumpling classic at speed!

    I'm not sure that there is a need to draw a line.

    You have a duty of care to people you carry in your vehicle. You wouldn't have the same duty of care to other road users.

    I'd rather hit an old car than a Scania or John Deere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭ kaizersoze


    elperello wrote: »
    I'm not sure that there is a need to draw a line.

    You have a duty of care to people you carry in your vehicle. You wouldn't have the same duty of care to other road users.

    I'd rather hit an old car than a Scania or John Deere.

    As long as it's well maintained, taxed, insured and driven in a safe manner then that's your duty of care taken care off.
    You have the same duty of care in a modern car.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,104 ✭✭✭✭ elperello


    kaizersoze wrote: »
    As long as it's well maintained, taxed, insured and driven in a safe manner then that's your duty of care taken care off.
    You have the same duty of care in a modern car.

    Legally yes you are right.
    I was just making the point that the people who get into your car don't necessarily know that their risk of injury is higher.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭ deckie27


    Jaysus

    This is the worst thread I've seen on boards in a long time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ landmarkjohn


    jca wrote: »
    Which engine is in the Sierra? I drove a 1990 1.8 CVH as a company wagon back in the day, it was a UK import. It was a beauty to drive compared to the crap on the roads here at the time, nice spec too.

    I was living and working in UK back in the day and had a company 1991 1.8 Sapphire (saloon version) metallic gunmetal, no power steering. Great good looking car, good cabin.

    I was back here on holiday parked outside the butcher in the village when one of the local lads strolled over for a chat. Stuck his head in the window "is she a deeshal?" I can still remember the look of disgust on his face when I said it was petrol. :D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,600 jca


    deckie27 wrote: »
    Jaysus

    This is the worst thread I've seen on boards in a long time.

    The sooner the conveyancing legal eagles get back to work the better...


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,104 ✭✭✭✭ elperello


    deckie27 wrote: »
    Jaysus

    This is the worst thread I've seen on boards in a long time.

    Is it because you don't like Sierras?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭ ianobrien


    OP, a friend of mine ran one for years as a daily driver and he found the 1.6 pinto drank fuel. It was as bad as his 1.3 crossflow Escort. It was also painfully slow. The 2.0 twin cam was better on fuel, but got nicked on him. The inertia switch going off after the scrotes went over a kerb saved it from further harm.

    The main problems were rust rust and rust (a fuel tank support strap came off on him due to rust!). Mechanical were tough, and anything the motor factors didn't have, Burton Power had.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭ deckie27


    elperello wrote: »
    Is it because you don't like Sierras?

    No

    I like sierras I think its a great idea.
    I've being running classics as a daily for years.

    OP. asked about insurance and got grief about using a classic daily as it will rust. Then he was graphically shown crash tests and told he is a bad person to give anyone a lift.

    How about a Dacia Duster? It rusts very quickly and I wouldn't fancy being in one during a crash

    OP... Try first Ireland for insurance
    If petrol is an issue how about a the 1.8 or 2.3 diesel?


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