Monthly Medal, do you have to qualify?

Seve OB

I'm a member in Greystones for 30 years. We have to play 3 qualifying competitions during the year before we can win the Captains and I'm pretty sure most clubs are similar. Medals are just a typical competition and if it is your first game of the year, no probs, you can win it.

So, I'm also a member in Castleknock. Up to about 3 weeks ago I was a 5 day member, played in a few midweek comps during the year and recently played in a weekend qualifier for a matchplay which was open to 5 & 7 day members. It was a week long intensive competition and I not only qualified, but I played almost every day for a week and won the overall final the following Saturday. I decided to upgrade my membership and become a full member and played the following Saturday in the intermediate Scratch Cup. That was last weekend. Then I played yesterday in the monthly medal. I shot the round of my life, my best ever qualifying round of 78, net 65 and won the medal. Or so I thought.........

Results were removed from How Did I Do last night. This afternoon I got a text from the competition secretary asking me to call him. I'm just off the phone. And angry.

So he tells me that I can't win the medal as I hadn't played in 3 qualifying competitions during the year. But I have! Oh no you haven't he says. They must have been Saturday or Sunday competitions only open to full members, so the Scratch Cup and the matchplay qualifier do not count. No midweek competitions count at all. These are not just 5 day competitions, but are also open to full members, but they don't count. Now in Greystones, to qualify for the captains you must play in 3 competitions, but it doesn't matter if they are Monday, Wednesday, Saturday or Sunday or whenever, a qualifying competition is simply that, and not restricted to only a weekend one.

Money was taken when I checked in ( €9 instead of the usual €7 because it was a medal) and I was never informed I couldn't win. Indeed if I knew I couldn't win, I wouldn't have even played, I only ever enter a competition to win. Another thing I was not told either when I entered the 2's was that they only count if you get one on the 9th or 18th. Anywhere else doesn't count, which is fair enough, but it should be told. I had a 2 on 9!

Now I've had issues before with the administration in Castleknock and let them know about it, but it always seemed to be someone else's responsibility! But I rejoined this year and see an improvement, but still a lot of flaws. I've sponsored the 18th tee box for the year. I eat and drink regularly in the bar/restaurant with the family. I play casual and competition golf most weeks and practice there. I've become a good club man. Never once have I received any kind of welcome pack or email with any club rules. There is a website which was dire, but has been upgraded and is a lot better, but still poor as it is not updated regularly with results etc. There is a members section, but very little there and no rules or regs to be found on it. Now apparently there is another website that has nothing got to do at all with the main website and is not even linked. I've heard about it, but it's got some weird name and I don't know what it is. I've raised the issue before with several people but never seen it addressed.

So rant over, feeling hard done by, but not taking it lying down.

Does your club require you to play in 3 qualifying competitions before you can win the medal? Would these qualifiers be restricted to weekend competitions or do midweek and open competitions (mainly just members playing anyway) count. I'd be interested to know which clubs operate similar policies and which don't as I have never heard of anything like this before

A Shaved Duck?

Sounds like sour grapes to me, if you are a full member with an official handicap why would there be 3 qualifying rounds before you can win.

ForeRight

As a matter of interest who came second?
Committee member or buddy of one maybe?

Seve OB

ForeRight wrote: »

As a matter of interest who came second?
Committee member or buddy of one maybe?

Not sure.

Seve OB

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Sounds like sour grapes to me, if you are a full member with an official handicap why would there be 3 qualifying rounds before you can win.

I take it you mean someone else has the sour grapes and not me?

I'm interested in finding out what other clubs do so that I can back up my case. I've never heard of any club who had to have cards in before you could win a medal..... Captains yes, but not a medal

Seve OB

No matter what, they can't take this away from me and my 1.9 cut and ESR of a further .5 I didn't actually play that well, it's an easy course and no punishment for bad shots, but I still had to get the ball in the cup

Ben1977

Sounds very strange SeveOB, only restriction for comp is Capts in our place. Ask to see the club constitution. All rules should be there and available to all members

golfer79

I would very politely suggest that when you have calmed down in the morning, you may feel that putting the general thrust of your original post in writing to the club might yield better results than posting it here on an open forum with your name attached. Then seek opinions from others here if no resolution. I understand why you feel hard done by and I'd be the same.

Macker1

Ben1977 wrote: »

Sounds very strange SeveOB, only restriction for comp is Capts in our place. Ask to see the club constitution. All rules should be there and available to all members

Good advice there.........To the best of my knowledge its that same at my club in regards to eligibility to win say the Captains or Presidents prize but not certain about winning a medal comp.

The (v) after your name I assume is for visitor ??

Seve OB

Macker1 wrote: »

Good advice there.........To the best of my knowledge its that same at my club in regards to eligibility to win say the Captains or Presidents prize but not certain about winning a medal comp.

The (v) after your name I assume is for visitor ??

Well V is because I'm a visitor alright, but I'm not really. I'm still a member and play most of my golf in Greystones so my handicap is kept there so that's why How Did I Do mark me as a visitor in Castleknock, it is my away club.

ridonkulous

Sounds like a load of bull to me what they've done but if I was in your position I'd let it go, not worth the time you'll waste thinking about it and getting angrier and angrier. Is it worth spending potentially hours of your time for a prize of €100 or whatever it is? It's a golf club, by their very nature they'll try and screw you. I've seen/heard all sorts over the years, this isn't even close to the worst.

Only qualifying in our place is Captain's and President's which you can only win if you were in the handicap review for the previous year which I think is a great idea. I've never heard of any such requirement for a medal, a medal is after all just another comp with a modified scoring system.

finglashoop

I think youre getting shafted.

Dtoffee

I could understand if it was a major, but a medal !!!! I would be really pissed off with that carry on tbh ..... you paid your full subs in good faith and I take it that you were not informed of this local rule as they took your money.

I would try and find out if there was a complaint made or a question asked (all it takes is a bitter loser in your matchplay success to see an opportunity for revenge and quietly have a word with the Comp Sec).

I have never heard of such a rule for Medal comps and find it a very small minded thing to do as you are a full member and not some unknown bandito.

I would talk to the Captain and certainly ask for evidence that this rule has been used before (you should be entitled to a definitive answer and not a simple 'yes').

martinkop

Sounds crap Seve, never heard of it before for a Medal.

Unfortunately I found this link, which does not go well for you. A bit daft the club don't circulate this members website to new members.


http://www.ck.qcreaner.com/poty17/

Tom.D.BJJ

First (and most importantly), well done on playing such a great round and getting a nice cut as a reward. Was the medal off the back sticks?

Here's what it says in the Corrstown club diary in relation to winning prizes.



A qualifying comp is further clarified as a qualifying competition at a members home club or an Open/Invitation competition at a GUI venue.

I suspect most clubs would be the same

PARlance

That's a daft rule for a medal, one that I've only really seen for Club Majors.

You don't really have a leg to stand on since the rules have been posted unfortunately. You should still put your thoughts down in writing to them. The obscure webpage, rules not posted in Clubhouse(?), etc.

I wonder if the April medal was a legitimate comp? Would entrants have played "3 qualifying members comps" that early in the year? Most clubs would be playing Winter Rules well into March.

frink

Sounds like they are trying to pull a fast one if you ask me. The majors, fair enough, most clubs would have that rule.

In our club, the first medal of the year is early April, 2-3 weeks after the summer rules kick in. So how would anyone be expected to have played 3 qualifying comps before that.

When is the first medal of summer in Castleknock? Was the ruling applied for this one too

Webbs

I was going to say the same as Frink,

If there is an April Monthly medal, how many will have got 3 qualifying comps in by then? It may be the case that its late March before qualifying starts and getting 3 in would be almost impossible

newport2

Webbs wrote: »

I was going to say the same as Frink,

If there is an April Monthly medal, how many will have got 3 qualifying comps in by then? It may be the case that its late March before qualifying starts and getting 3 in would be almost impossible

Ye, would definitely put this to them. Check out who won it and how many comps they'd been in up to that. I'm in Powerscourt and winter rules only ended on the 28th April this year.

I'd also make the point that the R&A are going out of their way to simplify the rules of golf and make it more appealing to non-golfers. This sort of crap is undermining these efforts. Maybe you could stretch this rule to make some sense if you were a new member who had walked in the door, but as an existing 5-day member who had played many comps it's BS.

Russman

Sounds like you're being hard done by. I'm 99.99% sure the only restriction in my club is that new members (ie members in their first year) can't win the main prize in the Captain's but can win any of the others. I've never heard of a requirement to play X number of counting competitions for an internal club comp.
We also have a Captains Prize to Wednesday Golfers and there's a requirement there to have played in 3 Wednesday competitions to be eligible to win 1st place (tbh I don't think that's even policed nowadays).

Certainly there's nothing about winning a medal. Sure they're really only glorified weekend singles comps - no offence ! The only difference in our place is that most comps are stableford whereas medals are strokes.

But I'd take the view that a counting competition is a counting competition. Not "a counting competition as a full member on a Saturday".

I guess ultimately the club can make up their own rule for eligibility (or can they ? the rules of golf could well say different, not sure), and can be ar$e$ about enforcing it.

Ben1977

Tell them your reasonable, "you can keep the medal, I'll just take the voucher"

Seve OB

I'm not sure about the rule, as in whether or not it is 3 qualifying scores for handicap purposes or just play in three club competitions. There is an April Medal I believe so I would assume that it is just you have to play in 3 club comps, mind you nothing would surprise me at this stage.

I have played numerous handicap qualifying comps both in Castleknock and Greystones this year.

I think it is really odd that they require 3 previous entries before you can win a medal. I think it is unfair and devious they won't recognise any of the comps I have played, just because they weren't on a Saturday or Sunday in full members only comps.

That is just wrong and is really at the core of the bad management of the club that has pissed me off in years gone by. When you join a club, you join a club. But they seem to have a club within a club and you have to be psychic to know about the inner workings because they tell you nothing.

I believe first prize is €180 and you get a medal on presentation night at the end of the year. I was offered second prize of €120. I presume that's pro shop credit. It's not really about the prize value, but more about the prestige if winning the monthly medal for me.

finglashoop

Seve OB wrote: »

I'm not sure about the rule, as in whether or not it is 3 qualifying scores for handicap purposes or just play in three club competitions. There is an April Medal I believe so I would assume that it is just you have to play in 3 club comps, mind you nothing would surprise me at this stage.

I have played numerous handicap qualifying comps both in Castleknock and Greystones this year.

I think it is really odd that they require 3 previous entries before you can win a medal. I think it is unfair and devious they won't recognise any of the comps I have played, just because they weren't on a Saturday or Sunday in full members only comps.

That is just wrong and is really at the core of the bad management of the club that has pissed me off in years gone by. When you join a club, you join a club. But they seem to have a club within a club and you have to be psychic to know about the inner workings because they tell you nothing.

I believe first prize is €180 and you get a medal on presentation night at the end of the year. I was offered second prize of €120. I presume that's pro shop credit. It's not really about the prize value, but more about the prestige if winning the monthly medal for me.

Hang on

If you cant win, as you didnt qualify, how can you come "second" or at least get the prize.

Sounds like sour grapes you've won again.

mighty magpie

No, in my club we don't need to play a certain amount of qualifiers to enter a medal. 1st comp I played was a medal.

We do need to play in 6 qualifiers for captain's day and 3 qualifiers for matchplay however.

Seve OB

Russman wrote: »

Certainly there's nothing about winning a medal. Sure they're really only glorified weekend singles comps - no offence ! The only difference in our place is that most comps are stableford whereas medals are strokes.

I pretty much agree with that. I would add though that there is a prestige to winning a medal. They are the true form of golf being strokes and only half a dozen chances a year to pick one up.

Russman

Seve OB wrote: »

I pretty much agree with that. I would add though that there is a prestige to winning a medal. They are the true form of golf being strokes and only half a dozen chances a year to pick one up.

Absolutely 100%. We used to give medals to every class winner on the day, but about 3/4 years ago switched to just the overall winner receiving an actual medal, really adds to the prestige of winning one.

Seve OB

I wonder if the guys who is in second place knows the craic with whats going on.

If I were in his shoes, I'm not sure I would want to come second in a medal and be hoisted up to the winners position on such a technicality. A hollow victory IMO and not the way any self respecting golfer would want to claim a win.

I did ask the Comp Secretary to review with the rest of the committee and he promised to do that and come back to me, so all is not lost yet.

I do take on board the earlier comments about writing a email which I shall most likely do (I won't be bitter) to point out my grieviences. Part of the reason why I was trying to find out how other clubs operate.

benny79

99.9% of clubs I know you don't have to play 3 events for a medal etc it is bull and your been shafted.. Whatever you do don't let it go! Its not like you were a new member you went from 5 day to full. (I would actually threatening to leave the club and ask for my subs back) which I have done in the past

The admin in my club is brutal. I have numerous fights with the club sec, But the way I see it. Its my club I pay my fees and I will speak my mind if I not happy..

All the senior members now know me been an outsider from Dub and Ive actually made a lot of Golf buddies and I notice nowadays if I have a problem they actually get of their asses and sort it.. As Im a stubborning so & so

Seve OB

benny79 wrote: »

99.9% of clubs I know you don't have to play 3 events for a medal etc it is bull and your been shafted.. Whatever you do don't let it go! Its not like you were a new member you went from 5 day to full. (I would actually threatening to leave the club and ask for my subs back) which I have done in the past

The admin in my club is brutal. I have numerous fights with the club sec, But the way I see it. Its my club I pay my fees and I will speak my mind if I not happy..

All the senior members now know me been an outsider from Dub and Ive actually made a lot of Golf buddies and I notice nowadays if I have a problem they actually get of their asses and sort it.. As Im a stubborning so & so

LOL

I've been a bit the same with Castleknock. It started 2 years ago. I won 2 prizes. It took 5 months of me chasing them to get the first one, and 8 months of chasing to get the second one. Both were just pro shop vouchers. I guess that lies at the core of my frustrations with them, but there have been many other issues which nobody seemed to ever care about. The thing is, they are aware I had issues, and communication is one of them. Yesterday they sent me a welcome email I should have gotten years ago and guess what, in the section with usefull links and websites, they don't even bother listing the secret members website!

I have mentioned it to a good few other friends and colleagues and nobody can understand it. Some went as far to say how unethical it is and I should report to the GUI. Not sure I need to go that far, but I do think calling it unethical is pretty much spot on.

Anyway, I wrote an email to them yesterday and I await their response.

By the way, they are aware of this thread, not sure how.

Rikand

No comps required to play medals in Athlone.

Only restriction is on the 4 majors where members who are not full members cannot win them, but they can come 2nd which is still usually a damn good prize.

Rikand

Hopefully the guy who came "2nd" will do the decent thing on prize giving night and just give you the medal afterwards. Thinking about it, its what I'd do

I might keep the cheque for 180 though

eoghan104

I am interested in seeing what happens here. I am very close to joining Castleknock and have a couple of friends that are members who rave about it. I was away on a golf trip with 6 members just a few weeks ago and the vibes I got from them were excellent.

Having to play 3 comps to win a medal is mental. As has been pointed out what happens for April medal? If someone was a member in a club the previous year and has 3 qualifying scores from that year I can't see the problem. Fair enough for Captain's Prize.

If this strange rule is in the club, I will be doing a lot more research before joining. I just hope there is a good explanation. All of the members I have met are golf mad and passionate about growing the club.

Derek Zoolander

Seve OB wrote: »

LOL

I've been a bit the same with Castleknock. It started 2 years ago. I won 2 prizes. It took 5 months of me chasing them to get the first one, and 8 months of chasing to get the second one. Both were just pro shop vouchers. I guess that lies at the core of my frustrations with them, but there have been many other issues which nobody seemed to ever care about. The thing is, they are aware I had issues, and communication is one of them. Yesterday they sent me a welcome email I should have gotten years ago and guess what, in the section with usefull links and websites, they don't even bother listing the secret members website!

I have mentioned it to a good few other friends and colleagues and nobody can understand it. Some went as far to say how unethical it is and I should report to the GUI. Not sure I need to go that far, but I do think calling it unethical is pretty much spot on.

Anyway, I wrote an email to them yesterday and I await their response.

By the way, they are aware of this thread, not sure how.

Hardly rocket science to figure out how they know about it given its posted on a public forum....

Its a strange rule - given that a medal is just a normal monthly comp...

Seve OB

eoghan104 wrote: »

I am interested in seeing what happens here. I am very close to joining Castleknock and have a couple of friends that are members who rave about it. I was away on a golf trip with 6 members just a few weeks ago and the vibes I got from them were excellent.

Having to play 3 comps to win a medal is mental. As has been pointed out what happens for April medal? If someone was a member in a club the previous year and has 3 qualifying scores from that year I can't see the problem. Fair enough for Captain's Prize.

If this strange rule is in the club, I will be doing a lot more research before joining. I just hope there is a good explanation. All of the members I have met are golf mad and passionate about growing the club.

Are they full or 5 day members? I have done my fair share of raving about the place, not least on numerous threads on Boards.

The credits system is brilliant. The course it is good, not brilliant but has some nice holes and some poor holes, it is easy in parts and tough in other parts. It is forgiving and I find as a big hitter that I do get away with a lot of bad shots that I would be punished for in the likes of Greystones. I honestly think it was badly designed though. And I say that not just as a normal golfer, but as someone who went through the golf digest top 100 as a course reviewer. I can go through that on another thread, this probably not the place for it

The management and administration is better than it was, but it is their downfall. Add to that, their seemingly lack of interest in fixing the problems raised. Eg, one year I brought up an issue with the then Captain. I can't even remember what it was but what I do remember was that he agreed it was a problem, but his response was to shrug his shoulders and say it was nothing to do with him.

benny79

The gas thing is with my club and others like yours, when they struggle for new members they wonder why :rolleyes:

I got a new member in my club at start of year he was only put on the brs system last month! I only asked 5 times, loads of emails & even in person kept been told 5 mins ( lot of other stupid stuff as well.. but that was the main gripe.

He finally had to use the Im leaving & want my subs back until they got it done and apologized and gave him some excuse.. (and it only took 5 mins)

They had a AGM 2 weeks later and said the club is struggling a bit how can they attract new members etc.. Ha.. it really is beggars believe! I didn't go as I say I would've lost the plot and would of being asked to leave

eoghan104

Seve OB wrote: »

Are they full or 5 day members? I have done my fair share of raving about the place, not least on numerous threads on Boards.

The credits system is brilliant. The course it is good, not brilliant but has some nice holes and some poor holes, it is easy in parts and tough in other parts. It is forgiving and I find as a big hitter that I do get away with a lot of bad shots that I would be punished for in the likes of Greystones. I honestly think it was badly designed though. And I say that not just as a normal golfer, but as someone who went through the golf digest top 100 as a course reviewer. I can go through that on another thread, this probably not the place for it

The management and administration is better than it was, but it is their downfall. Add to that, their seemingly lack of interest in fixing the problems raised. Eg, one year I brought up an issue with the then Captain. I can't even remember what it was but what I do remember was that he agreed it was a problem, but his response was to shrug his shoulders and say it was nothing to do with him.

They are all full members as far as I know. My mate in particular is quite the cheerleader but in a good way as he is passionate about making the club a success.

I agree that the course is good but with some poor holes. Pretty much the same as anywhere. I like the layout and as you say it is not that tight or taxing. I was in Bray for 20 years so know all about being able to spray it compared to Greystones!

I very nearly joined Castleknock last year but was swayed in the end to Corrstown. The main gripe for me with Castleknock was the weekend comps only being in the mornings and societies in the afternoon. When I said this to my friend who is member there he was going to request that something be done about that i.e have an hour of tee times in the afternoon. Maybe it won't happen but let's see.

As far as Corrstown goes I can't say enough good things about it. The course is excellent, always well maintained, loads of competition options (maybe too many singles), nice food and great people. Coming from Bray though I miss having a big group of people I know to play with and it is hard to make new friends at my age (mid-thirties) so having a group I know in Castleknock is appealing. Maybe I should give Corrstown one more year. Who knows....

The credit based membership is what appeals to me most about Castleknock. I have played more golf this year than ever with less in my home club than ever. If I was on the credit based membership I would be fine but feel like I am not getting the value out of a normal sub.

I will be interested to see what happens in your case above, it does sound very odd so would like to know more. keep us posted.....

Dtoffee

Any update ? did you ask how this came about ie did someone complain.

Seve OB

Dtoffee wrote: »

Any update ? did you ask how this came about ie did someone complain.

Nope, I haven't heard anything back from them yet. I'm not surprised and it's typical of the poor administration I have experienced over the years. Doubt I will either at this stage as I see the result is posted on their secret website and I'm down as second place.

Couldn't really care less now as I'm off on holidays for the week

Seve OB

While I was away, the committee replied to my email. I wrote if from my work email address as opposed to my personal one which they have on my members record. I was disapointed they didn't have the courtesy to pick up the phone to me or at the very least forward it on to my personal address, especially as they would have received an out of office reposnse. They sent it on the Thursday night following the Medal.

I also received the club rules from the Director of Golf. They are amateurly prepared compared to rules I have seen for other organisations and as a result are unclear in parts, omit relevant information and really lack professionalism. But the rule is there and states this.

• All new members must have played and returned three cards for weekend members’ competition before they can WIN first prize in these competitions.
• In order to enter the match-play competitions, you must have played a minimum of 3 competitions.
• In order to win the Captain’s prize or the President’s prize you must have entered 4 qualifying club competitions.

I really do not think that is clear enough and I was unsure as it fails to mention Medals, but I had my suspicions and the email I received from the committee confirmed those suspicions.

The Welcome Pack clearly sets out that new 7 day members must return three weekend competition cards before they can win first prize in any member’s competition. This includes a medal competition. There are additional requirements set out regarding Captain’s Prize, President’s Prize and Match-play competitions.

So really it gets worse. You are not allowed to win ANY competition, until you have competed in 3.
In my opinion that is encouraging handicap cheating, why bother try if you can't win, so just go out and get .1 back.
Imagine saying to a European tour member, sorry you shot the best score but you can't win this because you just upgraded from the Challenge tour. Is this situation really any different? I think not.

They also mention precedent. I considered not posting these pics, but they are only screen grabs from a free publically available website so it's info already out there in cyberspace.




I ask you was I treated with the same prededent? It appears not to me.

Seve OB

When I first posted this thread, I though I was being denied winning a Medal. Hence me calling it, "Monthly Medal, do you have to Qualify"

But after my post above and clarification on the rule from the club, I feel I should ask the Mods to change the title to make the situation clearer, and maybe leaving this post in place to identify the change.

"In your club, do you have to play 3 weekend competitions, before you can win any?"

PARlance

Bit OTT expecting them to know you were using a different email in fairness. Receiving an out of office is fairly common and it's not going to prompt a rush to verify the email you gave upon membership.

A phone call would be good but it's important to get all the details down first.

That said, the rules still seem unclear and having to play 3 weekend comps before you can win one is just daft imo. I would be annoyed too. Did they have any response re not providing you with a full info pack upon signing?

It isn't quite clear from your post what happened re precedent?

Seve OB

Fair points re the email etc and I agree with you. It just would have been the courteous thing to do IMO considering the situation.

PARlance wrote: »

Did they have any response re not providing you with a full info pack upon signing?

It isn't quite clear from your post what happened re precedent?

Nope, just that they accepted I wasn't given the information and that it would be sent to all members again. That was 11 days ago and they still haven't sent it out.

Sorry, I thought the pictures would spell it out.

Last year, David shoots 67 and gets first place and first prize. But Philip who only shot 68 gets the medal. I shoot the winning score and am demoted to second place and prize and Daniel is given the medal and first prize.

It is possible there are other precedents but that was all I could find and I was told it only happened once before.

benny79

Did you bring the example of the previous incident with David and Daniel to their attention? I would and ask why you weren't treated the same! I know you still wouldn't get the medal but I still would want to be recognised as the winner and given the proper prize money even just to piss them off! And plus the fact you never received your information pack!.

I know one thing at my club if you enter a competition and your not eligible to win it they tell you when you're paying the competition fee 90% of the time..

Seve OB

benny79 wrote: »

Did you bring the example of the previous incident with David and Daniel to their attention? I would and ask why you weren't treated the same! I know you still wouldn't get the medal but I still would want to be recognised as the winner and given the proper prize money even just to piss them off! And plus the fact you never received your information pack!.

I know one thing at my club if you enter a competition and your not eligible to win it they tell you when you're paying the competition fee 90% of the time..

Yea I went back to them yesterday, raised a few queries with them, showed them the example and asked to be treated the same. I have asked them to explain why they have the rule in place, have pointed out a few quotes in their rules and that it conflicts with and have asked why it clearly goes against those rules. I have also asked them to remove the rule and to come back to me with answers

I'm not giving up on it, not because I want to be a pr1ck and sh1tstirrer in the Club, but more because it is the most ludicrous rule I have ever seen. I am not playing in any competitions I can't win and I have no idea if there is any way around this rule. It really is not clear. Eg. what happens if I play in a fourball with a lad who has been playing there for years and we win? Or is playing a fourball even acceptable as a qualifying competition?

Dtoffee

I'm amazed at the carry on of those in charge ..... this is not some newly set up society, they have years of experience and yet still have not learned when to put their hands up to a mistake. Once you provided proof that another member was treated differently, they should have apologised and treated you the same as the previous incident.

It does smell of someone sh1tstirring and pushing the committee into a rush call and now they have backed themselves into a corner. Stand you ground as you have every right to be treated equally in this case.

eoghan104

First of all the rule that you need to play in 3 comps before you win one is daft. I understand the premise for majors and I could maybe at a push understand doing it for medals, but ANY weekend comp is stupid. As you say, can I not win a fourball if playing with a long standing member? It doesn't exactly encourage new members to get involved and meet people!

I do think you have been unfairly treated and the committee made a balls of it. However, the fact is you are now going to get a name as a moany bol**cks if you keep banging on about it over 50 quid. You need to make a decision there depending on how much you want to be involved in the club in the future, do you want to be THAT guy?

I can tell you there is a core group of lads there trying to make a go of the club and I think the future is bright.

The prizes seem excellent! €180 for a medal is super. What is the entry fee if you don't mind me asking?

Seve OB

eoghan104 wrote: »

However, the fact is you are now going to get a name as a moany bol**cks if you keep banging on about it over 50 quid. You need to make a decision there depending on how much you want to be involved in the club in the future, do you want to be THAT guy?

I can tell you there is a core group of lads there trying to make a go of the club and I think the future is bright.

Yea I did consider that alright and I'm not the type of fella who normally keeps banging on. However I have made a decision of sorts anyway. It is not about the €50. It is about the principle. Yea I don't really want to walk away from the club, but I am not happy with the rule. Not just for me, but for everyone, as you and everyone bar none who I have discussed with agrees, it is a stupid daft rule.

Judging by your comment you seem to know the core group of lads there do you? I wouldn't disagree they are trying to make a go of it and I really hope they do, but they have issues they need to address and if nobody kicks off, these issues will be swept under the rug.

So my decision is not to let this go, and I'm not just doing it for me, but rather for the club, as I want them to see the mistakes they are making and at the very least consider making changes.

eoghan104 wrote: »

The prizes seem excellent! €180 for a medal is super. What is the entry fee if you don't mind me asking?

IMO it is to much. Normal comp fee is €5. Medal is €7. I've never heard of a club who chages more for a medal.

eoghan104

Fair enough on standing your ground and fair play to you. As I said I agree it's a stupid rule, maybe this will make them look at it.

I'm not sure how many of the lads I know are on the committee, one of them at least was involved in picking teams this year. I am pretty sure they would agree this is a stupid rule also so I must ask. When I mentioned one concern I had about joining was the lack of weekend comps that were on all day (ie timesheet stops around 11am I think?) one of the lads said he would ask the committee about making an hour slot available in the afternoon or something.

€5/€7 is not expensive for a comp these days, especially with prizes that good.

Seve OB

eoghan104 wrote: »

Fair enough on standing your ground and fair play to you. As I said I agree it's a stupid rule, maybe this will make them look at it.

I'm not sure how many of the lads I know are on the committee, one of them at least was involved in picking teams this year. I am pretty sure they would agree this is a stupid rule also so I must ask. When I mentioned one concern I had about joining was the lack of weekend comps that were on all day (ie timesheet stops around 11am I think?) one of the lads said he would ask the committee about making an hour slot available in the afternoon or something.

€5/€7 is not expensive for a comp these days, especially with prizes that good.

yea but I don't think the prizes are that good for a normal week. maybe €60 or so, I'm not sure really.

Eg timesheet is full for Saturday and Sunday next. last tee is 10:20. loads on the waiting list.
It is one big flaw in the place alright.

eoghan104

Ah that's not great now!

benny79

eoghan104 wrote: »

I do think you have been unfairly treated and the committee made a balls of it. However, the fact is you are now going to get a name as a moany bol**cks if you keep banging on about it over 50 quid. You need to make a decision there depending on how much you want to be involved in the club in the future, do you want to be THAT guy?

Sorry I disagree imo not enough members kick up a fuss when they are unhappy with something! From his earlier example of the other 2 lads they seem to have 1 rule for 1 and another for someone else.. He wasn't given a information pack plus they took his comp fees .. He won the comp fair and square didnt cheat etc... plus is not a new member has been a 5 day member for a x no of years I think he said!

Trust me there's lads in my club that complain for a lot less! He is been hard done by imo and I wouldn't care how I came across.

Golf is about honestly after all..