Serie A Superthread

Tylerdurex

UEFA are going to throw the book at Milan for FFP breaches because they literally have no Money left. They spent the bribe money in the summer too

Rekop dog

FCIM wrote: »

Casillas came up through the Real Madrid ranks, they knew what they had with him and he cost them nothing. At a bare minimum they'd have to pay €25 million for Donnarumma and probably much more, maybe around double to convince Milan to let him go. It would be a hell of a gamble on someone so young, who has already proved himself an idiot whereas Casillas was no gamble because he was a Madrid youth player.

Your original point was about the age profile, he's less of a gamble than putting a 16 year old Casillas in goal that's for sure. He's got great experience for someone his age and has phenomenal physical presence for an 18 year old.

The money is hardly a big consideration for a team of Real's financial muscle.

FCIM

Rekop dog wrote: »

Your original point was about the age profile, he's less of a gamble than putting a 16 year old Casillas in goal that's for sure. He's got great experience for someone his age and has phenomenal physical presence for an 18 year old.

The money is hardly a big consideration for a team of Real's financial muscle.

Real Madrid did not put a 16 year old Casillas in goal. He was called up as reserve but he didn't debut until 1999 when he was 18. And the risk is not lesser with Donnarumma when you are talking about a player who has no knowledge of Spanish football compared to someone who had gone through the Madrid system since day one and they had been able to watch closely day in day out and nurture and judge at first hand whether he was ready or not and was free; Madrid are rich but even the richest clubs try to spend as wisely as possible.

Rekop dog

FCIM wrote: »

Real Madrid did not put a 16 year old Casillas in goal. He was called up as reserve but he didn't debut until 1999 when he was 18. And the risk is not lesser with Donnarumma when you are talking about a player who has no knowledge of Spanish football compared to someone who had gone through the Madrid system since day one and they had been able to watch closely day in day out and nurture and judge at first hand whether he was ready or not and was free; Madrid are rich but even the richest clubs try to spend as wisely as possible.

He's in goal:pac:, the dimensions don't change in different countries. He's by far the best young goalkeeper in world football. There's very few sides he wouldn't slot into even at his tender age.

FCIM

Rekop dog wrote: »

He's in goal:pac:, the dimensions don't change in different countries. He's by far the best young goalkeeper in world football. There's very few sides he wouldn't slot into even at his tender age.

The dimensions don't, no, but the style of play does. How teams attack does. Joe Hart is an example of a goalkeeper who has had a decent career in one country and was useless in another; he kept goal for City and England for years before looking very weak at Torino. I never once said he wasn't a great prospect, I think he's in danger of throwing that away though. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the risk element though.

irishman86

FCIM wrote: »

The dimensions don't, no, but the style of play does. How teams attack does. Joe Hart is an example of a goalkeeper who has had a decent career in one country and was useless in another; he kept goal for City and England for years before looking very weak at Torino. I never once said he wasn't a great prospect, I think he's in danger of throwing that away though. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the risk element though.

Joe Hart played behind a new defence, Torino sold both centre backs before he signed. Torino wanted to keep him on so you dont know what your talking about regarding him

pjohnson

irishman86 wrote: »

Joe Hart played behind a new defence, Torino sold both centre backs before he signed. Torino wanted to keep him on so you dont know what your talking about regarding him

You REALLY like Hart

ERG89

FCIM wrote:

He's a clown. Massive opportunity for him at Milan to cement a position in, whilst being the second Milanese team , a huge European club which sooner or later is going to have an upturn in fortunes and he's throwing it away. Reminds me of Balotelli in so many ways.

He's been made a real fool of by his agent but has been actively contributing to his own mistakes. He has a handy gig at Milan as he was not under as much pressure as signings made & when he made mistakes fans never got on his back which helped his development early on. Ultra harsh to say but since he came into the side he hasnt improved as much in the last year or so. Still poor with his feet for example. I don't have much sympathy for him & Bonucci with their sappy photo midweek. Pair of them are on a lot of money especially for a side not delivering results or performances in Serie A. The reaction is entirely his own fault as he choses to represent himself. 200k & the club employ your brother who is worthless.
Regarding Hart:
I'm amazed him being weak diving to his left was figured out in Italy so quick. Think he's better than the last 2 seasons tho.

irishman86

pjohnson wrote: »

You REALLY like Hart

Yes

FCIM

irishman86 wrote: »

Joe Hart played behind a new defence, Torino sold both centre backs before he signed. Torino wanted to keep him on so you dont know what your talking about regarding him

Um, seeing as I speak Italian and follow Italian football by reading La Gazzetta dello Sport every day, watching Il Sabato della Domenica Sportiva, 90° Minuto and La Domenica Sportiva weekly, numerous live matches a week and listen to various football programmes on Italian radio daily and am aware that Umberto Cairo spoke of Hart's poor performances as late on as April as well as various papere he committed during the season, I suggest I probably know more than your arrogant comment would like to suggest but I'll let you continue your dribbling and drooling over Hart.

pjohnson

FCIM wrote: »

Um, seeing as I speak Italian and follow Italian football by reading La Gazzetta dello Sport, watching Il Sabato della Domenica Sportiva, La Domenica Sportiva weekly, numerous live matches a week and listen to various football programmes on Italian radio daily and am aware that Umberto Cairo spoke of Hart's poor performances as late on as April, I suggest I probably know more than your arrogant comment would like to suggest but I'll let you continue your dribbling and drooling over Hart.

TBF given that Hart is currently behind Adrian at West Ham this Torino spell is all that can be used to show Harts "magnificence:

Rekop dog

FCIM wrote: »

The dimensions don't, no, but the style of play does. How teams attack does. Joe Hart is an example of a goalkeeper who has had a decent career in one country and was useless in another; he kept goal for City and England for years before looking very weak at Torino. I never once said he wasn't a great prospect, I think he's in danger of throwing that away though. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the risk element though.

The very fact he resorted to going to Torino in the first place tells a big story about his ability. He was punching above his weight for a good while and continued mistakes and poor performances deservedly forced him out of the City team. He's been dropped by West Ham now so argument doesn't really carry that Serie A style didn't suit him, he's just a bit crap in general.

Like had you said challenge of settling into a new culture/learn new language at a young age might be a risk I'd someway accept that but a footballing style issue for a goalkeeper is a seriously tenuous argument.

FCIM

Rekop dog wrote: »

The very fact he resorted to going to Torino in the first place tells a big story about his ability. He was punching above his weight for a good while and continued mistakes and poor performances deservedly forced him out of the City team. He's been dropped by West Ham now so argument doesn't really carry that Serie A style didn't suit him, he's just a bit crap in general.

Like had you said challenge of settling into a new culture/learn new language at a young age might be a risk I'd someway accept that but a footballing style issue for a goalkeeper is a seriously tenuous argument.

I seriously don't think it is. A better example might be Julio Cesar. A legend in Italy, poor in England and improved again when he went to Portugal. Yes, QPR were bad and Inter were good with Julione but he was an integral part of that goodness and poorness.

FCIM

ERG89 wrote: »

He's been made a real fool of by his agent but has been actively contributing to his own mistakes. He has a handy gig at Milan as he was not under as much pressure as signings made & when he made mistakes fans never got on his back which helped his development early on. Ultra harsh to say but since he came into the side he hasnt improved as much in the last year or so. Still poor with his feet for example. I don't have much sympathy for him & Bonucci with their sappy photo midweek. Pair of them are on a lot of money especially for a side not delivering results or performances in Serie A. The reaction is entirely his own fault as he choses to represent himself. 200k & the club employ your brother who is worthless.
Regarding Hart:
I'm amazed him being weak diving to his left was figured out in Italy so quick. Think he's better than the last 2 seasons tho.

I think you have to look at the focus on football in Italy. Three sports dailies which make up more than half their content with football, more television coverage than you could dream up and football constantly on radio too. It would surprise me if they didn't work stuff like that out quickly.

Rekop dog

FCIM wrote: »

I seriously don't think it is. A better example might be Julio Cesar. A legend in Italy, poor in England and improved again when he went to Portugal. Yes, QPR were bad and Inter were good with Julione but he was an integral part of that goodness and poorness.

That whole Inter old guard turned crap after Jose left, not just Cesar. Not a style issues, more so attitude I'd argue. Brazilians love a career fade too after success except for the very rare Cafu type.

I could give you lots of examples of goalkeepers that came into a new leagues and clicked straight away. Far more than you could give previously good goalkeepers that failed in a new league due to not adapting the countries style.

dor83

Half time in Inter v Udinese, Inter are dominating but it's 1-1, Lasagna scored first and Icardi equalised a minute later.

FCIM

Rekop dog wrote: »

That whole Inter old guard turned crap after Jose left, not just Cesar. Not a style issues, more so attitude I'd argue. Brazilians love a career fade too after success except for the very rare Cafu type.

I could give you lots of examples of goalkeepers that came into a new leagues and clicked straight away. Far more than you could give previously good goalkeepers that failed in a new league due to not adapting the countries style.

I'd agree on Inter. I think it was a mix of them being genuinely tired after Mou squeezed everything out of them as well as a feeling they had done it and that was enough. With Julio I was talking about his time at QPR though.

I think we do just have to agree we have different opinions, and whilst I absolutely respect yours we aren't going to convince each other .

FCIM

dor83 wrote: »

Half time in Inter v Udinese, Inter are dominating but it's 1-1, Lasagna scored first and Icardi equalised a minute later.

Due to a lapse in concentration we let Udinese score with poor defending but we've dominated. I'd like to think we'll get the so far elusive goal but we've been here before. Dai!!!!!!!!!

dor83

FCIM wrote: »

Due to a lapse in concentration we let Udinese score with poor defending but we've dominated. I'd like to think we'll get the so far elusive goal but we've been here before. Dai!!!!!!!!!

Yeah we've seen plenty of those games before but this season I'm a lot more confident that we'll get another than I would have been for the last few anyway.

EDIT: Should have been 2-1 to Udinese there, poor defending again.

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Santon has always been a liability I think

Mr.Nice Guy

3-1 Udinese now. Jankto has been in great form the last few games. Nice assist from him for Barak's goal.

Update: All over now. Udinese with a great second half display. De Paul was very good and the two young Czech lads Jankto and Barak caused problems. There was a ten minute spell near the end of the first half that Inter were all over them and it looked only a matter of time before they would get a second. Credit to Udinese for turning things around in the second 45.

dor83

It will be interesting to see the reaction next week against Sassuolo, will the players lose confidence because of this and the 0-0 against Pordenone. Napoli will beat Torino later to go top too.

Rekop dog

Udinese have been the same for 20 years. Sign lots of players on cheap, start season terribly, gradually grow into season and rise up the table and then sell on successful players and rinse repeat next season.

FCIM

dor83 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see the reaction next week against Sassuolo, will the players lose confidence because of this and the 0-0 against Pordenone. Napoli will beat Torino later to go top too.

Juventus will win tomorrow and go top and Serie A will be over in December as usual in the last few years. We'll go to 5hite now, same as when we started well under Mancini and a £uck up against Lazio sent our season spiralling downwards. Spalletti should paint the dressing room with Santon's guts after he threw away the whole match. Lazio finished our season two years ago, Pordenone did it this year. PORCA TROIA!!!

dor83

FCIM wrote: »

Juventus will win tomorrow and go top and Serie A will be over in December as usual in the last few years. We'll go to 5hite now, same as when we started well under Mancini and a £uck up against Lazio sent our season spiralling downwards. Spalletti should paint the dressing room with Santon's guts after he threw away the whole match. Lazio finished our season two years ago, Pordenone did it this year. PORCA TROIA!!!

I'm not so sure about Juve tomorrow, they're missing quite a few players and just think they might drop points there. Napoli will win tonight though.

I think the team at the moment is better than it was back then and I expect Spalletti to make some changes next week too, Naga will be in for Santon anyway and I'd have Vecino and Brozo out for Gagliardini and Joao Mario too.

FCIM

dor83 wrote: »

I'm not so sure about Juve tomorrow, they're missing quite a few players and just think they might drop points there. Napoli will win tonight though.

I think the team at the moment is better than it was back then and I expect Spalletti to make some changes next week too, Naga will be in for Santon anyway and I'd have Vecino and Brozo out for Gagliardini and Joao Mario too.

To be honest, I thought Brozovic was decent and it all went to 5hit when he went off.

dor83

FCIM wrote: »

To be honest, I thought Brozovic was decent and it all went to 5hit when he went off.

I like Brozo but there needs to be a change in that area and I'd like Joao Mario start so he would have to be out, Perisic and Candreva are not going to be dropped imo so that's the only position that is likely to change. I always have one Inter player who I have an unfair bias against and this season it has been Vecino, maybe because I like Gagliardini and he's being left out for Vecino, so he'd be the first I'd drop anyway.

ERG89

https://twitter.com/OptaPaolo/status/942086563013496832

FCIM

ERG89 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/OptaPaolo/status/942086563013496832

Hamsik is a great player and has been for years but Maradona scored those goals in a fraction of the time he has.

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A bit of justice done there

One of the worse peno's i've ever seen