Disney cutting ties with netflix in 2019

peteeeed

and starting their own streaming service , will probably mean they will cut ties with sky too over here
Disney, Marvel, Lucasfilm, and Pixar movies will move to the new streaming service in 2019
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/08/media/disney-netflix/index.html

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Can see why this is worrying people, but personally I haven't watched anything Disney on Netflix. If there's a Marvel or Star Wars film I want to see then I'll go to the cinema, if not, I'm rarely bothered watching at all. I pretty much only watch Netflix produced shows/films on there now so unless Disney bypass the cinema with their movies (they won't) or have interesting original content exclusive to the streaming service I can't see myself subscribing.

brevity

I wonder will this affect their contract with Sky? A lot of Disney stuff on Sky's on demand service.

It's a bit of a pain I suppose, it's another subscription service at the end of the day and there is a substantial library of movies and TVs shows there.

Mickeroo

correction wrote: »

Can see why this is worrying people, but personally I haven't watched anything Disney on Netflix. If there's a Marvel or Star Wars film I want to see then I'll go to the cinema, if not, I'm rarely bothered watching at all. I pretty much only watch Netflix produced shows/films on there now so unless Disney bypass the cinema with their movies (they won't) or have interesting original content exclusive to the streaming service I can't see myself subscribing.

Probably mean the end for the Netflix produced Marvel shows though.

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Mickeroo wrote: »

Probably mean the end for the Netflix produced Marvel shows though.

Ah. Hadn't thought of that. That'll be interesting alright, surely the produced shows are part of a separate deal than simply housing Disney films?

Mickeroo

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Ah. Hadn't thought of that. That'll be interesting alright, surely the produced shows are part of a separate deal than simply housing Disney films?

Yeah that's true, it could be a just a distribution deal though I was under the impression Netflix were involved in production too.

peteeeed

ive read the marvel tv shows will continue to run on netflix

Sad Professor

I assume future Marvel shows will be Disney only, though.

This is a long time coming. The other studios are almost certainly working on their own streaming services. Netflix has been re-positioning itself in readiness for this for quite a while, so they'll be fine. But they want to be HBO-lite, which isn't what many of its customers signed up for, so they are bound to lose subscribers as other streaming services enter the market.

Mostly this shatters the illusion that Netflix is Spotify for movies and tv, which certainly isn't and never had any hope of being.

pixelburp

I guess the devil will be in the details; Marvel IP rights are famously all over the place, it might simply be a case of the films disappearing from the service but the TV shows remaining as-is. Even if Netflix are losing rights to Disney products, you'd wonder if their various own Marvel shows will remain as-is. You'd certainly hope so.

As for the general news, I dunno, honestly my first reaction is eye-rolling annoyance. The market is becoming saturated and financially the biggest loser feels like it's the customer. Of COURSE all these things are opt-in, and nobody's forcing us to buy subscriptions, but the Streaming Service market is becoming fragmented and diluted: you could end up paying an absolute fortune just to keep a vaguely contemporary selection of TV & film choices.

Monopolies aren't fun, but the exact opposite is equally consumer unfriendly too IMO. It's a big swamp of competing studios and their own streaming services, coupled with the even larger swamp of licence rights & territorial differences (Netflix & Amazon UK v. IE being an immediate example). It's a total mess.

Stone Deaf 4evr

pixelburp wrote: »

I guess the devil will be in the details; Marvel IP rights are famously all over the place, it might simply be a case of the films disappearing from the service but the TV shows remaining as-is. Even if Netflix are losing rights to Disney products, you'd wonder if their various own Marvel shows will remain as-is. You'd certainly hope so.

As for the general news, I dunno, honestly my first reaction is eye-rolling annoyance. The market is becoming saturated and financially the biggest loser feels like it's the customer. Of COURSE all these things are opt-in, and nobody's forcing us to buy subscriptions, but the Streaming Service market is becoming fragmented and diluted: you could end up paying an absolute fortune just to keep a vaguely contemporary selection of TV & film choices.

Monopolies aren't fun, but the exact opposite is equally consumer unfriendly too IMO. It's a big swamp of competing studios and their own streaming services, coupled with the even larger swamp of licence rights & territorial differences (Netflix & Amazon UK v. IE being an immediate example). It's a total mess.

Its a pain in the hoop. While in principle, I dont mind having to choose from a selection of on demand providers at a tenner a month each (say for netflix, amazon, hulu and hbo on demand), as long as you get access to the whole library. Netflix having different content locked for different geographical regions is very frustrating, and I'm inclined to think it only drives piracy if anything.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I can see Disney's streaming service failing within a year and they'll end up back on Netflix.

Who is going to pay a separate subscription to a Disney streaming service? Very few I would imagine.

peteeeed

although it might see them releasing films much earlier to their own service than they would netflix or sky

TallGlass

This is going to put piracy back on the rise again with so many different operators. Personally, I will just stick with Netflix, anything else worth watching I will just try get on DVD, failing that I just won't watch it. I could turn to piracy, but phek em. Vast array of programs on Netflix that's decent, I get Amazon the odd time with Prime Membership when I order and want it the next day.

Sad Professor

Anson Miniature Shoemaker wrote: »

I can see Disney's streaming service failing within a year and they'll end up back on Netflix.

Who is going to pay a separate subscription to a Disney streaming service? Very few I would imagine.

Nothing stopping Disney from licensing content from other studios like Netflix and Amazon do.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Licence it perhaps but Disney will most likely delay any release to other services like Netflix. Why else you bother with Disney's streaming service if you can get similar content on other services.

Sad Professor wrote: »

Nothing stopping Disney from licensing content from other studios like Netflix and Amazon do.

Sad Professor

Anson Miniature Shoemaker wrote: »

Licence it perhaps but Disney will most likely delay any release to other services like Netflix. Why else you bother with Disney's streaming service if you can get similar content on other services.

Yeah but this is already the case, if only because newer stuff is more expensive to license. Netflix has never been good for new films or shows except its own or the dregs of the other studios, hence "straight to Netflix" as a derogatory term. I remember when Netflix launched in Ireland its CEO was on the radio telling anyone looking for new releases to use iTunes. They license the odd big new film but for the most part that remains true.

gizmo81

It's Ridiculous at this point and they will only have themselves to blame for an increase in piracy.

Who can afford to have Netflix, Prime, Disney, Now TV etc etc I'm sure there are others

I'm pretty loyal to Netflix, since the beginning, but the last increase was a pain in the hoop.

I don't want anything for free but these restrictions don't foster good will with brands.

Would there ever be a Market for something like Apple Music for TV streaming €25 approx a month to access content from all subscribers?

Sad Professor

gizmo81 wrote: »

It's Ridiculous at this point and they will only have themselves to blame for an increase in piracy.

Who can afford to have Netflix, Prime, Disney, Now TV etc etc I'm sure there are others

I'm pretty loyal to Netflix, since the beginning, but the last increase was a pain in the hoop.

I don't want anything for free but these restrictions don't foster good will with brands.

Would there ever be a Market for something like Apple Music for TV streaming €25 approx a month to access content from all subscribers?

Well, you are already getting this from Netflix and Amazon for less than 25. If you mean access to almost everything out there a la Spotify etc, there's no way such a service could be offered for so cheap. Movies especially are ridiculously expensive to make.

Streaming services are basically like premium tv channels. They specialise in particular kind of programming and you pay for what you want. Most people just want something to watch and won't care that everything isn't available – look at all the people already making do with Netflix – so I don't see this encouraging piracy.

This Disney announcement doesn't change anything except bring a bit of competition to the existing streaming market. All streaming services already have exclusives that they don't share with other services. Netflix won't even release its exclusives in the cinema.

pixelburp

Sad Professor wrote: »

Well, you are already getting this from Netflix and Amazon for less than 25. If you mean access to almost everything out there a la Spotify etc, there's no way such a service could be offered for so cheap. Movies especially are ridiculously expensive to make.

Streaming services are basically like premium tv channels. They specialise in particular kind of programming and you pay for what you want. Most people just want something to watch and won't care that everything isn't available – look at all the people already making do with Netflix – so I don't see this encouraging piracy.

This Disney announcement doesn't change anything except bring a bit of competition to the existing streaming market. All streaming services already have exclusives that they don't share with other services. Netflix won't even release its exclusives in the cinema.

Piracy is a high technical watermark in of itself, so I don't think an imbalance in the market will naturally drive people en masse to piracy - most 'casual' TV watchers wouldn't know how to in the first place, or would be discouraged by legal implications or the inherent ... seediness in the piracy world.

I don't see it as a 'premium' situation either, because the products we're discussing are demonstrably not premium; that's not meant as a criticism on their quality or enjoyability mind you, more the approach of moving all content, lock stock behind another paywall. It's simply a case of greed on the part of studios or channels who want their own walled garden and some of that sweet streaming green. How much competition is too much competition: in the US alone you've got: Netflix (with its larger catalogue), Hulu, Amazon, HBO, CBS, now Disney - there are probably others I'm forgetting, but that's off the top of my head. I'm sure there's another Yahoo Screen around the corner, I'm putting my money on CBS...

TallGlass

gizmo81 wrote: »

I'm pretty loyal to Netflix, since the beginning, but the last increase was a pain in the hoop.

What pissed me off the most about that increase was the insulting business jargon they used to describe loyal customers, calling a price increase for us as 'ungrandfathering' fúúck right off. I actually cancelled my sub for a good 3 months over that one.

CeilingFly

This is USA only, does not affect international rights, so no change to netflix here.

When I heard this, I first thought it only applied to Disney's own products. Totally forgot about their now owning a tonne of other properties like Marvel and Star Wars.

Kunkka

Disney has its finger in ALOT of pies. Miramax, ABC, EPSN, Marvel, Star Wars to name but a few. I'd imagine anything they have some sort of a affiliation with will end up on their platform. Their turnover as a company is nearly €40bn with assets of over €60bn. They have the capital if they want to venture out and do deals with people who have had prior agreements with Netflix. My first impression here is Disney probably wanted to buy Netflix but their bid wasn't enough so they're either genuinely trying to make their own service or scaring Netflix into selling.

Agent Coulson

The games begin for streaming dominance Netflix have taken Shonda Rhimes and her production company from Disney.

Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix topples in the next 5 - 10 years. They're supposedly millions (or billions?) of dollars in debt, with some of their most recent shows sinking.

jodome

The number of services is getting a tad annoying. Netflix is my preferred option still, ungrandfathering notwithstanding. But I also have NowTV (mainly for Game of Thrones since I don't have Sky) and Prime Video (though that one is annoying because I can't watch anything Prime on the FireTV stick - should have read up more on that - but via www.primevideo.com is fine). I can't see myself subscribing to a new Disney offering unless they come up with the new Game of Thrones. Even then I'll only be subscribed for the duration of the show at most.

How would it affect the Netflix-produced Marvel TV series?

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix topples in the next 5 - 10 years. They're supposedly millions (or billions?) of dollars in debt, with some of their most recent shows sinking.

Anything's possible when it comes to the company's longevity, but at the same time Netflix are probably subject to a lot more scrutiny and discussion than other channels, given their stature as the preeminent streaming service; sure they've have had some notable duds in the last few months, but no more so than most studios & their own spate of habitual culls.

peteeeed

Deleted User wrote: »

How would it affect the Netflix-produced Marvel TV series?

it won't apparently

Occono

They have said the deal has nothing to do with the Marvel shows.

The news only means that a US-only deal to put Disney movies on Netflix 6-8 months after cinema release will end at the end of 2019. That's it, it's been exaggerated by a lot of reports. Said deal was signed in 2012, which shows how long it takes before any news of deals like this actually take effect.

peteeeed

some more detail here
Disney CEO Bob Iger.
“We’ve now decided we will put the Marvel and ‘Star Wars’ movies on this app as well." This new service, which might launch internationally before it goes live in the US due to streaming rights clearances, will also have four or five original Disney series, three or four exclusive Disney movies, and Disney's entire TV catalogue.

Marvel and Star Wars titles will be streamed exclusively
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/07/disney-ceo-iger-marvel-star-wars-to-go-to-disneys-streaming-service.html

dreamers75

People wont stand for 15 apps or streaming services, this is napster all over again. Companies with CEO's on millions a year and tonnes of intelligent workers simple not realizing what people will pay for and what people will download or stream for free.

Netflix and to a point Apple music got it but the makers of the content seem to exist in some sort of prehistoric world that makes them think the majority of people will pay for 15 services. If Netflix has 500m users I am sure a portion of those will buy the Disney thing but HBO has 15m users and 100m watched GOT finale.....

ThisRegard

They'll soon find an increase in their product being illegally streamed and copied as a result.

Sky have the rights for a lot of their stuff such as the Star Wars movies, I wonder how that will go for them. I would think that they'd make more from that deal than the number of people jumping to their service.

Agent Coulson

ThisRegard wrote: »

They'll soon find an increase in their product being illegally streamed and copied as a result.

Sky have the rights for a lot of their stuff such as the Star Wars movies, I wonder how that will go for them. I would think that they'd make more from that deal than the number of people jumping to their service.

This Disney streaming site is only in the States not the rest of the world.

cena

do we have Disney movies on Netflix here?

ThisRegard

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This Disney streaming site is only in the States not the rest of the world.

I thought the quote above said they may trial it in the rest of the world first.

In addition to Disney, Marvel and Star Wars movies, the upcoming branded service will also have four to five original Disney series, as well as three to four exclusive Disney movies, Iger said. It will also have its existing television library. There is also a chance that international versions of the service will launch before the U.S. launch due to streaming rights clearances. Iger did not announce how much the service will cost.

Necronomicon

This is a big reason why I still buy my favourite films on blu ray. I like knowing a given film will always be on the shelf if I want to watch it, and its availability is not dependent rights agreements among studios and streaming services. For me, streaming services are a replacement for renting but not owning physical media.

It's sad but in retrospect I guess kind of predictable that content owners would have wanted their own piece of the pie when Netflix became a phenomenon. It'd be amusing if it wasn't so frustrating: a concept that reduced consumers' dependence on expensive TV package subscriptions, now coming full circle and starting to become as expensive as what it replaced.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This Disney streaming site is only in the States not the rest of the world.

There seems to be so much confusion surrounding it at the moment. If they're only doing it for the US, then does that mean the rest of the world will still be able to access Disney products on Netflix or does it mean we'll simply just not be able to?

Agent Coulson

Deleted User wrote: »

There seems to be so much confusion surrounding it at the moment. If they're only doing it for the US, then does that mean the rest of the world will still be able to access Disney products on Netflix or does it mean we'll simply just not be able to?

Well if you take the UK & Ireland as an example Disney have a long term first run deal with Sky which was only signed in 2016 I think.

So Disney can't do anything here until that deal ends at the very least and I would imagine deals like this are in different regions all over the world with different providers be that Netflix Sky or A another for that region.


Right now the only region that we do know where they are going to start is in the US when the Netflix deal ends.


I don't think Disney would take the risk of open worldwide a worldwide streaming app on the same day and take the risk that it doesn't get a huge instant take up and lose out on the income those contract around the world bring in.


They will start with the States and gradually start working around the world when contracts are up if and only if the uptake of customers in the US is seen to grow at the right rate.

Occono

cena wrote: »

do we have Disney movies on Netflix here?

Various Disney kids movies were pulled from Irish Netflix when Disneylife launched in the UK.

TheIrishGrover

Yeah, fracturing like this very rarely works. Disney have a HUGE range of movies though, from Starwars and Marvel, to Pixar, touchstone (remember them?) and of course Disney. They also own ABC A&E and other TC stations so they could start pulling them too (If they are on Netflix).

I believe it's a mistake and one that will prove costly. HBO is suffering big time with pirating because they are not on Netflix and HBO online isn't available online. That leaves only Sky in UK/Ireland to view the majority of their shows. And even then with the higher priced packages and with advertising

I mean hands up who would pay for both Netflix AND Disney streaming?

peteeeed

Disney ramping it up , trying to buy parts of fox

http://deadline.com/2017/11/fox-disney-merger-content-is-weapon-of-choice-1202203208/

peteeeed

Live action star wars tv show has been announced for the Disney streaming platform

brevity

Begun, the streaming wars have.

Bunny Colvin

The allure of Netflix is the fact that you've got a lot of stuff on one platform. There's no chance I'm subscribing to more services.

Sleepy

Urgh, can we fast-forward to the end of the streaming wars to the point where we have one Netflix-like provider that has all content?

I'll happily pay for that. In the meantime, I'll simply pirate anything not on Netflix.

dublinman1990

RTÉ have just confirmed that new Marvel shows are now going off Netflix for good by sticking with Disney.

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1110/919022-netflix-to/

pixelburp

dublinman1990 wrote: »

RTÉ have just confirmed that the Marvel shows are now going off Netflix for good by sticking with Disney.

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1110/919022-netflix-to/

That doesn't really answer the question as to what happens Daredevil, Luke Cage et al; all the main shows are busy filming their respective latest seasons, The Punisher is also on the way - do we know if these shows will disappear from Netflix? They seem ill-fitted for Disney's new fluffy service.

Kiith

It's only a matter of time before channels get replaced with streaming services. Bundles will be the next thing, with a comcast type company owning multiple streaming 'channels'.

Agent Coulson

Disney for at least the last few years have been trying to buy Netflix I still wouldn't be surprised if they try again.

Sad Professor

I can't understand why anyone would want to buy Netflix. Seems like an awful waste of money that could be better spent bidding on new films and shows. Surely Disney has joint streaming rights to the co-produced Marvel shows or if it hasn't it can negotiate them? But I guess the fear would be of someone else buying Netflix.