how important is a good putter

seamie78

In the process of upgrading my starter set, working on selecting a driver at the minute with a local Pro. Would the next stage be irons or a putter, does a good putter take shots off your game

luvthegame

seamie78 wrote: »

In the process of upgrading my starter set, working on selecting a driver at the minute with a local Pro. Would the next stage be irons or a putter, does a good putter take shots off your game

IMO weight, length & lie, offset, insert point (heel or center) are very important to get right. The putter doesn't have to cost a lot. Take a few days and practice with every style you can find. Rule out what u definitely don't like and go again.

Improving your putting with practice and finding a well matched putter is the no 1 way to shave strokes.

FixdePitchmark

The increase in price in putter is almost as big a scam as drivers at this point. Your talking up to 300 quid - mad stuff.

Get a 2nd / 3rd season Odyssey/Ping or any main brand - or 2nd hand for near 100 to 120.

There is no - I mean no difference in material , quality , design, technology etc. But , yes at 100 quid - you are getting a very good quality product. Typically with a decent grip (strokesaver or whatever) , good balance , and some aspects of modern face technology. I know controversial - but I do actually have some faith in roll technology as from a physics perspective the point of contact makes sense to me.

On the question - Irons , irons are the most important tool in your bag. And as you are moving from starter to real clubs - this is a very important and your biggest purchase . People go on and on about putting , but it is a nonsense if you can't hit greens. It makes you happy at the end of a hole to hole a putt - but not much good if for a 7 or 8.

Again - I wouldn't rule out a set on sale from 1 or 2 years ago. The technology changes in irons - are little to none in last 10 years - a bit around slot technology and some work with non steel components, but the modern Game Improvement Irons (GI irons) - is a wonderful brilliant product and makes the game a joy during that going from say 21 down to 12 handicap. There is another days work when you get to say 12.

Work out - with pro if new grips (size) are needed and what iron shaft would be best for you - for 90% of player it is R300 - but if you have a high swing speed there are other options.

So - sorry banged on a bit

Out of season putter 120 euro (this is a new , top product)
Second hand top brand GI irons - 200 to 250 . New 500 to 700. You could check for a few season old ones.

Anyway - always try out first then buy , or try out and buy 2nd hand.

Enjoy and give everything time - was at least 2 months before I felt comfortable after changing and 1000s of balls.

seamie78

over nine holes my putting generally comes out at 25 shots, lots of par putts turning to double bogeys most certainly an area I can make inroads into.

Donal55

Bad at driving but good at chipping and putting. Putting is all about finding a good stroke, practice and confidence does the rest.

RoadRunner

There's good deals on Nike putters out there since they've left the game.

FixdePitchmark

seamie78 wrote: »

over nine holes my putting generally comes out at 25 shots, lots of par putts turning to double bogeys most certainly an area I can make inroads into.

25 putts -over 9 there is something more going on .

A new putter will give you confidence and feel - but more importantly a desire to practice.

If you are putting that many times in 9 , you are not practising at all ?

I'd say get a putting mat when you buy that putter. and now that it is summer get down to putting green for an hour at least a week.

To get anywhere with putting - you need to be practising > 2 hours a week. But I know this is unrealistic .

Doing it at home is more an option for most. If it stays bad you go to a pro an he gives you the basics and gives you drills on pace.

Yes, 25 is very very bad - but a new putter is not the answer. But there are physiological aspects to getting a new putter -it actually focus you on putting.

seamie78

thanks fixeddepitchmark, lots of good advise , currently looking with my pro into what will be most suitable shafts my starter kit is graphite so looking into stiffer shafts.

I was advised to go last seasons or the seasons before with irons as you suggest and likewise with driver.

I hadn't considered a putter at all until yesterday evening I was talking to a chap who has been playing 3-4 years and he still uses his starter set with the only upgrade being a putter a Cpl of years ago.

seamie78

yeah definitely need to practice more, and totally agree will need to get a putting mat. I have good intentions when up at the club to practice but I always end up going straight out playing holes. I need to be more disciplined

FixdePitchmark

seamie78 wrote: »

thanks fixeddepitchmark, lots of good advise , currently looking with my pro into what will be most suitable shafts my starter kit is graphite so looking into stiffer shafts.

I was advised to go last seasons or the seasons before with irons as you suggest and likewise with driver.

I hadn't considered a putter at all until yesterday evening I was talking to a chap who has been playing 3-4 years and he still uses his starter set with the only upgrade being a putter a Cpl of years ago.

Do you practice putting.

A new putter after testing at location you can (Typically range) is always a boost - but you have to be honest too about golf .

If you don't practice your putting - a Scotty Cameron wont change anything. Except guilt at the stupidity and your bank balance.

seamie78

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Do you practice putting.

A new putter after testing at location you can (Typically range) is always a boost - but you have to be honest too about golf .

If you don't practice your putting - a Scotty Cameron wont change anything. Except guilt at the stupidity and your bank balance.

its the one area I completely neglect when practicing, something I will clearly have to change

FixdePitchmark

seamie78 wrote: »

yeah definitely need to practice more, and totally agree will need to get a putting mat. I have good intentions when up at the club to practice but I always end up going straight out playing holes. I need to be more disciplined

Yes this is the key and a failure I have.

But improving in golf is working on the things you don't like to do.

The bizarre twist in that logic - is that when you take on the things you don't like you start to like them.

Way too many golfers - near and far from here. Think a trip to McGuirks or Halpenny constitutes a game improvement plan

The truth about most of them shops are they are terrible facilities, a good secret to golf - is you have to learn how to buy equipment properly. You should only ever enter a golf shop to buy accessories. And we probably should only do this online anyway.

Imagine buying a putter for 300 euro - based on hitting a putt on a mat in a shop - jaysus we are stupid (golfers)

Donal55

seamie78 wrote: »

thanks fixeddepitchmark, lots of good advise , currently looking with my pro into what will be most suitable shafts my starter kit is graphite so looking into stiffer shafts.

I was advised to go last seasons or the seasons before with irons as you suggest and likewise with driver.

I hadn't considered a putter at all until yesterday evening I was talking to a chap who has been playing 3-4 years and he still uses his starter set with the only upgrade being a putter a Cpl of years ago.

A drill I use is to bring just 3 clubs up to the course, a 7 iron a wedge and a putter. I then practice on one of the greens on the course off the main track and just vary the different chips be they with balls nearer the green or balls running up to the hole from further away with the 7 iron.

I then make sure to finish out by putting the ball into the hole. It gives you a sense of competition to try and get up and down from each individual chip.

Unless the course is particularly busy I try to steer clear from the putting green as its too close to distractions and cut is definitely different from the normal greens.

I prefer to do a good 45/60 minutes of above roughly 3/4 times a week on my own rather than going up and spending maybe a few hours once a week.If I brought up the full set I'd end up golfing!

FixdePitchmark

Donal55 wrote: »

A drill I use is to bring just 3 clubs up to the course, a 7 iron a wedge and a putter. I then practice on one of the greens on the course off the main track and just vary the different chips be they with balls nearer the green or balls running up to the hole from further away with the 7 iron.

I then make sure to finish out by putting the ball into the hole. It gives you a sense of competition to try and get up and down from each individual chip.

Unless the course is particularly busy I try to steer clear from the putting green as its too close to distractions and cut is definitely different from the normal greens.

I prefer to do a good 45/60 minutes of above roughly 3/4 times a week on my own rather than going up and spending maybe a few hours once a week.If I brought up the full set I'd end up golfing!

All good advice - but if he is taking 25 putts , assuming putting green is reasonable - he would be better off going up just with the putter to putting green.

There is so many games you can play on a putting green that make it a competition against yourself.

Play the 9 holes in 18 putts - that is a 14 stroke improvement on his current on course rate.

You will see over the weeks - how your Personal Best improves.

fred funk }{

Practice practice practice. There's no magic fix with clubs or equipment. Putting is about feel and touch. Practice distance control first and when you get good at that you'll only leave tap ins when you do miss the first one.

FixdePitchmark

And when starting off you are not enjoying this putting green stuff - that is when you are doing the right thing.

When you enjoy it too much - your irons will fall apart , your driver

Wash and repeat

FixdePitchmark

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Practice practice practice. There's no magic fix with clubs or equipment. Putting is about feel and touch. Practice distance control first and when you get good at that you'll only leave tap ins when you do miss the first one.

I agree with concept of above.

But a starter set - can be pure muck, bad materials , slightly off line, poorly balanced, wrong shafts, wrong bounce, lofts, terrible offset, poor lie angles, terrible grips.

There are minimum entry requirements before we apply the "practice, practice, practice" cliche.

fred funk }{

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I agree with concept of above.

But a starter set - can be pure muck, bad materials , slightly off line, poorly balanced, wrong shafts, wrong bounce, lofts, terrible offset, poor lie angles, terrible grips.

There are minimum entry requirements before we apply the "practice, practice, practice" cliche.

I tend to agree with you but you can putt with any of yoke once you get used to it. I would suggest the OP sorts out his putting and getting to a reasonable-ish standard before investing in a new putter.

There's massive potential for quick improvement if he's currently taking 25 putts over 9 holes.

seamie78

so many aspects to a game a golf it can be cruel but have to say despite the frustrations im absolutely loving it, just ordered a putting mat there so at least that's a start with the practice and will certainly try much harder to spend maybe 30 mins on the putting green before I go out and play

Henry Ford III

A good putter is important (not necessarily an expensive one just one that suits). A good putting stroke and feel is invaluable however.

bustercherry

Donal55 wrote: »

A drill I use is to bring just 3 clubs up to the course, a 7 iron a wedge and a putter. I then practice on one of the greens on the course off the main track and just vary the different chips be they with balls nearer the green or balls running up to the hole from further away with the 7 iron.

I then make sure to finish out by putting the ball into the hole. It gives you a sense of competition to try and get up and down from each individual chip.

Unless the course is particularly busy I try to steer clear from the putting green as its too close to distractions and cut is definitely different from the normal greens.

I prefer to do a good 45/60 minutes of above roughly 3/4 times a week on my own rather than going up and spending maybe a few hours once a week.If I brought up the full set I'd end up golfing!

OP do not practice on the course like this. It's a knobbish thing to do irrespective if it's busy or not.

On another note, unless you putter drastically is too long or short then you would benefit from more practice than a new putter. The caveat being, sometimes certain putter shapes suit peoples eyes better but you can find similar shapes to scottys etc... for much less money. Milled faces or face inserts will make no difference at your current level.

dan_ep82

Have a playing lesson with your pro and ask his advice, he knows your swing and won't, unless he's a terrible pro, give bad advice.

Play what you like the look and feel of thats within your budget whether it be PXG , Scotty Cameron or a dunlop set. Your paying to enjoy yourself and they are no rules on what clubs you should play no matter what most adverts will tell you.

For me a putter i LIKE is hugely important. Sure in a putting green i can putt well with most putters but when it counts i want something i like the feel and look of.

Most of all enjoy it, new clubs are always exciting

FixdePitchmark

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Have a playing lesson with your pro and ask his advice, he knows your swing and won't, unless he's a terrible pro, give bad advice.

Play what you like the look and feel of thats within your budget whether it be PXG , Scotty Cameron or a dunlop set. Your paying to enjoy yourself and they are no rules on what clubs you should play no matter what most adverts will tell you.

For me a putter i LIKE is hugely important. Sure in a putting green i can putt well with most putters but when it counts i want something i like the feel and look of.

Most of all enjoy it, new clubs are always exciting

I wouldn't agree with Dan on part of his post. There are irons below a certain level that a mid/high handicap players shouldn't be near.
Look should certainly not come into it .

But I know that is (imo)

CMOTDibbler

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with Dan on part of his post. There are irons below a certain level that a mid/high handicap players shouldn't be near.
Look should certainly not come into it .

But I know that is (imo)

Yeah. There's a reason for cavity backs and the like. High handicappers don't strike the ball as accurately as low.

But look is important. Not looking flashy or whatever, but how the club looks at address and how that helps your stroke.

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with Dan on part of his post. There are irons below a certain level that a mid/high handicap players shouldn't be near.
Look should certainly not come into it .

But I know that is (imo)

Its alright Fix, I knew you wouldn't haha

Alot of golfers feel they need to hit a certain level to be allowed to play certain irons, I just need to be able to afford them. Its my hobby not career and I get out rare enough I just play what I enjoy.

Anyway, thats best for another thread.

FixdePitchmark

What clubs you playing at the moment dan ?

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

What clubs you playing at the moment dan ?

815 Big Bertha
712 AP2
Cleveland RTX3 54/60
Odyssey Works Versa 7
I have a 5w/3w Anser but they don't see much use. Robbed the brothers T-MB 2i for the last few games and love it

Macker1

dan_ep82 wrote:

Alot of golfers feel they need to hit a certain level to be allowed to play certain irons, I just need to be able to afford them. Its my hobby not career and I get out rare enough I just play what I enjoy.

Fair enough in that Golf is a hobby but it's a hard enough game to play without giving yourself the help that appropriately matched equipment delivers to a golfers level. I often see high handicappers playing with clubs/balls not suited to their game / level. Surely it a no brainer to use the right clubs / balls in order to assist a player in improving their game and lowering their Hcap.

morrga

seamie78 wrote: »

In the process of upgrading my starter set, working on selecting a driver at the minute with a local Pro. Would the next stage be irons or a putter, does a good putter take shots off your game

The most shots in golf are gained/lost from 6 feet in. Improve putting and it's the easiest way to lose shots. Simple.

FixdePitchmark

dan_ep82 wrote: »

815 Big Bertha
712 AP2
Cleveland RTX3 54/60
Odyssey Works Versa 7
I have a 5w/3w Anser but they don't see much use. Robbed the brothers T-MB 2i for the last few games and love it

It is a savage set Dan.

I know you have your heart set - and it is your idea on the game.

But you are making this game so much harder for yourself with ap2 and a 60 degree wedge and I'll be honest shocked with your 2 iron. If you can hit a 2 iron as well as you say you should be off 9 or less.

Do play a prov 1 too ?

AP2 are not outrageous anyway, but I think they are for lads from say 12 down ?

Anyway - each to their own - not like you are hitting blades or something mad.
Even if you probably believe you should.

Bustercherries post way OTT,

dan_ep82

Macker1 wrote: »

Fair enough in that Golf is a hobby but it's a hard enough game to play without giving yourself the help that appropriately matched equipment delivers to a golfers level. I often see high handicappers playing with clubs/balls not suited to their game / level. Surely it a no brainer to use the right clubs / balls in order to assist a player in improving their game and lowering their Hcap.

Whats the right club and ball for me?

Do you really think if I change golf ball I'll hit more greens and hole more putts?

Everybody gets hung up on what ball you use vs cost. I can afford it so I play it.

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It is a savage set Dan.

I know you have your heart set - and it is your idea on the game.

But you are making this game so much harder for yourself with ap2 and a 60 degree wedge and I'll be honest shocked with your 2 iron. If you can hit a 2 iron as well as you say you should be off 9 or less.

Do play a prov 1 too ?

AP2 are not outrageous anyway, but I think they are for lads from say 12 down ?

Anyway - each to their own - not like you are hitting blades or something mad.
Even if you probably belief you should.

Bustercherries post way OTT,

Honestly I hit the 2i well some days and terrible others, but my bad shot is still in play even if its only 160yds down the fairway compared to my driver which has a much higher % of going into deeper troube on tighter holes.

I'm good with the 60°. I'm a **** golfer but its generally the strongest part of my game.

Nice dig about the ball, again not sure what that has to do with my scores.

I like the AP2's. I've had it said to me before on here and mid round so I asked pat (my pro) and he told me I hit them well and not to change

bustercherry

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Whats the right club and ball for me?

Do you really think if I change golf ball I'll hit more greens and hole more putts?

Everybody gets hung up on what ball you use vs cost. I can afford it so I play

You tell us? Seems you know what ball works for you http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102441537&postcount=13

Seems like your contradicting yourself tbf. Play what you want but nobody cares about cost, rather than the ludicrous justifications.

bustercherry

luvthegame wrote: »

Golf is for everyone, no need to insult people cos ur a know it all.

Where did I say stop playing golf?

Play away and enjoy; but misinformed opinions on the effect of equipment can and should be called out. It is a discussion forum after all.

bustercherry

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Surely you believe confidence is a big part of golf? If a club gives the player confidence how can it not effect eh outcome? None of us are robots and all kinds of mental pressure's can effect our swings. If you believe you can hit every club the same you must be a robot or don't play golf at all.

The external outcome (or what you believe is) from a shot gives you confidence; then ultimately scores. It's irrational to associate confidence with equipment when the external results prove otherwise.

FixdePitchmark

Too many harsh posts.

But I think it is impossible for a high handicap player/beginner to justify playing a brand new prov1 - they are way too expensive and , technically there is a way better ball out there for them from a compression and spin perspective. It is 55 euro a box. No way I would pay that , it is more logic as opposed to money. If you are off say 18 - you are going to loose 2 to 3 balls a round , seriously. That is near your sub if playing 2 times a week. Ok that is money , but fair enough, if a daft ceo in Ireland on holidays and buying them at the counter with no option.

Ok if you are getting lake balls 2nd hand or a lad on the road who has a PADI cert.

dan - I don't want to have a dig at you , but I just think you are making the game way too hard for yourself.

Hitting a 2 iron , when most tour players are using hybrids is hard work.

Fair play , you seem to have a great love for equipment , but I'd say if you stuck with GI irons in the mid handicap range, you would take 5 strokes off your handicap imo.

Also - using a 60 degree instead of say a chip and run - is very unusal , so have to take your word you are good at it. It actualy pains me when I see a lad off a high handicap take out a 60 - with nothing in his way to flag. I'd love to pull it off him throw into lake and hand him a putter.

Again - that is what a forum is about.

But you seem not for turning.

Brand new prov 1s are lads at 2 or 3 handicap and less. Anything above that is delusional (IMO)

dan_ep82

bustercherry wrote: »

The external outcome (or what you believe is) from a shot gives you confidence; then ultimately scores. It's irrational to associate confidence with equipment when the external results prove otherwise.

Bear with me its late and I was up early,

So your saying no, equipment does not effect outcome based on looks, or at least it shouldn't?

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Too many harsh posts.

But I think it is impossible for a high handicap player/beginner to justify playing a brand new prov1 - they are way too expensive and , technically there is a way better ball out there for them from a compression and spin perspective. It is 55 euro a box. No way I would pay that , it is more logic as opposed to money. If you are off say 18 - you are going to loose 2 to 3 balls a round , seriously. That is near your sub if playing 2 times a week. Ok that is money , but fair enough, if a daft ceo in Ireland on holidays and buying them at the counter with no option.

Ok if you are getting lake balls 2nd hand or a lad on the road who has a PADI cert.

dan - I don't want to have a dig at you , but I just think you are making the game way too hard for yourself.

Hitting a 2 iron , when most tour players are using hybrids is hard work.

Fair play , you seem to have a great love for equipment , but I'd say if you stuck with GI irons in the mid handicap range, you would take 5 strokes off your handicap imo.

Also - using a 60 degree instead of say a chip and run - is very unusal , so have to take your word you are good at it. It actualy pains me when I see a lad off a high handicap take out a 60 - with nothing in his way to flag. I'd love to pull it off him throw into lake and hand him a putter.

Again - that is what a forum is about.

But you seem not for turning.

Brand new prov 1s are lads at 2 or 3 handicap and less. Anything above that is delusional (IMO)

I understand what your saying but thats not the point I was making, your bringing price back into it when I was asking if playing a cheaper ball will help anyone score better than a dear ball. It doesn't. So why do people get so hung up on what the other guys spends? He's hitting a ball, just leave it at that.

*I was buying second hand 100ProV's for €25 until recently when my contact won't answer the phone

I have a hybrid. I can hit it off the planet on a bad shot, iron is a low left. It makes sense to me to keep the ball in play. The T-MB is a driving iron aswell, its not a blade lads.

Bigger cavity backs are only proven to have a smaller gap distance on mis hits. Not left and right. I'll keep my stats from the next round and see when I miss a green if I'm short more than pin high.

If I play links or tight fairways I will nearly always bump something unless there is a bunker etc. I don't hit flop shots unless I absolutely have to,I'm not that guy giving it full swings from 30yds out.

You have an image in your head of what a 1, a 10 and an 18 handicappers bag should look like which is fair enough, that it annoys you when you see something different is what baffles me.

FixdePitchmark

Have you used the 100 already (joke man)


OK Dan.

What handicap are ap 1
And then ap 2 designed for.

?

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Have you used the 100 already (joke man)


OK Dan.

What handicap are ap 1
And then ap 2 designed for.

?

40-50 were good enough to play he rest were only good for practice and recently is stretching the word since it was late last year I think since I was talking to her

Well

AP1 is MARKETED at high handicap players. Generally 18 and up

AP2 from 18 down.

They were DESIGNED for anyone.

Marks out of 10

?

charlieIRL

Lads, any more personal insults and you will be taking a break from here, attack the post and not the poster.

charlieIRL

Going back on topic, I think being a good putter is better than having a good putter - look at Jim Furyk when he won the Fed Ex Cup, he paid a whopping $39 for the putter he used. Full story here.

benny79

Lads not 2 go off topic but my 2 cents..

Fix - I agree about prov's as regards new but I still think second hand ones are better and cheaper than new half decent balls. Any second hand premium ball is imo.

Regards Irons I have to disagree I played with game improvement irons starting out for years and never improved even with lessons and playing loads and they where a nice set of Mizunos.. I got no consistently out of them and got fitted in American Golf so half fitted so to speak..

2 years ago I got properly fitted for "better player" irons and have to say I got much more consistent. I didn't choose the irons they were the ones I was hitting the best or worked best for me (plus they are a lovely club) but I was trying all better player clubs. As during the fitting they didnt have game improvement irons as the fitting is marketed towards lads who are serious about their game etc. You obviously have the odd bad shot but you know its the swing that caused it and the club doesn't mask it like GI irons would do if you get me.

Regards putter most people say use what works and I agree but also think you should get properly fitted but not many places do this I dont know of any anyway. The Dublin putting lab is closed down. So all you can do is ask your Pro.

I have started to really improve this year more so than any other year as I am giving them a good run! I was improving when I got them first too. I could see it, hear it, as difference in contact, distance control etc just wasn't playing enough competitive golf for my HC to come down.. And then got injured so took most of last year out.

But imo I think I have wasted years of improvement using these so called game improvement irons! Just my 2 cents..

ShivasIrons

How important is a good putter?

A better phrase might be how important is the right putter? Different putters work differently for different golfers, otherwise every body would be using the same putter.

Different head shapes, alignment lines, hosels will change how somebody lines up a putter. The better your alignment the easier it will be to have a non compensating stroke and hole short putts better. Different weightings in the putter will change how the putter is swung both speed wise and tempo wise leading to different distance control.

So yes it's important, having the right putter in your hands will make a difference.

Most golfers try and find a putter through a trail and error process, which can take a while, for some it's an endless search. Most would be better off finding advice that will lead them in the right direction.

Avoid some of the cliched advice, most are just regurgitating something they heard and can't really explain why.

CMOTDibbler

benny79 wrote: »

Regards Irons I have to disagree I played with game improvement irons starting out for years and never improved even with lessons and playing loads and they where a nice set of Mizunos.. I got no consistently out of them and got fitted in American Golf so half fitted so to speak..

2 years ago I got properly fitted for "better player" irons and have got much more consistent. I didn't choose the irons they were the ones I was hitting the best or worked best for me (plus they are a lovely club) but I was trying all better player clubs. As during the fitting they didnt have game improvement irons as the fitting is marketed towards lads who are serious about their game etc. You obviously have the odd bad shot but you know its the the swing the caused it and the club does mask it like GI irons would do if you get me.

I think you're dismissing what you learned with the GI irons tbh. What I mean is that you certainly seem to know when it's a swing issue that causes a bad shot and you're more consistent. Also the fitting would have been more accurate because of what you've learned with the GIs. Imo, it's like you have the knowledge to work out why you have a bad shot with the player irons and that didn't come with those irons.

benny79 wrote: »

Regards putter most people say use what works and I agree but also think you should get properly fitted but not many places do this I dont know of any anyway. The Dublin putting lab is closed down. So all you can do is ask your Pro.

+1 on going to your club pro. Most of them will be very good at short game lessons. And it's a lot more convenient than heading off to some dedicated short game school that you may never visit again when your club pro is always there to help you freshen up.

FixdePitchmark

What clubs were the GI irons and then what did you change to benny.

benny79

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

What clubs were the GI irons and then what did you change to benny.

They were a mizuno set Fix can't remember the model, had a blue insert Y something maybe.. I just found and was told when I was getting fitted for my clubs now that game improvement clubs are designed to get the ball up in the air and straight as possible for the likes of lads who only play a couple of times a year.. but there was no consistently. The soles (bounce) on the irons where very fat even the 4/5 Iron.. especially compared to my new irons which are half the size! both cb's.

My new ones are taylormade tour preferred cb's and are truly a lovely club. I just think my distance control was much better practically over night with my new clubs "better player irons". Look it also could but a number of factors helping too. but as said just my 2 cents..

I'll show you them the next time you bring me for a round

FixdePitchmark

Benny . I looked them up .

They are game improvement irons with oversized larger heads .

They are "tour preferred" as they have the look of tour irons.

See can you see a player on tour with them.

There is MC and MB for lower players .

So you are on the right clubs

CMOTDibbler

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Benny . I looked them up .

They are game improvement irons with oversized larger heads .

They are "tour preferred" as they have the look of tour irons.

See can you see a player on tour with them.

There is MC and MB for lower players .

So you are on the right clubs

Yeah, they are very like the Speedblades I have and the R-Bladez that came before them.

Hard to know what Mizuno irons he's describing. Model letters never had a 'Y' in them afaik. Recent models were MP, MX and JPX. They go back as far as 2004. Before that there were a variety of 'named' and lettered models like the Pro Sure, Paragon, Axis and T-Zoid etc. and then there were T, TX and TPs.

benny79

My clubs now as in the Taylormade's dont have larger heads! the mizuno's had..
My irons are 3 years old now but there was a couple of lads on tour at the time when I bought them using them can't remember who now though as they change so often. But they were €850 at time of purchase, were as when I bought the mizunos new at the time to they were €350.. Both were the new models at the time. Obviously know one on tour was using the mizunos ..lol..

anyway I leave it at that as hi jacking the thread a bit..

But interesting discussion.

benny79

My game improvement irons were - Mizuno MX100's (looked up my adverts account )

My new irons which I was told are better player Irons are - Taylormade Tour preferred cb the heads are much smaller than the Mizuno set.

dan_ep82

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Yeah, they are very like the Speedblades I have and the R-Bladez that came before them.

CB's vs Speedblades

I hit both and the CB's are much smaller by the ball. They're muc closer to the Rocketblade Tours

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Benny . I looked them up .

They are game improvement irons with oversized larger heads .

They are "tour preferred" as they have the look of tour irons.

See can you see a player on tour with them.

There is MC and MB for lower players .

So you are on the right clubs

http://www.golfwrx.com/156283/rose-adds-taylormade-tour-preferred-to-his-bag/

Rose had them in his long irons a few years back.