iPhone X - Discussion

eeloe

Let's keep this thread for discussion of the X only.

I can see the other threads getting pretty messy as time goes on.

waynegalway

My initial reaction is that I'm a bit underwhelmed.

I have a 6, and if money was no object and I *had* to buy a new phone, I'd probably go for the 8, and if money *was* an object and I still *had* to get a new phone, I think I'd be happy enough with the 7.

The screen size on the 6,7 and 8 is ideal for me. I know the X fits a bigger screen onto more or less the same form factor, but for me that screen is just too big for comfortable use. Others will love it, of course. I initially moved away from Apple because the Galaxy S3 had the "right" size screen for me when it came out, and 5-ish years later, 4.7 inch is still "right" for me.

I also think that FaceID is something that I'll come around to in time, but for now TouchID works just fine for me. It's fast and reliable. Plus, if someone nicks an iPhoneX all they have to do is point it at your face and it's unlocked. I know there are more barriers within the OS that will stop serious break-ins based on a simple unlock, but privacy at least could be compromised.

Just my initial thoughts. I'd say it's like most things Apple do (including the original iPhone in many ways): it'll be well worth getting on board with when it has matured a bit and we get used to the way the tech has shifted.

Casualcontrol1

I don't think the iPhone x is anything wow. Yes it has pretty cool features but in comparison to the iPhone 8 the main differences I can get is the screen resolution the screen itself the face id and maybe something else can't remember! I have the 5s at the moment so badly need an upgrade and have been waiting all summer for this, was going for the 7 but held off.

eeloe

I was weighing up options about buying in the states...with the way the exchange rate is now, won't save that much.

1149 for the 256gb model over there + tax.....you're still talking in or around the same, maybe a saving of 80euro or so. and you won't be able to get irish applecare+ on a US device.

awec

I'm on a 6s+, there's not really enough new in the 8 to justify an upgrade and the 10 is just not worth the money. The screen looks nice but I will wait until touchid is back. Current phone should have another year in it, though I guess it depends on how good it runs iOS11.

Cyrus

i have a 7plus, i tried a samsung s8 for a bit and liked the size (the 7 plus is a tad unwieldy) but cant get along with android

apple whore that i am, ill get the x :pac:

dave oc

One question I have is will Face ID work for all apps that already support Touch ID? I was trying to dig around some of the dev pages to figure this out, I think it might be the case but not sure. If not, this would be a deal breaker for me. A lot of apps I use rely of touch ID, which would be a pain to go back and start using password/pin.

Anyone have any idea?

Four Winds

It's utterly ridiculous that you need a dongle to charge the X on the new Macbook (still using USB A to lightening).

murpho999

Mr.S wrote: »

$1,056 incl tax (Washington DC in this example) for the 64GB X = approx €890 (lets say €900 to be allow for bank rates)

Same phone here will cost you €1,179 so a saving of €279, not to sniffed at!

Obviously a bit silly to fly over to just buy the phone but everyone knows someone going to the states around Christmas

If you're planning to do this than get Revolut card. Gives batter rates and you don't pay any fees.

More info here.

super_furry

Really fail to see why this wasn't just presented as the 8 or why the 8 needs to exist at all now, outside of Apple trying to sell a premium on top of an already premium phone.

Leaves a sour taste in the mouth as a consumer.

Four Winds

super_furry wrote: »

Really fail to see why this wasn't just presented as the 8 or why the 8 needs to exist at all now, outside of Apple trying to sell a premium on top of an already premium phone.

Leaves a sour taste in the mouth as a consumer.

Because I really don't think it's going to be that popular compared to the 8. That gap on the screen looks woeful. Face ID tech looks brilliant, but not good enough nor practical enough to replace touch ID for me.

I don't think they truly believe in it either. They said at the announcement it was a glimpse into the future...a prototype of sorts.

mad muffin

I'm going to get the 256GB model but I see this phone full of compromises for lack of home button.

No reachability.

Having to swipe down from the right for control centre. And the left for notifications. Why not from the bottom left and right?

No battery percentage indicator?

No 3G/4G indicator?

It has fast charging but you need to buy the charger and cable separately. You'd think for the price they'd include them?

Half the brightness of the Note 8. Hopefully true tone will compensate for that.

Of course no Touch ID. I often like to unlock my phone whilst it's resting on the table. You do have tap to wake tough.

How do you turn it off if the power button is now for Siri?

Apple seem to have decided to embrace the notch. Replacing the iconic round home button for the notch as the iPhone identifier. Except it's in everything. Cutting into the background of apps from what I could tell.

Lol, is there anything else? Remind me again why I'm getting it? :pac:

Deep Thought

murpho999 wrote: »

If you're planning to do this than get Revolut card. Gives batter rates and you don't pay any fees.

More info here.

Hi

Do you just load cash onto the revolut and then pay ?

DT

Deep Thought

these folks saying the X will be released Ireland 03NOV

http://www.redsn0w.us/2017/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html

mad muffin

Deep Thought wrote: »

these folks saying the X will be released Ireland 03NOV

http://www.redsn0w.us/2017/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html

You can preorder it on the 27/10 @8:01

Deep Thought

mad muffin wrote: »

You can preorder it on the 27/10 @8:01

yep...if they just had the 8. would buy it in a flash, but the fact the 10 exists...!!:eek:

Kagawa

Given the lead times of previous iPhones, what do people think it will be for the X, my 7 Plus was 3 weeks iirc last year, and only arrived a couple of days early.

mad muffin

Kagawa wrote: »

Given the lead times of previous iPhones, what do people think it will be for the X, my 7 Plus was 3 weeks iirc last year, and only arrived a couple of days early.

If you preorder on the 27th of October it will arrive on the 3rd of November. After that, it's anyone's guess.

Agent Coulson

I don't want it at that price the and 8 suits me better anyway.

But by God it's a sexy looking phone.

Marty Bird

The fast charging is a joke it will cost an extra €90 minimum to have this that is taking the piss for a phone costing over €1300 they really are gouging every last cent, I'll stick with the iPad charger.

murpho999

Marty Bird wrote: »

The fast charging is a joke it will cost an extra €90 minimum to have this that is taking the piss for a phone costing over €1300 they really are gouging every last cent, I'll stick with the iPad charger.

How will it cost €90?

mad muffin

murpho999 wrote: »

How will it cost €90?

The lowest Watt USB c power adapter is €59 and the 1m USB c to lightning cable is €29.

Deep Thought

can someone clarify, the X is the same size as the 7 and 8.

Its not the same size as the plus ?

DT

Cyrus

Deep Thought wrote: »

can someone clarify, the X is the same size as the 7 and 8.

Its not the same size as the plus ?

DT

its between the two 8 and 8 plus in size

with a bigger screen than the plus

Deep Thought

Cyrus wrote: »

its between the two 8 and 8 plus in size

with a bigger screen than the plus

checked in out..

8 is 5.45 inches high, X is 5.65 inches, so 0.2 = 5mm

Dades

Deep Thought wrote: »

can someone clarify, the X is the same size as the 7 and 8.

See here. That's the 7/8 and 7/8+ on either side of the X.

keith_d99

I am quite sure it will be fantastic .... but next gen for me
There are bound to be teething issues .. with the tech and the hardware that will be ironed out by the next generation.

OLED, FaceId, no home button ... all going to be standard in all handsets in time

Gonna hang on to be 6S .. and buy a watch

waynegalway

Mr.S wrote: »

Fast charging only via USB-c is a bit crap, and a bit of a kick in teeth to not include it with the X at over a grand :eek:

Yep. Apple seems a bit disjointed at the moment the way they have so many products that don’t work that well together. There’s a lack of consistency that’s frustrating. Particularly when it comes to cables and connections. And now with no Home button, even the OS on its phones will not be consistent. I think Steve is turning in his grave.

ibFoxer

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't want it at that price the and 8 suits me better anyway.

But by God it's a sexy looking phone.

The cutout on the top bothers me, i like the edge to edge screen but overall the look of it leaves me a little cold. Honestly, there's very little to it over the 8 for me to get it. I'm actually thinking the 7 would do.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Would love to get the X, but the facial recognition and AR stuff is just gimmicks for me, not worth the additional dev and cost to the phone. Remove those and have the price at ~€850 would have suited.
Bring the phone up to my face just to unlock? No thanks. Holding the phone out like demonstrated and moving around to play an AR game, again no thanks; seems like both features would get old real quick.
The 8 or plus is a more likely purchase/upgrade.

Bob24

waynegalway wrote: »

Yep. Apple seems a bit disjointed at the moment the way they have so many products that don’t work that well together. There’s a lack of consistency that’s frustrating. Particularly when it comes to cables and connections. And now with no Home button, even the OS on its phones will not be consistent. I think Steve is turning in his grave.

Yes -ideally they should have gone all lightning if they wanted something proprietary the control, or all USB-C if using a standard port was seen as the priority. Doing a bit of both while also keeping regularly USB into the mix is a bit of a mess.

But clearly the immediate future of charging at least for small devices is wireless. In the short to medium term port standards won't matter tou much anymore as we'll all have a few mats/furnitures in the house and the office which charge our devices just by dropping them on the mat/piece of furniture.

waynegalway

Bob24 wrote: »

Yes -ideally they should have gone all lightning if they wanted something proprietary the control, or all USB-C if using a standard port was seen as the priority. Doing a bit of both while also keeping regular regular USB into the mix is a bit of a mess.

But clearly the immediate future of charging at least for small devices is wireless. In the short to medium term port standards won't matter tou much anymore as we'll all have a few mats/furnitures in the house and the office which charge our devices just by dropping them on the mat/piece of furniture.

Agreed. In a couple of years things may have settled down to a more consistent approach. Right now it’s all over the place. If I had to buy a new phone, a 7 or 8 would do me. Let the new tech of the X become “the norm” for a cycle or two, then jump on board.

Cyrus

waynegalway wrote: »

Agreed. In a couple of years things may have settled down to a more consistent approach. Right now it’s all over the place. If I had to buy a new phone, a 7 or 8 would do me. Let the new tech of the X become “the norm” for a cycle or two, then jump on board.

sean72

In terms of pre-orders on the apple site, is it the case that if the release time is 12:01am in Califonia that it'll be 8:01am that pre-orders are available here. I always forget and it's been a few years.....

DubDJ

The only thing missing in the X for me is the pro-motion display Apple added to the latest iPads. After using one it really is a step ahead in terms of performance. Everything else was basically what was expected, and glad they included Bluetooth 5 as I'm hoping that kicks off The way Qi wireless has.

Bob24

DubDJ wrote: »

The only thing missing in the X for me is the pro-motion display Apple added to the latest iPads. After using one it really is a step ahead in terms of performance.

It is indeed a bit cheap not to include this on a brand new flagship model which sells for significantly more money than any previous one.

DubDJ

Bob24 wrote: »

It is indeed a bit cheap not to include this on a brand new flagship model which sells for significantly more money than any previous one.

Probably be on next years model I'd imagine it could of been due to manufacturing difficulties and Apple not risking any issues with putting so much new tech into a screen.

One thing I didn't see mentioned much throughout the event was 3D Touch. I find it really useful and would miss it if it was gone. It doesn't seem to be high on Apple's priority list though, they rarely mention it anymore.

Bob24

DubDJ wrote: »

One thing I didn't see mentioned much throughout the event was 3D Touch. I find it really useful and would miss it if it was gone. It doesn't seem to be high on Apple's priority list though, they rarely mention it anymore.

Yes this and the fact tha they never brought it to the iPad (I understand it would be harder to implement on a larger device but nothing Apple can't do) kind of imply a lack of dedication to the technology.

The fact that not all iOS devices support it really limits its adoption I think as:
1) it makes it a bit inconsistent and confusing when switching device thus discouraging people from using it.
2) it can not become a core part of UI interactions as since not all devices support it, it can only ever be a second way for doing things rather than the main way.

mad muffin

iPhone X has 3D Touch.

Bob24

mad muffin wrote: »

iPhone X has 3D Touch.

What we meant is that while the functionality is there Apple doesn't talk about it anymore. Also, I think it is significant that they removed the original 3D Touch multitasking gesture from iOS a few months ago and none of the new gestures they introduced with the iPhone X are leveraging 3D Touch.

awec

Does anyone use 3d touch? I pretty much never do.

Bob24

awec wrote: »

Does anyone use 3d touch? I pretty much never do.

I sometimes use it but not frequently and clearly not enough to justify its presence.

My main use case is to force touch on the Settings App to get direct access to battery consumption for each application.

IamMetaldave

Bob24 wrote: »

My main use case is to force touch on the Settings App to get direct access to battery consumption for each application.

AWESOME! I didn't know about that! Now I use 3DTouch

DubDJ

I use it a lot for previewing links without actually opening them fully. Same with the music app, I 3D Touch menus etc and get the context menus which I find great.

Even during the event when they were listing technologies such as multitouch, Retina and Touch ID they just skipped past 3D Touch as one of its innovations.

Marty Bird

I use 3D Touch all the time from phone favourites which I find really handy and WhatsApp and Spotify

Bob24

IamMetaldave wrote: »

AWESOME! I didn't know about that! Now I use 3DTouch

Those are a lot of R&D dollars spent just to give us quick access to battery usage :-) But fairly convenient indeed ...

rockwell

I have a 6s plus, and I'm out of contract and I was looking to change, its a toss up between the 8s plus and the X. But the bit I can't figure out is using the wireless charging with a case? I have had an Otterbox defender on all my phones, it ruins the aesthetic, and ads serious weight, but its necessary for protection of the phone. I don't fancy having to take the defender off to charge it, or else see if they have come up with another way of wireless charging with the case on. Thoughts??

Bob24

rockwell wrote: »

I have a 6s plus, and I'm out of contract and I was looking to change, its a toss up between the 8s plus and the X. But the bit I can't figure out is using the wireless charging with a case? I have had an Otterbox defender on all my phones, it ruins the aesthetic, and ads serious weight, but its necessary for protection of the phone. I don't fancy having to take the defender off to charge it, or else see if they have come up with another way of wireless charging with the case on. Thoughts??

I don't think it will require the phone to be in direct contact with the charging pad so it should work provided a case is only made of materials which don't interfere (it probably no metal) and is not too thick.

It might be too early to discuss a specific case though.

rockwell

Bob24 wrote: »

I don't think it will require the phone to be in direct contact with the charging pad so it should work provided a case is only made of materials which don't interfere (it probably no metal) and is not too thick.

It might be too early to discuss a specific case though.

Otterbox have the X case on the website, email when available, there is no change to the structure compared to current cases, there is the gap in the back where the camera is and then where the apple symbol is, but whether that would be enough, I don't know, as the phone wouldn't be in direct contact anywhere with the wireless mat. The defender is quite a chunky case, complete plastic front and back then a rubber outer layer ontop of that.

snowflaker

I think I'll be ordering the X directly from Apple- anyone know anyone that can get an employee discount?

200motels

I'll stick to my 6s as it does everything I need it to do, but if I liked android I'd go for a Samsung S8 as it's a beautiful phone but I just don't like the O/S. as for the iphone 10 that black cut out at the top does not look right.