Opinion of my diet and exercise plan to lose fat and maintain muscle

Tylerdurex

I'm looking to lose some weight, I'm quite heavy at 19 stone and only 6ft tall. Whilst I'm fat I've quite a big frame. I'm built like a rugby player. I've joined the gym and would appreciate some opinions and advice. looking to get down to 14-15 stone
My diet
7.00am- 2 cups of  strong black coffee and a pint of water
8:30am -2 greek yogurts 1 activia sugar free yogurt and 1 apple
12:00-   Turkey sandwich, side salad
7pm-      1x250g baked potato, 1x250g piece of  salmon, steak or chicken and lots of veg(450g)

Workout
Upper/lower body split 3 days a week and lots of walking

Cortina_MK_IV

First of all are you using myfitnesspal (app/website/forum? )http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ If not I'd recommend it.

Autochange

You tube: Yo Elliott
Follow him

Transform

Tylerdurex wrote: »

I'm looking to lose some weight, I'm quite heavy at 19 stone and only 6ft tall. Whilst I'm fat I've quite a big frame. I'm built like a rugby player. I've joined the gym and would appreciate some opinions and advice. looking to get down to 14-15 stone
My diet
7.00am- 2 cups of  strong black coffee and a pint of water
8:30am -2 greek yogurts 1 activia sugar free yogurt and 1 apple
12:00-   Turkey sandwich, side salad
7pm-      1x250g baked potato, 1x250g piece of  salmon, steak or chicken and lots of veg(450g)

Workout
Upper/lower body split 3 days a week and lots of walking

Where do you think you fall down on your diet?

Transform

Autochange wrote: »

You tube: Yo Elliott
Follow him

Really?

Tylerdurex

Transform wrote: »

Tylerdurex wrote: »

I'm looking to lose some weight, I'm quite heavy at 19 stone and only 6ft tall. Whilst I'm fat I've quite a big frame. I'm built like a rugby player. I've joined the gym and would appreciate some opinions and advice. looking to get down to 14-15 stone
My diet
7.00am- 2 cups of  strong black coffee and a pint of water
8:30am -2 greek yogurts 1 activia sugar free yogurt and 1 apple
12:00-   Turkey sandwich, side salad
7pm-      1x250g baked potato, 1x250g piece of  salmon, steak or chicken and lots of veg(450g)

Workout
Upper/lower body split 3 days a week and lots of walking

Where do you think you fall down on your diet?

Im fond of the booze

Autochange

Transform wrote: »

Really?

Yes really. check him out.

bladespin

Autochange wrote:

You tube: Yo Elliott Follow him

Comedy channel?

bladespin

Diet looks pretty tight on cals, it'd be hard to stick to, better off going closer to maintenace less 20%, far easier to stay the duration.

Oh and drop the booze or at least make sure you're counting it's cals properly, though it really makes weight loss a lot harder.

Autochange

bladespin wrote: »

Comedy channel?

Defiantly not a comedy channel. He is a pro strong man and strength/ life coach.
Very famous in the Us. Has some really good videos on training technique and diet to reach goals. Like i said check him out. See or yourself

Tylerdurex

bladespin wrote: »

Diet looks pretty tight on cals, it'd be hard to stick to, better off going closer to maintenace less 20%, far easier to stay the duration.

Oh and drop the booze or at least make sure you're counting it's cals properly, though it really makes weight loss a lot harder.

Its about 1500 calories, I probably should bring it up to 2000

Autochange

Here is an example

https://youtu.be/AEnHzV9XpL0

italodisco

Your diet is awful.

I'm surprised nobody stated the obvious, when eating in a deficit to drop weight you will lose some muscle mass, if you are not using steroids this is a given.
You need a MUCH HIGHER protein intake, that's not enough protein to maintain a fit 15 yr old girl.

You also need a carb source pre and post workout. Post workout you should always aim for a simple carb straight after (look into glycogen uptake / insulin response etc). You won't get fat from carbs that fit your macros.

I had to say it but, and this is based on science and yrs of experience, you realistically can build muscle whilst cutting of you're a natural bodybuilder /athlete. You pick one or the other, bulk or cut.

italodisco

I forgot to add, you say you do lots of walking but I'm sorry to say that it won't make any significant impact on weight-loss.

My advice would be to do a 3 day split, push pull legs. Push exercises one day(shoulder chest triceo) , pull (back and bicep) and then legs. Monday Wednesday Friday for example.

Do not go high volume on a cut, aim to do 1 compound lift as your start each session followed by 3 to 4 accessory lifts. Don't go into high rep, aim for 6 to 8 heavy reps.

Do 10 to 20 mins after every session, using the treadmill in an interval fashion.

Watch your sodium intake, keep your water intake to 4 liters plus, 8 hours sleep minimum if possible.

Look into iifym, it's a handy way to eat what you want keeping it under target.

Tylerdurex

italodisco wrote: »

Your diet is awful.

I'm surprised nobody stated the obvious, when eating in a deficit to drop weight you will lose some muscle mass, if you are not using steroids this is a given.
You need a MUCH HIGHER protein intake, that's not enough protein to maintain a fit 15 yr old girl.

You also need a carb source pre and post workout. Post workout you should always aim for a simple carb straight after (look into glycogen uptake / insulin response etc). You won't get fat from carbs that fit your macros.

I had to say it but, and this is based on science and yrs of experience, you realistically can build muscle whilst cutting of you're a natural bodybuilder /athlete. You pick one or the other, bulk or cut.

And here comes the bodybuilding broscience brigade. There's a good 120-150g of protein in the diet I posted . The post and pre hi glycemic drink is utter garbage especially for someone who is overweight. The protein your body will use to repair muscles is from the amino acids that are in your bloodstream which is from food you ate yesterday. post a pre workout nutrition is just another marketing ploy so the supplement companies can sell you something

Tylerdurex

The theory behind pre and post workout nutrition and what the supplement companies will market is as follows. 
1.Take advantage of that post workout window
2.Take some fast digesting carbs like dextrose with some fast digesting protein like whey isolate
3. This will spike insulin levels and help shuttle that protein into your muscles to speed recovery
Sounds legit, but its absolute garbage
It takes a much longer for protein to get into you system than that

Atlantic Dawn

Cut the booze back or cut it out completely. If your drinking at home knock it on the head a few weeks and see the results, if your drinking at the pubs socially perhaps switch to a spirit with sugar free mixer. Booze can undo the good.

Tylerdurex

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Cut the booze back or cut it out completely. If your drinking at home knock it on the head a few weeks and see the results, if your drinking at the pubs socially perhaps switch to a spirit with sugar free mixer. Booze can undo the good.

100% agree, its easier said than done though

Atlantic Dawn

Tylerdurex wrote: »

100% agree, its easier said than done though

Tell me about it . I've noticed myself that a month off the booze on a relative relaxed fitness regime I will lose more weight than 3 months going hard in the fitness area with moderate to heavy booze each weekend.

italodisco

Tylerdurex wrote: »

The theory behind pre and post workout nutrition and what the supplement companies will market is as follows. 
1.Take advantage of that post workout window
2.Take some fast digesting carbs like dextrose with some fast digesting protein like whey isolate
3. This will spike insulin levels and help shuttle that protein into your muscles to speed recovery
Sounds legit, but its absolute garbage
It takes a much longer for protein to get into you system than that

Another idiotic response.

Read the original post.

He wishes to at least maintain muscle whilst dropping weight. You need a high protein intake to do so. Not Bro science at all, if you aren't aware of the above then do your homework.

Also, post workout is extremely important for those on a CUT . AT NO POINT did I or anyone else suggest he eat excessive carbs all day.

You mention supplement companies a few times.... Wtf Are you on about???? I personally don't use any, my protein intake and carb is from real foods. So what was the point of that supp company rant IN RELATION TO MY POST?

Also, what is your background in fitness? Don't come on here and tell me I'm wrong and spout your crap without some real world first hand experience.

italodisco

Pretty comical that some guy with no actual experience / results is calling me out considering I've close to 15 years experience if successful dieting and training behind me lol

MysticMonk

Tylerdurex wrote:

I'm looking to lose some weight, I'm quite heavy at 19 stone and only 6ft tall. Whilst I'm fat I've quite a big frame. I'm built like a rugby player. I've joined the gym and would appreciate some opinions and advice. looking to get down to 14-15 stone My diet 7.00am- 2 cups of strong black coffee and a pint of water 8:30am -2 greek yogurts 1 activia sugar free yogurt and 1 apple 12:00- Turkey sandwich, side salad 7pm- 1x250g baked potato, 1x250g piece of salmon, steak or chicken and lots of veg(450g)

Transform wrote:

Where do you think you fall down on your diet?

I would opine that this is not,in fact his diet. This is a diet he copied and pasted from another site and he has been posting this nonsense,under different names for a decade.
Look up juanveron,timetogetfit,shadowcomplex,vampireskiss,liberation etc etc

Tell me how

italodisco wrote:

Another idiotic response.

italodisco wrote:

Read the original post.

Both posts were from same person...

bladespin

Autochange wrote:

Defiantly not a comedy channel. He is a pro strong man and strength/ life coach. Very famous in the Us. Has some really good videos on training technique and diet to reach goals. Like i said check him out. See or yourself

I have.

italodisco

italodisco wrote: »

Pretty comical that some guy with no actual experience / results is calling me out considering I've close to 15 years experience if successful dieting and training behind me lol

15 years of dietting? Jaysus.

italodisco

[Deleted User] wrote: »

15 years of dietting? Jaysus.

Lol

Not 15 bloody yrs of a constant diet as such but over 15 years I've been vigilant with macros and have managed my weight well.

At present I'm eating 600 cals above my TDEE requirement, mostly quality fats and protein from fish sources with the occasional bit of beef. On training days that 600 cals does increase up to an 1000 due to the addition of pre and post workout carbs. Intend to only eat a direct carb source on a training day and it is around the training period itself.

Over a two month period I'm down 6 kilograms but measurements have not really changed so I am holding onto the majority of muscle.

The biggest most significant positive change I ever made was, when the rare occasion popped up, having a spirit with soda water and lemon or lime instead of a beer or tonic water AND not having the odd sneaky sweet or treat that is generally considered harmless.

Also, I never set my goals against unrealistic targets, nowadays steroid use is huge and most users on Instagram etc claim to be 'natty', in turn this leads to beginners thinking that it's achievable with a bit of creatine. Lol.....

Im very open and happy to help with any questions via pm if the op is willing to be less ignorant and more receptive, and no, I'm not a personal trainer looking for a few quid.

Transform

italodisco wrote: »

Your diet is awful.

I'm surprised nobody stated the obvious, when eating in a deficit to drop weight you will lose some muscle mass, if you are not using steroids this is a given.
You need a MUCH HIGHER protein intake, that's not enough protein to maintain a fit 15 yr old girl.

You also need a carb source pre and post workout. Post workout you should always aim for a simple carb straight after (look into glycogen uptake / insulin response etc). You won't get fat from carbs that fit your macros.

I had to say it but, and this is based on science and yrs of experience, you realistically can build muscle whilst cutting of you're a natural bodybuilder /athlete. You pick one or the other, bulk or cut.

oh christ here we go! ^^^

Mellor

italodisco wrote: »

I'm surprised nobody stated the obvious, when eating in a deficit to drop weight you will lose some muscle mass, if you are not using steroids this is a given.
You need a MUCH HIGHER protein intake, that's not enough protein to maintain a fit 15 yr old girl.

What do you think the protein % (in terms of marco split) was in the posted diet?
What % do you think he should aim for?

Tylerdurex wrote: »

And here comes the bodybuilding broscience brigade. There's a good 120-150g of protein in the diet I posted.

An on the other side of the coin. Where do you think you are getting 150g from?
I'd have said it was less than that, but I'd also have said it falling short of 1500 cals.

Transform

Tylerdurex wrote: »

100% agree, its easier said than done though

youre not going to be able to out train all the booze chief, you can have results or you can have your beers on the weekends, its a choice.

However, 1-2 beers on any weekend wont harm your goals in an major way so long as the rest of the week is looking on point

Skuxx

With these threads you will always get responses from people who think their way is the only way to diet and loose weight. The fact of the matter is, calories in vs calories out. At the end of the day that is what makes you loose weight.

If I was you OP, I would workout my daily maintenance calories. There are plenty of calculators available online. This one will work out your maintenance, recommended deficit and give you a macro breakdown.
Calorie Calcualtor

Most important thing for me when I diet down is to get as close to my daily protein target as possible, this will help muscle retention while in a deficit. After that, you can be flexible with carbs and fats. It is important to eat fats as they help with hormone balance, but you can increase fats/ decrease carbs and vice-versa to suit your daily food intake. As long as you stay within the calorie deficit then you will loose weight.
If you choose to do cardio in the gym to complement this, it will add towards your calorie deficit. That is all. If you enjoy the cardio, by all means go for it, if you don't, try a brisk walk everyday, something that will be sustainable for you is most important. There is no point telling you that you must pound the threadmill for an hour everyday, as if you don't enjoy it you won't last a week.

Personally, pre and post workout carbs and all that isn't important for me either. This graph puts it into context.


I'm sure somebody will be along soon with a different theory, and that's fine too...but thats my 2cents worth!

bladespin

Have you tried slimming world?





Just kiddin.

Tylerdurex

Mellor wrote: »

What do you think the protein % (in terms of marco split) was in the posted diet?
What % do you think he should aim for?


An on the other side of the coin. Where do you think you are getting 150g from?
I'd have said it was less than that, but I'd also have said it falling short of 1500 cals.

First meal I'm have a big serving of Greek yogurt mixed with another low sugar yogurt for taste. The Greek yogurt has 35g of protein and the other yogurt has 10g

In meal 2 I'm talking about a 200-250g chicken breast in a roll I.make myself with lettuce tomato which is 40-50g of protein

Meal 3 again 250g of steak or salmon has 50g of protein . Also with regards calories that much salmon or rib eye steak has 500 calories alone

We could debate it all day but I believe protein recommendations are overblown . We are constantly told to eat 1g per lb of bodyweight but there's no consideration given for bodyfat% . Using that logic a 280lb couch potato with 40% body fat will require a lot more protein than a 200lb athlete

1g per lean weight surely, not total

Mellor

Tylerdurex wrote: »

First meal I'm have a big serving of Greek yogurt mixed with another low sugar yogurt for taste. The Greek yogurt has 35g of protein and the other yogurt has 10g

In meal 2 I'm talking about a 200-250g chicken breast in a roll I.make myself with lettuce tomato which is 40-50g of protein

Meal 3 again 250g of steak or salmon has 50g of protein . Also with regards calories that much salmon or rib eye steak has 500 calories alone

We could debate it all day but I believe protein recommendations are overblown . We are constantly told to eat 1g per lb of bodyweight but there's no consideration given for bodyfat% . Using that logic a 280lb couch potato with 40% body fat will require a lot more protein than a 200lb athlete

I wasn't asking it to debate with you, I was asking to try get some sort of quantities you are talking about. A yogurt, a sandwich means nothing really.

What yogurt has 35g of protein in it? That sounds high, unless it's a massive tub. Activia tubs are 5g (from tesco website), again unless it's a large one.

Ditto the sandwich. If you say turkey sandwich, that suggests something entirely different to 2 chicken breasts (250g) on a roll.

If you want an accurate critique of your diet, you need to give a more accurate picture of your diet.

arayess

bladespin wrote: »

Have you tried slimming world?





Just kiddin.

why you kidding?


this forum makes the mistake of assuming everybody wants to be great ,


slimming world on it's own mightnt be "the answer" but it offers diet accountability and plenty of people have lost weight on it.

some people just want to be slimmer as a result , 2 bootcamps a week and a slimming world is a happy medium for them.

so a basic eat less formula works for them and more importantly is all they want.

bladespin

arayess wrote:

this forum makes the mistake of assuming everybody wants to be great ,

Read op's post, that's why.

Autochange

bladespin wrote: »

I have.

What did you think?

bladespin

Autochange wrote:

What did you think?

It's like a comedy channel, he gives some reasonable advice in drips and drabs but he's poor, thete are several other youtoobers that offer a lot more, athleanX is good, Scott Herman too even Vince from Vshred. BUT tbh they're not telling you anything more than is already available here; Transform has to be one of the best advisors you'll find anywhere, Alf too particularly when it comes to nutrition.

Transform

bladespin wrote: »

It's like a comedy channel, he gives some reasonable advice in drips and drabs but he's poor, thete are several other youtoobers that offer a lot more, athleanX is good, Scott Herman too even Vince from Vshred. BUT tbh they're not telling you anything more than is already available here; Transform has to be one of the best advisors you'll find anywhere, Alf too particularly when it comes to nutrition.

Cheers

Overall if the client is looking to drop about 4-5stone then the first 2-3 stone should be easily dropped by doing basic stuff like walking and eating high quality foods and in a calorie deficit (from stats given he doesn't need to go any lower than about 2,200/day)

Do the simple, low cost, easy stuff first rather than looking to deflect from doing the basics by looking for the complex.

Autochange

bladespin wrote: »

It's like a comedy channel, he gives some reasonable advice in drips and drabs but he's poor, thete are several other youtoobers that offer a lot more, athleanX is good, Scott Herman too even Vince from Vshred. BUT tbh they're not telling you anything more than is already available here; Transform has to be one of the best advisors you'll find anywhere, Alf too particularly when it comes to nutrition.

i wouldnt consider it comedy myself but each to their own and all that.

Autochange

bladespin wrote: »

It's like a comedy channel, he gives some reasonable advice in drips and drabs but he's poor, thete are several other youtoobers that offer a lot more, athleanX is good, Scott Herman too even Vince from Vshred. BUT tbh they're not telling you anything more than is already available here; Transform has to be one of the best advisors you'll find anywhere, Alf too particularly when it comes to nutrition.

i wouldnt consider it comedy myself but each to their own and all that.

Transform

bladespin wrote: »

It's like a comedy channel, he gives some reasonable advice in drips and drabs but he's poor, thete are several other youtoobers that offer a lot more, athleanX is good, Scott Herman too even Vince from Vshred. BUT tbh they're not telling you anything more than is already available here; Transform has to be one of the best advisors you'll find anywhere, Alf too particularly when it comes to nutrition.

Id agree with all of that about Elliot.

Just got the jump on being a youtube guy and markets it well. His overall understanding of training, energy systems etc is just clouded in breathing into your balls, mindfulness and some other stuff that Paul Chek was talking about 10yrs ago.

Mr. CooL ICE

Also, his videos are too drawn out. You could spend 2 hours watching his videos before learning anything useful. If he got rid of the fluff and focused on condensing the useful content into shorter and more to-the-point videos, he might be worth a look. But maybe that's my lack of an attention span showing.

Autochange

Fair point about the length of his vids .FYI. Iv had some bad injuries and have some permanent nerve damage so I like the whole mental side too. Gives me motivation in a way . Been training close to 5 years and wont change what or how i do.
Best of luck in your training

Veronica Hudson

For me, exercise is the best way to lose weight, because it has worked for me. So I suggest to everyone who is trying to lose weight, to be more active. Do some yoga or some cardio.

bladespin

Veronica Hudson wrote:

For me, exercise is the best way to lose weight, because it has worked for me. So I suggest to everyone who is trying to lose weight, to be more active. Do some yoga or some cardio.

You'll never outrun a bad diet.

Dial Hard

bladespin wrote:

You'll never outrun a bad diet.

And you certainly won't out-yoga it.