Zero respect for our environment?

josey_whale

Dear all,

Why is it that a certain percentage of our population have zero respect for our environment?

I am aware that this is a global problem. However, I'd like to address this on a local level. Today (in the the Irish Times), it was reported that there has been a development in the case of Jim Ferry - who is involved with refuse collection/disposal in Donegal.

As a native of Donegal, I am outraged by Jim Ferry's behavior. He and many like him have ZERO RESPECT for our environment. Unfortunately, I have to share our environment with people like this. WTF is wrong with people like this?

Why do we tolerate people who disrespect our environment?

odyssey06

You're over thinking it... they have zero respect full stop. For everything, human and natural.

They might be members of the species homo sapiens, but they are not worthy of the title 'human beings'.

Ninthlife

Its not just zero respect for the environment its also just not giving a f*ck about anything or anyone

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

This country is awash with people who really could not give a toss about the environment. It's at all levels and all scales. From the idiot who chucks his takeaway packaging out of the car on to the verge, to the dumping of bags of waste along the road, to fridges, mattresses and cookers left in a laneway, to containers of toxic waste from diesel laundering left outside schools, to large scale fly tipping. People just couldn't care less.

BillyBobBS

If you drive you have no respect for the environment, if you travel by airplane you have no respect for the environment, if you shop in a supermarket you have no respect for the environment. We are all at fault OP.

Donal55

The problem with this case is a failure by the judge to jail Ferry for contempt.

Ninthlife

The biggest polluter in the world are cattle etc as they pass more methane gas which is harmful to the environment but thats natural..

The guy in Donegal is just doing it cause he wants to earn a few more euro and sure if he has ti cut corners so be it

RayM

"The Irish countryside: The bin that never gets full"

Agricola

Teresa Lemon Aardvark wrote: »

This country is awash with people who really cold not give a toss about the environment. It's at all levels and all scales. From the idiot who chucks his takeaway packaging put of the car on to the verge, to the dumping of bags of waste along the road, to fridges, mattresses and cookers left in a laneway, to containers of toxic waste from diesel laundering left outside schools, to large scale fly tipping. People just couldn't care less.

Very true. I sometimes think civic pride is an unknown concept in Ireland. There are some cities/town/villages where there is a very definite pride in keeping the place tidy but in general I think Irish people are very slapdash and couldn't give a shít.

The only reason we have this beautiful, largely unspoiled green idyll which people all over the world swoon about, isn't down to our own initiative. It's mainly down to the fact we have a tiny population and were largely agrarian up until recently.

OldMrBrennan83

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josey_whale wrote: »

Dear all,

Why is it that a certain percentage of our population have zero respect for our environment?

I am aware that this is a global problem. However, I'd like to address this on a local level. Today (in the the Irish Times), it was reported that there has been a development in the case of Jim Ferry - who is involved with refuse collection/disposal in Donegal.

As a native of Donegal, I am outraged by Jim Ferry's behavior. He and many like him have ZERO RESPECT for our environment. Unfortunately, I have to share our environment with people like this. WTF is wrong with people like this?

Why do we tolerate people who disrespect our environment?

I think everyone in Donegal has known he was up to no good for quite a while and he has certainly proved himself to be a cnut this past week

Akrasia

Patww79 wrote: »

I've no kids, I don't give a **** about other people's kids, and I'll be dead long before the planet. So happy days.

Plus, bin companies robbery make fly tipping a necessity these days.

You're a sociopath

Roger Hassenforder

Patww79 wrote: »

I've no kids, I don't give a **** about other people's kids, and I'll be dead long before the planet. So happy days.

Plus, bin companies robbery make fly tipping a necessity these days.

Thank god

ednwireland

Ferrys are the only company that have come past my house to collect rubbish for years , so no choice.

And for most of that time they have been licensed by the state

Roger Hassenforder

ednwireland wrote: »

Ferrys are the only company that have come past my house to collect rubbish for years , so no choice.

And for most of that time they have been licensed by the state

No wonder, it's probably not economically viable to provide a waste service unless you're taking certain "shortcuts".

When you see fcukers like this operating with such impunity , the case for deprivitization of the waste sector grows.
The state seems unable to regulate them.CAB should be brought in, take everything he has.

blueser

Patww79 wrote: »

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Going by your attitude, that's hardly a big surprise.

OldMrBrennan83

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Akrasia

Patww79 wrote: »

I'm just not made of snowflakes.

Fly tipping is no better than walking into someones kitchen and taking a sh1t on the floor. Actually, it's easier to clean that up than mess left by the selfish ignorant arseholes who think they have a right to dump their rubbish along the side of a road or in a secluded area. Cowardly selfish and pathetic.

Hector Bellend

Just back from the pub.

I've just disrespected the environment with a thick black Guinness shyte.

Don't worry its biodegradable

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

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Who is this we?

I don't know anyone who fly tips. Sure, plenty who complain about the cost of waste disposal, the amount of packaging used on goods etc...even a couple who sneak their waste into local authority bins. But no one who fly tips. I don't see it as some social necessity at all.

Del2005

Patww79 wrote: »

I don't like it either but we've been left with no choice.

I bought a sofa the cost of getting it disposed by the company was less than 2 percent. Electrical items are free to dispose of, it'll cost more to drive to the secluded area than the local tip.

I wonder what percentage of people who fly tip smoke and spend several nights in the pub, before buying a takeaway on the way home? Rather than buying tins in the supermarket and a relatively healthy cheap meal.

Wheeliebin30

http://www.thejournal.ie/illegal-dumping-dublin-park-3523466-Aug2017/


'There's a lack of civic respect' - Call for an end to illegal dumping"

namloc1980

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Disgusting attitude. I'm alright Jack so screw everyone else.

Teyla Emmagan

I'm involved in my local Tidy Towns (if that doesn't improve my cachet on Boards nothing will) and this just breaks my heart. In the local car park people reverse up to the ditch and empty their entire boot into it. They leave sacks of rubbish beside the recycling bins and all the containers they use for their recycling beside it. The village bins are overflowing with household waste from people who won't pay for a refuse collection. The charity shop has broken chairs and headless dolls and wheelless prams left outside it every morning - utter junk that they then have to pay to get rid of. There are five black sacks a week dumped outside the old people's centre.

None of that is long term environmental damage, but it's slow, insidious day to day damage for everyone who has to out up with it. And don't even start me on the graffiti. There is a certain section of Irish society that have a complete lack of respect for other people and their surroundings. It's beyond me. Other countries are not like this, kids are raised to have pride in their local area. Here they expect everyone else to pick up after them. I just don't know WTF is wrong with these people.

Pure tashte

Patww79 wrote: »

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Surely it's not that expensive or inconvenient is it?! I would have thought at this stage that refuse collections companies serve pretty much everywhere in Ireland and it doesn't exactly cost an arm and a leg.

Widdershins

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Do you not like the planet though?

I actually agree in a way. I doubt people would be risking huge fines if they could afford bin charges. I think people stop caring when they can't afford the bin charges. You can recycle almost everything now and there shouldn't be a lot of actual rubbish left after that. Recycling centres will take your household recyclable waste for free or for a minimum charge like a fiver for a car load, and you can take on a pay by use bin service for what's left.

Maybe there is a lack of pride in the country.

Avatar MIA

Widdershins wrote: »

Maybe there is a lack of pride in the country.

Some people just don't give shít. And were brought up by people who didn't care... this is largely a learned disregard. Add in a bit of, 'shur the state isn't looking after me well enough and I can't afford to pay bin charges'.

Widdershins

Deleted User wrote: »

Who is this we?

I don't know anyone who fly tips. Sure, plenty who complain about the cost of waste disposal, the amount of packaging used on goods etc...even a couple who sneak their waste into local authority bins. But no one who fly tips. I don't see it as some social necessity at all.

Maybe you do. They wouldn't admit it, would they?

Widdershins

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Some people just don't give sh And were brought up by people who didn't care... this is largely a learned disregard. Add in a bit of, 'shur the state isn't looking after me well enough and I can't afford to pay bin charges'.

I do believe some of it if not all of it is being done by people in dire straits and whether they blame the state for not helping them is neither here nor there really. The disregard for the environment, or the disinterest, is the worrying thing.

Alun

A lot of stuff that's fly tipped is electrical, which can be recycled for free. Why bother driving out into the countryside to dump it when you can just as easily drive to the local recycling centre or electrical retailer?

Another source is building waste, from renovations for example. So you can afford several thousand for a new kitchen or bathroom, but can't afford to pay a few hundred to get rid of the waste legally?

wakka12

People will never care about something like the environment until it negatively affects them personally, the environment and the future implications of our present actions are just too far removed from our lives for most people to care..unfortunately

Widdershins

Proveithull wrote: »

Tree hugging bastards.

Go fking join Greenpeace or something FFS

I wanted to run away with the Greenpeace ship as a child. Proud treehugger here.

kylith

Track down who's fly tipping and pump waste through their letterbox, I say. That'll learn 'em.

Owryan

Why pay for bins when the ditches and streams are free?

Widdershins

Alun wrote: »

A lot of stuff that's fly tipped is electrical, which can be recycled for free. Why bother driving out into the countryside to dump it when you can just as easily drive to the local recycling centre or electrical retailer?

Another source is building waste, from renovations for example. So you can afford several thousand for a new kitchen or bathroom, but can't afford to pay a few hundred to get rid of the waste legally?

They must not realise you can recycle the electrical stuff for free or don't have the wherewithall to find out how and where to do it. Maybe psychological issues? If someone's depressed, financially in trouble etc maybe they don't think sensibly like that. They probably do not care, granted!

wakka12 wrote: »

People will never care about something like the environment until it negatively affects them personally, the environment and the future implications of our present actions are just too far removed from our lives for most people to care..unfortunately

True for some but if it was true for all why do the people on this thread care? We could all be tipping bags of used nappies and takeaway boxes out the car windows in that case. The nappies are the worst by the way..I used to see them thrown on the ground in a car park sometimes.

Owryan

wakka12 wrote: »

People will never care about something like the environment until it negatively affects them personally, the environment and the future implications of our present actions are just too far removed from our lives for most people to care..unfortunately

Someone was dumping oil into a river here in Carlow which lead to issues with water supply/quality. Who was blamed? The dumper? No, Irish water, it was all their fault. All that money and they couldn't supply clean water.

Some people seem to think environmental protection is a job for government and not for them .

Widdershins

Downupdown wrote: »

Greenpeace is calling you!

No, pack of smelly barstewards. They're quite controversial now.

What about farm fertilisers going into the rivers. And milk. Not so obvious as a bag of rubbish but just as destructive.

In case people don't know, they do enforce the fine system for illegal dumping. I know someone who did it and they went through the rubbish with a fine-toothed comb and found a prescription bottle or container with her name on it. (I knew her through work years ago, and no it wasn't me!)

Wanderer78

'The polluter pays' principle is flawed I'm afraid, I suspect the more this is pushed onto us, the less buy in from all will occur, increasing illegal dumping and burning.

Sam Kade

Deleted User wrote: »

Who is this we?

I don't know anyone who fly tips. Sure, plenty who complain about the cost of waste disposal, the amount of packaging used on goods etc...even a couple who sneak their waste into local authority bins. But no one who fly tips. I don't see it as some social necessity at all.

They don't normally go around broadcasting it

IvyTheTerrible

Sam Kade wrote: »

They don't normally go around broadcasting it

I worked with someone briefly who proudly told his colleagues about his spins into the city centre to dump his rubbish with McDonalds rubbish.

Samaris

Patww79 wrote: »

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Why do you have no choice? I live somewhere where we don't have rubbish collected (and actually cannot get it collected). We burn what we can, compost what we can and everything else goes to the landfill about once every two months. Sure, there's issues with burning it and there's issues with having to take a sixty kilometer trip to dispose of the rubbish, but to say there's no alternative to fly-tipping is daft and, thus far, appears lazy.

Del2005

Widdershins wrote: »

I do believe some of it if not all of it is being done by people in dire straits and whether they blame the state for not helping them is neither here nor there really. The disregard for the environment, or the disinterest, is the worrying thing.

If people are in dire straits then how can they afford a new sofa or fridge? The sofas I've seen all look fairly good and if you can get a fridge to the middle of a mountain you have enough money to get it to the local WEEE centre.

The issue is that people always blame the government or someone else for the problem. In the Grenfell Tower the residents were blaming the council for not removing rubbish from the fire escapes, why weren't they blaming the residents for dumping the rubbish in the fire escapes? Or our own ethnic minority are saying that their sites are a fire hazard because of all the rubbish they are collecting (but blame on others dumping! ) Because it's easier to blame outsiders than face up to the fact that you are living with people who don't give a toss.

Only last week I was driving beside an ethnic minority multi unit residence and there was a lovely tyre fire burning. There's not even any money in metal anymore but they are still burning them for a few cent of metal.

Wheeliebin30

Just have to accept there is a section of society who don't want to pay for anything and have no respect or regard for anyone else.

Once they have enough money for smokes, drink and gambling then screw everyone else.

We're really not a nice country.

Wanderer78

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Just have to accept there is a section of society who don't want to pay for anything and have no respect or regard for anyone else.

Once they have enough money for smokes, drink and gambling then screw everyone else.

We're really not a nice country.

we have flawed thinking regarding our environmental issues, creating flawed policies in trying to deal with them. we have created complex economic and financial systems based on flawed theories and ideologies, exacerbating our environmental issues. strangely, some of those that 'dont want to pay' are not who d you d expect. we have created a construct called 'the market' that has a lot to answer for regarding our environmental issues.

those that whom you refer to may actually be struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues etc!

our country isnt that bad, theres far worse out there

odyssey06

Wanderer78 wrote: »

those that whom you refer to may actually be struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues etc!

If they're struggling that badly, and having such an impact on the rest of society, for their own well-being and that of others, they should be taken into protective care where they can be treated.

Wanderer78

odyssey06 wrote:

If they're struggling that badly, and having such an impact on the rest of society, for their own well-being and that of others, they should be taken into protective care.

Interesting idea, maybe propose it next time you're talking to a politician, be interesting to see what happens. Be interesting to see how that would be funded!

odyssey06

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Interesting idea, maybe propose it next time you're talking to a politician, be interesting to see what happens. Be interesting to see how that would be funded!

I'd be doubtful any of ours would have the vision!
But it might be cheaper than dealing with the effects of anti-social behaviour, drink, drugs, fly tipping etc in 'wider' society, and infantalising the rest of society because we have a section of society who can't look after themselves as adults in a responsible manner.

The people illegally dumping are unlikely to be perfectly law-abiding citizens in every other respect, they'll be driving badly, they'll be drink and drug driving; probably without tax and insurance, and in car without an NCT...

Samaris

odyssey06 wrote: »

I'd be doubtful any of ours would have the vision!
But it might be cheaper than dealing with the effects of anti-social behaviour, drink, drugs, fly tipping etc in 'wider' society, and infantalising the rest of society because we have a section of society who can't look after themselves as adults in a responsible manner.

The people illegally dumping are unlikely to be perfectly law-abiding citizens in every other respect, they'll be driving badly, they'll be drink and drug driving; probably without tax and insurance, and in car without an NCT...

Thing is though, there is always a portion of the population who etcetera, which is why we need laws in the first place.

odyssey06

Samaris wrote: »

Thing is though, there is always a portion of the population who etcetera, which is why we need laws in the first place.

True, but if we're not willing to put these kinds of people into prisons for anti-social behaviour because they're "struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues" rather than say "career criminals" ... perhaps some form of alternative treatment-based institution might be in order?

I don't think it would be a good idea to mix the two populations or treat them the same.
I do think the state needs to take a firmer hand with them.

Widdershins

Del2005 wrote: »

If people are in dire straits then how can they afford a new sofa or fridge? The sofas I've seen all look fairly good and if you can get a fridge to the middle of a mountain you have enough money to get it to the local WEEE centre.

The issue is that people always blame the government or someone else for the problem. In the Grenfell Tower the residents were blaming the council for not removing rubbish from the fire escapes, why weren't they blaming the residents for dumping the rubbish in the fire escapes? Or our own ethnic minority are saying that their sites are a fire hazard because of all the rubbish they are collecting (but blame on others dumping! ) Because it's easier to blame outsiders than face up to the fact that you are living with people who don't give a toss.

Only last week I was driving beside an ethnic minority multi unit residence and there was a lovely tyre fire burning. There's not even any money in metal anymore but they are still burning them for a few cent of metal.

Yes I agree. Unless they've just got the sofa from Freecycle because the other one was wrecked or something, and they don't know what to do with the old one. Some people aren't very bright or have mental problems. Maybe the recycling centres could be better publicised..do most people know where they are, what they accept and the fees are?
Most of the time it does look like selfishness. Halting site residents are supposed to have their bins paid for so there's no excuse.