World Boxing Super Series Thread

megadodge

Burial. wrote: »

Another tidy lineup of fights for the weekend. As well as the above, Zurdo Ramirez and Oscar Valdez are defending their belts in the States.

Most looking forward to Dorticos/Kudrya though. 42 wins between the two, 41 by KO. Dorticos is not your typical Cuban fighter although technically he's very sound. Big puncher though....his fight with Kalenga was outstanding, even more so when both lads had their gloves dipped in vinegar... Kudryashov probably has the most devastating power in all of Boxing, but he's pretty limited...but if anyone has a real puncher's chance it's him. Freakish power.

Where can I see the Dorticos/Kudryashov fight?

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

Pretty sure this'll be available to stream on their site like Usyk/Huck was. You'd imagine some kind soul from Russia will throw up a YT stream too. "Oi oi oi oi oi *insert some Russian* knockoutttt"

megadodge

pac_man wrote: »

ITV Box Office (Sky Channel 493). That's just the name of the channel, the fight itself will obviously be free.

That's a HD channel and I don't have any HD channel. Is there an ordinary version available?

walshb

Rob Brant

ITV box office is only HD. No SD available.

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

Full fight for anyone who didn't catch it.

Impressive enough from Dorticos. Beautiful shot to end it. I laughably picked him to win this out at the start but if he catches lads with the sort of punches he can throw he has every chance of beating Uysk/Gassiev/Briedis. Well able to box too. Not sure what Kudryashov does now... A fight with Kalenga would be fun. Although I think a move to HW wouldn't be a bad shout. Cruiserweight is packed with absolute freaks with ridiculous boxing ability as well as power...Usyk, Gassiev, Briedis, Dorticos, Lebedev all technically very good. Kudryashov does have ridiculous power but at Heavy he might have more joy against less technical guys. He missed weight by a little but you'd imagine it was a tough cut and he looks huge.

walshb

Rob Brant

Very enjoyable 5 minute fight... natural power in those Cuban hands..

This tournament is great for boxing.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Very impressive from Dorticos, I hadn't seen him before. He just completely disrespected Kudryahov's power and walked through him.

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

normanoffside wrote: »

Very impressive from Dorticos, I hadn't seen him before. He just completely disrespected Kudryahov's power and walked through him.

Highly recommend his fight with Kalenga. Terrific fight.

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

Picked Dorticos and Eubank for the laugh on the other thread but sure why not I'll stick with it. Usyk did look better than I've ever seen him against Huck though and is obviously favourite. 168 is a toss up although I'd be quietly confident of Eubank winning out through sheer volume punching.

selectamatic

Mairis Briedis

Was surprised myself when I seen Eubank getting votes I assumed I'd be in the minority in picking him.
A combination of his seemingly relentless stamina, ability to string large volumes of fairly accurate shots together when he wants and his chin are the positives in my book.

Showboating, being lazy in rounds and or his ability to take a punch failing against better harder hitting opposition could be his downfall.

For the cruisers I went with Gassiev for the hell of it. Usyk is a clear fav but a number of them could steal this tournament from him especially if he gets complacent and or takes the wrong opponent for granted. Can't see him doing either truth be told but I'd still love to see Murat do well.

The cruiserweight division really is phenomenal at the moment it's no wonder Tony Bellew high tailed it outta there.

Edit: nail on the head pacman about the shambles of a broadcasting strategy in place at the moment it's the only thing really holding back this whole series from garnering the attention it truly deserves.

walshb

Rob Brant

Gassiev I hope wins it, but likely that boring powder puff Usyk pecks and pokes his way to a sh1tty tournament victory...

Eubank I think has the beating of a running on fumes Groves and way overrated Smith.

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

Usyk boring? Ah heeeeyor.

Win or lose I think Gassiev will move to Heavy. Looks absolutely huge for Cruiser as is and he's only 23!

walshb

Rob Brant

Burial. wrote: »

Usyk boring? Ah heeeeyor.

Win or lose I think Gassiev will move to Heavy. Looks absolutely huge for Cruiser as is and he's only 23!

He is boring. That southpaw amateur punching style. Its delivery. Its everything.

And before you jump in, I am not talking about his level of power.

dinorebel

Avni Yildirim

Dorticos and Groves for me

walshb

Rob Brant

It doesn't really say much for the SMW quality that Eubank, a blown up MW who has yet to really do anything of note is the favorite. I have picked him...

walshb

Rob Brant

selectamatic wrote: »

The cruiserweight division really is phenomenal at the moment it's no wonder Tony Bellew high tailed it outta there.

I am not Tony's biggest fan but I think the guy has balls and is not all that bothered who he faces.....

After all he did meet Haye, a man expected to do him real damage. Sure, the money was good, but Haye at the time was probably considered more dangerous than Tony staying at CW and fighting the best there.

I don't think he hightailed it out for reasons you do.

I would have loved to see Bellew in this tournament. Would have made for exciting bomber type fights.

selectamatic

Mairis Briedis

walshb wrote: »

I am not Tony's biggest fan but I think the guy has balls and is not all that bothered who he faces.....

After all he did meet Haye, a man expected to do him real damage. Sure, the money was good, but Haye at the time was probably considered more dangerous than Tony staying at CW and fighting the best there.

I don't think he hightailed it out for reasons you do.

I would have loved to see Bellew in this tournament. Would have made for exciting bomber type fights.

Jaysus I dunno Walsh for sure I'm being too harsh on Tony and tbh it's kinda tongue in cheek but him fighting a well past it David Haye isn't anywhere near as tough as him fighting some of these cw's. Id fancy a few of them to give him a right beating culminating in a stoppage. A lebedev fight is also one I'd have loved to have seen, that'd have been good viewing.

Money and a calculated risk assessment saw him make the move in my mind, especially since his prospective foe was an aging hw who is far from big going by today's standards. So it wasn't a huge step up; kinda like the point you made about ward vs kovalev but obviously not the same, similar nonetheless.

walshb

Rob Brant

selectamatic wrote: »

Jaysus I dunno Walsh for sure I'm being too harsh on Tony and tbh it's kinda tongue in cheek but him fighting a well past it David Haye isn't anywhere near as tough as him fighting some of these cw's. Id fancy a few of them to give him a right beating culminating in a stoppage. A lebedev fight is also one I'd have loved to have seen, that'd have been good viewing.

Money and a calculated risk assessment saw him make the move in my mind, especially since his prospective foe was an aging hw who is far from big going by today's standards. So it wasn't a huge step up; kinda like the point you made about ward vs kovalev but obviously not the same, similar nonetheless.

Well, at HW I don't think Haye was well past it when facing Tony, a LHW moving up to CW and HW.

Past it if facing a real elite HW, but coming back to face Bellew, I think we mostly predicted a clear KO win for Haye.

Go back in time to before the fight and I reckon the majority pick Tony to beat the CWs as opposed to beating Haye. Against Haye folks were thinking that his punches would not have been as effective.

They gave Tony very little chance vs. Haye. They would surely have given him more chance to beat the smaller CWs...

It was a pure money, certainty. As regards danger, then I would have to say that Haye, at the time, was the more dangerous option. Bellew is not fearful of the CWs, at least not as much at the time he was about to face Haye. I reckon he feared Haye more.

selectamatic

Mairis Briedis

I suppose I'm not sure how I felt about it really. I know I thought Haye would win via stoppage but I wasnt massively confident. Then when I seen him swinging inaccurately and wildly early on in the fight I was even less confident but still felt he'd land something to win. And then the injury happened. So we'll never know.

I'm still sceptical all the same when it comes to bellew. But I do get get where you're coming from.

This isnt really the thread for it though.

Sweet Science

I think Groves stops Eubank early enough . By the 5th anyway . Eubank didnt have the power at MW and obviously wont have it at SMW. Hes a knockout waiting to happen and Groves carries power in both hands.

walshb

Rob Brant

Sweet Science wrote: »

I think Groves stops Eubank early enough . By the 5th anyway . Eubank didnt have the power at MW and obviously wont have it at SMW. Hes a knockout waiting to happen and Groves carries power in both hands.

That is an interesting angle. I think folks may be banking on Eubank's sturdiness, chin and stamina/conditioning. But, maybe we are overrating the chin and its ability to take heavy shots at SMW.

If he can make this a close inside fight, roughing GG up and not giving him space then Eubank for me is favorite. The issue being getting in and maybe getting whacked hard to get in...

Eubank is not a huge hitter, but he can hit enough to get GGs attention.

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

That is an interesting angle. I think folks may be banking on Eubank's sturdiness, chin and stamina/conditioning. But, maybe we are overrating the chin and its ability to take heavy shots at SMW.

If he can make this a close inside fight, roughing GG up and not giving him space then Eubank for me is favorite. The issue being getting in and maybe getting whacked hard to get in...

Eubank is not a huge hitter, but he can hit enough to get GGs attention.

Oh i agree his output is insane . However he is easy to hit and i think that'll be his undoing.

HigginsJ

Rob Brant

I went with Usyk & Eubank Jr.. Usyk for me is one of the best fighters on the planet right now, he should be talked about more in the P4P lists & once he clears out the division he is talking about moving up to HW.

Eubank Jr. is a default choice in some ways, I'd find it impossible to trust either Groves or Smith at this point, although Smith should cruise to the final. The Turk will be no walkover for Eubank but he should get through. I fear George Groves has been to the well a few too many times at this point, think Eubank outlasts him for a 2-3 round points victory.

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

I can't get my head around Groves not being a clear favourite for this. Best pedigree by an absolute mile.

Then again, I remember his odds to beat Martin Murray being close and loads saying that was a 50/50 fight. Always gets underrated does Groves.

I reckon when the first round fights are over he might be favourite. He's going to annihilate Jamie Cox.

walshb

Rob Brant

Morrison J wrote: »

I can't get my head around Groves not being a clear favourite for this. Best pedigree by an absolute mile.

Then again, I remember his odds to beat Martin Murray being close and loads saying that was a 50/50 fight. Always gets underrated does Groves.

I reckon when the first round fights are over he might be favourite. He's going to annihilate Jamie Cox.

I think Eubank's style may match up well against Groves, causing a lot of discomfort for Groves.

Please don't do a GGG-Canelo buzz on this. Ramming it home how Groves can't lose, clearly wins, and then making excuses should it be very close/competitive, or god forbid, Eubank wins.:P

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

walshb wrote: »

I think Eubank's style may match up well against Groves, causing a lot of discomfort for Groves.

Please don't do a GGG-Canelo buzz on this. Ramming it home how Groves can't lose, clearly wins, and then making excuses should it be very close/competitive, or god forbid, Eubank wins.:P

Could make it difficult for him down the stretch I reckon but wouldn't concern me enough to pick him. Eubank has no power at the weight.

The same people who seem to think Billy Joe Saunders is the most limited boxer going are the same people picking Eubank to win this tournament. Has Eubank improved that much over the past two years?

Nah, when I have a strong opinion on a fight I'm going to say it. Been done to death at this stage but just because I got the method of victory wrong in one fight (got the actual winner right) doesn't mean I'm going to lay off giving any opinions.

walshb

Rob Brant

Morrison J wrote: »

Could make it difficult for him down the stretch I reckon but wouldn't concern me enough to pick him. Eubank has no power at the weight.

The same people who seem to think Billy Joe Saunders is the most limited boxer going are the same people picking Eubank to win this tournament. Has Eubank improved that much over the past two years?

Nah, when I have a strong opinion on a fight I'm going to say it. Been done to death at this stage but just because I got the method of victory wrong in one fight (got the actual winner right) doesn't mean I'm going to lay off giving any opinions.

A KO win or clear GG victory would not at all surprise me...

I will be rooting for Eubank.

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

walshb wrote: »

A KO win or clear GG victory would not at all surprise me...

I will be rooting for Eubank.

How do you see Eubank winning though? Stoppage or points?

walshb

Rob Brant

Morrison J wrote: »

How do you see Eubank winning though? Stoppage or points?

I see him winning a kind of war of attrition. I think he has a better inside game, and I think he makes it that. GG could keep this at long to mid range, but I reckon Junior closes distance and keeps this mid to close range for large spells. We could see a very jaded GG come rds 9-12. Close on points or late stoppage. Eubank will need to time GGs jab. Punch with it or counter it with timing. If he can take away GGs jab he wins this.

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

I see him winning a kind of war of attrition. I think he has a better inside game, and I think he makes it that. GG could keep this at long to mid range, but I reckon Junior closes distance and keeps this mid to close range for large spells. We could see a very jaded GG come rds 9-12. Close on points or late stoppage. Eubank will need to time GGs jab. Punch with it or counter it with timing. If he can take away GGs jab he wins this.

He has struggled to get rid of domestic level boxers at a lower weight class so i just cant see it . I understand your logic though . Its a fight im really looking forward to cant wait for it to happen

walshb

Rob Brant

Sweet Science wrote: »

He has struggled to get rid of domestic level boxers at a lower weight class so i just cant see it . I understand your logic though . Its a fight im really looking forward to cant wait for it to happen

I think it will be a belter. And there's something I like about Junior as a person-boxer. A swagger, but a likable swagger. Plus he is very articulate, and not always in a douche bag way!

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

walshb wrote:

I see him winning a kind of war of attrition. I think he has a better inside game, and I think he makes it that. GG could keep this at long to mid range, but I reckon Junior closes distance and keeps this mid to close range for large spells. We could see a very jaded GG come rds 9-12. Close on points or late stoppage. Eubank will need to time GGs jab. Punch with it or counter it with timing. If he can take away GGs jab he wins this.

So you're picking Eubank close on points or via stoppage but wouldn't be surprised if Groves won handy or via KO?

All your bases covered there at least.

I agree with the majority of that breakdown. Just think Eubank got dominated by Saunders jab in their fight until he tired and Groves' jab is far better and rangier than Saunders. Going to give Eubank fits imo.

walshb

Rob Brant

Morrison J wrote: »

So you're picking Eubank close on points or via stoppage but wouldn't be surprised if Groves won handy or via KO?

All your bases covered there at least.

I agree with the majority of that breakdown. Just think Eubank got dominated by Saunders jab in their fight until he tired and Groves' jab is far better and rangier than Saunders. Going to give Eubank fits imo.

Yes, covering all bases because Eubank isn't great. I just have a hunch that what he has matches up well vs. Groves .

Groves doing a number on him via points or KO is just as likely..

These two really do present several plausible results...

I will call it Eubank KO 12..

Joe Musashi

Rob Brant

Not impressed by Callum Smith at all. Picking Eubank in SMW tournament. Usyk will win the cruiserweight one I think. Should be some good fights ahead to look forward to.

megadodge

pac_man wrote: »

Mike Perez @7/2. Obviously has alot of questions to need to be answered but the talent is there. Really intrigued by this fight.

I suppose it's value if you believe in his talent, but I would find it hard to justify forking out any decent amount on him. I just don't trust that Cuban temperment.

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

Aside from him moving down and not really sure how it'll affect him, my biggest issue is that he has fought two rounds in over 2 and a half years of Boxing. One round in that CW tune up a while back and one against a roided up Povetkin who battered him while Perez was apparently drunk in the fight. Big question marks tbh....and he's fighting a bit of a monster in Briedis...but far worse upsets have definitely happened and there's no doubting his boxing ability.

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

walshb wrote: »

Yes, covering all bases because Eubank isn't great. I just have a hunch that what he has matches up well vs. Groves .

Groves doing a number on him via points or KO is just as likely..

These two really do present several plausible results...

I will call it Eubank KO 12..

I actually think Yildirim would be a worse style matchup for Groves. Steel chin, decent power, relentless pressure and stamina to go for days. Nightmare opponent for Groves. I definitely think Eubank has a lot of success late against Groves if it goes that long but not convincved Eubank has the power to stop him.

Really looking forward to Eubank - Yildirim this weekend. Think if Eubank fights smart and uses his legs he should get through it fine but Yildirim is no mug from what I've seen.

walshb

Rob Brant

Morrison J wrote: »

I actually think Yildirim would be a worse style matchup for Groves. Steel chin, decent power, relentless pressure and stamina to go for days. Nightmare opponent for Groves. I definitely think Eubank has a lot of success late against Groves if it goes that long but not convincved Eubank has the power to stop him.

Really looking forward to Eubank - Yildirim this weekend. Think if Eubank fights smart and uses his legs he should get through it fine but Yildirim is no mug from what I've seen.

I have only seen highlights of Yildrim, and I agree with your take. He's really solid. Bit slow and predictable, but will keep coming, so you better be hurting him somewhat. Could have a belter with him an Junior.

megadodge

What channel is the Eubank fight on this weekend?

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

Surely ITV Box Office considering he's their PPV star :pac:

megadodge

Burial. wrote: »

Surely ITV Box Office considering he's their PPV star :pac:

I don't have that channel. Is it true that the website is blocked in this part of the world?

Burial.

Murat Gassiev

megadodge wrote: »

I don't have that channel. Is it true that the website is blocked in this part of the world?

Think it was the other night. Likely YT will have a stream, probably in a different language but sometimes that's a blessing in disguise. If all came to all you can find VPN extensions on Chrome for free that'll VPN to England or the States or even France where the website stream should work for.

walshb

Rob Brant

I believe Eubank fight is PPV as opposed to free. No way I’m paying. It’s ITV BO channel 493 Sky.

All the broadcasting for the super six available on their website or ITV BO website.

I’ll probably miss a very good fight..

blade1

:pac::pac::pac:
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Mr.Ed

Any one order the Eubank fight on the ITV Box Office Site?
Tried to order the stream of it but when I got to pay it requires a post code and won't accept it blank if you put in an English postcode it rejects it as it doesn't match the billing address?? Pretty ****ty setup if you can't order the stream because of that!

walshb

Rob Brant

Mr.Ed wrote: »

Any one order the Eubank fight on the ITV Box Office Site?
Tried to order the stream of it but when I got to pay it requires a post code and won't accept it blank if you put in an English postcode it rejects it as it doesn't match the billing address?? Pretty ****ty setup if you can't order the stream because of that!

I was on the site earlier. Too much poxy messages no around to get it. I chose Sky viewing method and done rrror popped up about region.

Mr.Ed

walshb wrote: »

I was on the site earlier. Too much poxy messages no around to get it. I chose Sky viewing method and done rrror popped up about region.

Couldn't get around the payment thing ended up streaming it

Good win for Eubank might have been better if he got a few more rounds in but a good KO for him sets up an interesting fight with Groves most likely

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

Might be wrong but I can't see any way a heavyweight version would work. Not enough of them active firstly but also far too much money in each individual heavyweight fight for promotors to give up some control.

What incentive does Hearn have in putting Joshua into a heavyweight tournament on someone elses terms when he can fight Takam and sell 90k tickets and prob 800k PPV's.

Best division for one at the moment is 126 imo. Frampton, Santa Cruz, Russell Jr, Selby, Mares, Valdez, Quigg and Jojo Diaz. Would be amazing.

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

pac_man wrote: »

It depends on what agreements are made but apparently there will be big money involved in this tournament for the heavyweights and probably more than what Joshua was currently earns for a fight.

Joshua making 20m for this fight against Takam apparently. If they have money to beat that then it's a different story altogether I agree. Fact there's 25m worth of total prize money in each of the two tournaments so far would make that hard to foresee but.

Hopefully it happens. Exactly the kind of shake up the heavyweight division needs.

titan18

Morrison J wrote: »

Might be wrong but I can't see any way a heavyweight version would work. Not enough of them active firstly but also far too much money in each individual heavyweight fight for promotors to give up some control.

What incentive does Hearn have in putting Joshua into a heavyweight tournament on someone elses terms when he can fight Takam and sell 90k tickets and prob 800k PPV's.

Best division for one at the moment is 126 imo. Frampton, Santa Cruz, Russell Jr, Selby, Mares, Valdez, Quigg and Jojo Diaz. Would be amazing.

I'd love to see it at 115 or 175.

115 is already doing it pretty much but need to get Ancajas and Yafai in with Inoue, Rungvisia, Cuadras and Estrada.

At 175, with Ward's retirement, you've got a whole host of free belts here, and some excellent fighters. Could have Stevenson, Kovalev, Barrera, Jack, Alvarez, Gvodzyk, Beterbiev and Bivol.

140 would be ripe for it too if Crawford moves up as all the belts become available.

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

titan18 wrote: »

I'd love to see it at 115 or 175.

115 is already doing it pretty much but need to get Ancajas and Yafai in with Inoue, Rungvisia, Cuadras and Estrada.

At 175, with Ward's retirement, you've got a whole host of free belts here, and some excellent fighters. Could have Stevenson, Kovalev, Barrera, Jack, Alvarez, Gvodzyk, Beterbiev and Bivol.

140 would be ripe for it too if Crawford moves up as all the belts become available.

Aye and with Crawford moving up one at 147 would be tasty. Crawford, Thurman, Spence, Garcia, Porter, Brook, Khan, Pacquiao. Another "money" division where I doubt it's feasible though unfortunately.