How many concerts should be allowed in Croke Park every year?

wonderwall900

I was in Dublin city centre earlier and the atmosphere was incredible. A big mix of people from all over, both nationally and abroad. This aside, the amount of money it generates into the country must be in the millions, if not tens of millions of euros.

Obviously the residents around Croke Park wouldn't welcome more than 3 concerts a year, but they are a tiny minority of the entire city that benefits financially from these gigs.

Why not have 10 gigs a year there? How does Dublin's main concert stadium and it's concert allowances compare to that of say London and Wembley? Or Cardiff and the Millennium Stadium?

Shouldn't the population around Croke Park simply look at the big picture?

RocketRaccoon

10 nights of u2 and garth brooks? If I was a local I'd give my house away for free rather than be subjected to that.

jpm4

If you lived nearby would you look at the big picture? It's not just concerts, match days can be a headache also.

wonderwall900

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

10 nights of u2 and garth brooks? If I was a local I'd give my house away for free rather than be subjected to that.

No not of the same artist. But U2 could've sold out maybe 5 or 6 nights in a row. They're Irish and the most successful band in the world so why not let them do a few nights?

All My Stars Aligned

It's not Dublin's main concert stadium, it's a GAA ground.

I live in Drumcondra and would be happy with zero concerts.

The GAA hardly are short of a few bob.

wonderwall900

jpm4 wrote: »

If you lived nearby would you look at the big picture? It's not just concerts, match days can be a headache also.

Do the residents near Wembley and the Millennium stadiums have as much say in what goes on in these venues? I doubt it somehow.

wonderwall900

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

It's not Dublin's main concert stadium, it's a GAA ground.

And Wembley is primarily a football stadium. It doesn't stop it from being used for concerts though.

the_pen_turner

I don't think stadiums like this should hold any concerts. They impact the area too much
There should be purpose built set up built out on the outskirts of the cities or one off in towns around the country

theteal

wonderwall900 wrote: »

Do the residents near Wembley and the Millennium stadiums have as much say in what goes on in these venues? I doubt it somehow.

There are no little narrow residential streets leading up to Wembley, it's quite isolated but for retail parks and hotels, no clue about the Cardiff.

Croker is crap for gigs so I would probably say 0

jpm4

wonderwall900 wrote: »

Do the residents near Wembley and the Millennium stadiums have as much say in what goes on in these venues? I doubt it somehow.

Dunno why don't you find out? I have zero say on what goes on in croke park that I know of, but am still close enough that for a major event all the parking on my street will be taken.

All My Stars Aligned

wonderwall900 wrote: »

And Wembley is primarily a football stadium. It doesn't stop it from being used for concerts though.

CP holds far more matches then Wembley and so locals already have enough to put up with.

Not looking forward to listening to the overspill of U2's ****e music for the evening!

RocketRaccoon

How many matches do the locals already have to put up with every year? 20+? And now throw 10 gigs in too? That is disruption on average of every 10ish days.

Gatling

Not enough for an amazing venue it's under utilised for the most part ,

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

Skylinehead

Gatling wrote: »

Not enough for an amazing venue it's under utilised for the most part ,

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

You're assuming that the people bought the houses after Croke Park starting being used as a music venue, yes?

All My Stars Aligned

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

How many matches do the locals already have to put up with every year? 20+? And now throw 10 gigs in too? That is disruption on average of every 10ish days.

25 matches.

Hector Bellend

wonderwall900 wrote: »

Do the residents near Wembley and the Millennium stadiums have as much say in what goes on in these venues? I doubt it somehow.

There are no residents near wembley. Or the millennium.

Certainly not the same way as Croke Park

titan18

Tbf Croke Park is used far more than Wembley for matches from what I can see

Hector Bellend

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf Croke Park is used far more than Wembley for matches from what I can see

Its not really.

Spurs will play all their home game there next season.

Then you have england internationals. Cup finals and Play off finals.

I'd say its used quite a bit for matches.

Gatling

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf Croke Park is used far more than Wembley for matches from what I can see

Around 30 times per year give or take but most of the time the majority of games have small attendances compared to all Ireland finals

pauliebdub

There's been concerts and games in Croke park for decades, the residents would have known this before moving to the area so why kick up a stink about a venue going about it's business when they could have decided to live somewhere else to begin with.

Hector Bellend

Gatling wrote: »

Around 30 times per year give or take but most of the time the majority of games have small attendances compared to all Ireland finals

Indeed most league games will have less than 30,000.

So will most leinster games and Club\Junior\Games

All My Stars Aligned

Gatling wrote: »

Not enough for an amazing venue it's under utilised for the most part ,

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

Our house has been in our family long before concerts were held in CP

Gatling

Skylinehead wrote: »

You're assuming that the people bought the houses after Croke Park starting being used as a music venue, yes?

No no im just saying ,
I seen it recently where a group of people living close to Baldonnell are trying to get flights restricted out of it , despite it having few daily flights coming and going .

Croke Park could be likely be solved if payments were handed out imo

Skylinehead

Gatling wrote: »

No no im just saying ,
I seen it recently where a group of people living close to Baldonnell are trying to get flights restricted out of it , despite it having few daily flights coming and going .

Croke Park could be likely be solved if payments were handed out imo

Not everything is about cash.

wonderwall900

How many houses around the area are affected? 20 thousand maybe?

Why not offer them 2k a year per house to stop them moaning so much. 400,000 euros a year is nothing when you consider the money made by the venue.

Duvetdays

wonderwall900 wrote: »

How many houses around the area are affected? 20 thousand maybe?

Why not offer them 2k a year per house to stop them moaning so much. 400,000 euros a year is nothing when you consider the money made by the venue.

You might want to redo the maths!

Jesus Wept

whingey whingey residents

titan18

Hector Bellend wrote:

Spurs will play all their home game there next season.

Tbf, the Spurs thing is like for one year, its not usual for Wembley to have games every week. Spurs next year probably double the usual usage. I'd say it less than 20 games outside that and spaced out too bar May.

wonderwall900

Duvetdays wrote: »

You might want to redo the maths!

You're right. It's a mere 40 thousand euros. That's absolutely nothing to the GAA.

So why dont they look at the big picture and offer payouts like this? Happier locals mean more gigs which means even more millions in their bank account.

wordofwarning

Gatling wrote: »

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

First of all, building around the airport is heavily restricted. There is very little housing around the airport due to the airport and because it is seen as excellent farming land.

Secondly you are buying a house knowing that it is an airport.

Very few of the resident knew that the GAA were going to be having concerts left, right and centre. IMO I would rather live beside the airport than Croke Park. At least you can sound proof the planes. You are not dealing with people getting sick in your front garden and not being able to drive down your own street several times a year.

If more concerts are to be permitted, the GAA should be forced to give a decent amount of the revenue to the local area. Some of it is the poorest in Ireland. The GAA subject the residents to serious anti-social behaviour, road closures and noise pollution. They need to give back more to the community

corner of hells

wordofwarning wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

First of all, building around the airport is heavily restricted. There is very little housing around the airport due to the airport and because it is seen as excellent farming land.

Secondly you are buying a house knowing that it is an airport.

Very few of the resident knew that the GAA were going to be having concerts left, right and centre. IMO I would rather live beside the airport than Croke Park. At least you can sound proof the planes. You are not dealing with people getting sick in your front garden and not being able to drive down your own street several times a year.

If more concerts are to be permitted, the GAA should be forced to give a decent amount of the revenue to the local area. Some of it is the poorest in Ireland. The GAA subject the residents to serious anti-social behaviour, road closures and noise pollution. They need to give back more to the community

I worked as a contractor for the GAA
and a lot of employment was primarily around the time of concerts which at the time were limited to four a year.
I actually got to know some of the residents in the area who admitted that they loved the razzmatazz of a big concert as well as the prepping , soundchecks etc over the few days before the concert.

I've remained friends with some of them and thier opinions have never really changed particularly if theyre originally from the area.

I don't think you could by any stretch of the imagination say that there's serious anti social behaviours, certainly is road closures though as far I remember if you're a resident you get a pass .

mikemac2

In the past the GAA gave the resident ticket allocation directly to the eleven residents committees around the area, yes eleven

Of course what happened was the chairman got allocations for the family and most residents got zero

That ended about ten years ago or so. Now you register with Croke Park. There is residents presale of 600 tickets on ticketmaster for concerts and when the FAI had soccer games you might win in a draw and call up to reception to collect

Much much better system. A lot of whinging you hear are the old committee heads no doubt bitter their handouts were taken off them

When floodlights were being installed a committee head brought up human rights and freedom of movement FFS

The catering contractors hold open evenings if locals are interested in match day jobs. There isn't a quota for "locals only", it's just encouragement

wonderwall900

mikemac2 wrote: »

In the past the GAA gave the resident ticket allocation directly to the eleven residents committees around the area, yes eleven

Ah. Now I'm seeing clearer why this situation is such a mess.

11 committees! That's so Irish and I don't mean that as a compliment.

Mooooo

wonderwall900 wrote: »

You're right. It's a mere 40 thousand euros. That's absolutely nothing to the GAA.

So why dont they look at the big picture and offer payouts like this? Happier locals mean more gigs which means even more millions in their bank account.

2k for 20 thousand houses is 40 million......

wonderwall900

Mooooo wrote: »

2k for 20 thousand houses is 40 million......

Oh dear. It's been a long week. I knew 40k sounded too good to be true.

Omackeral

The order of the options in the poll really is bugging me far more than it should.

Move, or maybe send some of the Gigs down in Cork since the Pairc is done up

osarusan

I voted None just to annoy people on here.

JupiterKid

Yes, Croke Park is an ideal venue for big gigs but added to all the GAA events, I think the locals put up with enough noise and disruption. I can fully understand their gripes.

In a city you will have events and residents that clash and it's all about reaching compromise. Less so in a more remote rural location.

I live beside the Phoenix park and there is a concert or 2 there every year which I can fullyl hear but it doesn't really bother me. But I do get that "left out" feeling - like a child in their room at night listening to the adults having a dinner party downstairs.

Mind you, if it was Garth Brooks I was subjected to, it would be headphones or earplugs all the way for me rather than listen to that sh*te!

Stephen15

It's riddiculous building stadiums in residental areas they should be built outside the M50. Have huge carparks out there and run shuttle buses on match/concert days. Thats how it's in most of Europe.

RayM

Gatling wrote: »

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

It reminds me more of people who buy a house close to a sports stadium and then complain about the noise of Bono.

John_Rambo

Gatling wrote: »

Always reminds me of people who buy a house close to a airport/airbase then complain about the noise of aircraft flying over head

But they don't.

Who told you that, or who reminded you of that?

Nobody buys a house near an airport and then complains about aircraft.

Nobody buys a house near an airbase and then complains about aircraft.

Nobody buys a house near an trainline and then complains about trains.

They might complain about multiple concerts held in the airport that disrupts their lives.

As a GAA supporter its important to recognise that Croker is first and foremost a playing field.
I dont mind one big concert there a year but it shouldnt be mid championship. Up to June wouldn't be too bad but July, August or Sept should be a no-go. If its a case where concerts are being held a week prior to an after a game it runs the risk of a poor surface and player injury.

Nabber

I live next to the aviva stadium, so I can relate to the a Croke park issue.

My neighbour a few doors down has an unfortunately place telephone pole next to her side gate. It provides a place for people to empty their bladder. Which then runs down into her garden. It got so bad aviva had to post a steward there for any events.

The road is closed off 1 hour before and one hour after. Most residents have to plan their day around the event, no birthday parties ect.. on a match/event day.

It's easy to think of the bigger picture. But often the issue is poor planning. DUB is not set up to support big gigs. Large stadiums should be built on the motorways with large parking facilities and public transport set up for match day or events.

Mr.H

Croke Park existed ling before any of bits residents. You move into a house close by then you know what to expect. No sympathy

Ann_Landers

You expect compromise which is what has happened thankfully.

spurious

Mr.H wrote: »

Croke Park existed ling before any of bits residents. You move into a house close by then you know what to expect. No sympathy

You presume come redevelopment the GAA boys would have had the wit to sell the land and build a purpose built stadium out the M7 or M4 somewhere.

There are residents over a mile away impacted every second weekend in the summer. It's a PITA.

thesultan

Croke park is a bigger pitch so more people can stand in comparison to soccer stadiums

Mr.H

Ann_Landers wrote:

You expect compromise which is what has happened thankfully.

You'd expect more compromise and less bending over for them.

Compromise is not what is happening. They have no choice but to allow up to three gigs so what compromise is there?

If I move until house on las Vegas I know to expect a party atmosphere. U can't say it's only allowed 3 times a year.

Croke is a stadium that hosts big events and should not be dictated by some residents who want to make a few quid in protest

Mr.H

spurious wrote:

There are residents over a mile away impacted every second weekend in the summer. It's a PITA.

You could go along that same line with an excuse it impacts everyone in Dublin due to traffic. Bull excuse. It impacts only people living on the streets adjoining. I live in close proximity to thomond park in terms of human traffic during games events etc but I don't claim it affects me even though technically it blocks my street before and after said event.

Too many wanna be victims for my liking

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I lived right next to Croke Park and I didn't really see the big hullabaloo. I think some in the area are just bored and this gives them something to do.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Nobody buys a house near an airport and then complains about aircraft.

Nobody buys a house near an airbase and then complains about aircraft.

Nobody buys a house near an trainline and then complains about trains.

How are you so sure of this?