** Appealing LC results - Q&A, Discussion (Important info in first post) **

randylonghorn

So ... as it's coming up to the time for viewing scripts / deciding on appeals, we might try one of these 'megathreads' like we do with the CAO offers, and see if we can cut down on the usual 15 threads on the first page asking much the same questions!

Some info which might be helpful below, based on common questions in past years (this may be updated over time).


Viewing scripts / deciding whether to appeal.

By far the best way to decide whether or not it's worth appealing is to

1. View your scripts in conjunction with the marking schemes

2. Arrange for your teacher / another teacher of the subject to go through the scripts with you (preferably a teacher who is an experienced corrector at LC level). They will have a far better idea than you will whether it's worth appealing.

(Don't just assume that your teachers will be there on the day at the time you wander in, they have lives too. Contact them in advance and ask them / arrange a time which they can make. You may need to do this through the school.)


Remember:

SEC wrote:

Can anyone else view my script?
Only if they are accompanying you to the viewing. As the candidate concerned ... you must be present in person at the viewing centre in order to do so. Your scripts will not be released to any other person even with your permission.

SEC wrote:

A candidate or any person accompanying him/her must not bring writing instruments (neither biros nor pencils), mobile phones or cameras into the viewing centre.

You may however bring a calculator with you.

SEC Information note for candidates viewing scripts.


When deciding whether to send in the appeal, bear in mind this good advice from an experienced examiner:

You don't get sympathy marks on an appeal. If you send back a paper for appeal the entire paper is corrected from scratch.

If something was missed the first time and is in the marking scheme and merits marks, it will be awarded marks.

If you are 1 mark off an A1 and you appeal it you will not be brought up to an A1 automatically just because you sent it back. You will not be upgraded just because you appealed, there has to be something there that merits marks that was not given marks the first time.

A common question: My paper seems to have been marked twice, once in red and once in green pen, why?

Your paper has been marked once by your Asst. Examiner (red) and also by an Advising Examiner, the next grade up (green) as part of the quality control process. Given that it has been marked twice already, unless you spot something very obvious, a successful appeal is pretty unlikely in this case.


Viewing dates / times:

Session 1. Friday, 1st September, 6.00 pm to 9.00 pm
Session 2. Saturday, 2nd September, 9.00 am to 12.00 noon
Session 3. Saturday, 2nd September, 2.00 pm to 5.00 pm


How to appeal / appeal fee / how to pay (click)

Take Your Pants Off

''What is the appeal closing date?
The closing date for receipt of completed appeal applications for the 2017 Leaving Certificate Examinations is 2PM on Tuesday, 5th September, 2017. The closing date for Junior Certificate appeals will be announced at a later date.''
Does that mean, this is the closing date for the payment ?. So I can view the scrips on those dates and then decide if I want to appeal or not ? If I do want to get a subject appealed, I have by 5th Sept to pay ?

carefulnowted

Can you go in at any of the times listed? On the letter it said I would be contacted with a time to go in, but I haven't been yet.

oscillation

Will the marking schemes be provided or is there somewhere we can print them off and bring them in?

spurious

They will be provided. They are usually online also from the viewing dates.

carefulnowted wrote: »

Can you go in at any of the times listed? On the letter it said I would be contacted with a time to go in, but I haven't been yet.

When you applied to view, you checked a time you wanted. That's the time you will get, barring anything unforeseen.

randylonghorn

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

''What is the appeal closing date?
The closing date for receipt of completed appeal applications for the 2017 Leaving Certificate Examinations is 2PM on Tuesday, 5th September, 2017. The closing date for Junior Certificate appeals will be announced at a later date.''
Does that mean, this is the closing date for the payment ?. So I can view the scrips on those dates and then decide if I want to appeal or not ? If I do want to get a subject appealed, I have by 5th Sept to pay ?

You need to have paid and get your payment proof back to the school by then ... "The form duly stamped by the bank should then be returned to the school so that your scripts can be associated with it and forwarded to the Commission."

Read the section before the one you quoted again, TYPO ... though I will agree that it could be a lot clearer!!

spurious wrote: »

They are usually online also from the viewing dates.

And it really isn't any harm to have a look before you go in, if you have time, so that you won't be looking at them for the first time when you sit down with your scripts.

Liordi

I presume the marking schemes go up on the first then?

I'm looking at every paper out of pure nosiness. I just wanna know my percentages.

randylonghorn

Yeah, or maybe even the day before, I can't remember tbh.

It's no harm to have a look, you won't get another chance.

carefulnowted

spurious wrote: »

When you applied to view, you checked a time you wanted. That's the time you will get, barring anything unforeseen.

Oh...I thought that section was to be filled out and sent back to me. Should I ring my school and check what time I have?

Liordi

carefulnowted wrote: »

Oh...I thought that section was to be filled out and sent back to me. Should I ring my school and check what time I have?

I didn't fill out that section either. I thought that we didn't have to because you fill in your address on the opposite side.

spurious

Ring the school in the morning and ask to speak to the teacher in charge of it. They will be glad of the break away from the tedium of meetings that take place the first day back.

judeboy101

spurious wrote: »

They will be provided. They are usually online also from the viewing dates.



When you applied to view, you checked a time you wanted. That's the time you will get, barring anything unforeseen.

You are not supposed to "check the time" on slip, that's for the supervisor to decide. Otherwise everyone would pick Fri eve 6-9 and the place would be packed. There can only be 10 viewings per session per room. In my school we run 2rooms fri one sat morn as most teachers only available Fri eve.

spurious

judeboy101 wrote: »

You are not supposed to "check the time" on slip, that's for the supervisor to decide. Otherwise everyone would pick Fri eve 6-9 and the place would be packed. There can only be 10 viewings per session per room. In my school we run 2rooms fri one sat morn as most teachers only available Fri eve.

Sorry, my mistake.
In our school, we used to have a rough sheet available on the results day, so people had an idea when they would be in.

gerard98

So I received in my post today for the response to my application to view my Leaving certificate scripts, but unfortunately I will be unable to attend my allocated time slot. This is due to having to work at an unusual time that I normally don't work at, so I didn't expect to be unavailable to view it. Would anyone know if it's possible in any way to request a change for my allocated time slot?

I already tried to get off of work and I cant

randylonghorn

Contact your school ASAP, I'd be pretty optimistic that they would be able to change you round if you explain what has happened.

randylonghorn

Liordi wrote: »

I presume the marking schemes go up on the first then?

randylonghorn wrote: »

Yeah, or maybe even the day before, I can't remember tbh.

Marking schemes are available on examinations.ie now!

Liordi

I looked through the marking schemes and I genuinely can't remember what answers I wrote for things anyway. Guess I'll have to wait it out.

randylonghorn

Liordi wrote: »

I looked through the marking schemes and I genuinely can't remember what answers I wrote for things anyway. Guess I'll have to wait it out.

Most people won't tbh, but at least if you've had a quick look in advance you'll have a fair idea how they're laid out, and they won't be totally new to you on the day.

spurious

Scarlet when you do see some of the things you wrote.

DubStudent365

Can you arrive during any time in your slot or do you have to be there from the beginning?My slots for 6-9 Friday but I can't get there until 7/7:30.

randylonghorn

That should be fine, I suspect.

hasdanta

So I know the marking schemes are provided to us, but are the exam papers provided to us as well with the questions on them?

judeboy101

hasdanta wrote: »

So I know the marking schemes are provided to us, but are the exam papers provided to us as well with the questions on them?

No,unless your school is super organised and kind. The dept do not supply them.

aon1998

are we allowed to print out our own marking scheme/question papers and bring them in?

judeboy101

aon1998 wrote: »

are we allowed to print out our own marking scheme/question papers and bring them in?

Yes, but no pens/pencils or smartphones. Tbh i let ppl use smartphones just put on silent/dont take pics.

aon1998

Grand, Thank You!

padraigmck

Needed to find 21 points, found enough marks for an upgrade in maths but I'm 5 marks short of the next grade in Ag Science, gutted....

Take Your Pants Off

For biology I got 363, and around 30 was disallowed marks in the long section, so essentially I got around 330 ish, I cannot remember the exact score, what does that mean ?
The examiner even wrote in the pages with a pencil, every page e.g. 243,316,363. I guess she was adding up the tally.
But in biology I only answered 4 questions in the long section, and I did not answer any extra question.

rainbowtrout

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

For biology I got 363, and around 30 was disallowed marks in the long section, so essentially I got around 330 ish, I cannot remember the exact score, what does that mean ?
The examiner even wrote in the pages with a pencil, every page e.g. 243,316,363. I guess she was adding up the tally.
But in biology I only answered 4 questions in the long section, and I did not answer any extra question.

Did you answer an extra question in section A or B?

Take Your Pants Off

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Did you answer an extra question in section A or B?

Yeah I answered extra question in B but, I made sure those marks were not included in the 363. My first question marks started off with like a smaller number that was not the added sum of the a and b. Is it common for examiner to bring forward marks from a section in the booklet onto the answer page.

spurious

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

Is it common for examiner to bring forward marks from a section in the booklet onto the answer page.

I know in some subjects examiners are instructed to do that. It's a second check on the total.
Sometimes you get people answer booklet questions on the writing pages and essay questions in the booklet. Examiners have to make sure they don't count something twice.

daraghwal

An error was made when totalling the marks for one of my questions. I have filled in form AP1 etc. and my paper will receive immediate attention outside the appeals process. Does anyone know when they get back to me about it and tell me if they've brought me up a grade, giving me the opportunity to go ahead with a full appeal or get refunded?

Liordi

daraghwal wrote: »

An error was made when totalling the marks for one of my questions. I have filled in form AP1 etc. and my paper will receive immediate attention outside the appeals process. Does anyone know when they get back to me about it and tell me if they've brought me up a grade, giving me the opportunity to go ahead with a full appeal or get refunded?

I remember reading examinations.ie and it said that you may need to appeal because you don't hear back from the AP1 form until after the appeals close.

daraghwal

Liordi wrote: »

I remember reading examinations.ie and it said that you may need to appeal because you don't hear back from the AP1 form until after the appeals close.

Yes, I have payed for a formal appeal etc. as the SEC must have appeal forms tomorrow, but on the form about rectification outside the appeals process it said I will be afforded the opportunity to appeal or not depending on the outcome of the process outside the appeal. It does not say a time and I'm just wondering do people here know from past experiences when this would be?

daraghwal

daraghwal wrote: »

Yes, I have payed for a formal appeal etc. as the SEC must have appeal forms tomorrow, but on the form about rectification outside the appeals process it said I will be afforded the opportunity to appeal or not depending on the outcome of the process outside the appeal. It does not say a time and I'm just wondering do people here know from past experiences when this would be?

Anyone?

judeboy101

daraghwal wrote: »

Anyone?

Usually 3 weeks from the tues they are sent back (Tues after viewing)

oscillation

Has anyone any idea when the results of the appeals will be available? How are we given them? Do we have to go into the school to receive them like the Leaving Cert results? I've looked around for these answers but can't seem to find any.

rainbowtrout

oscillation wrote: »

Has anyone any idea when the results of the appeals will be available? How are we given them? Do we have to go into the school to receive them like the Leaving Cert results? I've looked around for these answers but can't seem to find any.

It's usually the wednesday of the second week of october. You can get them in the school that day, and I think if you still have your pin you can login and get them online.

So I'd be guessing at 11th October, but possibly the 18th.

daraghwal

Has anyone got back anything from the 'seeking rectification outside the appeals process' thing?

LC2017

Should we expect them tomorrow?

rainbowtrout

LC2017 wrote: »

Should we expect them tomorrow?

Yes

daraghwal

Do they send them into the school the same as the results or what way does it work? Will there be another sheet with all the results together on it? Can I use the same pin from the LC to just look at them online?

rainbowtrout

daraghwal wrote: »

Do they send them into the school the same as the results or what way does it work? Will there be another sheet with all the results together on it? Can I use the same pin from the LC to just look at them online?

You can use the same pin to view them online.

The sheet with your results comes to the school like in August. Only the subjects you appealed are listed. The subject will be listed with the grade. It will either say Upgraded, Downgraded or No change beside the grade.

oscillation

If my points do go up, are CAO offers immediately given out or is there a specific date for that?

Take Your Pants Off

oscillation wrote: »

If my points do go up, are CAO offers immediately given out or is there a specific date for that?

I want to know that aswell, also I got an upgrade where do I go to get my 40E ?

DubStudent365

I don't have my online info will I receive the updates in the post?

bob11

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

I want to know that aswell, also I got an upgrade where do I go to get my 40E ?

Did you log in online to get results ? is it just the same screen as before with the result changes, or does it say appealed result is xx

Take Your Pants Off

bob11 wrote: »

Did you log in online to get results ? is it just the same screen as before with the result changes, or does it say appealed result is xx

I rang my school, as I forgot my pin.

rainbowtrout

oscillation wrote: »

If my points do go up, are CAO offers immediately given out or is there a specific date for that?

Offers if there are any will be out tomorrow, you can log into your CAO account to check.

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

I want to know that aswell, also I got an upgrade where do I go to get my 40E ?

I presume it's refunded through your bank, i don't really know because I rarely meet the students who are upgraded, they are in college at that stage. You don't have to apply for it though.

oscillation

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Offers if there are any will be out tomorrow, you can log into your CAO account to check.

Trinity just told me it would be Friday, might be specific to them though. Either way I'm hopeful!:D

Take Your Pants Off

Anyone got any offers yet, do they still send out offers even if the course if full i.e. inform you about possibility of next year ?.
Also do you have to ring the uni yourself or all done by cao.