The trial of Molly Martens

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355283#Comment_121355283

What they said in the immediate aftermath that was backed up by hours and hours of secret recordings that were sent to an expert family law attorney?

Recordings that revealed precisely nothing other than a normal family row? This despite MM's obvious attempts to goad Jason into rows knowing they were being recorded with the aim to justify gaining custody of the kids.

That's what you'd rely on?

Not the statements made 8 years later, the ones made in the presence of the only 3 people who actually know the real truth?

Two of those people spoke with calmness and dignity, the other sobbed and moaned, having killed one of their parents and accusing that parent of killing their mother.

Sick doesn't even go there.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355917#Comment_121355917

Molly sue the kids.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355738#Comment_121355738

No, really? That’s great of him

Annasopra

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Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354765#Comment_121354765

Yes it's shocking I know that other people have different views. If it is the case that the father wasn't involved in the actual assault on the deceased but was involved to the extent of helping his daughter to 'cover it up', I think that is very understandable thing to do and particularly for a father. If he has continued to take the rap and stand by her, that is admirable. I trust you are not shocked.

I also presume that you may not have children yourself? You do realise that parents can do literally anything to save their children from consequences. It's called love.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356573#Comment_121356573

If any child of mine did that to another human being I’d be disgusted, and would actively assist and help the police.

You said you’d admire someone doing it.

your view here is warped. Very much so.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356610#Comment_121356610

Hmmmm I think you might find that your views could be compromised sometime. As they say, doctors differ and patients die. Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought the same?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356625#Comment_121356625

Yes, it would be boring..

btw, in the case of Tom, the only reason he’d be taking the rap (if he is) is because he hated Jason; so more out of him being delighted with Jason’s death as opposed to his “admirable” love for his daughter, as you see it

Water John

There is a big red line between supporting someone who has mental/drug issues, and actively supporting them in their misdemeanors.

Chocolatier

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356573#Comment_121356573

That's not love. That's enabling, which perpetuates unhealthy behaviour and prevents them from learning and growing.

Chocolatier

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356099#Comment_121356099

I was referring to the statements made by the children in the days after the attack when they were interviewed by social care workers. I don't think any credence was given to the audio featuring the family row, which as you say, sounded fairly normal. What was the max sentence for the manslaughter plea available to the sentencing judge?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356918#Comment_121356918

I think it was 9 years.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121353338#Comment_121353338

Hi Boggles...

That little sabbatical wasnt very long now was it...

It's clear you think we're all stupid except you, but this takes the biscuit for stupidity and arrogance.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356099#Comment_121356099

You are right. Its beyond sick that people in this thread are pretty much calling everything those 2 young people said last week lies.

Higgins5473

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356573#Comment_121356573

I have two children that I obviously deeply love, if either of them do wrong I try to teach them about the error of their ways so they can learn from it. I also try and get them to own the mistake and take responsibility for it. That’s what parenting is, the basics. If they are involved in some hideous crime and I knew they were responsible for it I would leave it in the hands of the law and I would love them no less than I do today.

There is nothing admirable about what that man has done and you don’t understand the meaning of unconditional love. You are deluded and I certainly dread to think that you have children of your own if this is your take on love and parenting.

Be right back

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22320195/

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HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357190#Comment_121357190

A lot of posts pointing this out (including mine) were removed.

You're not allowed laugh at what this poster has done apparently or even allude to it.

Strange.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357498#Comment_121357498

Yes, same here and got a warning too, for the first time too! Knuckles firmly rapped!😉

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357523#Comment_121357523

Just to be clear I'm not accusing anybody of anything (I don't want any trouble!) I'm not alluding to anything either

I just found a certain posters (supposed,alleged etc) actions to be the funniest thing I've seen on boards in my time here.

To get back on topic I think this whole case stank from the beginning. TM and MM haven't quite got away with murder but got off extremely lightly.The death of their father would be very difficult for those kids to get over but what has followed since is another level.Same goes for the Corbett family.I hope they all find peace someday.

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354971#Comment_121354971

If you didnt have time to follow this closely and relied on just one's posters "factual posts" in a sea of BS, how do you know what's BS and what's factual?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355283#Comment_121355283

If the judge relied on the children's testimony after the report that would be rather foolish, and ignoring plenty of peer reviewed research in the area of children's testimony reliability, and that's before you add the huge emotional distress of the loss of a parent.

If you want some reading on the topic I suggest reading up on studies published by Coxen, Valentine, Ceci, Kulkofsky, Klemfuss, Sweeney, Bruck, Koriat, Goldsmith, Schneider, and Nakash-Dura.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356573#Comment_121356573

That aint love.

Tork

Furze got banned from the Enoch Burke thread because of his admiration for the Burkes and their no-holds-barred defence of him.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121358883#Comment_121358883

I thought I had read it all, but after the poster posting his/her admiration for Tom (if he covered, cleaned and took the rap) for the savagery of what Jason was inflicted with, I guess I had not....

same poster asked me how did I know Molly's marked neck was self-inflicted and superficial....was I there, I was asked...😖

Oscar_Madison

I find it totally extraordinary that the “battles” fought here by good decent posters over the last few weeks were not supported by thread bans and the like. There’s only so much patience ordinary posters have - were certainly not properly supported that’s for sure- some absolutely disgusting posts supporting the martens disguised as legitimate even legally backed information. I’m bloody sick of it- I still see the same posters post elsewhere - and when you raise this as an issue you’re treated like a bold child.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121359057#Comment_121359057

Nail on the head, Oscar. Ridiculous.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357523#Comment_121357523

Very strange, you're one of the more civil posters on this thread.

I got a warning and a post deleted as well, must admit it was close to the bone.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121359108#Comment_121359108

Well thank you! 😊 Was annoyed to get the warning yesterday. Oh well.🤷‍♀️

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121359113#Comment_121359113

Confectioners must be a protected species on here.

Chocolatier

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121358185#Comment_121358185

Because he/she was quoting from court documents and commenting on established facts rather than speculating and repeating falsehoods.

While it's possible for a child to parrot a story, professional social care workers, especially those experienced in dealing with children, are trained to recognise signs of coaching or manipulation. They use specific interview techniques to elicit accurate information from children.

Memory is complex and malleable. I'm open to accepting that the children could have better recall and enhanced ability to distinguish between fact and fiction as their cognitive abilities developed, but it seems the court - who would have had access to all kinds of psychological expertise - did not discount the original account.

This was manslaughter, caused in no small part by Molly Martens' instability and poor impulse control due to her bipolar condition. I don't think she's a monster. The judge got it right essentially, IMO.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121359405#Comment_121359405

Manslaughter it changed to. It was a massacre. Originally, and correctly a murder charge.

Planned either that day to be a massacre, or before that day. Ultimately only Molly and Tom know what happened, and know what they meant to happen.

I very much doubt Molly meant to cause a relatively benign physical altercation.

what I think is very very close to certain is that they beat him to death when he was no threat right from the get go..and that is murder for me.

and she is the dictionary fooking definition of a monster.