Heavyweight Boxing

eeepaulo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156588#Comment_122156588

sky bet have slight favourite to fury

Tyson Fury	8/11
Draw	16/1
Anthony Joshua	11/10

ebbsy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156582#Comment_122156582

You might be right. but AJ would have to knock Fury out to win.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156539#Comment_122156539

totally agree but that's where the money is now, last night was a bit better but still rubbish

geotrig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156553#Comment_122156553

Yeah Thought similar, watching it back a few times and if usyk did land one more good hit it might have been

eeepaulo

Undisputed at cruiser and heavy, has to be up there as one of the greatest achievements ever?

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156608#Comment_122156608

Last night was a 1 round fight on 2 judges cards , officially the closest he's come to losing

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156976#Comment_122156976

But that’s different than his toughest fight. A scorecard is not the same as a fight v another fight.

Closest he has come to losing on scorecards… yes!!!!

Anyway, reeks of desperation praise for reasons I mentioned.

Personally I thought Chisora was a tougher fight for Usyk. Usyk more in control last night.

eagle eye

Fury and his team now know not to go backwards, you are in trouble when you do that against Usyk. Nearly all of Usyk's best moments came when Tyson was on the ropes. More body shots is another thing, Usyk didn't like them and it lowered his hands a couple of times.

So Fury needs to stay away from the ropes, attack the body more and he has a great chance.

Usyk will know that and probably circle a lot and try and outscore Tyson if he can stay off the ropes. Usyk cannot go toe to toe in the middle of the ring.

If Tyson stays on the ropes it'll probably be a bigger win for Usyk.

Anyone wondering if a rematch will happen. It'll definitely happen with the money both are getting. Neither of them want to pass up on that.

geotrig

Sooo what are people's opinions of Tyson showed up last night ? All the talk before was on what version of him showed up... I m still of the opinion fury was nowhere near ready in Feb but was a good version of him last night that struggled with usyks movement.

Not sure he could out last usyk going on front foot. I actually expected fury to go all out 1st round but he didnt

walshb

I am still puzzled (impressed puzzled) as to how Usyk was able to, or allowed to push Fury back all night. Fury needed to try stand his ground more and plant feet more. He just didn’t, or couldn’t do this near enough. Was anyone telling him “you’re far bigger. Go out and stamp your authority.”

yourdeadwright

Genuine question are you allowed use inhalers during rounds??

Footage of Usyk some say kissing a cross other saying using an inhaler between round 7 & 8, Its hard to see what it is

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157156#Comment_122157156

No doubt you’re hoping it's A, illegal and B, true he was using them..

OmegaGene

Jesus lads it’s a lovely day no need to all the bickering, boxing didn’t used to be this tribal at all. Two warriors went to battle last night and one came out the winner and I was entertained and the atmosphere in the arena was very good if you look back a few rows, I can’t wait for the rematch to see how it pans out and hopefully there’s less noise in the corner for fury this time.

earthwormjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157156#Comment_122157156

It's his coaches crucifix. He's been doing it for years.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157218#Comment_122157218

It’s not really bickering. Just educated and robust debate and analysis

Btw, who you thought won?

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157170#Comment_122157170

Not at all I just wondered

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157048#Comment_122157048

I think that's as ready / good as fury was going to be, game plan was off or his execution was off but he was in good shape, someone made a good point that he was better off in the US against Wilder as his dad wasn't allowed travel.

OmegaGene

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157314#Comment_122157314

I don’t think there’s any debate on who won the fight

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157535#Comment_122157535

Well, yourdeadwright thought Fury did. There’s one!!!

OmegaGene

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157544#Comment_122157544

I posted either here or on the other thread I thought fury was doing very well until Usyk caught him with the left hook and fury did the river dance around the ring and he didn’t win a round after that. I can’t work I out why fury didn’t go for the kill when he had Usyk hurt early on but it’s easy to say that sitting on the sofa

squinn2912

Fury’s tactics were very peculiar. Surely they didn’t think his best bet was to keep retreating to the ropes and corners. At no point did I see his corner going mad at him for leaving the gameplan. I expected him to hold the centre and fire out lots of long range jabs. Usyk could get around plenty of those but he was getting around Fury not throwing. The stats implied that Fury did throw plenty but a lot from the back foot. That doesn’t cut it. Why didn’t he tie Usyk up and lean on him? What an advantage that was. He tied him up once after catching him clean and Usyk used the chance to wipe and shake his head. Several times he was standing there with one hand on the rope. That wasn’t going to help. After going down in 9 and surviving 10 then arguably winning 11 surely his corner should have been screaming at him to commit and go for it. The very best they could hope for was kind judges giving him a narrow defeat or draw. Usyk forced the issue and went home with it all.

walshb

Watched it again. Rds 1-3 Usyk, 4-7 Fury and 8-12 Usyk. 116-111.. very good fight. Plenty Fury bombs he threw missed my millimetres. Usyk follow up towards end rd 9 very impressive.

OmegaGene

always a good take from dom ingle

https://youtu.be/DLwOjvhPZcM?si=4QvHgz8gEToE4HsG

squinn2912

He should have had another hour’s sleep. Nowhere near enough credit for Usyk there.

GHendrix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157588#Comment_122157588

I think Fury was just genuinely really comfortable in there for the first half of the fight. Nothing Usyk threw was doing much damage and he took over and started dominating and eventually hurt Usyk badly.

I think he thought more of the same was all he needed. But I was screaming for him to move forward and get Usyk out of there.

I’d say he’s kicking himself today that he didn’t press harder at that point

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157989#Comment_122157989

Very best argument I could make for him was 114. Very lowest score for Usyk was 116. Ingle spouting that the Fury gameplan was working. It was terrible. He had no real belief. He looked like a fool with the showboating and pretending he wasnt affected by punches. Usyk hit him with several shots that he didn’t even see or know where he was coming from.

selectamatic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158080#Comment_122158080

People who are badly hurt usually end up taking an 8 count.

Usyk was never badly hurt last night.

He was troubled/hurt by a few good shots yes but it's an exaggeration to say he was badly hurt.

His jaw looks pretty sound too so it must be a very minor break or most likely a fracture or heavy bruising.

walshb

this Usyk badly hurt is just not true.

On his jaw. Yes, no real swelling

geotrig

O usyk eyes cut early ish, cant remember what round and fury wasn't able to capitalise on it either I'm presuming it was the upper cut that landed well that damaged his jaw but unlike a lot of boxers I didn't notice him in any discomfort at any point

Augme

As soon as Fury ring walk unfolded I was worried for him. Having all his teams around him blowing smoke up is ass, seeing him dancing around and then his antics as the fight started. Add in the fact his last major fight was in 2021 against Wilder. Since then he's faced Whyte, Chisoria and Nganou, all awful fights in prepation for an event like last night.

I think he drastically under estimated Usyk and the occasion. Last night was a war, it was an occasion where the winner would have to push themselves to reach a level they possibly haven't ever been before. I very much got the sense Fury just didn't realise or prepare properly for that.

He was deservedly lost last night, but I wouldnt rule him out the next time. If he goes in.with a better attitude and better preparation it could be an real classic too.

walshb

Poor Fury. If only his corner had told him he was “down” going into the last round, he would have went out and finished Usyk.

Deluded whinger. Between the above and Usyk winning because of the war..

rob316

Watched it there. 115-112 I had it, a very lucky boy that fight wasn't stopped in round 9.

Delighted for usyk, an incredible fighter, man has won everything he competed in professionally and amateur.

He put a hurting on fury and fury just didn't have the heart for it. Pissing around fighting no one all these years he's past it.

squinn2912

It’s pissing me off a bit the amount of people talking about how hurt Fury had Usyk. He landed a shot, a good shot. He had to retreat into the corner. 3 seconds later he had danced away from Fury and 30 seconds later Fury hadn’t a puff. Fury wasnt at all a match for Usyk last night. His tactics were poor, his conditioning finally caught up with him and he was on the backfoot all night. 115 is very harsh on Usyk and 112 is a gift for Fury.

In the 9th he got I make it 18 seconds and then the minute to recover. Very lucky with that. Usyk had Fury properly hurt, almost knocked him out. Fury landed a few times and didn’t come even close to having him in real bother.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158469#Comment_122158469

Yup. Plenty of it here. I thought I’d watched a different fight. Usyk wasn’t close to proper hurt. Some a the searching for Fury positives, as well as finding excuses for why he performed how he did is just silly.

I’ll give you your dues: you’re a Fury fan, but about as realistic and objective as can be

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158547#Comment_122158547

Thank you! What’s the point of arguing something that’s just not there. You can’t wish a different outcome. Fury was wrong to yap about thinking he’d won and mentioning even the war but he took it fairly well and didn’t make excuses. HE deserves loads of credit for coming back from that kd and I thought he scored a 10 in the 11th. I’ll have to watch it back another time. The silliness of trying to equate Fury catching Usyk with the demolition in the 9th is deluded in the extreme.

I’ve always enjoyed Fury. In this fight I was firmly with Usyk for a number of reasons but I don’t feel my own preference clouded my judgement. It’s such an easy argument for Usyk to have won compared to this draw nonsense. That says it all.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158667#Comment_122158667

I'd have to disagree on Fury didn't make excuses.

He said he thought he won, and that Usyk won because of the war. That's a blatant excuse for his loss. In other words, they only gave Usyk the win because Ukraine is at war.

Then he said had he known he was down in the fight going into rd 12 he would have stopped Usyk. Another excuse. Had I been given the correct info I would have stopped Usyk. Deluded. And wait for it, it's not 24 hours yet….there will be more excuses!!!

Boxers are full of excuses for losses…he's not alone.

GHendrix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158245#Comment_122158245

He was visibly hurt in the ring and looked in a bad way. He went to hospital after the fight also to get scans on his jaw.

People that aren’t injured don’t go to hospitals

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158703#Comment_122158703

You do realize even an innocuous punch can break your jaw?

I had jaw broken in one my most comfortable wins as an amateur. Proper broken. I wasn’t dropped, rocked, hurt.. and I know the exact punch that did it.

Your point here in no way shows Usyk was “badly” hurt. Because he wasn’t

alan partridge aha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158689#Comment_122158689

Ya the country at war excuse was pretty pathetic. In the presser afterwards Warren basically said boxers immediately after a fight might say stuff that the wouldn't on reflection or words to that effect.

Fury also mentioned about Usyk size after the fight was over. He does know that it was him that needed the standing count and not Usyk 😄

Panthro

Anyone else think if it were Usyk that were rocked in round 9 and wobbled the way Fury did, the ref would have stopped it? I reckon he would have.

I'm delighted for Usyk. Well deserved win.

GHendrix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158709#Comment_122158709

I don’t know what more to tell you. There is footage of him getting help walking after the fight. He went to the hospital for scans on his jaw with a suspected broken jaw because his jaw was hurting him. He posted a pic himself of his busted face after the fight.

I don’t know why it’s so hard to admit that he was hurt. If Fury had rushed in and hit him with another shot he would have been in huge trouble…

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158771#Comment_122158771

Nobody said Fury didn’t hurt Usyk. There is a silly and untrue narrative here that Usyk was badly hurt in the fight. He was not.

Only one incident in the fight of badly hurt, and that was Fury almost out in rd 9. Very hurt, ready to go, and extremely lucky the bell rang, giving him about 75 seconds until rd 10 action began.

Dick phelan

One thing for sure Fury needs to tell his dad and the other yes men to stay away during his preparation for the rematch. His dad really does him no favors.

kevthegaff

Was anyone suprised the time usyk nearly had fury down he held back before the ref intervened. He could have hit him a few more times

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158847#Comment_122158847

Not sure he held back. Think just a pause, to set, and then ref intervened

squinn2912

think Usyk was sorta waiting to see

If he went down or not. Fury was bouncing all over the place it was difficult to say where he’d be.

Just on the excuses I accept your point. He did acknowledge that he was hurt. Various stages he was outlanding Usyk or it was very narrow so to think he was at least close isn’t that outrageous. John blowing smoke up his ass was no help either. When the cards were so close he wants to justify the rematch too so I’ll allow that one. He didn’t rant and rave like joshua. On joshua, does he now beat fury? I’d near count that 50-50

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158884#Comment_122158884

No issue with him saying he thought he won. But to then add that Usyk only won due to a sympathy verdict was crass. And a real lame excuse.

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158900#Comment_122158900

yea I agree that was pathetic and not dissimilar to ajs nonsense. I’m not sure Fury can improve much on that at this stage. His number looks to be up

Sunny Disposition

A very good fight, that Fury contributed a lot to, to be fair.

He’s a pretty dislikeable character, and people are glad to see him beaten, but he did play his part.

I think it’s hard to see Fury win the rematch. Usyk is superb, and Fury did bring his A game, but couldn’t match the Ukrainian. It’s hard to think Fury has much scope for improvement.

The referee really should have stopped it, he has been praised for allowing it to continue, but for me that was a touch reckless.

Fury is getting criticised for his post fight comments about the war, but it’s unfair to expect much from a fighter at such a moment.

yourdeadwright

Rewatcehd the fight last night,
Was a very good fight & still think it was a 1 round fight, Both guys showed there strengths are there weakness,

Fury had Usyk bamboozled for 3 or 4 rounds on the bounce, he really had him all over the shop,

Usyk bounced back brilliantly &

You know what as brilliant as both guys are technically, the difference was cardio, Fury tired & got lazy stepped square on & the fight changed,

I always think around 7 to 9/10 is where fitness shows , The last 2 both fighters are knackered & you get through it knowing how close the end is,

I really think Lifestyle was the big difference ,it sounds like something small but its huge because its what your doing outside of the ring & outside of training for your entire life its the hardest part, As Fury tired Usyk could go to the well one more time,

Fantastic fight

In a strange way both men are very close to the end ,

What else has Usyk got to fight for & who else ?