Bloggers / Influencers releasing products [Please read note in post #966]

Lougarden

a lot of the features are down now from the T&R twitter feed and COD feed but still a lot of advertisement remains for the brand launch etc (looks like the article from the Indo 30 under 30 was removed from these 2 x feeds also but not certain)

retro:electro

Since when do you see stuff in Penneys for €80+? You get what you pay for in there. The people trying to force that point don't have much between the ears.

SpillingTheTea

Someone trying to compare the situation like buying in BT made me chuckle.
Lauding Taylor and Rose and Jennifer Wrynne as a designer like Louis Vuitton etc so one must spend more money made me laugh.

I can understand slightly about Jennifer Wrynne because she’s a milliner, but the fact that she has hair pieces on her site, you could be led to believe that she designed them.
It’s all very vague and that’s what annoys me.

retro:electro

You just can't compare buying online with retail. There are certain costs that are factored in with retail that are excluded when you are exclusively an online business.
All these people are just justifying how it's okay to rip people off and completely mislead them about the development of the product.

ieoin

I'm delighted, this social media biz influencer stuff is absolute garbage.
Everything is an ad, they just make 'content' which is mind numbing crap in the first place to shill to the dumb downed masses.
Everything from fb to twitter to snapchat is blown out of proportion millions upon millions of fake likes followers and pages.
Ad metrics and reach are inflated, just do a quick search and you will see fb can target more males in the states than actually exist in some regions.
No regulation across the board on the so called 'influencers', it's obvious what they are doing but when you have a lot of sheep they are gonna follow the flock.

greensheep777

So we got a Snapchat tutorial of how to put on Sue's fake nails today! Still waiting for the eyeshadow tutorial!

Ray37

I'm really hoping a website or a journo picks up on this, The Journal had a piece up during the week about shoddy cosmetics being sold in Ireland, I was half wondering were they referring to white label ones? Maybe this would be of interest to them.

allym

greensheep777 wrote: »

So we got a Snapchat tutorial of how to put on Sue's fake nails today! Still waiting for the eyeshadow tutorial!

Thank god for that. I would have never figured out how to glue some plastic on to my nails :rolleyes:

SpillingTheTea

I could be wrong, but doesn’t cuticle oil break down nail glue? She placed it on after doing her nails but the nails aren’t bonded to the nail with gel so wouldn’t the oil get under the press on nail and loosen up the glue?

Gunslinger92

Laura's views and another Laura, don't remember her surname, have a review up of the pixie pout bare lip kit

Spoiler alert: they didn't last 2 and a half hours on their lips.

Lindy97

Snap and ask... she'll block you lol

Conor Pope in The Irish Times is also a very good person for consumer issues

retro:electro

Lindy97 wrote: »

Snap and ask... she'll block you lol

Conor Pope in The Irish Times is also a very good person for consumer issues

Love Conor Pope. Could listen to him for hours.

Lougarden

i've asked Conor Pope, Colette Sexton, Xpose, Ireland AM, Goss.ie, Beaut.ie, Independent and a few more media outlets if they can look into this..plus some of the bigger bloggers being seen as sponsors/featuring promotion. Hopefully someone will investigate. Went to the source itself first but shut down and no response, we'll see. Would be nice just for it to be called out that if you gain trust from people by saying you find 'dupes' or cheap ways to style from extortionate/designer prices; don't be a hypocrite and then use tactics that make your reader feel like they are getting quality but bargain when around €100 for €5 junk

wyrn

I don't wear fake nails because I'd catch them in everything and I'm lazy, a layer of nail polish and I feel swanky.

Anyway, I've just been watching SoSue's snaps on her bridal nails - is this a new thing to have nails that are really wide so you don't see the bit of skin at the side of the nail? I wouldn't ask only I just watched Laura's Views and Laura Dempsey's video on the PixiePout and her nails are the same! :eek: I couldn't stop looking at Laura Dempsey's, it kinda put me off them being so long because of the weird colour on the backside of the nail. It looked slightly dirty but I think it's just a shadow of the nail.

laylag

If nothing else good comes of this, I have about ten necklaces and 3 pairs of earrings all in my AliExpress cart for less than the cost of ONE necklace on the Irish sites!

Lougarden

laylag wrote: »

If nothing else good comes of this, I have about ten necklaces and 3 pairs of earrings all in my AliExpress cart for less than the cost of ONE necklace on the Irish sites!

yeah, I keep looking at the stuff going ooh that is really lovely! ooh €4, yay

gossipgirl10

Lougarden wrote: »

i've asked Conor Pope, Colette Sexton, Xpose, Ireland AM, Goss.ie, Beaut.ie, Independent and a few more media outlets if they can look into this..plus some of the bigger bloggers being seen as sponsors/featuring promotion. Hopefully someone will investigate. Went to the source itself first but shut down and no response, we'll see. Would be nice just for it to be called out that if you gain trust from people by saying you find 'dupes' or cheap ways to style from extortionate/designer prices; don't be a hypocrite and then use tactics that make your reader feel like they are getting quality but bargain when around €100 for €5 junk

I was just thinking about that earlier how one of the things Ciara O'Doherty is best known for is finding designer dupes for her followers to help them get the look for less. If anything she was directing a lot of people to these Chinese websites where they could find cheap goods who ordinarily would never buy from those sites. How did she think she could then bring out a range of products from those sites, mark them up to more than ten times the price in a lot of cases and not think that anyone would question it.

And I'd say she will come out now and say oh I never said I made them but I've seen examples of comments on her launch video etc where someone has asked did she design them and she just ignores the question.

If you are flat out replying to comments thanking everyone for all the praise on your launch you can do a quick response to say no I didn't make them. Completely ignoring questions about whether or not you made them is pretty much the same as saying you made them you are doing nothing to clarify it for the follower.

gossipgirl10

https://www.beaut.ie/beauty/irish-blogger-ciara-odoherty-luxury-hair-accessory-brand-stuff-dreams-390118

"The hair accessory has got a luxury upgrade and there is plenty in this range to lust after.

You may or may not be familiar with Ciara O’Doherty, the Irish blogger/influencer/stylist. She’s a Snapchat Queen who has now turned her hand to designing by launching Taylor & Rose, an upmarket hair accessory brand with hair bands, crowns, earrings and hair pins to choose from.

Now you might not think you need a crown for your hair - we didn’t either - but after browsing the designs we are seriously impressed. The dainty hair pieces are perfect for a formal occasion, wedding or a gift for a friend, and she’s managed to take on the flower crown without making it tacky.

We’re predicting it will be the crowns everyone will go mad for - the designs are so unique – but there are some gorgeous hair pins and vines to compliment an updo. As it’s a luxury brand the prices are steep with most of the crowns coming in at over €90. This is a definite treat yo’self buy. But, there are some more affordable products in the earring range."

Every single article I've read online about Taylor and Rose has mentioned that she designed them, that they are handmade, that they are bespoke etc.

<removed> It's poor journalism on their part to write these things when they don't have their facts straight but they certainly don't seem to have been made aware that these were not her own designs.

retro:electro

"Turned her hand to designing" has she :rolleyes:

wyrn

gossipgirl10 wrote: »

https://www.beaut.ie/beauty/irish-blogger-ciara-odoherty-luxury-hair-accessory-brand-stuff-dreams-390118

"The hair accessory has got a luxury upgrade and there is plenty in this range to lust after.

You may or may not be familiar with Ciara O’Doherty, the Irish blogger/influencer/stylist. She’s a Snapchat Queen who has now turned her hand to designing by launching Taylor & Rose, an upmarket hair accessory brand with hair bands, crowns, earrings and hair pins to choose from.

Now you might not think you need a crown for your hair - we didn’t either - but after browsing the designs we are seriously impressed. The dainty hair pieces are perfect for a formal occasion, wedding or a gift for a friend, and she’s managed to take on the flower crown without making it tacky.

We’re predicting it will be the crowns everyone will go mad for - the designs are so unique – but there are some gorgeous hair pins and vines to compliment an updo. As it’s a luxury brand the prices are steep with most of the crowns coming in at over €90. This is a definite treat yo’self buy. But, there are some more affordable products in the earring range."

Those bits in bold certain makes it sound like she designed, crafted or commissioned them herself. It might be the authors fault for assuming these things but surely they should have checked.

That said, I've gone of Beaut.ie because it's all a bit sycophant about certain people and the pieces are fluff. Which is a shame because I was a huge fan of it at the start.

Mzo1978

Im so surprised to see betty + biddy mentioned on tge scammers page i only hope stella and dot arent next

gossipgirl10

http://z-palmer.wixsite.com/zoeelizabeth/single-post/2017/07/13/Taylor-Rose-Launch-Party---The-Details

"Tuesday just gone was the launch party of the new brand Taylor and Rose. If you haven't heard by now Taylor and Rose is a new luxury hair accessory brand designed founded by Irish blogger Ciara O'Doherty."

"The pieces are hand made and to my surprise the prices are extremely reasonable (12e - 145e)."

So how did everyone at the launch party come away thinking they are handmade and designed by Ciara herself? They all must have been totally mistaken *eyeroll*

SpillingTheTea

Handmade , yeah probably by someone in a factory in China

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Has there been any comment?

gossipgirl10

I have a very vague recollection from ages back of Jennifer Wrynne saying she wasn't going to be doing custom made bridal pieces any more that things were so busy in her shop etc and something had to give but that they would still have some ready made ones available to buy? Did she realise the time and effort she was putting into custom orders for brides wasn't worth it when she could sell the cheap imports instead.

I think that is really bad form it definitely takes from her own designs and brand which are beautiful. Her website says all of the stufff is made by hand by Jennifer so people could easily buy the aliexpress ones and be under the impression that it was something Jennifer handmade

wyrn

The prices on Ali Express seem too good to be true in some cases. I wonder what the quality is like in real life and if you can tell by holding it that it's on the cheap side. I know I've a few head pieces from Penneys over the years that look more expensive than they are but you wouldn't be able to tell it's Penneys unless you hold it.

Wonder if those earrings, headpieces and clutches feel cheap from the different influencers vs Ali Express. Like with the clutches you can tell a cheap bag by the lining on the inside.

blairbear

wyrn wrote: »

Wonder if those earrings, headpieces and clutches feel cheap from the different influencers vs Ali Express. Like with the clutches you can tell a cheap bag by the lining on the inside.

But there is no influencers vs Ali Express.. They are the exact same product. They will all feel the exact same.

They're Penney's quality or worse, I would imagine.

gossipgirl10

Ya I think some people are still missing the point here they aren't similar items on aliexpress they are the actual same items. You can see the buyers initials and the Irish flag on the transaction history on some of the listings.

People are hilarious some comments on the Instagram page saying no I think it's a different bag they do look similar though when it is the actual exact same bag! But ya you are dead right they are totally different bags and one is totally worth an extra €50+

wyrn

blairbear wrote: »

But there is no influencers vs Ali Express.. They are the exact same product. They will all feel the exact same.

They're Penney's quality or worse, I would imagine.

But that's my point. If you bought one of those items from one of the influencers and saw that the quality doesn't match the price point - would there not be more outrage from people sending them back? I know if I bought a fancy clutch bag for over a €100 and the quality was terrible, I'd send it back.

Lougarden

wyrn wrote: »

The prices on Ali Express seem too good to be true in some cases. I wonder what the quality is like in real life and if you can tell by holding it that it's on the cheap side. I know I've a few head pieces from Penneys over the years that look more expensive than they are but you wouldn't be able to tell it's Penneys unless you hold it.

Wonder if those earrings, headpieces and clutches feel cheap from the different influencers vs Ali Express. Like with the clutches you can tell a cheap bag by the lining on the inside.

I've received some shocking quality items from there but also some really good bits that I've seen in shops (with a bit of markup) but not €100. I think the thing is you use a wedding headpiece (supposed to be delicate) and/or a clutch bag as a one off for a wedding (again supposed to be delicate) so you don't manhandle like a regular high-street one but it doesn't get used again or much. They've hit the market of people wanting something to look so special and unique but putting it to their own name. A lot of the stuff holds fine for the occassion (because a lot of those bits, well they never feel amazing to hold. they're different, we don't use a clutch every day / so concerned with lining)