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The Curious Incident of the DUB flight at Stansted in the evening

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    #32
    BrokenArrows
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    Security at standsted is always a mess.

    I flew out of there last week. All of the xray scanners that i could see, the bag area for additional checks was full. So full that no further bags could pass through the xray machine. Most of the stuff in the queue seemed to be simple items which are certainly not containing liquids etc.

    My jacket got pushed into the additional security check. All the jacket contained was keys, phone and passport. And he did a swab for drugs, thats it.

    And they wonder why the queues are huge.

    Generally Ryanair flight to London-Dublin are vastly overestimated. They quote the journey as 1h 20m. But it can be done in 50 minutes easily.
    Most flights leave late but they still arrive on time.


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    #33
    Fred Swanson
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    #34
    Irish Steve
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    Padding is there, that's for sure, but just for a moment, consider the shortest one there, LPL-DUB. If the wind is westerly, then it's a simple up and down depart LPL towards Dublin, and land on 28 at Dublin, which is about as short as it gets. Now change the wind, and suddenly, the departure from LPL is easterly, which means a longer route out off the ground to get on track for Dublin, and then instead of a straight in, it will probably be a guided tour of Meath, and further, for a landing on 10. The airtime could be almost doubled for that sector, and the same is true for the DUB-LPL sector, the normal 28 departure and arrival into LPL will take a lot longer than a 10 departure, but to then add to the time involved, getting to the 10 threshold at Dublin takes a lot longer than getting to 28, assuming no queue, which most of the time is not the case at DUB.

    Flight planning are well aware of the times for all of these factors, as well as things like holding patterns for Heathrow, which have to be accounted for, and they will do their sums based on the normal pattern of operation, and then allow some "fiddle factor" to try and ensure that even on a bad day, the overall schedule is not compromised.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #35
    Locker10a
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    Padding is endemic in the airline industry. Just look at the times quoted for DUB-MAN or DUB-LPL. Both vastly over padded so they could never be late.

    You say that like it's a bad thing......
    when in reality it's not, what use is selling the "in the air time" to passengers when you need 40 mins to an hour on top of that in some cases for boarding and taxi times.
    It's no good saying to pax the flight will be 58 mins, which in reality it might be! When it takes a further 30 mins to taxi, que for runway and taxi to arrival gate. The padded time is quite often the time you spend on the plane from gate to gate and it's fairly accurate.
    If I'm planning onward travel from a destination I'd prefer airlines overestimate journey time than underestimate it as that leaves me more time and less worry/panics when I'm trying to run to make an onward connection.


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    #36
    IngazZagni
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    Padding is endemic in the airline industry. Just look at the times quoted for DUB-MAN or DUB-LPL. Both vastly over padded so they could never be late.

    Well I flew Dublin to Liverpool last month. 55 minutes was the scheduled time. Sure the flying time should only be around 30 mins or so but the scheduled time is the time you push back to the time you arrive at the gate and NOT the time you are in the air. Anyway we pushed on time and arrived 25 minutes late as we were in a taxi queue for 45 minutes in Dublin.

    Edit: oh and on top of that we had another delay getting off the plane in Liverpool because they were short staffed and we needed to be escorted to the terminal. Swissport again I think.


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    #37
    LXFlyer
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    First thing that people always forget is that timetables reflect the times that the aircraft pushes back from the gate to the time it arrives on stand at the destination airport, and not the time it takes off and lands (a misnomer that Ryanair have fuelled with their on time bugle!).

    Unfortunately apps such as FR24 don't reflect this and only show actual times for take off and landing.

    If the schedules didn't include sufficient time for taxiing delays, holding at busy airports etc, the entire schedule for each aircraft would be out the window for the rest of the day.

    Far better to have a achedule that is likely to be robust rather than one that is going to fall apart at the first sign of congestion at airports. It also allows passengers some degree of confidence in terms of connections etc.


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