construction industry & recuitment agencies

mzn

Dear all,
Im new to Ireland, and have difficulties with Recruiment agencies.
My work experience as Site Manager, and it was with very prestigous groups (huge companies) in construction based in Middle East.
In fact, i have master degree in civil Engineering .
but when i met recruiment consultants, many of them said that we cant pass your CV to construction companies or irish companies need their staff from irish only, or you dont have UK /IR experience .
Is this racism and is it my right to complaint to and make a case in courts..? or is it Employer right to take what ever they want ? ..

TheBully

mzn wrote: »

Dear all,
Im new to Ireland, and have difficulties with Recruiment agencies.
My work experience as Site Manager, and it was with very prestigous groups (huge companies) in construction based in Middle East.
In fact, i have master degree in civil Engineering .
but when i met recruiment consultants, many of them said that we cant pass your CV to construction companies or irish companies need their staff from irish only, or you dont have UK /IR experience .
Is this racism and is it my right to complaint to and make a case in courts..? or is it Employer right to take what ever they want ? ..

Your lack of English may be an issue

dzer2

TheBully wrote: »

Your lack of English may be an issue

More likely the wages he expects as contacts in the middle east are way above the ones here

mzn

dzer2 wrote: »

More likely the wages he expects as contacts in the middle east are way above the ones here

No, i asked fo same as they pay in Ireland .
They didnt allow me to meet construction companies .
They keep repating same, thanks but we cant possess with your application ..
But one recuirment agency through their employee told me that irish want irish only ..(very rude)

Others told me that i have to look from bottom and do survey jobs like what Site Engineers do

Others told me that only UK experience is required other parts and contries in Europe would be neglected..

What is your visa status?

It is not unreasonable to want people with local experience.

Making a decision based on race is illegal.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/equality_in_work/equality_in_the_workplace.html

mzn

@Pg633
im EU citizen ..
the story is that recuitment companies continue tilling me that we have failed to line up your interview because that construction companies were not interested in your application ..

Other agencies tell that we cant pass your cv to irish companies because we knew they are catious or reserverd when taking foreigners especially if havent work as Site Manager or Site Engineer in UK or Ireland before ..
Even USA, Canada, Australia not only middle east experience wont be considered . !!!

amtc

Not being smart but have you had your cv checked? I know this is only an internet forum but your spelling and grammar is all over the place.

.G.

Why use agencies at all? Send your CV direct to the construction companies yourself. Here just one example of a company that has jobs going.

http://www.bennettconstruction.ie/page.php?id=11&title=Career%20Opportunities.

I'm sure the likes of Sisk, Walls etc also have jobs available.

Echo the above though, your English needs to be better.

LionelNashe

Maybe Irish employers don't know how to check references from your previous countries, so they don't count the experience?

mzn

@amtc and suerg,

Yes my English needs a bit effort, however, my CV is perfect as all recruitment consultants understood them .

Im pretty sure that most of companies now adays have no time to go through entire CV and instead they relying on certain programs or through contacts..

I've applied to SIsk and bam and even called bam hr manager and she told me thanks we had Site manager position before but not now.
I dont expect that they will call me when they have .. most of them advertise for future jobs that is not exist for today .and when they willing to hire they get help by recuitment agencies only .
I have to give your attention that construction have two "manpower" categories :
1-Costruction trades like painter, carpenter, steel fixer, skilled labours forklift operators, chainman, those who works physically .. etc ..

2- Construction profesdionals and techicals like Site Engineer, Sr.Site Engineer, Site Manager, Snr.Site Manager, Construction Manager, Snr.Construction Manager, Project Manager, planning Engineers, Safety Engineers and Project Director .
While No1 is a bit easier because of apprentceships availble its quite difficult to earn irish experience for 2nd category .

mzn

LionelNashe wrote: »

Maybe Irish employers don't know how to check references from your previous countries, so they don't count the experience?

Perhaps. but is it my problem ?

mzn

mzn wrote: »

2- Construction profesdionals and techicals like Site Engineer, Sr.Site Engineer, Site Manager, Snr.Site Manager, Construction Manager, Snr.Construction Manager, Project Manager, planning Engineers, Safety Engineers and Project Director .
While No1 is a bit easier because of apprentceships availble its quite difficult to earn irish experience for 2nd category .

mzn wrote: »

Others told me that i have to look from bottom and do survey jobs like what Site Engineers do

The recruiters have been honest with you and have told you that Ireland or UK experience is required to get these jobs and have suggested how you can go about getting that experience.

Can you consider why your experience might not transfer well?
Different standards, different construction methods and materials, different climate, different supply constraints, different legislation - can you come up with good reasons why those don't matter? Can you convince a recruiter? Can you convince an employer?

LionelNashe

mzn wrote: »

Perhaps. but is it my problem ?

If you can't get a job because of it, then it is a problem for you. It's not a problem for the company - they can just hire somebody else.

mzn

LionelNashe wrote: »

If you can't get a job because of it, then it is a problem for you. It's not a problem for the company - they can just hire somebody else.

Many companies still didnt ask me for my references yet, especially recruitment agencies..
So i wonder what i can do ? its logic that if you have worked in DUBAI then you must have references from there, same if you have worked in France or Australia .. They should advertise that we cant take international candidates except UK. They must be honest to write it in the job description.

mickdw

If I had such a job available right now I wouldnt give it to.
You come across as having a very poor yet superior attitude.
Nobody owes you or is bound to give you a job at any level.
Believe me, the major companies are crying out for good managers so you are obviously not meeting their grade in some way or another.
From experience, a person will find their level very quickly within the irish construction trade. If someone is working as a setting out Engineer and is capable of management, they will quickly be given that responsibility.
My advice would be to go directly to the larger companies for lower level management role and once in, the sky is the limit whether it be within that company or at other companies who will be more eager to listen to you once employed here.

d.pop

Hi, unfortunately the requirement for 'local experience' is not unique to Ireland, I have had the same problem finding jobs outside Ireland that I have been more than qualified and capable of performing.
The issue is that local on the ground experience and local contacts plus knowledge of the specific codes and standards in the country of employment often is far more valuable than all the degrees in the world.
Just the way it is.
The site manager that can pick up a phone and get a load of concrete delivered in an hour because he knows the batch plant operator with 10 years or a carpenter in 2 hrs or an electrician or a crane the same morning can do that because of local experience.
Keep looking, you will find a job eventually, might not be the job you want but it's going to get you that valuable local experience.
Yes, they probably should state local experience a must but often they are also farming for cv's.
Good luck.

mzn

mickdw wrote: »

If I had such a job available right now I wouldnt give it to.
You come across as having a very poor yet superior attitude.
Nobody owes you or is bound to give you a job at any level.
Believe me, the major companies are crying out for good managers so you are obviously not meeting their grade in some way or another.
From experience, a person will find their level very quickly within the irish construction trade. If someone is working as a setting out Engineer and is capable of management, they will quickly be given that responsibility.
My advice would be to go directly to the larger companies for lower level management role and once in, the sky is the limit whether it be within that company or at other companies who will be more eager to listen to you once employed here.

i dont know how you based such rude reply !
Anyway, thanks but what you have wrote is fact, the problem is that i cant get chance to get lower level..!

mzn

d.pop wrote: »

Hi, unfortunately the requirement for 'local experience' is not unique to Ireland, I have had the same problem finding jobs outside Ireland that I have been more than qualified and capable of performing.
The issue is that local on the ground experience and local contacts plus knowledge of the specific codes and standards in the country of employment often is far more valuable than all the degrees in the world.
Just the way it is.
The site manager that can pick up a phone and get a load of concrete delivered in an hour because he knows the batch plant operator with 10 years or a carpenter in 2 hrs or an electrician or a crane the same morning can do that because of local experience.
Keep looking, you will find a job eventually, might not be the job you want but it's going to get you that valuable local experience.
Yes, they probably should state local experience a must but often they are also farming for cv's.
Good luck.

Yes i know, in limited market opportunity, you are absolutely right. Its difficult in may ways to come through construction market in Ireland. The problem is that you not be given a chance to present yourself by sitting with main recruiters !

mzn

Deleted User wrote: »

The recruiters have been honest with you and have told you that Ireland or UK experience is required to get these jobs and have suggested how you can go about getting that experience.

Can you consider why your experience might not transfer well?
Different standards, different construction methods and materials, different climate, different supply constraints, different legislation - can you come up with good reasons why those don't matter? Can you convince a recruiter? Can you convince an employer?

Yes ofcourse i can convince The recuiters as we worked according to UK codes of buildings with western managed specification and crow !
We have had management from all English speaking countries especially UK and The country is ex british colony !
We have worked in bulk civil works, concrete pumps for slab of 2 meter height have never stopped for continous 4 days ..
What you see as deplovements in Dublin is far behind our finishes and specs we have worked 10 yrs ago in Dubai. (although they have started to build luxurios apartments and hotels in recent 2 yrs ) .
Dubai and Middle east countries, in general are very cosmpolitan in many areas and in different ways .. very awesome finishings, companies here have never dealt with yet. We have far advanced technology we have used in certain construction and maintenance fields, and as many other countries in rest of them .
Ask irish profesdionals (Managers and Engineers) who have worked there. THE Reason why i cant present my self is because Companies wont book appointment to see me, and recruitment agencies are even worst by not passing my cv to main recuiters ! (most of them or lets say 50%) ..
So they will probably refuse you based on your name and/or location of your previous experience.
Many times i have heard that companies are catious and need either UK or Ireland experince blindly! this idiotic attitude unfortaunetly has never enhanced !

mickdw

mzn wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

If I had such a job available right now I wouldnt give it to.
You come across as having a very poor yet superior attitude.
Nobody owes you or is bound to give you a job at any level.
Believe me, the major companies are crying out for good managers so you are obviously not meeting their grade in some way or another.
From experience, a person will find their level very quickly within the irish construction trade. If someone is working as a setting out Engineer and is capable of management, they will quickly be given that responsibility.
My advice would be to go directly to the larger companies for lower level management role and once in, the sky is the limit whether it be within that company or at other companies who will be more eager to listen to you once employed here.

i dont know how you based such rude reply !
Anyway, thanks but what you have wrote is fact, the problem is that i cant get chance to get lower level..!

I based my reply of the fact that in your opening post you queried whether you should take a legal case or cases against employers or recruiters just because you are not being successful in getting a job.
Employees with that type of attitude are the last type you would take on.

mzn

mickdw wrote: »

I based my reply of the fact that in your opening post you queried whether you should take a legal case or cases against employers or recruiters just because you are not being successful in getting a job.
Employees with that type of attitude are the last type you would take on.

ohh ok,
i asked your experience if you have such situation and recuitment consultants got a lot of jobs he posted but he told you non of them suitable for you as you are NOT irish ..so what you could do ???
I've consulted Flac and they said its absolutely racism and you should start a case against them in the court.
So whats your kind wise opinion ? did you understand now ?

mickdw

Not being considered due to not having suitable local experience does not equal racism.

mzn

mickdw wrote: »

Not being considered due to not having suitable local experience does not equal racism.

Not only in Ireland !!
He has jobs in my country of origin, and told me its not suitable for you because Irish workers need their group even if the country and conditions were different but they know how deal with each others better and dont need " other workers from another country " among them !

mickdw

Dont use an Irish agency if you are seeking work in your origin country. Simple.

mzn

mickdw wrote: »

Dont use an Irish agency if you are seeking work in your origin country. Simple.

it happened that i saw his advertisement and asked him after he refused to pass my cv to irish companies in Ireland nor abroad
So the statement " We are equal opportunity employer regardless of race, religion or nationality .. "
is just a myth !

ezra_

So it is either the case where the entire industry is rigged against you and they are forming a conspiracy to keep you out of work...

Or you just don't come across as being suitable for the job.

Given that you are already threatening to sue the recruiters, have opened an identical thread on the legal forum where you've 'forgotten' some of the key points you've mentioned here and come across on the basis that as you have a masters degree and some work experience, the companies should be falling over to hire you, I know which of the two options I'm thinking about.

Recruiters get paid when they get people hired - if they know you won't get hired, they won't waste their time with you, which is what seems to be happening. Perhaps drop the impending legal cases, drop the attitude of how you are owed a job and see if you can get into a company by a window or the back door and if you are as good as you claim to be, you'll be running a site promptly.

mzn

ezra_ wrote: »

So it is either the case where the entire industry is rigged against you and they are forming a conspiracy to keep you out of work...

Or you just don't come across as being suitable for the job.

Given that you are already threatening to sue the recruiters, have opened an identical thread on the legal forum where you've 'forgotten' some of the key points you've mentioned here and come across on the basis that as you have a masters degree and some work experience, the companies should be falling over to hire you, I know which of the two options I'm thinking about.

Recruiters get paid when they get people hired - if they know you won't get hired, they won't waste their time with you, which is what seems to be happening. Perhaps drop the impending legal cases, drop the attitude of how you are owed a job and see if you can get into a company by a window or the back door and if you are as good as you claim to be, you'll be running a site promptly.

So if you are in my place will you start a case for that guy who said i dont have jobs for you and even jobs in my own country he refused to pass cv because company of irish ppl wanting their team from irish only .

Thats my question, and im looking for many replies here Not unified replies.Its me to decide which opinion to take .

As i said irish system is systmatic work in construction and this system is easy because its systematic

Same in middle east, the companies i worked for follow procedure and system thats why its easy to grasp any systematic or prcedure system in very short time .
Its therefore easy and challenging if you work for company A and you changed to company B and both are in same country ..You will find differences as nature of every company' policy .
Recuiters and companies here shouldnt look to difference but similarties.

ezra_

mzn wrote: »

So if you are in my place will you start a case for that guy who said i dont have jobs for you and even jobs in my own country he refused to pass cv because company of irish ppl wanting their team from irish only .

Thats my question, and im looking for many replies here Not unified replies.Its me to decide which opinion to take .

As i said irish system is systmatic work in construction and this system is easy because its systematic

Same in middle east, the companies i worked for follow procedure and system thats why its easy to grasp any systematic or prcedure system in very short time .
Its therefore easy and challenging if you work for company A and you changed to company B and both are in same country ..You will find differences as nature of every company' policy .
Recuiters and companies here shouldnt look to difference but similarties.

I've been in your situation buddy.

I didn't demand that I be given work and threaten to sue those who didn't give me a job on a plate.

I made sure I got a job (not the one I was looking for) and once I was in with a company, I took it from there myself.

But I'm sure I was doing it wrong and I'm sure that trying to sue a fairly tight knit community won't blow back on your face.

mickdw

You are right op. everyone else in the industry is wrong and are out to get you.
I think you should take the entire industry to court, maybe even our government.

mzn

mzn wrote: »

..................
the story is that recuitment companies continue tilling me that we have failed to line up your interview because that construction companies were not interested in your application .. .......................

Maybe your CV isn't as good as you think it is.
Maybe you are over qualified.
Maybe health and safety legislation here is at a higher level than where you worked so companies reckon you aren't a good fit.

humberklog

What specific jobs within the industry do you think are suitable for you?

I've worked in construction engineering for 15 years. From site/setting out/ to senior engineer and contracts manager. Some abroad and some in Ireland.
In Ireland my experience is that it's an open playing field for Irish and non Irish to get ahead in the business.
I find it hard to believe that a recruiter would discriminate against non Irish let alone openly admit it.
Your experience and references might be harder to confirm for an Irish recruiter.
Your opinion of your worth may not be a reality.
It would be too risky to hire someone in a senior role without experience of the Irish market.
Your communication skills are lacking- these are vital skills on a building site.

mickdw

Poor English, poor attitude and an inflated sense of self worth. Would i hire him? most likely not.
All of the above and threatening legal action even before he was employed. Would i hire him? I wouldnt let him inside the gate.

mzn

Augeo wrote: »

Maybe your CV isn't as good as you think it is.
Maybe you are over qualified.
Maybe health and safety legislation here is at a higher level than where you worked so companies reckon you aren't a good fit.

I've SafePass card, and when i admitted the course i was impressed that it was just repeating for most of what i knew already .
We get safety induction in every construction site we enter .Its not just only one training like here in Ireland .

mzn

humberklog wrote: »

What specific jobs within the industry do you think are suitable for you?

I've worked in construction engineering for 15 years. From site/setting out/ to senior engineer and contracts manager. Some abroad and some in Ireland.
In Ireland my experience is that it's an open playing field for Irish and non Irish to get ahead in the business.
I find it hard to believe that a recruiter would discriminate against non Irish let alone openly admit it.
Your experience and references might be harder to confirm for an Irish recruiter.
Your opinion of your worth may not be a reality.
It would be too risky to hire someone in a senior role without experience of the Irish market.
Your communication skills are lacking- these are vital skills on a building site.

The idea that most companies here have is that if some one have worked in construction industry outside UK and Ireland then he is probably not capable to adapt in Irish construction companies, is totaly discriminating idea !

If i worked in company A in x country, and then i decided to move to company B in same country, then i need time to understand procedure of the new company and adapt to the system which is normal in any move.
Its not changing career but changing procedure and thus the company should understand this and give employees time to adapt.
i have recently met fair irish recuiter and he said that i read your cv and its easy to understand that you have very excellent experience in steel-concrete structures in huge projects that is in demand here in Ireland .Its not easy to find someone like your experience with very high motivation and much exposure to solving problems . I have managed alot of staff and projects in billions (a multi purpose high buildings) between 5-70 layers . So i guess this irish recuitment consultant has understood my cv without any negative feedback.

mzn

One recruitment company called me for interview appointment .
The girl on reception asked me about my id, then i gave here my public service card .
She refused it, then i showed her my EU driving license . She refused it again . and asked of i have passport. i asked her for a reason .
She told me that we accept only irish driving license for persons who born in Ireland .If someone have Irish driving license even with irish address but NOT born in Ireland then we take his passport instead !
So we accept only ID for two documents Irish d/l born in Ireland or Passport .

Is this legal ? How would you react to her ?

Singer

mzn wrote: »

One recruitment company called me for interview appointment .
The girl on reception asked me about my id, then i gave here my public service card .
She refused it, then i showed her my EU driving license . She refused it again . and asked of i have passport. i asked her for a reason .
She told me that we accept only irish driving license for persons who born in Ireland .If someone have Irish driving license even with irish address but NOT born in Ireland then we take his passport instead !
So we accept only ID for two documents Irish d/l born in Ireland or Passport .

Is this legal ? How would you react to her ?

A Driver's License is not proof of citizenship or evidence that you have a valid right to work in Ireland. Per http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/working_in_ireland/coming_to_work_in_ireland.html I don't think an EU driving license i sufficient. An EU-state driver's license is just evidence of passing a driving test in an EU country - not citizenship etc. An Irish driver's license does state where the person was born, and so could reasonably be accepted as proof of ability to work for somebody born in Ireland. Unfortunately it generally comes down to the person looking for work to prove their legal capability to work.

mzn

Singer wrote: »

A Driver's License is not proof of citizenship or evidence that you have a valid right to work in Ireland. Per http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/working_in_ireland/coming_to_work_in_ireland.html I don't think an EU driving license i sufficient. An EU-state driver's license is just evidence of passing a driving test in an EU country - not citizenship etc. An Irish driver's license does state where the person was born, and so could reasonably be accepted as proof of ability to work for somebody born in Ireland. Unfortunately it generally comes down to the person looking for work to prove their legal capability to work.

Why receptionst have to check your elegibilty to work ? and why Public service cards are not proof of residency ?
If so why government is not issuing a card that could work as id and proof of VISA status, at same time ?
This id should show your date of birth as well .

Collie D

mzn wrote: »

Why receptionst have to check your elegibilty to work ? and why Public service cards are not proof of residency ?
If so why government is not issuing a card that could work as id and proof of VISA status, at same time ?
This id should show your date of birth as well .

So it's the government's fault because you're too stubborn to show your passport?!

mzn

Collie D wrote: »

So it's the government's fault because you're too stubborn to show your passport?!

Why i have to carry an international passport if im resident in the country ?? because stupid employee wont issue one card ?

Collie D

Between this thread and the other you display a seriously bad attitude. If you're asked for proof of ID just show it and stop being so bloody awkward.

You also give the impression that you're trying to play the race card.

Being stubborn and awkward with a bad attitude isn't a great first impression to give in a job hunt.

PhoenixParker

If you're applying for a job you need to show proof of eligibility to work in Ireland.

That means your passport.

None of the other documents you mention prove a right to work in Ireland.

cee_jay

mzn wrote: »

Why i have to carry an international passport if im resident in the country ?? because stupid employee wont issue one card ?

Residency doesn't mean you have a right to work.

mzn

Collie D wrote: »

Between this thread and the other you display a seriously bad attitude. If you're asked for proof of ID just show it and stop being so bloody awkward.

You also give the impression that you're trying to play the race card.

Being stubborn and awkward with a bad attitude isn't a great first impression to give in a job hunt.

Dont try to mix up my posts !
You have very limited understanding !
The point is that i have been in another EU country and no recruiter has asked me to proof my elegiblity of work by asking about my passport !
It seems that companies wont hire unless its 'ready EU or Irish ppl " and they wont go through sponsorship path !

We are not in Airport to ask for passport ! thats stupid method to check elegibility to work !
i gave her my passport and dont have problem with elegiblity and didnt complain for her !

Stop your replies to my posts because your bad attitide is obvisouly bitter and rude and missing dialouge, discussion and positive arguments to ops. Stop commenting to my posts if you like to continue in your rude manner .

mzn

PhoenixParker wrote: »

If you're applying for a job you need to show proof of eligibility to work in Ireland.

That means your passport.

None of the other documents you mention prove a right to work in Ireland.

Thats right but then government should issue cards to show elegiblity for eveey one instead of holding your passport all the time.
pps card are not accepted in many companies so please issue comprehesive card to indicate/proof elegiblity .

It seems that irish companies are avoiding sponsorships . Very limited resources and budget probably !

PhoenixParker

mzn wrote: »

Thats right but then government should issue cards to show elegiblity for eveey one instead of holding your passport all the time.
pps card are not accepted in many companies so please issue comprehesive card to indicate/proof elegiblity .

It seems that irish companies are avoiding sponsorships . Very limited resources and budget probably !

The Irish electorate has indicated that such an ID card would be unacceptable to them. The Irish government is obliged to follow their wishes.

amcalester

mzn wrote: »

Dont try to mix up my posts !
You have very limited understanding !
The point is that i have been in another EU country and no recruiter has asked me to proof my elegiblity of work by asking about my passport !
It seems that companies wont hire unless its 'ready EU or Irish ppl " and they wont go through sponsorship path !

We are not in Airport to ask for passport ! thats stupid method to check elegibility to work !
i gave her my passport and dont have problem with elegiblity and didnt complain for her !

Stop your replies to my posts because your bad attitide is obvisouly bitter and rude and missing dialouge, discussion and positive arguments to ops. Stop commenting to my posts if you like to continue in your rude manner .

Why would a company go through a sponsorship path if there is already suitable candidates available with who have the right to work in Ireland?

Are you that skilled at your job that you would be worth all the extra expense and wait?

Collie D

So it's pretty much everyone else's fault from the "stupid employee" at reception to the government!? Just do what you're asked ffs and stop playing the victim.

If I were an employer I wouldn't want you working for me tbh. And if I was a recruitment agent I would give up on you as a lost cause. If you display this attitude constantly I am not surprised you're looking for work. Your CV probably goes straight in the shredder. Do yourself a favour and drop the entitled, negative, dismissive and superior attitude. You might find more doors opening.

Also, this is a public forum so please don't ask me not to post. Actually...why is this even in the Dublin City forum?

amcalester

Collie D wrote: »

So it's pretty much everyone else's fault from the "stupid employee" at reception to the government!? Just do what you're asked ffs and stop playing the victim.

If I were an employer I wouldn't want you working for me tbh. And if I was a recruitment agent I would give up on you as a lost cause. If you display this attitude constantly I am not surprised you're looking for work. Your CV probably goes straight in the shredder. Do yourself a favour and drop the entitled, negative, dismissive and superior attitude. You might find more doors opening.

Also, this is a public forum so please don't ask me not to post. Actually...why is this even in the Dublin City forum?

I used to work in recruitment, specifically recruiting people for the construction industry, and if the OP's CV has as many errors as his posts then it would have gone straight in the bin. T

That's the first thing you need to do OP, get someone to review your CV and correct any errors. Don't expect the agency to do that because there's any amount of applicants without the required experience to waste their time with.

Secondly, drop the attitude. It won't get you far in Ireland.

Or anywhere for that matter.

BrianBoru00

mzn wrote: »

The idea that most companies here have is that if some one have worked in construction industry outside UK and Ireland then he is probably not capable to adapt in Irish construction companies, is totaly discriminating idea !

If i worked in company A in x country, and then i decided to move to company B in same country, then i need time to understand procedure of the new company and adapt to the system which is normal in any move.
Its not changing career but changing procedure and thus the company should understand this and give employees time to adapt.
i have recently met fair irish recuiter and he said that i read your cv and its easy to understand that you have very excellent experience in steel-concrete structures in huge projects that is in demand here in Ireland .Its not easy to find someone like your experience with very high motivation and much exposure to solving problems . I have managed alot of staff and projects in billions (a multi purpose high buildings) between 5-70 layers . So i guess this irish recuitment consultant has understood my cv without any negative feedback.

Wait Wait Wait ... . .You've managed billion dollar projects and now you can't get a job as a site manager in Ireland? .....This doesn't add up . . . .You've lost me (and I'm guessing every single reader of this thread).
Were the billion dollar projects in Zimbabwe by any chance?

mzn

mzn wrote: »

Why i have to carry an international passport if im resident in the country ?? because stupid employee wont issue one card ?

I have had to show my passport to commence most of the jobs I've had in my professional life. I was born and raised in Ireland. Of course it's legal to make sure someone is legally entitled to work in Ireland before giving them a job, I would hope that is fairly obvious.

Secondly, you're asking why the govt don't issue some other card to show you're entitled to work here, why on earth would they go through the time and expense when a passport already fulfills that role? Just carry your passport on you one day, show it to someone, and take it home again. This is not difficult.

nuckeythompson

I would suggest you look for classes in the English language.
Your attitude stinks and I reckon it's these issues you need to address.