VW Golf GTE v eGolf review...

billy few mates

https://youtu.be/FJ9GF4UtAPQ

My head says GTE, my heart says eGolf....

unkel

If you like to drive over 150km/h or need to drive over 150km in the one go all the time, you need to buy the GTE or a proper GTI.

If not the eGolf wins hands down

grange girl

I agree, unkel. The GTE is great if you need the petrol backup but otherwise, driving electric is great and go for it!

Shefwedfan

The range of 200km is low, seeing as I can do 140km no problem in older model......

There is a couple of similar reviews, all say the same, the eGolf is better than GTE

The Egolf could do with a serious power upgrade !

thierry14

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Egolf could do with a serious power upgrade !

Exactly

No reason for it not to be 200bhp or more

Its like VW don't want it to be appealling

I'm sure with financial clout they have they could have 40kwh+, 300km range, 250bhp, 0-60 sub 6 secs out in a few months if they wished

Bloody Nissan Leaf 2018 has better power/range

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

The Egolf could do with a serious power upgrade !

Why? Have you driven one?

unkel

eGolf has 136BHP and does 0-100km/h in 9s

That's the same aceleration as the extremely light weight original Golf GTI Mk1

And most EVs are quicker in real life than their official figures. Leaf is officially almost 12s, but has been clocked at about 10s. Ioniq is officially 0-100km/h in 9.9s but has been clocked to do 0-60mph in 8.1s. I'd say the eGolf does about 8s too.

Of course more power is always quicker and better and I haven't driven the eGolf myself, but it would be absurd to call it slow. 8s is probably quicker than about 90% of all cars on the road in this country.

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

Exactly

No reason for it not to be 200bhp or more

Its like VW don't want it to be appealling

I'm sure with financial clout they have they could have 40kwh+, 300km range, 250bhp, 0-60 sub 6 secs out in a few months if they wished

Bloody Nissan Leaf 2018 has better power/range

Why would you need it to be 200bhp? Have you even drove the current eGolf or the older model? I find the performance better than my old 2.ltr TDi

In terms of range to remember the eGolf was only released in 2014. They have actually done fairly well to get to 35.8kWh battery in 3 years.

Think about it, Nissan released the Leaf in 2011 and are only getting to 40kWh battery now.

VW have also switched all dev now to ID. The current eGolf will be final version.

thierry14

unkel wrote: »

eGolf has 136BHP and does 0-100km/h in 9s

That's the same aceleration as the extremely light weight original Golf GTI Mk1

And most EVs are quicker in real life than their official figures. Leaf is officially almost 12s, but has been clocked at about 10s. Ioniq is officially 0-100km/h in 9.9s but has been clocked to do 0-60mph in 8.1s. I'd say the eGolf does about 8s too.

Of course more power is always quicker and better and I haven't driven the eGolf myself, but it would be absurd to call it slow. 8s is probably quicker than about 90% of all cars on the road in this country.

Rest of the post is true

Ioniq does not do 0-100 in 8.1

Maybe down a mountain or behind a 150kmh gail

Every auto test i have seen puts it in high 9's, huge difference between that and 8.1

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TROwTnHnrso

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why would you need it to be 200bhp? Have you even drove the current eGolf or the older model? I find the performance better than my old 2.ltr TDi

In terms of range to remember the eGolf was only released in 2014. They have actually done fairly well to get to 35.8kWh battery in 3 years.

Think about it, Nissan released the Leaf in 2011 and are only getting to 40kWh battery now.

VW have also switched all dev now to ID. The current eGolf will be final version.

eGolf review here. He seems impressed all round with it and should have similar range to the 2018 Leaf (a little less probably).

Likewise with the Golf GTE

I think its also a pretty decent effort from VW to get the eGolf to where it is when, presumably, it was never designed with EV in mind, so to cram 36kWh of battery in there and maintain the mainstream appeal of a Golf is impressive I think (unlike Ford's effort of converting the Focus to EV :rolleyes:)

One would hope that a VW EV designed from the ground up will be even more impressive. It does show that once the big German brands decide they want to do it they will have no problem doing so (notwithstanding the battery shortage issues, which will be addressed in time).

Now if they could only make the eGolf a bit more affordable. Its all well and good to say its comparable to a GTD but thats not the majority. VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Now if they could only make the eGolf a bit more affordable. Its all well and good to say its comparable to a GTD but thats not the majority. VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket.

To be honest no they don't. This was posted on facebook.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/30/europe-august-2017/

eGolf is out selling everything bar the Zoe. In the US the waiting list is huge for eGolf.

Answer me this. If you are in market for a Micra or Clio, would you really go in and test drive a Golf and expect to pay the same price? Not in a hope.

The eGolf is for a different car class and to be honest Ireland seems to be the only country that automatically think Electric car and then cheap. Why do you need to move down in class of car just so you can drive electric?

VW are 100% right, why would you degrade the Golf name by dropping the price. That is what Nissan have done and to be honest have ruined the Leaf. The depreciation is massive, look at the eGolf and they are holding there value.

In the US, the comparison is between eGolf or Tesla 3. Not eGolf v Leaf.

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

To be honest no they don't. This was posted on facebook.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/30/europe-august-2017/

eGolf is out selling everything bar the Zoe. In the US the waiting list is huge for eGolf.

Answer me this. If you are in market for a Micra or Clio, would you really go in and test drive a Golf and expect to pay the same price? Not in a hope.

The eGolf is for a different car class and to be honest Ireland seems to be the only country that automatically think Electric car and then cheap. Why do you need to move down in class of car just so you can drive electric?

VW are 100% right, why would you degrade the Golf name by dropping the price. That is what Nissan have done and to be honest have ruined the Leaf. The depreciation is massive, look at the eGolf and they are holding there value.

In the US, the comparison is between eGolf or Tesla 3. Not eGolf v Leaf.

I said, "VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket."
I didn't say they should devalue the Golf brand.

I do think they should make the eGolf more affordable though. As you have pointed out, if its selling well then they don't have to and the reality is they probably don't have the battery capacity to sell more so why reduce the price. The market is not yet mature enough for price battles to occur.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

I said, "VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket."
I didn't say they should devalue the Golf brand.

I do think they should make the eGolf more affordable though. As you have pointed out, if its selling well then they don't have to and the reality is they probably don't have the battery capacity to sell more so why reduce the price. The market is not yet mature enough for price battles to occur.

They already have a car out in the Leaf price bracket

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/up-pa/which-model-compare/details/2800#!#overview

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They already have a car out in the Leaf price bracket

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/up-pa/which-model-compare/details/2800#!#overview

Seriously!?
18kWh?

You think thats the VW competition for 2018 Leaf!

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

To be honest no they don't. This was posted on facebook.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/30/europe-august-2017/

eGolf is out selling everything bar the Zoe. In the US the waiting list is huge for eGolf.

Just looking into that article a bit more. You need to flick it to the YTD figures rather than the August figures. It paints a very different picture so I don't think your statement of "eGolf is out selling everything bar the Zoe" is really true.

I suspect August(Q2/Q3 in general) would have been very bad for the Leaf in anticipation of the Sep reveal of Leaf II.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Seriously!?
18kWh?

You think thats the VW competition for 2018 Leaf!

You said "VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket."

The e-Up is in the price range and to be fair 75-103miles in summer is similar to what the current 24kWh Leaf is getting. You never mentioned anything about the 2018 model.

e-Up's range depends on how you drive. Measured on the New European Drive Cycle, the new VW e-Up electric car has a theoretical range of 99 miles. However, wary of over-stating the case and being pilloried by stranded customers, VW revises that figure, suggesting that a more realistic expectation should be 75-103 miles in summer and 50-75 miles in winter.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/e-up

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You said "VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket."

The e-Up is in the price range and to be fair 75-103miles in summer is similar to what the current 24kWh Leaf is getting. You never mentioned anything about the 2018 model.

e-Up's range depends on how you drive. Measured on the New European Drive Cycle, the new VW e-Up electric car has a theoretical range of 99 miles. However, wary of over-stating the case and being pilloried by stranded customers, VW revises that figure, suggesting that a more realistic expectation should be 75-103 miles in summer and 50-75 miles in winter.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/e-up

Whatever!
We're OT.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Just looking into that article a bit more. You need to flick it to the YTD figures rather than the August figures. It paints a very different picture so I don't think your statement of "eGolf is out selling everything bar the Zoe" is really true.

I suspect August(Q2/Q3 in general) would have been very bad for the Leaf in anticipation of the Sep reveal of Leaf II.

You said "Now if they could only make the eGolf a bit more affordable. Its all well and good to say its comparable to a GTD but thats not the majority. VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket."

My point is they don't need to as the current eGolf is selling. Correct?

The YTD figures would not be great as new eGolf is only started shipping as well.....

I use the figures more of a guide to how the eGolf is selling outside of Ireland........

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You said "Now if they could only make the eGolf a bit more affordable. Its all well and good to say its comparable to a GTD but thats not the majority. VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket."

My point is they don't need to as the current eGolf is selling. Correct?

The YTD figures would not be great as new eGolf is only started shipping as well.....

I use the figures more of a guide to how the eGolf is selling outside of Ireland........

I agree, said so in post 13.

Wisesmurf

The thing about the E-Golf is it looks like a normal Golf. That is the thing that will help it sell (that and it being a VW I assume).

It might ruffle a few feathers but the Leaf and Ioniq are not conventionally good looking cars and in my opinion the I3 is hideous looking.

I'm sure my next car will be an electric car but the missus won't consider the Leaf or Ionic (I'd love an Ioniq). The more these cars start to look like normal cars the more they'll be adopted.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

I agree, said so in post 13.

:P Sorry I had posted before I seen....

Going forward the I.D seems to be answer to all questions.

It is not a single car either. They seem to have 5 across the range
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111692_volkswagens-5-electric-cars-start-in-2019-what-we-know-so-far

The choice I think you are looking for.

I would love to tour the Australian outback in the buzz :cool:

Shefwedfan

Wisesmurf wrote: »

The thing about the E-Golf is it looks like a normal Golf. That is the thing that will help it sell (that and it being a VW I assume).

It might ruffle a few feathers but the Leaf and Ioniq are not conventionally good looking cars and in my opinion the I3 is hideous looking.

I'm sure my next car will be an electric car but the missus won't consider the Leaf or Ionic (I'd love an Ioniq). The more these cars start to look like normal cars the more they'll be adopted.

Exactly, to gain mass up take electric cars need to look like "normal" cars.

One of the things I love about the eGolf is you would never think it is electric. More or less it is exact same as Diesel/Petrol Golf apart from a few tweaks.

Just because you are driving an electric car you don't need to shout it from the roof tops.

Casati

unkel wrote: »

eGolf has 136BHP and does 0-100km/h in 9s

That's the same aceleration as the extremely light weight original Golf GTI Mk1

And most EVs are quicker in real life than their official figures. Leaf is officially almost 12s, but has been clocked at about 10s. Ioniq is officially 0-100km/h in 9.9s but has been clocked to do 0-60mph in 8.1s. I'd say the eGolf does about 8s too.

Of course more power is always quicker and better and I haven't driven the eGolf myself, but it would be absurd to call it slow. 8s is probably quicker than about 90% of all cars on the road in this country.

Really? You are saying on average ev's are 20% faster to 100kmph than the manufacturers figures? Manufacturers are not know for dumbing down performance and economy claims so why do you presume they do it only for e.v's?

billy few mates

KCross wrote: »

eGolf review here. He seems impressed all round with it and should have similar range to the 2018 Leaf (a little less probably).

Likewise with the Golf GTE

I think its also a pretty decent effort from VW to get the eGolf to where it is when, presumably, it was never designed with EV in mind, so to cram 36kWh of battery in there and maintain the mainstream appeal of a Golf is impressive I think (unlike Ford's effort of converting the Focus to EV :rolleyes:)

One would hope that a VW EV designed from the ground up will be even more impressive. It does show that once the big German brands decide they want to do it they will have no problem doing so (notwithstanding the battery shortage issues, which will be addressed in time).

Now if they could only make the eGolf a bit more affordable. Its all well and good to say its comparable to a GTD but thats not the majority. VW need an EV in the Leaf price bracket.

Nice reviews...

unkel

thierry14 wrote: »

Ioniq does not do 0-100 in 8.1

I said 0-60mph (97km/h). And yes it does:

Linky


It always felt a good bit quicker than the official 9.9s to me (in sport mode only, it does not feel quicker than the official 10.2s in normal mode) and I have a fairly good feel for guessing these figures. That's why I went to look for back up of what I felt.

Several clips on youtube where Ioniq does about 8s from 0-100km/h too, but these are harder to verify obviously than the above website, which is impartial

Casati wrote: »

Really? You are saying on average ev's are 20% faster to 100kmph than the manufacturers figures?

I've found the figures for Ioniq and Leaf and given that the eGolf has a better power to weight than Ioniq, I assume it will be at least just as quick. That said it could very well be electronically limited. So I'm the first to say that the real acceleration of the eGolf is unknown. And with any of these FWD EVs, you need perfect traction to make these figures. Speaking as an Ioniq owner, you certainly don't get perfect traction all of the time. I'll probably fit different tyres to improve traction once these ones are on the way out.

billy few mates

Just looking at the charging time for the eGolf...
17 hours on a standard three pin plug.
10 hours on a standard EV charger
45 minutes (to 80%) fast charger.

Presumably those figures for the first two are from zero charge to 100% fully charged?

How plentiful are the fast chargers?
If for example I wanted to drive to Limerick in an eGolf, would I be able to find a few of these on the way so I could plan a 45 minute tea break to recharge the battery or do I need to be planning on having to stop somewhere for a long period to charge up?

Those charge points that I see dotted all over the place in public car parks and on the side of the road, are they fast chargers or how long realistically would I have to plug into one of them to get a decent charge?

I don't mind planning a stop for a charge on a journey from Dublin to Limerick (for example) but my 'range anxiety' would be the fear that when I got to the Barack Obama Plaza (for example) I would find a queue of other EV owners with a similar idea ahead of me or the charger out of service.

KCross

billy few mates wrote: »

Just looking at the charging time for the eGolf...
17 hours on a standard three pin plug.
10 hours on a standard EV charger
45 minutes (to 80%) fast charger.

Presumably those figures for the first two are from zero charge to 100% fully charged?

How plentiful are the fast chargers?
If for example I wanted to drive to Limerick in an eGolf, would I be able to find a few of these on the way so I could plan a 45 minute tea break to recharge the battery or do I need to be planning on having to stop somewhere for a long period to charge up?

Those charge points that I see dotted all over the place in public car parks and on the side of the road, are they fast chargers or how long realistically would I have to plug into one of them to get a decent charge?

I don't mind planning a stop for a charge on a journey from Dublin to Limerick (for example) but my 'range anxiety' would be the fear that when I got to the Barack Obama Plaza (for example) I would find a queue of other EV owners with a similar idea ahead of me or the charger out of service.

You need to look here:
https://www.esb.ie/our-businesses/ecars/charge-point-map

The "CCS" checkbox is the one you need to turn on to see the rapid chargers(blue icons) and charge at about 45kW
The "Type 2" checkbox (green icons) are the slower chargers and will charge an eGolf at <7kW. Not sure if the eGolf has 3.3 or 6.6kW charger on board.

3-pin socket home charging would be at about 2kW
Proper 32A home charge point would be at 7kW and obviously 16A charge point is half that.

KCross

Looking at the Irish VW spec the 2017 eGolf is €37k after grant inc metallic and delivery charges.

https://www.volkswagen.ie/content/dam/vw-ngw/vw_pkw/importers/ie/downloads/product-guides/171002-new-e-golf-september-2017.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./171002-new-e-golf-september-2017.pdf


Only has 3.6kW standard charging. I don't see any option to upgrade that to 7kW. Thats unfortunate particularly since its a 35.8kWh battery. You'd think with a battery that size they'd have 7kW home charging as standard.

Looks like they will also allow towing.

Shefwedfan

billy few mates wrote: »

Just looking at the charging time for the eGolf...
17 hours on a standard three pin plug.
10 hours on a standard EV charger
45 minutes (to 80%) fast charger.

Presumably those figures for the first two are from zero charge to 100% fully charged?

How plentiful are the fast chargers?
If for example I wanted to drive to Limerick in an eGolf, would I be able to find a few of these on the way so I could plan a 45 minute tea break to recharge the battery or do I need to be planning on having to stop somewhere for a long period to charge up?

Those charge points that I see dotted all over the place in public car parks and on the side of the road, are they fast chargers or how long realistically would I have to plug into one of them to get a decent charge?

I don't mind planning a stop for a charge on a journey from Dublin to Limerick (for example) but my 'range anxiety' would be the fear that when I got to the Barack Obama Plaza (for example) I would find a queue of other EV owners with a similar idea ahead of me or the charger out of service.

I charged mine at weekend from 6km left on battery. It was on granny cable and it said 9 hours to charge.

Dublin to Limerick is 210m(well from my house). You should be able to do that on a single charge. Not if planning on going 120km, you will need to find the sweet spot for car, mine is around 110km.

I do know in the Leaf the distance tool is not great. I have found on eGolf it is more or less spot on. Well after the initial 10km. So mine will start off with 190km and then I will drive for 10-20 mins and it will give me more or less the right distance.

Have done a couple of trips now to Cavan. It is more or less on the limit of my eGolf hence getting down to the 6km. But I can put into maps the destination, then it will show up on car distance to destination and how many km left. It puts it in section beside speedo so really handy to check as going along. So sometimes I need to flick off the old heating and I get in range.

Also you have 3 different modes(Normal, Eco, Eco+). For the Cavan trip I normally just flick it into Eco to give me that bit of extra distance. Eco mode just restricts the acceleration a bit and also you cannot go over 120km. The air con gets restricted as well.

Then if I get to really worry like last weekend because I didn't charge the car the night before I will flick to Eco+(only for last 30km which was on back roads anyway). It really slows down acceleration, restricts to 90km and no heating etc allowed. Only very rare time I use that mode.

billy few mates

Thanks Shefwedfan, great information there. I wonder how many people (possibly like me) would be needlessly put off EVs over range anxiety issues that really aren't an issue? Perhaps the manufacturers should do more to allay our  fears?
I'd love the opportunity to borrow one for a day or so to see how I'd manage that particular trip that's the main stumbling block to me buying a full EV, once I'd seen for myself that it was easily manageable I'd be more likely to take the plunge and buy one. 
Guesstimated figures on a website will always be taken with a pinch of salt (especially after dieselgate), if I thought I'd never be able to do that trip there and back without a lot of careful planning and a good deal of luck I probably wouldn't buy one, if I thought I'd be able to do it with the minor inconvenience of a short tea break on the way, I think I probably would.

KCross

The dealer should be able to loan you one for a day or two... maybe a weekend.
The other EV dealers do.

Shefwedfan

billy few mates wrote: »

Thanks Shefwedfan, great information there. I wonder how many people (possibly like me) would be needlessly put off EVs over range anxiety issues that really aren't an issue? Perhaps the manufacturers should do more to allay our fears?
I'd love the opportunity to borrow one for a day or so to see how I'd manage that particular trip that's the main stumbling block to me buying a full EV, once I'd seen for myself that it was easily manageable I'd be more likely to take the plunge and buy one.
Guesstimated figures on a website will always be taken with a pinch of salt (especially after dieselgate), if I thought I'd never be able to do that trip there and back without a lot of careful planning and a good deal of luck I probably wouldn't buy one, if I thought I'd be able to do it with the minor inconvenience of a short tea break on the way, I think I probably would.

I would go to dealer and ask for loan, I did a loan of Leaf to see if I wanted to go electric and then bought eGolf. Took it over a weekend to see if it worked for me. To be honest when I first started looking at electric cars I never knew eGolf existed. Once I seen it I knew I wanted one :P

I think the manufacturer have tried to allay our fears, the issue is the salesman in the local garage doesn't have a clue. They don't know how to sell it. I have said it before, how many people in Dublin buying Diesel/Petrol Golf should actually be buying an electric one only the dealer never offers it or doesn't know how to sell it.

In US/Europe the eGolf is flying out the doors, they can't get enough stock of them. In Ireland I think we have a total of 5, at least 2 are imports from UK(mine is). So that is 3 new ones sold. Joke.

No guesstimate with me. I get 16kWh/100km. That is after driving since March in it. So on the newer version that would work out over 220km. The onboard computer holds long term performance information.

Another eGolf user in Ireland is getting around 12-13kWh/100km. He has a lighter foot than me. So he would be closer to the 300km but I have chatted to him and 220-240km on new eGolf should be well within limits. If you stay within the 100-110km. At 120km I don't know, I only do short distances at 120km and never track it.

I do recommend taking one for test drive, I swapped an A6 for it and I have never looked back.

billy few mates

Thanks Shefwedfan, pardon my ignorance but what does the '12kwh/100km and 16kwh/100km' translate to in layman's terms...?
I know it's a measure of him many miles you can get for the amount of electricity you put into it but what does it roughly equate to or compare with in real terms?

cros13

Well we pay for electricity in kWh (which is analogous to "units" on your bill).
I'm with energia who have a 6.65 cents per kWh night rate including VAT.
It's as simple as multiplying your unit rate by then kWh/100km efficiency to get what 100km of driving is going to cost you.

So for my 187km commute in a 15kWh/100km EV:

Efficiency * distance * unit rate = cost of my commute in cents
15 x 1.87 x 6.65 = 186.5325

So excluding the ~10% losses during charging my commute costs €1.87 in 'leccy.

The same commute in a Tesla Model S 100D (21kWh/100km):

21 x 1.87 x 6.65 = 261.1455 (€2.61)

Shefwedfan

billy few mates wrote: »

Thanks Shefwedfan, pardon my ignorance but what does the '12kwh/100km and 16kwh/100km' translate to in layman's terms...?
I know it's a measure of him many miles you can get for the amount of electricity you put into it but what does it roughly equate to or compare with in real terms?

Ok so your standard car(petrol/diesel) give you x.xltr/100km. So my current Galaxy does 7.7ltr/100km. So to do 100km it takes 7.7ltr of diesel. So the Galaxy has a 70ltr tank then you should get 900km per fill. Very rough maths

So my current eGolf, I get 16kWh/100km. The battery is 24.2KW. So I should get circa 150km per charge. I never get down to below 20km apart from last week and that was because I forgot to charge. On a standard day I only would use half the battery.......

The new eGolf has 35.8KW battery. Based on 16kWh/100km I am currently getting you should expect 223km per charge. Again rough maths

As mentioned I have heavy foot so conservative driving could drive up that number.

cros has done the maths in terms of cost per charge.

Also this could be an option longer term :P:P
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/this-startup-nearly-tripled-the-vw-e-golfs-battery-capacity/
With that battery I could do a nice 360km

pearsefitz

Great thread on the topic. I am going to test drive the vw 2015 egolf and a 2017 vw gte. My question is I like to drive a car at a decent pace occasionally and want to be eco for my short work commute 20-30 mins. I don't do long journeys in my car.i do 6000-7000k a year.
Should I get rid of my 2015 (1) VW diesel for the 2017 gte or the 2015 e-golf?
Should you buy just brand new electric or hybrid?
I presume the grants are for the brand new models. I think Ireland taxing on them is backward like all car related things here.
Another question running cost per month/ #km's?
Any GTE owners got two cents...
Thanks for any replies

grange girl

Hi Pearse, I'm relatively new with my GTE and loving it, fits our bill exactly - lots of local driving on electric with my work and the petrol for return trips to look after elderly relatives (yesterday's trip took 6 hours, including travel to doctors etc, and was 260km, mostly motorway).
But if you don't do lots of long journeys, why bother going for the GTE - you are carrying round a petrol engine when you don't need it. And once you drive electric, you won't want to hear the petrol engine ever again.

Casati

grange girl wrote: »

Hi Pearse, I'm relatively new with my GTE and loving it, fits our bill exactly - lots of local driving on electric with my work and the petrol for return trips to look after elderly relatives (yesterday's trip took 6 hours, including travel to doctors etc, and was 260km, mostly motorway).
But if you don't do lots of long journeys, why bother going for the GTE - you are carrying round a petrol engine when you don't need it. And once you drive electric, you won't want to hear the petrol engine ever again.

What kind of economy do you get on the motorway?

unkel

pearsefitz wrote: »

My question is I like to drive a car at a decent pace occasionally and want to be eco for my short work commute 20-30 mins. I don't do long journeys in my car.i do 6000-7000k a year.

eGolf.

Shefwedfan

pearsefitz wrote: »

Great thread on the topic. I am going to test drive the vw 2015 egolf and a 2017 vw gte. My question is I like to drive a car at a decent pace occasionally and want to be eco for my short work commute 20-30 mins. I don't do long journeys in my car.i do 6000-7000k a year.
Should I get rid of my 2015 (1) VW diesel for the 2017 gte or the 2015 e-golf?
Should you buy just brand new electric or hybrid?
I presume the grants are for the brand new models. I think Ireland taxing on them is backward like all car related things here.
Another question running cost per month/ #km's?
Any GTE owners got two cents...
Thanks for any replies

If you are doing a short commute and loads of short trips why bother going for GTE? The eGolf will be perfect. I have the 2015 model, 60km round trip to work so then have over "half a tank" left for other running around during the day.

You can get a charge point installed fairly cheaply but I would include in your maths. Worst case keep 1k in there.

The eGolf is a joy to drive. I get 120-140km per charge. Another eGolf user is getting 170km per charge so it does depend on your driving style. I would be more aggressive and 120km is very easily done.

Don't mind the grants, they are on new cars. You can pick up eGolf second hand at a decent price and should be able to trade in the diesel Golf for good money as garage will sell to the many diesel lovers out there.

Not sure how much it costs per charge at home. I swapped to night/day meter when I installed. I have washing machine/dish washer etc with delay button on them. so at 1 in the morning everything kick in....I think my bill might have gone up by 10 euro per month but hard to know if it was car as number of extras was added in house at same time.....

Casati

You've a 151 Golf TDI and do 7000km per year? My advise would be to get a Golf GTi or Golf R and enjoy the performance, whatever car you drive your fuel costs will be tiny

billy few mates

I would definitely get the eGolf...

pearsefitz

Thanks for the feedback. I drove the GTE in busy M50 traffic and the automatic and quiet electric is awesome. But later this evening I went a good length on and off an empty motorway with GTE on. The km range for electric dropped loads but to be fair I was slow to. 0-60. As a former 2000 GTi owner it brought me back. Was very nippy. I walked around the egolf and it is what it good. But the GTE appeals to me so much more. It says when in traffic I'm sensible and eco friendly, lt also says when ye want to cruise or enjoy a good drive ye can.
Forgot to ask the dealer what happens when all the electric battery is gone is it a petrol sipping only mode a slow car. Looking at them both side by side it comes down to desire over practicality. Will crunch the numbers and see if I change.
A different option was a passat GTE also but I won't change topic. So far I'm very GTE swayed. Unless there is a very well specked egolf in 2018

unkel

Don't make your mind up until you have driven the eGolf, pearsefitz! Do some sums as well.

Shefwedfan

pearsefitz wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback. I drove the GTE in busy M50 traffic and the automatic and quiet electric is awesome. But later this evening I went a good length on and off an empty motorway with GTE on. The km range for electric dropped loads but to be fair I was slow to. 0-60. As a former 2000 GTi owner it brought me back. Was very nippy. I walked around the egolf and it is what it good. But the GTE appeals to me so much more. It says when in traffic I'm sensible and eco friendly, lt also says when ye want to cruise or enjoy a good drive ye can.
Forgot to ask the dealer what happens when all the electric battery is gone is it a petrol sipping only mode a slow car. Looking at them both side by side it comes down to desire over practicality. Will crunch the numbers and see if I change.
A different option was a passat GTE also but I won't change topic. So far I'm very GTE swayed. Unless there is a very well specked egolf in 2018

It does depend on your driving style. I prefer spinning around back road, corners/turns etc than flat out speed on motorway. In that situation I find the eGolf is brilliant. Better than the 2Ltr Golf I had before....

Then for day to day driving I spend majority of time in Dublin or on M50 area so it is perfect as well for that because you are normally averaging at 60km at most per day. Also in the city the performance of electric is perfect for getting around the inner city roads.....

grange girl

Casati wrote: »

What kind of economy do you get on the motorway?

For our longer trips, looking at the data in the car (I got the distance wrong in my comment from memory yesterday, it was more like 400km), it's up to 50mpg. But that would be motorway at 120 km almost all of the time. (and the hubby was doing the travelling the other day and goes on hybrid only, 'this electric does my head in'). When I am doing the trip, I slip between electric and hybrid and get better mpg.

I don't use electric on my GTE for any driving over 80 kmh (unless I know I have loads in the tank to get home), it kills the battery levels, prefer to keep them for the city driving.

When you run out of battery on the GTE, you are on petrol only but that doesn't make any sense. You have control, so flick between electric or hybrid depending on what driving you are doing. If you are at 0, the car automatically changes to hybrid and will use the petrol motor to build up the level of the electric battery a bit.

Try the egolf, unless you need the petrol engine, it's crazy to have it, it's an expensive dead weight.

unkel

grange girl wrote: »

unless you need the petrol engine, it's crazy to have it, it's an expensive dead weight.

Worse than a dead weight. There's a lot extra motor tax, insurance, maintenance and fuel costs...

billy few mates

unkel wrote: »

Don't make your mind up until you have driven the eGolf, pearsefitz! Do some sums as well.

I’ve never driven the EGolf, I didn’t think any of the dealers had any to drive, I’ve driven the GTE a couple of times and I love that.
I’ve only seen the online reviewsand videos of the EGolf and I just know I would love that. I’ve seen a couple up close on the continent recently and I thought it a pity they didn’t make it look a bit sportier like the GTE but then again I suppose that’s not what they’re trying to do. This is a fully functional Golf that looks exactly like the rest of its non sporty stablemates except it’s electric and doesn’t scream it at you.
I’d buy one in the morning if I could find a slightly used one at the right price.

unkel

billy few mates wrote: »

I’d buy one in the morning if I could find a slightly used one at the right price.

Did you try ringing Phil? He might be able to source one for you. I think that's how Shefwedfan got his too.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Did you try ringing Phil? He might be able to source one for you. I think that's how Shefwedfan got his too.

Phil has none at the moment, was just down with him:p

He has new guy working with him....Mark.....very nice....he never knew an eGolf existed till someone walked in last week asking about it