€8 a pint?

GhostyMcGhost

What an absolute joke

The owner maintains he has to sell lots of pints etc... Hate this rubbish, you are in temple bar, thousands walking by your door every day of the week

€8 is an astronomical rip off and it's a horrible image to give to visitors to our country that we are just too expensive

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/is-this-irelands-most-expensive-pint-pint-of-heineken-for-8-35978055.html

tayto lover

It's pure greed but they don't have to buy it.

TheRiverman

Fools and their money.

Rip off should only be applied to products and services you are under any onus to buy

8 quid for a pint, wgaf, go next door. you're actively looking for something to moan about tbh

nkav86

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's free to charge the price he is and people are free not to pay, yeah?

Yet the business is doing very well and people still complain they've been charged those prices.

Stop fu£kin buying it and it won't last long!

Sam Kade

If fools stopped buying pints there he have to reduce his price.

enricoh

Was in milan ten years ago and got a round of five longnecks of peroni. E50 and bartender was waiting for a tip. Sod that we said n went on to the next pub. E50 again! Never go to milan op or u'll be permanently outraged!

Realt Dearg Sec

nkav86

enricoh wrote:

Was in milan ten years ago and got a round of five longnecks of peroni. E50 and bartender was waiting for a tip. Sod that we said n went on to the next pub. E50 again! Never go to milan op or u'll be permanently outraged!

50-b*stard-quid???? Holy Jesus!! I'd collapse, next of him looking for a tip

NIMAN

Ireland is a dear hole, and it's getting all celtic tiger again. People will never learn.

Currently in Spain, and the prices for food and drink put us to shame.

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29.
Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

GhostyMcGhost

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Rip off should only be applied to products and services you are under any onus to buy

8 quid for a pint, wgaf, go next door. you're actively looking for something to moan about tbh

I'm concerned that tourists that know little better are being gouged

These boyos try it and suddenly since they're so good at it, the lads in the vicinity jack their prices up too

Next thing you know €8 is the new norm.

You try meet a group of friends and they suggest gogartys. Not always possible to choose where you want to drink but if it was my choice I would never darken the door of such a greedy place

Sorry if highlighting what's happening is "moaning" but you're also free to choose not to follow threads on something that doesn't seem to interest or phase you

Markcheese

NIMAN wrote:

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29. Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

I usually buy water in 12 litre packs.. (6x2) and its not dear, 20 or 30 cents a litre..

GhostyMcGhost

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Sorry if highlighting what's happening is "moaning" but you're also free to choose not to follow threads on something that doesn't seem to interest or phase you

Oh don't worry it didn't cost me anything

endacl

enricoh wrote: »

Was in milan ten years ago and got a round of five longnecks of peroni. E50 and bartender was waiting for a tip. Sod that we said n went on to the next pub. E50 again! Never go to milan op or u'll be permanently outraged!

Never go where the tourists go.

/thread

Noveight

Templebar prices are extortionate. Walk 10 minutes down the road and get your pint for €4.

Same can be said for other European cities which are popular with tourists. Wander off the thoroughfare and you'll get your food/drink for far more reasonable prices.

Realt Dearg Sec

Noveight wrote: »

Templebar prices are extortionate. Walk 10 minutes down the road and get your pint for €4.

Same can be said for other European cities which are popular with tourists. Wander off the thoroughfare and you'll get your food/drink for far more reasonable prices.

This is just it. Dublin is extortionate for tourists but when you ask them what they do, the whole tourist infrastructure is built around encouraging them into Temple Bar. So once they've been told that's the place to get food and drink, those bars have them trapped like at an airport. No matter that, prices aside, the pubs in Temple Bar are total ****e, impersonations of a real pub. The tourists get a raw deal out of all this, missing out on the really great places to drink and spend time in the city and wandering around this awful theme park full of price-gouging hoors of bar owners, assorted British stag scumbags, and a never ending parade of Roma beggars and thieves looking to exploit them as best they can.

But that is exactly the same reason people come back from Barcelona disappointed. They are sent to the Ramblas to be gouged by bars, eat sub par food, get robbed by hookers and pickpockets and set upon by British stag parties. The same in Prague around Wenceslas square, and I'm sure plenty of other places too. In every case, including Dublin, there are really fantastic places not five minutes away. But as long as tourists are willing to be gouged, they'll be gouged.

If they come away thinking Dublin is a total rip off (and it's worth remembering that aside from these extreme examples, it is quite an expensive city), to some extent their lack of cop on needs to be factored in. If I go to Budapest and do all my drinking on Vaci utca, I'll be easily paying four or five times over the odds of what I would in the city generally. And I'll have completely missed out on the city. But it should be fairly obvious to me that I'm in a tourist gouging area. If you can't see Temple Bar is the same kind of place, you'd have to be blind.

worded

8 Euros is about right for there considering the irish bands they have there.
Great spot had many a memorable night there. They spend 1000s on advertising and run a good shop. Don't want to pay it and be surrounded by foreign wimmins? Then go somewhere else

Years ago was standing on a stool with me then Swedish mot swaying to a live band and topping up our glasses with a little bottle of vodka we shook in and a member of staff twigged it. They waved a disapproving finger from side to side and just laughed.

Great bands, open late every night, great location .... they have it all

me_irl

worded wrote: »

8 Euros is about right for there considering the irish bands they have there.
Great spot had many a memorable night there. They spend 1000s on advertising and run a good shop. Don't want to pay it and be surrounded by foreign wimmins? Then go somewhere else

Years ago was standing on a stool with me then Swedish mot swaying to a live band and topping up our glasses with a little bottle of vodka we shook in and a member of staff twigged it. They waved a disapproving finger from side to side and just laughed.

Great bands, open late every night, great location .... they have it all

Lovely anecdote... still doesn't relate to the argument that they're charging extortionate amounts to tourists.

As mentioned, I think forewarned is forearmed. Nip this bullsh*t pricing in the bud, and warn anyone via tripadvisor / social media against drinking in this place and send them on to local bars. Not our turned to eleven, "diddley eye" bollocks.

Darkie Kellys down near Civics has live music on nearly every weekend and I'm sure they're not charging 8 bob! (And no, I don't work for them... It's just somewhere off the top of my head).

So don't give us that "you're paying for the experience" sh*te.

whiskeygirl

They are though. The tourists want the temple bar experience and they get it here. Owner is happy, and any time I've been inside or passing at any time day or night the place is jammed with people having a good time. This is the Ireland most tourists want to see, so let them have at it. I've directed tourist friends to McNeill's on Capel Street or Cobblestone for music in the past, and nearly all preferred temple bar pubs.

As for 'proper' pub experience or missing out on 'real pubs', that's just romanticised guff. It's a place where you drink and piss and talk ****e, you're not visiting an art gallery or museum ffs.

worded

Temple bar is the cultural quarter of dublin

More culture in a tub of yoghurt ....

me_irl

whiskeygirl wrote: »

They are though. The tourists want the temple bar experience and they get it here. Owner is happy, and any time I've been inside or passing at any time day or night the place is jammed with people having a good time. This is the Ireland most tourists want to see, so let them have at it. I've directed tourist friends to McNeill's on Capel Street or Cobblestone for music in the past, and nearly all preferred temple bar pubs.

As for 'proper' pub experience or missing out on 'real pubs', that's just romanticised guff. It's a place where you drink and piss and talk ****e, you're not visiting an art gallery or museum ffs.

I'm totally with you on this, as an "experience". But tourists shouldn't be paying an arm and a leg just to drink (not even the local) tipple and experience (watered down [sic]) trad music.

It could be an argument that tourists want the local experience, but I feel that Temple Bar definitely isn't it. It's like an exaggerated version of it.

davo10

The market sets the price, if they charge €8 and the place is full to capacity with people buying those pints, then the price is right. If it was empty then they are charging the market too much. If there are enough fools wanting to pay €8, why would it "be nipped in the bud"?, reducing the price would mean they are not maximising profits, and this may surprise some, maximising profits is what being in business is about.

I don't live in Dublin but a couple of months ago I met up with friends for a weekend there, we spent most of our time in Templebar and thoroughly enjoyed it, there was a great buzz around the place, the pubs were full, the music was great, it was our choice to pay the extra premium on pints so I wouldn't knock it too much.

Mint Sauce

Flippin heck, didn't even spend that much on a pint of Kronenberg, at a table service tourist hotspot, in the middle of Lyon. Some Irish bars really know how to rip people off.

Billy86

NIMAN wrote: »

Ireland is a dear hole, and it's getting all celtic tiger again. People will never learn.

Currently in Spain, and the prices for food and drink put us to shame.

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29.
Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

I would need to double check but I bought I think it was 6 litres (6x1l bottles) in Aldi a week back for €1.69. More than Spain sure, but hardly unreasonable - might have got a better price too.

Ireland has plenty of ripoff areas, but Aldi and Lidl do a great job helping on the food front. Also to go on a bit of a quick tangent, in Canada one litre of milk is $4.50 (approx €3) if I recall while a 200g pack of standard cheese is $6 (€4) and a large bottle of cream was about $9 (€6). And that's not a matter of 'some places' - it's a minimum pricing model.

ZeroThreat

Only use I've ever had for Templebar is as a shortcut when travelling from Dame street to O'Connell street....

CeilingFly

NIMAN wrote: »

Ireland is a dear hole, and it's getting all celtic tiger again. People will never learn.

Currently in Spain, and the prices for food and drink put us to shame.

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29.
Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

5l bottles €1.29 in nearly every supermarket

2l bottles 50c in nearly every supermarket

or like many, do you compare the price of a 500ml bottle in a convenience store to a 8l package n a supermarket to make you feel good.

Minimum wage in spain is under €5/hour. In the food industry, wages is the biggest single cost.

So if you lived in Spain and were paid the local rate of wages for your job, the effective cost would actually be higher than here.

rubadub

NIMAN wrote: »

Currently in Spain, and the prices for food and drink put us to shame.

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29.
Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

how much is a litre of fresh pasteurised milk there?

I know plenty of people who have been paying well over €8 per pint of beer for years -in the form of bottles. A longneck at €5.50 works out at €9.47 per pint. Many people are completely blind to this. A longneck at €4.65 is €8 per pint and I know many who would think €4.65 is a decent price in a pub, even though they would rarely pay over a euro for the same bottle in the offie/supermarket.

kunst nugget

NIMAN wrote: »

Ireland is a dear hole, and it's getting all celtic tiger again. People will never learn.

Currently in Spain, and the prices for food and drink put us to shame.

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29.
Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

It's not far off that for the five litre bottles in Aldi or Lidl. The twelve packs of 500ml are pretty cheap as well.

SteM

What's the issue here? Tourists aren't thick, they go onto Tripadvisor the same way Irish do before they go to Paris (where a pint has been expensive in certain areas for years) or Amsterdam or wherever. They know that they're paying over the odds and they choose to. It's not like they're being bused from the airport to temple bar and told they have to drink there and no where else.

shar01

Oh course they have to charge that much - tourists don't drink and would happily sit over a pint for the night.

Riskymove

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

€8 is an astronomical rip off and it's a horrible image to give to visitors to our country that we are just too expensive

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/is-this-irelands-most-expensive-pint-pint-of-heineken-for-8-35978055.html

$13 for a bottle of beer in new world trade centre

tourist traps are tourist traps OP

Xterminator

Just bought 8 litres of water for €1.29.
Try buying a litre of bottled water in Ireland. W

you know you cant drink the tapwater in spain right?

so thats a drinking tax. here, the price is pretty similar but unless you live in a boil notice area, its a luxury!!

Former Former

Xterminator wrote: »

you know you cant drink the tapwater in spain right?

so thats a drinking tax. here, the price is pretty similar but unless you live in a boil notice area, its a luxury!!

The 1970s called, they want their perception of Spain back.

Of course you can drink the tapwater.

rubadub

Some would say otherwise, depends on region

http://www.expatica.com/es/about/Best-and-worst-cities-for-potable-drinking-water-in-Spain_565059.html

Palma de Mallorca

Palma de Mallorca is another city on the black list for the quality of water, particularly when it comes to cleanliness and contamination. Additionally, this water is not recommended for drinking due to the poor taste from the high level of mineralisation and because it is very hard water.

There is a huge contrast between the quality of water here and in Las Palmas. The World Health Organisation (WHO) recommends no more than 25mg/litre of nitrate in our tap water, and in Palma de Mallorca the level just surpassed this at 26mg/litre. While this is only a small amount, it is particularly harmful for children when it reaches their stomach and can cause serious health problems.

Barcelona

Possibly hard to believe, Barcelona is another major city that finds itself on the side of the list for poor quality tap water in Spain. OCU discovered an elevated level of aerobio microorganisms in the water samples from the Catalan city when they were tested. The presence of these microorganisms reveals that the water has been badly disinfected, which in turn signifies that the procedure to turn the water into drinking water has not been carried out correctly. It could also mean, however, that the water has somehow been contaminated along the way from the treatment plant to the homes in the region, including from the pipes inside each property.

Huelva

While it may have been surprising to see some of the cities from the north of the country featuring on the list of bad drinking water, it might not be so surprising to see this city from the region of Andalusia appear on the list as well. And here, the same as in Barcelona, a high level of aerobes was detected due to poor disinfection. As with the Catalan city, it is advisable not to drink the tap water in Huelva either.

Alicante

The quality of tap water in eastern parts of the country is not the best, and it is recommended to consume bottled water instead. In Alicante, ideally you wouldn’t drink the water here or use it for cooking. According to the Hispagua web page, amongst the nutrients found within the tap water from this city are high levels of trihalomethanes, more than the permitted levels for clean drinking water. Consuming the water here could cause problems to your health.

Cres

Possibly the worst quality tap water in Spain is found in Cres. Here, it’s no longer odourless, colourless and tasteless as it should be, and that’s because as well as the usual nutrients found in the water, there are plenty of other substances that shouldn’t be there too. If you live in the Cres area, it is advised not to drink the water nor use it for cooking

There is 23% vat on water here, not sure about spain.

Realt Dearg Sec

It doesn't actually matter, the point of the water example is that the cost of living is lower in Spain than in Ireland. That's true whether they can drink their water or not. They also earn an average of 1318 quid a month, which is why prices are lower for things, so the fact that things are cheaper there doesn't mean we are being automatically ripped off either. Economics really should be a compulsory subject in school.

rubadub

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It doesn't actually matter, the point of the water example is that the cost of living is lower in Spain than in Ireland. That's true whether they can drink their water or not.

The fact that many have to buy drinking water leads to it being a lot cheaper due to economies of scale, you do not see 8L bottles in supermarkets here. Some water there is desalinated stuff and does not taste nice.

Some people love to make out that they/we are really hard done by, with the grass is always greener stuff.

This is why I wanted to know the price of fresh pasteurized milk in Spain, I do not think comparing the 2 is fair, just as I do not think comparing the price of water is fair. Fresh milk is far more popular here so I would expect it to be cheaper due to economies of scale and since refigeration costs would be more in spain.

People keep exagerrating these things, not comparing like with like. I think they sometimes forget they are actually on the internet and that these things are easily checked! years ago it would be a spoofer down the pub -thanfully these spoofers are easily shot down now.

In another thread a guy was claiming dominios pizza is 5 times the price here as in canada (again maybe forgetting this is easily checked). I went onto both site sites and the same first pizzas I checked were €11 here and there. Then he starts comparing discounted special offers on pizza in dominos canada with full price ones here, ludicrous.

ssmith6287

How does this compare to the tourist hotspots in London, Paris, Rome etc?

Realt Dearg Sec

ssmith6287 wrote: »

How does this compare to the tourist hotspots in London, Paris, Rome etc?

Last time I was in Paris plenty of bars wanted up to ten quid for a pint outside of happy hour. I was at a conference with a large enough group so we used to buy cheap wine and beer in the shop and drink it in the courtyard where we were staying. Personally I couldn't enjoy a pint at that kind of price.

London I can't remember what I was paying for pints although I was around Wembley stadium so probably more than would be normal.

Rome is pretty reasonable but in my experience varies extremely widely from place to place. If you have a view of the Colosseum you pay for the privilege of it pretty handsomely. Normal places were pretty reasonable in my recollection, ordinary Irish prices I suppose.

CeilingFly

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Last time I was in Paris plenty of bars wanted up to ten quid for a pint outside of happy hour. .

Must be quite a while ago - very few places in Paris under a tenner. €12 is the norm.

Realt Dearg Sec

CeilingFly wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Last time I was in Paris plenty of bars wanted up to ten quid for a pint outside of happy hour. .

Must be quite a while ago - very few places in Paris under a tenner. €12 is the norm.

Didn't think it was too long ago, then I checked, it was eleven years ago

L1011

ssmith6287 wrote: »

How does this compare to the tourist hotspots in London, Paris, Rome etc?

Compared to Paris and Rome we don't have anywhere near the differential between locals bar and tourist bar - I've paid €4.00 for a pint of lager in one of the worst pubs in D1 within the past 6 months and its only just hitting €8 in the worst tourist trap now; but you can get a 500ml in a Parisians bar for as low as €3 and well over €10 in a tourist trap.

Our base price in locals bars is one of the highest around but our rob-the-tourists ratio isn't anywhere near as bad as it could be.

If you're asked for €8 a pint somewhere - simply go somewhere else. There's pretty close to 950 open licenced premises in Dublin!

rubadub

shar01 wrote: »

Oh course they have to charge that much - tourists don't drink and would happily sit over a pint for the night.

this is a big factor. My local pub is pretty quiet, it does attract huge groups of foreign students nursing cokes all night, well spread out across loads of seats & tables. Most regulars would be slow enough drinkers too. When of bunch of us meet up there you can see dollar signs in the managers eyes, knowing we will crowd around a small table and lash down the drink. Probably 20 times as profitable per metre squared!

Most of these places like Paris are not likely to attract big drinkers either -there is a certain profit to be made per hour per customer. If they presume everyone will drink a small amount they charge accordingly so big drinkers lose out, and vice versa, the french students from paris might think heading to the pub here is a great cheap option.

Many establishments will charge a blanket % margin on items, which I do not think is wise or fair -since many things are inherently limited on a night out, be it drinking in a pub or cafe or eating out. It can be easier to do though.

e.g. in restaurants I get a bit annoyed to see a large premium lashed onto some set menus as I know fine well the cost difference of say a decent on the boned chicken breast vs a small steak might not be as much (some are fair though). i.e. I would prefer to see a set profit per customer on their meal, rather than a set % markup. So if the steak cost them 2euro more to buy than the chicken I do not think it is fair to charge 10euro more for it.

I have wondered if there are any restaurants who charge an entry/seating fee, and then charge a reasonable price above that for the actual food you eat, e.g. in a chinese restaurant that does takeaway and sit-in, you might theoretically pay 10 euro for your seat & service and then pay takeaway prices from then on, those taking up a seat and only eating a starter do not pay their way (the inbuilt fee is small), and those horsing down loads of food & extras are penalised a lot more.

Most will have this "fee" built into the price, just like online shops with "free delivery" will have it built in. e.g. a bike shop with "free delivery" might sell puncture repair patches for 4euro with "free delivery", really it is 1 euro and 3 for postage and admin. If someone orders 10 sets for 40 euro they are lightweight and so might cost the shop the exact same 3 euro for postage & admin, and so are paying well over the odds for the actual items.

e.g. I was in Java Republic a good while ago and think kopi luwak coffee was 28euro a cup at the time. I think "regular cups" were 2.50 or 2.80, lets say 1/10th the price. Here is an article on it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/most-expensive-coffee-in-the-world-1.497430

A 250g bag of the coffee beans, which will yield about 20 good-sized cups costs €68.49 and the idea is that it is “occasion coffee” to mark a special event, or a gift for the coffee lover in your life. A cup of Kopi Luwak will also be available to buy in the coffee shop, at a specially reduced price €26.59.

"specially reduced price" -wow, what a bargain! Java currently have 227g bags of supposedly decent award winning coffee for 5.75, which is 6.33 per 250g.

Going off their own prices at home the 20cups for 68.49 will cost you 3.42 per cup in beans. Using the same coffee ratio their 6.33/250g would be 32cent per cup. So the difference in price of ingredients is 3.10 (to the home consumer, to them it is likely far less) but they are charging about 24euro more! They have to cover overheads, heating, preperation blah blah, so charging 2.50-3 is understandable if the ingredients cost 32cent (heating & milk etc being more again), but the overheads should be the same regardless. But they are pricing it off similar enough margins which is just stupid, rather than profit per cup. To turn it around if the accountants wanted to make the same amount of money per cup as the kopi luwak they would be charging 26.27 for a cup of normal (yet award winning) coffee.

And yes, I understand holding stock of high price items does not make it the same -but the differences are ludicrous.

It is odd since in pubs tend to do the opposite, this is why I rarely buy premium/expensive beers at home, but do in pubs. e.g the heinken longneck is over 5.50 or so in pubs, but 1 euro or less in offies, while the budvar 500ml bottle is 6 or 6.50, while is 2.50 or 3 in offies. The higher the price in the offie the smaller the markup you often see in pubs.

L1011 wrote: »

If you're asked for €8 a pint somewhere - simply go somewhere else.

People need to learn to ask prices beforehand, publicans take advantage of this odd tradition of never EVER daring to ask prices beforehand, it should be "if you are QUOTED €8 a pint somewhere - simply go somewhere else." too many just ask, get the pint poured, begrudgingly pay the 8euro and leave. Or else those with balls might leave it, leaving some other poor soul to get a scaldy left over pint, or have it poured down the drain which in turn will lead to higher prices due to wastage. In other threads I suggested if you were on a stag or with a big group to go into a pub you know is overpriced, order a huge amount from a manager/owner, enquire about price and leave laughing and tell them why, let them know. I believe pints of Paulaner can still be got for 2euro in a hotel in harcourt street on certain days -cheaper than most offies.

Geuze

CeilingFly wrote: »

Must be quite a while ago - very few places in Paris under a tenner. €12 is the norm.

It's possible to pay 5.50 for 50cl beer in Paris, but you have to know where to go.

bocon

I don't think tourists see these high prices for pints in Temple Bar as being a rip off. Everybody is well aware of tourist traps for these kind of prices especially when dealing with capital cities.

Geuze

Hamburg prices last week

33cl Astra pils typically 2.40 in pubs, 1.90 in one dive rock bar

50cl typically 3.20-3.50, i.e. 3.50-3.90 per pint

ssmith6287

You can buy a pint in Cork for €3, might aswell compare like with like

Billy86

ssmith6287 wrote: »

You can buy a pint in Cork for €3, might aswell compare like with like

Then again, Hamburg is about the same size as Dublin and not Cork.

razorblunt

The tourists are worse to pay it.
Templebar is known as a tourist trap, I wouldn't go to St Peter's in Rome or the Eiffel Tower an complain about the price of food around there.

Phoenix Wright

enricoh wrote:

Was in milan ten years ago and got a round of five longnecks of peroni. E50 and bartender was waiting for a tip. Sod that we said n went on to the next pub. E50 again! Never go to milan op or u'll be permanently outraged!

I can support that, €10 for a warm, plastic 330ml bottle of Heineken. Left immediately.

ssmith6287

Billy86 wrote: »

Then again, Hamburg is about the same size as Dublin and not Cork.

Its Germanys 2nd city. A pint in Birmingham is cheep

Billy86

ssmith6287 wrote: »

Its Germanys 2nd city. A pint in Birmingham is cheep

Second city sure, but as a city it still would appear more comparable to Dublin than Cork in terms of size and scope.