Replacing a Mira Elite ST Shower

largepants

My Mira Elite ST has gone wallop and I'm looking to replace.

The two I'm looking at with the same footprint are the Mira Elite QT and the Triton T900PI. I rang my local shower man and he has quoted me €400 to supply and fit the Mira Elite QT. Upon doing my research its seems they are not as robust as I had hoped. Is this price reasonable?

I am now considering going with the Triton T900PI. Is this a similar shower with regards to output etc? Would I need to change the plumbing/electrical side of things and would it ultimately cost me more?

I've also seen the thread on the silent Triton shower but I'm assuming this would be a non runner as the footprint is different and the wall where the shower is tiled already. Maybe there is another way around this.

Any advice would be most welcome.

Sleeper12

largepants wrote:

I've also seen the thread on the silent Triton shower but I'm assuming this would be a non runner as the footprint is different and the wall where the shower is tiled already. Maybe there is another way around this.

The Mira Elite Qt is the most problematic shower I've ever encountered.

The triton t900pi is a better shower and' is the same footprint.

If you use a dedicated shower repair company they will arrive at your door with the triton t900pi and the triton t90sr. The triton t90sr being lightyears ahead of any other shower. It usually depends on if your shower is properly tiled behind. Fingers crossed that the t90sr fist in.

Bottom line is you don't want the mira elite Qt.

largepants

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The Mira Elite Qt is the most problematic shower I've ever encountered.

The triton t900pi is a better shower and' is the same footprint.

If you use a dedicated shower repair company they will arrive at your door with the triton t900pi and the triton t90sr. The triton t90sr being lightyears ahead of any other shower. It usually depends on if your shower is properly tiled behind. Fingers crossed that the t90sr fist in.

Bottom line is you don't want the mira elite Qt.

Was hoping you'd be the poster to answer my queries.

I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. My wife would prefer the silent shower so I'll ask the showerman to bring both the tritons. I'm in Cork otherwise I'd ask you to do it.

Thanks again.

Sleeper12

largepants wrote:

I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. My wife would prefer the silent shower so I'll ask the showerman to bring both the tritons. I'm in Cork otherwise I'd ask you to do it.

It all depends on how good a tiling job was done originally.
If it is fully tiled behind & it's a studded partition there's no reason why the t90sr won't work.
I've met a good shower guy from Cork on a plumbing Facebook group. If you can get his number I'll send it via pm. I always recommend getting a firm price upfront regardless of who you use

largepants

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It all depends on how good a tiling job was done originally.
If it is fully tiled behind & it's a studded partition there's no reason why the t90sr won't work.
I've met a good shower guy from Cork on a plumbing Facebook group. If you can get his number I'll send it via pm. I always recommend getting a firm price upfront regardless of who you use

Will check the tiling job later. However it is a block wall behind the shower so that might make it that much more difficult.

Thanks again.

Sleeper12

Pm sent

tinofapples

Hi,
Looking at spare room en-suite shower solution, I've put it on the long finger for a long time now. Can anyone tell from the video what might be the issue here:

The water pressure seem to be fine until I turn up the heat

Sleeper12

tinofapples wrote:

The water pressure seem to be fine until I turn up the heat

Hard to say without being there but the pump might be faulty but it looks more like it's getting starved of water.

When you reduce the flow the demand for water drops and the shower seems to work OK. Increase the flow and it does not look like its getting enough water. It is always a good idea to check the filter too

tinofapples

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Hard to say without being there but the pump might be faulty but it looks more like it's getting starved of water.

When you reduce the flow the demand for water drops and the shower seems to work OK. Increase the flow and it does not look like its getting enough water. It is always a good idea to check the filter too

You seem to know a bit bout showers, would this one be a suitable replacement for mine if it has to go :

https://www.ie.screwfix.com/mira-go-electric-shower-white-chrome-8-5kw.html

Mine is tank fed (Gravity fed)

Sleeper12

tinofapples wrote:

Mine is tank fed (Gravity fed)

For tank fed you need a mira elite qt, triton t900pi or triton t90sr. Almost anything else on the market is mains fed. Heatmerchants are probably the cheapest for the mira elite qt

UsedToWait

Sorry to hijack, but could I ask Sleeper12 for some advice?

The shower in my place is a Gainsborough sv800



It's tiled behind, and there is approx 6" room to the right of the current position.

I'm just wondering if the Triton T90sr would be an 'easy' swap for this shower, or would there be another model you could recommend?


Edit: looks like I've shown my ignorance - seems the T90sr is tank fed, while my current one is mains fed.
With that in mind, would still appreciate a recommendation of a decent quality 'straight swap' (without breaking the bank if possible!)

Sleeper12

I throw this out there every now & then just so everyone knows all the facts. It's illegal for a homeowner to install, replace or repair an electric shower. You should have a 40amp RCBO as a fuse at the fusebox. There is a test button on this & you should test it every 3 months. If it doesn't trip with the test button it wont trip when you are being electrocuted in the shower. It's a very important safety device. If you don't have one then get one.

On your setup you'd need to change from mains to tank fed to use the T90sr. If your shower is downstairs then it's most likely too difficult to do. If it's upstairs & they took the mains feed from the attic then that part would be simple enough to swap over.

The shower itself may be difficult to do. Bottom line is the pipe & cable need to move another 6 or 7 inches. Simple enough in a studded wall but time consuming in a concrete wall. You need to be sure that the cable is long enough to move

UsedToWait

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I throw this out there every now & then just so everyone knows all the facts. It's illegal for a homeowner to install, replace or repair an electric shower. You should have a 40amp RCBO as a fuse at the fusebox. There is a test button on this & you should test it every 3 months. If it doesn't trip with the test button it wont trip when you are being electrocuted in the shower. It's a very important safety device. If you don't have one then get one.

On your setup you'd need to change from mains to tank fed to use the T90sr. If your shower is downstairs then it's most likely too difficult to do. If it's upstairs & they took the mains feed from the attic then that part would be simple enough to swap over.

The shower itself may be difficult to do. Bottom line is the pipe & cable need to move another 6 or 7 inches. Simple enough in a studded wall but time consuming in a concrete wall. You need to be sure that the cable is long enough to move

Many thanks, and the work would be carried out professionally.
I checked, and the 40 amp RCBO is in place, and working - wasn't aware of need for regular checks, but will keep in mind.

I'm in rented accommodation, and the landlord would likely want to replace with the cheapest model again.
I was just wondering if you could recommend a 'like for like' swap on the Gainsborough I posted above, so mains fed, so that I could try and source a decent replacement for when the current shower, which I fear is on its last legs (about 5 years old and not heating as well as it was) dies.

The intention would be for me to purchase and have the landlord fit it, but I'd like to be sure to get one which will require a minimum of time / disruption to install..

NIMAN

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You should have a 40amp RCBO as a fuse at the fusebox. There is a test button on this & you should test it every 3 months. If it doesn't trip with the test button it wont trip when you are being electrocuted in the shower. It's a very important safety device. If you don't have one then get one.

Great advice, going to check that tonight when I get home.

tinofapples

Sleeper12 wrote: »

For tank fed you need a mira elite qt, triton t900pi or triton t90sr. Almost anything else on the market is mains fed. Heatmerchants are probably the cheapest for the mira elite qt

Thanks again, Jeez I'm really limited when it comes to replacing :eek: Is there one of the above mentioned better than the other ?

Sleeper12

UsedToWait wrote:

The intention would be for me to purchase and have the landlord fit it, but I'd like to be sure to get one which will require a minimum of time / disruption to install..

A triton t80z will replace that easily. Don't buy anything over 9kw unless you are sure that you have 10mm cable. Most only have 6mm

Sleeper12

tinofapples wrote: »

Thanks again, Jeez I'm really limited when it comes to replacing :eek: Is there one of the above mentioned better than the other ?

Triton T90SR wins hands down

NIMAN

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Triton T90SR wins hands down

I'm tempted by the T90SR as I often shower at 6am and its noisy with my current T90si.

I think I have asked before, but would that be a straight swap out? Its mounted on a tiled, stud wall in upstairs ensuite.

Sleeper12

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm tempted by the T90SR as I often shower at 6am and its noisy with my current T90si.

I think I have asked before, but would that be a straight swap out? Its mounted on a tiled, stud wall in upstairs ensuite.

Straight swap. New holes need to be drilled in the tiles to pin it to the wall

UsedToWait

Sleeper12 wrote: »

A triton t80z will replace that easily. Don't buy anything over 9kw unless you are sure that you have 10mm cable. Most only have 6mm

Many thanks once again.

If it's not too much trouble, one final question.
Is there any reason why I couldn't source in the UK?

(Just in case their plumbing sizes are different or anything)

Apologies for my cluelessness!

Sleeper12

UsedToWait wrote:

If it's not too much trouble, one final question. Is there any reason why I couldn't source in the UK?

Two fold answer here

1. Triton Ireland only offer 2 years parts and labour warranty on showers bought in Ireland. Screwfix, although having an Irish website sell UK showers so even with a receipt in euro from them you won't have a warranty. 2. If it isn't a model sold here then no one will be able to repair it as triton Ireland won't have parts. Same goes for some models sold in B&Q, Argos, Homebase etc.

If you buy a UK shower the power ratings are different as they are 240v and we are 230v. A 9.8kw shower rated at 240v is the exact same as a 9kw rated at 230v.

Dakota Dan

tinofapples wrote: »

Hi,
Looking at spare room en-suite shower solution, I've put it on the long finger for a long time now. Can anyone tell from the video what might be the issue here:

The water pressure seem to be fine until I turn up the heat

I've the very same tiles in my bathroom however we are sick of looking at them now. It sounds as if the motor is failing. I had an older one of these showers and was able to extend its life by 3 years by getting parts from discarded same brand of showers.

Maybe a stupid question but do you get an electrician or a plumber to replace an electric shower? My Mira Elite st doesn't sound great and it has been burning out the switch.

Sleeper12

An Electrician is the best way forward though many don't like to work with water at all. Most plumbers will replace the shower but mightn't test the electrical end of things. Believe it or not I've seen electrician & plumber replace a shower together.

My Mira Elite st doesn't sound great and it has been burning out the switch.

The shower isn't burning out the switch. Switches will burn out but if you are going through a lot of them I'd suspect that they are very cheap switches or they aren't being installed correctly

tinofapples

I emailed Mira Customer Service with my symptoms, they forwarded my query to a third party who i guess cover faults for them, they quoted me 80 quid for a call-out plus the cost of parts.Mentioned it could be a flow valve,pump or blockage in filter. I've already taken the filter out and cleaned it. At the mentioned prices I think I'm as well off replacing the shower with a new one when I get a chance.

Sleeper12

Shower doctors are usually 95 for a call out so I'm wondering if it's 80 plus vat or something

Flow valve is another 55 on top of the 80. 135 or so in total. If your shower is 6 years or less it would be worth spending this. Anything over 6 years I'd be looking at replacing it with the triton t90sr. The new mira elite qt is problematic, a lemon imo.

Replacement showers in Dublin are around 325 for the mira elite qt & 335 for the triton t90sr supplied & fitted. Just to give you an idea of weather to repair or replace.

There's a sticker at the bottom of the shower. It has the manufacturer date. Week number and year. Your shower was most likely installed 3 to 6 months after this date. Again this will give you an idea of the age

tinofapples

Thanks again, yeah I was thinking it could quickly reach 150+ and yes the shower is over 6 yrs old, the part that's killing me is it didn't get all that much use. It was in a guest room en-suite. I think I'll follow your advice on the Triton it shouldn't be a problem swapping out with regards to entry points.

Thanks again for your words of wisdom.

Webbs

Am I right in thinking that there is no cheap alternative to replacing a Mira ST?

Ours runs and we get a flow for a little while but no heat and then its just stops.

This is a shower that is used maybe half a dozen times a year and I want the cheapest solution for a replacement. Getting someone out to look at it just doesnt seem like a good idea as more than likely will need replacing anyway.

Sleeper12

Webbs wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that there is no cheap alternative to replacing a Mira ST?

Ours runs and we get a flow for a little while but no heat and then its just stops.

This is a shower that is used maybe half a dozen times a year and I want the cheapest solution for a replacement. Getting someone out to look at it just doesnt seem like a good idea as more than likely will need replacing anyway.

What stops?

The water flow? or the whole shower, pump and all stops?

When you do have flow & its cold does the low flow light come on?

Webbs

Sleeper12 wrote: »

What stops?

The water flow? or the whole shower, pump and all stops?

When you do have flow & its cold does the low flow light come on?

Sorry had been ages since we had turned that shower on so checked again.

When turned on water flows with loud noise from assuming the pump but low flow light is on. Noise carries on for a couple of minutes then stops but water keeps going. All the time the water flow is low and there is no heat to the water

Sleeper12

Webbs wrote: »

Sorry had been ages since we had turned that shower on so checked again.

When turned on water flows with loud noise from assuming the pump but low flow light is on. Noise carries on for a couple of minutes then stops but water keeps going. All the time the water flow is low and there is no heat to the water

It's a dead motor or the brushes in the motor

tinofapples

My mother had the Elite St and changed to a Triton so I inherited the Elite and fitted it to replace my one. We'll see how long it lasts , if was working fine for her but got limited use , more a fan of the bath she is ;-)

Webbs

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's a dead motor or the brushes in the motor

So no point getting , someone out. Just replace it

Sleeper12

Webbs wrote:

So no point getting , someone out. Just replace it

Mira parts are very expensive. You're looking at the over 200 for a new motor supply and fitted

Webbs

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Mira parts are very expensive. You're looking at the over 200 for a new motor supply and fitted

Thanks for your help. Is frustrating as for something that is used once in a blue moon I wanted a cheap alternative and that doesnt seem likely

Sleeper12

Webbs wrote: »

Thanks for your help. Is frustrating as for something that is used once in a blue moon I wanted a cheap alternative and that doesnt seem likely

Recommended motor might suit the.

http://dublinshowerrepair.com/showerparts/product/mira-elite-st-pump-motor/

pipsdad

Hi, I've read through all but can't see a definitive answer, I'm replacing a Mira Elite ST and want to put in Triton T90sr, is footprint the same or will the plumber have extra to do? the Mira is 90mm from right wall, sorry if its been asked before?

Sleeper12

pipsdad wrote: »

Hi, I've read through all but can't see a definitive answer, I'm replacing a Mira Elite ST and want to put in Triton T90sr, is footprint the same or will the plumber have extra to do? the Mira is 90mm from right wall, sorry if its been asked before?

The Mira Elite is taller than the Triton so the real question is your shower fully tiled behind?

The Triton should fit in the available space or the pipe might need to be moved a few mm. This isn't a problem in a stud partition.

If you live in an area that has dedicated shower repair companies they can bring a few showers with them. For anyone changing from Mira to triton I'd always bring a Mira & Triton because you never know if it's tiled behind till the old shower comes off the wall

pipsdad

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The Mira Elite is taller than the Triton so the real question is your shower fully tiled behind?

The Triton should fit in the available space or the pipe might need to be moved a few mm. This isn't a problem in a stud partition.

If you live in an area that has dedicated shower repair companies they can bring a few showers with them. For anyone changing from Mira to triton I'd always bring a Mira & Triton because you never know if it's tiled behind till the old shower comes off the wall

I'm pretty positive its fully tiled. You are a gent, thanks.

pipsdad

Looking around this looks the best deal on these €214 delivered.. https://www.woodies.ie/triton-t90sr-9kw-silent-pumped-electric-shower-1128888

Sleeper12

pipsdad wrote:

Looking around this looks the best deal on these €214 delivered..

For this weekend only I'm told so I wouldn't wait around

pipsdad

Sleeper12 wrote: »

For this weekend only I'm told so I wouldn't wait around

Ordered, thanks for sharing your knowledge.:)

glog

largepants wrote: »

Was hoping you'd be the poster to answer my queries.

I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. My wife would prefer the silent shower so I'll ask the showerman to bring both the tritons. I'm in Cork otherwise I'd ask you to do it.

Thanks again.

Hi Largepants,
Apologies in advance for bumping an old thread.
Did you get this job done in the end?
I am in Cork and have the exact same dilemma - swapping out a MiraElite ST for a Triton.
Finding it difficult to get someone to take on the work.
Every one i contacted just wants to come in and out and only just swap like for like. 390 euro is the going rate in Cork for supply and fit the Mira Elite QT.
More like 320 euro in Dubland.

Can yuo recommend anyone?
Many thanks in advance.
gLog..

Sleeper12

glog wrote:

Can yuo recommend anyone? Many thanks in advance. gLog..

I've sent you a pm with someone's details just in case largepants doesn't get back to you. It's close to Christmas and we're all flat out at the moment